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    First post but I've been lurking for months. I don't know how others feel about it but I live in the US and here, if you get caught soliciting a prostitute, you face imprisonment, fines and a criminal record that will haunt you for life. You'll also lose your wife (or gf), everything she takes in the divorce, your kids, and you'll be publicly humiliated and ostracized by friends and family! Men have killed themselves over this type of thing.

    I see going to escorts as being an extremely risky move. You really have to be willing to throw everything away, even when it's an escort you've seen before. LE use escorts as bait all the time or the escort herself can be part of a setup. It also doesn't help with all these "caught on tape" cop shows where these poor bastards get busted in front of the whole world! Even if LE only nabs 1 out of 100 meetings, I can't handle being that 1 guy. I have too much to lose.

    The recent explosion of extras girls (last 6-8 years) provides something for men that hasn't been widely available for centuries - a relatively risk free environment to pay for sex. At the very worst, if a man gets caught having sex in a sc, he gets thrown out. That's a far cry from the hell on earth that awaits him if he gets caught with an escort.

    $500 at the right sc gets you hours of fun, sex, dances and conversation with various women, enough drinks to get hammered, music, laughs with friends and a cab ride home! That's one sweet deal comapred to $100-$200 to risk all on an escort. Seeing an escort doesn't sound like a good time to me either. You have to nervously peek through the dirty blinds of some shit hole motel room, waiting for your escort to show, hoping it's not a setup and that the girl is even close to her description. Then sit there discussing the "donation," trying not to shit your pants and say too much in case LE is listening. The sex might suck too you spend the whole time freaking out over every sound you hear outside... is it a pimp or jealous bf coming to put a bullet through your head or the cops gearing up to bust the door down! No thanks.

    I know the "clean" dancers hate the extras girls and I understand why. It really is too bad prostitution isn't legalized here in the US. Extras girls would then have a place to legally conduct business and "clean" girls could air dance till the sun burns out.

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    Default Re: Do you prefer "extras girls" to escorts?

    We know all this in terms of risks and rewards. Your lecture doesn't add anything. You saved up a long time for this first post. A well written and entertaining TR would have been more impressive.

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    I agree, FBR.

    Nothing personal OP, but you're not telling us anything that we experienced club rats (male & female) don't already know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    We know all this in terms of risks and rewards. Your lecture doesn't add anything. You saved up a long time for this first post. A well written and entertaining TR would have been more impressive.

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    Why the threatened response? Did you see the question as the title? I asked a question, gave my opinion and was waiting to see how others felt. I'm flattered you think my opinions constitute a "lecture." Being that you're a moderator, can you just lock this thread. What's bad about you responding poorly like this is that now all other members will automatically respond in the same way - members generally jump to suck up to moderators. The thread is pointless now because nobody will answer my question or share their opinions. Nice job "moderating."

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    The thread is pointless now because nobody will answer my question or share their opinions.
    No, this thread is pointless because of your comical paranoia and utter ignorance of the real workings of the sex industry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    Why the threatened response? Did you see the question as the title? I asked a question, gave my opinion and was waiting to see how others felt. I'm flattered you think my opinions constitute a "lecture." Being that you're a moderator, can you just lock this thread. What's bad about you responding poorly like this is that now all other members will automatically respond in the same way - members generally jump to suck up to moderators. The thread is pointless now because nobody will answer my question or share their opinions. Nice job "moderating."
    Dude, this is ground well and recently covered. It is also a topic that will really do nothing more than generate the same back and forth responses from the same people that have argued both sides recently in other threads, including certain blues with strong opinions either way and dancers that hate this stuff.

    For all of these reasons I cannot take issue with the moderating on this one and, in fact, FBR is probably the lightest hand on this thing.

    Having said this, I sympathize with you more than most might because my first posts were done during drunken forays on here and were also rather "lecture like" in nature. If you step back and read through some of the threads more (which I did AFTER initially posting head first) I think you will see that there are some seasoned hounds on here and what you posted was a bit elementary.

    I don't know yet if you are a troll or not, but if not then you could probably add best by sharing some of your experiences in your regional clubs or by adding to an existing thread discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    First post but I've been lurking for months. I don't know how others feel about it but I live in the US and here, if you get caught soliciting a prostitute, you face imprisonment, fines and a criminal record that will haunt you for life. You'll also lose your wife (or gf), everything she takes in the divorce, your kids, and you'll be publicly humiliated and ostracized by friends and family! Men have killed themselves over this type of thing.
    Welcome to SCJ. However, if you have actually been lurking (and reading) here for months, you'll know this is a well-hashed over topic, and a bit of a melodramtic entrance, don't you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    I see going to escorts as being an extremely risky move. You really have to be willing to throw everything away, even when it's an escort you've seen before. LE use escorts as bait all the time or the escort herself can be part of a setup. It also doesn't help with all these "caught on tape" cop shows where these poor bastards get busted in front of the whole world! Even if LE only nabs 1 out of 100 meetings, I can't handle being that 1 guy. I have too much to lose.
    Here, you and I agree. This has been my contention for awhile. At least twice a year here in Phoenix, it seems as though one escort site or another is being busted, and the local newspaper's website will now publish--unedited--the entire "Johns" list, which has included that person's likes or dislikes. I understand it is for their own protection, but too many escorts ask too many waaaaaaay too personal questions for my comfort level. Back in the day in Los Angeles, if I wanted to fuck a hot porn star, I'd call up the "Silverlake" house, ask who was working (Holly Body, Dominique Simone, Veronica Brazil, etc.) come over, plop $250 on the dresser and we were off to the races. Then I'd get their personal number, and meet them at their pads. Easy peasy, Japanesy.

    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    The recent explosion of extras girls (last 6-8 years) provides something for men that hasn't been widely available for centuries - a relatively risk free environment to pay for sex. At the very worst, if a man gets caught having sex in a sc, he gets thrown out. That's a far cry from the hell on earth that awaits him if he gets caught with an escort.
    It ain't that recent. Ever since I walked into Spearmint Rhino in 1991, paid for a topless lap by a gorgeous black dancer, then sat in the booth with my hands by my side until the song started (true!), when the dancer then grabbed my hands and placed them firmly on her breasts, then proceeded to jack me through my pants, it was pretty clear the SC environment had changed from what it was to what it is. Hallelujah! (I've actually argued in other threads that the "golden age" of lapdances may have already peaked a number of years ago, that's how prevalent it's been.)

    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    $500 at the right sc gets you hours of fun, sex, dances and conversation with various women, enough drinks to get hammered, music, laughs with friends and a cab ride home! That's one sweet deal comapred to $100-$200 to risk all on an escort. Seeing an escort doesn't sound like a good time to me either. You have to nervously peek through the dirty blinds of some shit hole motel room, waiting for your escort to show, hoping it's not a setup and that the girl is even close to her description. Then sit there discussing the "donation," trying not to shit your pants and say too much in case LE is listening. The sex might suck too you spend the whole time freaking out over every sound you hear outside... is it a pimp or jealous bf coming to put a bullet through your head or the cops gearing up to bust the door down! No thanks.
    This where your arguments start to draw water. First off no one in their right mind would argue SCs are an effective use of your adult entertainment dollar. They are the worst value, and that's coming from someone who has spent 10s of thousands more than you in them, and been ripped apart by my friends on the private boards for doing so. I've done Tijuana, massage parlors, hostess clubs, escorts incall and outcall, private and agency connected, and all of them are far more cost-effective than strip clubs. It's an inarguable point, and remember--I STILL LOVE STRIP CLUBS.

    Also, for me $500 is often just getting started in a club (though not as much anymore). That said, where are you finding escorts for $200 outside of Craigslist/Backpage? Seriously, if your worldview is that a quality escort costs up to $200, no wonder you have such a low opinion of them. That's pretty much the equivalent of buying a crappy taco at Taco Bell and then saying you hate all Mexican food. OF COURSE you do!

    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    I know the "clean" dancers hate the extras girls and I understand why. It really is too bad prostitution isn't legalized here in the US. Extras girls would then have a place to legally conduct business and "clean" girls could air dance till the sun burns out.
    Prostitution is legal in Mexico, and the dancers there still don't do air dances. Same with Canada, and same with Australia, where many dancers on SW are/were based, and have complained about some dancers giving high contact laps there, too. Quite frankly, when you are working in an environment that is as sexually charged as a strip club, you cannot reasonably expect no sex to take place. Unless it's Orlando, and ask the dancers there how much they make.

    Oh, and as Sgt. Hulka once said, "Lighten up, Francis."

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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    First post but I've been lurking for months.
    You have? Where have you been reading? This topic has been done to death in several threads...

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    members generally jump to suck up to moderators.
    LMAO! Dude, FBR gets his balls busted around here pretty regularly and the female mods over in pink get into arguments and all-out wars as well. He wasn't "moderating" you, he was participating. Mods are allowed to do that you know...
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    Here is a link to another board that I follow:

    www.theotherboard.com

    It is dedicated to the proposition that the escort hobby is fun for all concerned, an excellent value, and quite safe once you know how to do it right. The reviews and discussion forums (plus some common sense) are the tools you need to do so. In my limited experience, it works. The girls are friendly, they use nice hotels, and they don't try to upsell their services because it might lead to a bad review.

    Check it out, OP, and if you decide there may be more to the escort scene than you knew, there's probably a similar board in your city. And if you ask a question on TOB, someone there will know about it and point you there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    No, this thread is pointless because of your comical paranoia and utter ignorance of the real workings of the sex industry.
    The title of my thread wasn't, "I'm an escort Guru. Read my awesome teachings NOW." I was looking for opinions and am more than open to changing my point of view based on other's experiences. You should have contributed instead of adding to the "pointless-ness."

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Dude, this is ground well and recently covered. It is also a topic that will really do nothing more than generate the same back and forth responses from the same people that have argued both sides recently in other threads, including certain blues with strong opinions either way and dancers that hate this stuff.

    I don't know yet if you are a troll or not, but if not then you could probably add best by sharing some of your experiences in your regional clubs or by adding to an existing thread discussion.
    I hear ya but I hadn't seen any threads where members stated if/why they prefer extras girls over escorts. I've seen a lot of clean vs extras girls stuff but nothing like this. I also see pinks constantly asking, "Why don't men just pay less for escorts." I know they read here and figured someone needed to offer up an opinion on it.

    No troll here. I've been hitting SC's for over 15 years. Ironicly, I figured a SC story would be a lame intro, because that's definitely "Well covered ground." I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here. You're right - I think I'll stick to just adding to threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chili Palmer View Post
    That said, where are you finding escorts for $200 outside of Craigslist/Backpage?
    I appreciate the thorough response. The $100-$200 fee I mentioned was the hourly rate I've seen on indie escort sites, ads in print, etc. I realize there's the $1k/hr flawless playboy bunny types that cater to elite "inner circles" but I was comparing to the "regular" escort experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    You have? Where have you been reading? This topic has been done to death in several threads...
    Can you read over my response to rick above and provide some links for "Do you prefer 'extras girls' to escorts?"

    This forum has been around for god knows how many years. I think EVERYTHING has been covered. By that logic, the forum should just be shut down and turned into a read only SC Wiki.

    Quote Originally Posted by majordon View Post
    Here is a link to another board that I follow:



    Check it out, OP, and if you decide there may be more to the escort scene than you knew, there's probably a similar board in your city. And if you ask a question on TOB, someone there will know about it and point you there.
    There we go! Good stuff on that site. That should get me passed my paranoia. Thanks for the link!

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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    I hear ya but I hadn't seen any threads where members stated if/why they prefer extras girls over escorts. I've seen a lot of clean vs extras girls stuff but nothing like this. I also see pinks constantly asking, "Why don't men just pay less for escorts." I know they read here and figured someone needed to offer up an opinion on it.

    No troll here. I've been hitting SC's for over 15 years. Ironicly, I figured a SC story would be a lame intro, because that's definitely "Well covered ground." I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here. You're right - I think I'll stick to just adding to threads.

    You may need to look a little harder. This has been discussed in several recent threads - none titled this way but that is what they ended up focusing on. I could tell you the preferences of virtually every other poster that posted in this thread so far, simply by virtue of what they posted in other threads on the topic.

    Having said this, welcome to SW. There are several threads floating around on ITC and OTC matters and any additional input on any topic is always welcome IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    Can you read over my response to rick above and provide some links for "Do you prefer 'extras girls' to escorts?"
    LOL, no I can't mark, it's not that simple and I'm not here to do your leg-work for you. You say you have been reading here for months so I don't see how you could have missed the ongoing debates all over this site between guys who prefer escorts, guys who prefer OTC sex from strippers and guys who like to get their freak on in the VIP room. Heck, some of the ladies chime in on these topics as well.

    Sorry, but It's not as simple as typing in a phrase that happens to be the title of your post and getting a list of responses. Still, our varying opinions on the topics of escorts, extras girls, ITC and OTC sex are all over this site. You could have posted your opinion in any number of current threads but you didn't. You didn't ask for opinions you simply chose to start your own topic with a five paragraph rant about the evils of escorts and the joys of VIP nookie. We simply contributed in the way we saw fit...

    Now, my thoughts on the topic...

    If escorts scare you then you shouldn't mess with them. I can tell you after years of seeing escorts that it is much safer than you make it out to be. If you've never done it I can certainly understand where your paranoia comes from. That being said, comparing sex with a beautiful woman in a nice hotel room with a king size bed and a shower (maybe even a jacuzzi) to a quickie romp in the VIP room between visits by the waitress, the bouncer and other dancers is really a joke and no kind of comparison at all in my book. Still, if that's what floats your boat in the risk vs. reward department then I say go for it and enjoy!
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    I hope no one minds me butting in with an honest question. I'm probably pretty ignorant on this because I work in a notoriously "clean" area for dancing. But what I'm wondering reading this is, is it really that much safer to get extras in the SC? Finding a dancer who will do OTC, that I can understand. But extras inside the club? For one thing, I know dancers in several places worry about the club being raided. I would think that one would especially not like to get caught giving/doing extras if there's a raid, or even just a routine walk through by vice, etc. For this reason I would assume it would be safer to just contact an escort with a good review record. Secondly, since it's fairly well known in the club who does extras, when and where they're going on, etc., I would think that if one is concerned about others finding out about your "hobby", you'd prefer someplace more private. But there must be part of this equation I'm not fully understanding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    I hope no one minds me butting in with an honest question. I'm probably pretty ignorant on this because I work in a notoriously "clean" area for dancing. But what I'm wondering reading this is, is it really that much safer to get extras in the SC? Finding a dancer who will do OTC, that I can understand. But extras inside the club? ... But there must be part of this equation I'm not fully understanding.
    Like everything else said in these pages, "Your mileage may vary." Extras ITC really depend on the club, the jurisdiction, the dancer, and the customer. Is that enough variables for you? The club and its enforcement of rules is probably the most important variable. I've rarely seen serious extras in Denver and Boulder, but dancer friends say they occur. Outside of Colorado? I have no doubt some of the stories I've read here!

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    ^^^ I'm not sure how that really answers my question as to why someone would feel it's "safer" (in regards to avoiding both legal trouble and keeping your hobby secret from the the people who know you) in the club, than they would going to an escort (with a positive reputation, as opposed to picking a random escort ad, which I can understand might be a cop).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    I hope no one minds me butting in with an honest question. I'm probably pretty ignorant on this because I work in a notoriously "clean" area for dancing. But what I'm wondering reading this is, is it really that much safer to get extras in the SC? Finding a dancer who will do OTC, that I can understand. But extras inside the club? For one thing, I know dancers in several places worry about the club being raided. I would think that one would especially not like to get caught giving/doing extras if there's a raid, or even just a routine walk through by vice, etc. For this reason I would assume it would be safer to just contact an escort with a good review record. Secondly, since it's fairly well known in the club who does extras, when and where they're going on, etc., I would think that if one is concerned about others finding out about your "hobby", you'd prefer someplace more private. But there must be part of this equation I'm not fully understanding.
    As one of the few SCJs who admits to regularly partaking in this behavior both inside and outside the club, I'll try to answer your question, Elvia.

    Inside a club, I am absolutely anonymous. I don't even carry my wallet or ID inside with me, just the cash I plan on spending. I personally could not care less if anyone in the club knows I am partaking of any extras: they are all either trying to do the same or doing the same as I, so it's no big deal to either the dancer or the customer (or the staff, in some cases).

    As for club raids, I guess they happen, but they don't really concern me. Let's do the math: if I've averaged 1 club vist per week for 20 years, that means I've had roughly 1,000 club trips. Know how many raids have happened? Zero. I can live with that probability, as well as the fact that in the harder core clubs in Southern California where I cut my teeth, I knew the codes that would be used if such a raid were to happen, and am confident that I could zip my pants up and take my mouth off of a body part in less than a couple seconds, more than enough time to be in "safe mode" before the cops swipe open the curtain, etc.

    Now, just to prove a point, I went to my local eros.com website for providers and clicked one at random. Her website requires the following information in order to book a visit:



    I screen all new friends for both my own safety and that of yours. I offer three options for verification, and you may pick which option is best for you. In addition, all new friends must show photo ID at the beginning of the session, and your name must match the name you made the appointment under. If you do not have any of the below, I unfortunately cannot see you at this time and cannot make any exceptions. I recommend signing up for a membership at www.date-check.com or www.preferred411.com. Once your membership is cleared with them, please contact me again to set up a meeting.
    1. Provider Reference
      Please provide me with the name, website, and email address of a provider you have seen in the past who is willing to give you a reference. I only accept references from independent providers who are established and reputable. I also accept references from select well-known agencies who are willing to provide them. If you have more than one reference, I would suggest listing several to expedite the process.
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      Date-Check, Preferred411, RoomService 2000 or TER Member with White List Entries. You only need proof of one of the following memberships:
      • Date-Check or Preferred411: Please send me your username
    That's a whole lotta work just to get my nut, as opposed to driving to my local club, dancing with 6-10 gals and knowing which ones will/can finish me off. Plus, the whole "provider reference" thing really just irks the fuck out of me. I mean, I'm supposed to call a provider and say, "Hey, I want to fuck someone else for cash instead of you. Can you please say I'm a nice guy?" Seriously?

    That's why, for me, with the exception of a female bodybuilder/escort (who didn't make me jump through hoops), I haven't seen an escort in at least 4-5 years. I'm not sure I could count the number of dancers I've seen privately though (and you SW ladies know who you are ).

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    I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here.
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    Can I siggy this?
    Sure thing Seriously though, with a forum where you hear about everything from "breast milk on stage" to "guys buying dancer urine," stories about any extras I've gotten over the years are a yawn fest in comparison.

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    I would think that if one is concerned about others finding out about your "hobby", you'd prefer someplace more private. But there must be part of this equation I'm not fully understanding.
    Many good points in your post Elvia. A lot does depend on geography. Some areas are much more prone to raids than others. Some guys worry about this and some don't just as some guys who see escorts worry more about getting caught than others do. My theory has always been that guys who would rather spend a ton of money in a strip club just to get off are probably either scared or ignorant to the joys of a private room, a soft bed, a hot shower and an even hotter woman. I'm willing to bet that if they tried the escort or OTC route a few times they would care a lot less about getting a BJ in a club while the girl keeps looking over her shoulder for the bouncer and then having to drive home with a load in their pants...
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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    I see going to escorts as being an extremely risky move.
    yeah, it's risky. if you're shopping on BP, some similar site (CL removed its "adult services" section) or on a street corner. OTOH, one can take a few steps to cover their ass. it's not that difficult. anyway, it's like a said a long time ago in another thread. IMO, the biggest difference between the two is like the difference between eating a seven course meal in a restaurant and fast food. sometimes, one doesn't have a lot of time to eat a seven course meal, want to make a reservation or even if they do make a reservation. the time may not be convenient to either party. OTOH, i can walk in a sc (no reservation or rescheduling needed), select from a number of girls who i have seen before. i can walk out within 30 min or less, in the words of Howard Cosell, completely discombobulated (and dehydrated) by a stripper. otherwise, it's pretty much all sex work to me.
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    Seeing an escort doesn't sound like a good time to me either.
    LOL...wut? how would you know? it sounds like you haven't tried it. you should at least try it before you knock it by playing theory whoremonger or watching too many episode of Starsky and Hutch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    I hope no one minds me butting in with an honest question. I'm probably pretty ignorant on this because I work in a notoriously "clean" area for dancing. But what I'm wondering reading this is, is it really that much safer to get extras in the SC? Finding a dancer who will do OTC, that I can understand. But extras inside the club? For one thing, I know dancers in several places worry about the club being raided. I would think that one would especially not like to get caught giving/doing extras if there's a raid, or even just a routine walk through by vice, etc. For this reason I would assume it would be safer to just contact an escort with a good review record. Secondly, since it's fairly well known in the club who does extras, when and where they're going on, etc., I would think that if one is concerned about others finding out about your "hobby", you'd prefer someplace more private. But there must be part of this equation I'm not fully understanding.
    I agree with the points yoda made above regarding ITC vs. using a hotel room. However, since I also share CP's view of the world regarding the sharing of detailed information about myself and the possibility of busted escort agencies eagerly coughing up that info., I gravitate towards OTC with strippers, which for me is the best of both worlds.

    There are, however, a few clubs in different parts of the country where I will participate in edgier ITC stuff, but all of the conditions need to be right. The VIP needs to be a private booth with no evident cameras, no bouncer/waitress patrols of the booth, and in an area where club raids are not common. However, this is the exception rather than the rule and OTC with dancers is much more my gig.

    To your point regarding club raids, as I mentioned above there are plenty of areas where it is not really common, while of course in some other areas LE is a real pain in the ass, so IME the availability of ITC extras depends in large part on where the club is located.

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    How does it feel safer in public club, full of other workers, bouncers, cameras, managers, and other customers? Not to mention, police come into strip clubs all the time. Not necessarily even for vice purposes. Where I'm from, the Alcohol and Tobacco bureau comes in several times a month to do a quick walk through and make sure the booze is being administered and disposed of within guidelines.

    Although these cops aren't looking to bust for prostitution, if they see it, they absolutely CAN do something about it. Either right then and there, or they can call appropriate backup.

    Why does one have to meet an escort at a dinghy hotel anyway? In my experience, and my recommendation, get a more high end lady, meet her in the bar of a decent, mid-range hotel, have a drink, get to know here. Check out your surroundings when she comes in. If it appears she has a pimp with her, then you can duck out of the deal.

    Most decent escorts will do this for you instead of just knocking on your door. It also gauges attraction. If you just aren't feeling like fucking her, then give her a tip for her time and send her on her way. Sure, its a night of sex lost and you may not be in the mood to hunt for another escort....but its not like you are always guaranteed sex in the strip club either.

    Anyway, doing ITC extras is a huge PIA, totally have to be paranoid and constantly looking up and over your shoulder. Because whilst the customer might just get kicked out, dancer will get fired, beaten up by other girls, and possibly arrested.

    Not worth it. Just go on some hobbyist boards, do some reading, and find yourself a nice professional. Pay the extra $30 to get a room at the Holiday Inn vs Motel6. And have fun.

    Or, just keep doin what you're doing, fortunately I don't have to deal with the likes of your type ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    Sure thing Seriously though, with a forum where you hear about everything from "breast milk on stage" to "guys buying dancer urine," stories about any extras I've gotten over the years are a yawn fest in comparison.
    Somehow this appealed to my warped sense of humor and had me rolling on the floor laughing for a good 5 minutes. That's a sideshow I'd like to see!
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    I'd have to have a "4 simease twin strippers gave me head and then lite themselves on fire" story to blow anybody's mind here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markx View Post
    Sure thing Seriously though, with a forum where you hear about everything from "breast milk on stage" to "guys buying dancer urine," stories about any extras I've gotten over the years are a yawn fest in comparison.
    LOL - though it isn't a contest, just a place to discuss topics of interest.

    Since coming on this thing I have posted about OTC, 2 girl OTC, fav/reg issues, spending levels, indiscreet girls and a variety of other things and I have no doubt that for every post that I have made on any given topic there is someone out there who has seen or done far more relating to that topic. It is simply a discussion board, not a game of oneupsmanship.

    It is better to simply contribute - trip reports and topical comments are always good IMHO - than to try to force it.

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    Markx, You're just clueless... like seriously.

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