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    The recent threads about extras prices, and several other references over the last couple of months to amounts spent in clubs on a particular night, made me think about spending levels a little more. How much do I spend in a given year in clubs and/or on dancers?

    I did a quick and dirty reconstruction of what I likely spent in the past year and came to the conclusion that I probably could have hired another full-time employee with what I spent on clubbing activities, including dancers ITC and OTC.

    I am in clubs a lot and rarely do I get out for less than $200 on a particular night, and often this number gets a lot higher with OTC activities on the back-end.

    And, what's worse, this number is actually going up with my most recent fav still collecting from me (yes, still seeing her despite what I claimed I was going to do, but this topic belongs in another thread). In fact, it is getting to a point that I have toyed with simply putting her on the payroll and meeting her on a straight OTC basis, a situation that I strongly suspect she would be amenable to.

    It is mind boggling what some (including I) do in pursuit of sexy, fun girls. lol

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    I know of several girls who have done this. Had a business owner client or sugar daddy. Got put on the payroll for tax purposes.

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    I have a pretty good idea of what I spend in an average month on strip clubs and escorts but I don't think about it all that much. It's entertainment to me. I don't play golf, I don't gamble much and I don't take expensive vacations. I spend less now that I'm single but I also don't civvie date all that much so I have a fair amount of discretionary income. I am self employed and I do have a couple of down months every year. In those times I simply don't indulge in P4P.

    LOL, I've had offers but I'm not ready to put anyone on the payroll yet!
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    Get their SSNs and you can claim them on your taxes as a dependent.
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    My monthly spending has remained fairly constant, with an occasional couple of bills extra here & there for special occasions. Although I NEVER let my SC money come from the piggy bank that pays the bills (my motto: pay your bills, put away a good size chunk into savings/retirement, and the rest is disposable), I'd prefer not to think about how much I've actually spent. I would faint, vomit, or both .

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    Get their SSNs and you can claim them on your taxes as a dependent.
    I'm assuming that you are joking here. It's really not that simple...
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    Over the last few years, I've spent much less in clubs and reallocated those funds to OTC arrangements. I tire of walking into a club with five-to-seven small and walking out a little later with all but the cover and drink in my pocket, but it's depressing common now due to a lack of appealing talent. This leads to spikes and valleys in spending, though I'd say my average is much lower over the last two years than it's been in the past.

    I'm still not spending the lunch money on girls--that's just a road to destruction, really--so I don't really think too much about what I've spent. Like Yoda, I don't gamble, I don't vacation and I not consumed with consuming material things, so the funds are there for entertaining experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    LOL, I've had offers but I'm not ready to put anyone on the payroll yet!
    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    Get their SSNs and you can claim them on your taxes as a dependent.
    When I said payroll I really meant 1099 contractor. I would never actually put her on the payroll due to employment law issues.

    I could set uo an LLC for her, with its own TIN, and create a monthly invoice process. Tax deductible for me and would give her something reportable for her tax return - win win . I could also show her how to run her own "business" expenses through the LLC and deposit some of her cash into the same. Hell, she could actually do very well from this sort of arrangement. I know others who have done this type of thing but I am far from that point right now. We shall see, but if I continue to enjoy her it may be more cost effective for me, and beneficial for her, over a given timeframe.

    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I'd prefer not to think about how much I've actually spent. I would faint, vomit, or both .

    LOL - I couldn't agree more. I just did one year and wasn't even very precise at that - if I counted up everything I have spent in the last 5-10 years I would probably be shocked.

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    I used to spend around 20-30 large annually between ITC, OTC and gifts. Now it is around $5K at the most for stripper activities. Blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I'm assuming that you are joking here. It's really not that simple...
    Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    When I said payroll I really meant 1099 contractor. I would never actually put her on the payroll due to employment law issues.

    I could set uo an LLC for her, with its own TIN, and create a monthly invoice process. Tax deductible for me and would give her something reportable for her tax return - win win . I could also show her how to run her own "business" expenses through the LLC and deposit some of her cash into the same. Hell, she could actually do very well from this sort of arrangement. I know others who have done this type of thing but I am far from that point right now. We shall see, but if I continue to enjoy her it may be more cost effective for me, and beneficial for her, over a given timeframe.
    I have complete confidence that she can make this work properly and understand all the intracacies of this setup.
    Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?

    Once more, unto the breach, dear friends.

    If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

    -- Its always amazed me how no one learns the lines from Shakespeare. I guess it is true that people don't learn history's lessons until something become's their history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    I used to spend around 20-30 large annually between ITC, OTC and gifts. Now it is around $5K at the most for stripper activities. Blah.

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    Yea I spend $20K+ mostly ITC, some OTC. Would prefer a sugar baby or some good escorts, but haven't found one I like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    I have complete confidence that she can make this work properly and understand all the intracacies of this setup.
    ultimately I do to, though in the beginning she will likely need a little help. Reading the posts by some of the pinks here might lead one to believe that many are experienced in dealing with these business/structural matters, but my experience is that the savvier pinks on here are more of the exception than the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    ultimately I do to, though in the beginning she will likely need a little help. Reading the posts by some of the pinks here might lead one to believe that many are experienced in dealing with these business/structural matters, but my experience is that the savvier pinks on here are more of the exception than the rule.
    The pinks here are an exception in the marketplace.
    Have we not heard the chimes at midnight?

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    -- Its always amazed me how no one learns the lines from Shakespeare. I guess it is true that people don't learn history's lessons until something become's their history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    ya. i dont think that most strippers even pay taxes period... let alone understand the setup that rick was describing. I remember when i was a newbie dancer and i asked one of other girls what she did about taxes and she just burst out laughing and informed me that strippers dont have to pay taxes.

    and i would also venture to say that even most pinks on here do not/ have not paid their taxes. i was actually considering starting an anonymous poll for this at some point. i feel like i am a sucker for paying my taxes .
    Being an entertainer is a cash business. You are on the "honor system" regarding reporting your income. I don't think I have ever met one, and I have known several very well, that ever got it right. Not that they intentionally tried to cheat the tax system, even the terrible twosome kept asking for help on this. Its hard when its all cash and you have to report income every night that you work.

    As for Rick's setup, its going to be one disaster after another. the money will only be one part of it. Been there, done that, got the tshirt. You can warn people all you want, but they won't listen when the prize is soo close and they want it so bad (image: dog outside the butcher shop or cat outside the docks where fish is prepped). As I say "its hard to learn history's lessons until they become your history."

    Not sure it would be helpful and I am completely convinced it will launch a big war, but you can start a thread on how the pinks are different from your average entertainer. Its interesting to see the differences, and I have noted several. Just don't want to be the one to step out in front of that bus.
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    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    Being an entertainer is a cash business. You are on the "honor system" regarding reporting your income. I don't think I have ever met one, and I have known several very well, that ever got it right. Not that they intentionally tried to cheat the tax system, even the terrible twosome kept asking for help on this. Its hard when its all cash and you have to report income every night that you work.
    Not really, it's just a question of wanting to do it. I know at least two of my favs have a ledger book where they record every dime that they make for every shift that they work. Do they declare all of it? Hell No! You can't build credit and own property if you don't pay taxes. That doesn't mean that you have to declare all of it. About fifty percent is the number I hear most often...

    It's not rocket science. I know some very stupid guys in my business (where most of us work as contract labor) who still manage to keep track of income, pay quarterlies and file tax returns. We work on a 1099 so if we don't it will catch up to us sooner or later. Dancers don't have that problem but the smart ones generally know better than to pay nothing at all.
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    I did a cost analysis of what I had spent over the last 4 years in SC's and decided it may be a smarter idea to use that extra money to pay down my mortgage and credit debt, then get back into the SC game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    ya. i dont think that most strippers even pay taxes period... let alone understand the setup that rick was describing. I remember when i was a newbie dancer and i asked one of other girls what she did about taxes and she just burst out laughing and informed me that strippers dont have to pay taxes.

    and i would also venture to say that even most pinks on here do not/ have not paid their taxes. i was actually considering starting an anonymous poll for this at some point. i feel like i am a sucker for paying my taxes .
    I've only had an "income tax conversation" with Miss D not any other strippers I have known. I took from her comments that she doesn't claim any of her stripper income. She draws a modest stipend from the university for teaching an English course as she completes her PhD as well as occasionally substitute teaching at the junior high school level where obviously she is paying all the federal, state and local taxes. I agree with Athena that the voluntary compliance among strippers is likely low. Personally, I don't have a choice regarding compliance but can see how with essentially no oversight, some strippers would at least be tempted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    I used to spend around 20-30 large annually between ITC, OTC and gifts. Now it is around $5K at the most for stripper activities. Blah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeUnCool View Post
    As for Rick's setup, its going to be one disaster after another. the money will only be one part of it. Been there, done that, got the tshirt. You can warn people all you want, but they won't listen when the prize is soo close and they want it so bad (image: dog outside the butcher shop or cat outside the docks where fish is prepped). As I say "its hard to learn history's lessons until they become your history."
    We shall see. Frankly this dog is already getting the meat, but I am paying single serve pricing. This arrangement is being contemplated to get me a bulk rate and to allow me to see her without having to portal through the club first. I'm not sure that this is really comparable to your old situation, both in terms of the person I am dealing with and the mechanics of the arrangement, but I agree that a lot could go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Have you made it through the withdrawal symptoms?
    Not really Rick, sad to say.

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    Damn 20-30k annually?! That's insane!

    However i've spent 1.5k since november, probably insane to some because of my age, but fuck it, i got the green!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie2010 View Post
    Damn 20-30k annually?! That's insane!
    Insane? Not really. $400 per week gets one to the bottom level of that range, and even that pays for a relatively modest amount of lapdances or VIP time in many clubs. Factor in a bar tab for yourself and the girl and the actual $$$ going to those activities is even lower.

    Did you think that one developed favs or OTC relationships by NOT spending money? Now no doubt that FBR is as charming IRL as he is on the boards, but most Miss Ds, Bs, etc., are not normally inclined to lavish attention on those of us who are significantly older than they are unless financially motivated to do so.

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    I guess i haven't done the math... lately i've been spending $200 a week on average , i really see though that most dancers think i have no money, im guessing it's because of my age, i could come in with $500 and ready to spend $200+ on a random dancer and the rest on my fav but they don't even try to ask me for a dance, and i normally tip them $5-10 when they go on stage and everyone else is watching and not tipping! and all they do is say thank you, LOL. dont they want money?!! Maybe they've realized i go for a certain dancer when i go there but i see girls i've never seen before and they don't even approach me,

    i guess word gets around that i spend it mostly on one girl??

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