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    Too much drama on the board and that's not what I signed up for. Tired of reading cam stuff.. so let's talk about something different. This is for daredevils only and as you all know I am a big time daredevil. I just play smart and safe

    I worked as a massage girl before I gave birth and it was fun fun fun. The money was great until the house lady decided to move to miami. I've played with the idea but decided to become an escort instead (I'm too greedy). This is for those looking to get into the FBSM business. Read on....

    What is an FBSM provider: An FBSM provider performs a senual massage with a happy ending. Basically a massage with a handjob at the end. A sensual massage provider can make $1500 and up a week EASILY
    depending on how many men she chooses to see.

    What you'll need

    Massage Oil
    Massage bed
    Incall (Hotel or your own home( recommended)
    Prepaid phone (alternative:Google voice number FREE)
    Money to buy ads (no more than $150 a month) $150 a month is even too much
    money for FBSM advertising.

    What to charge : When I worked as an FBSM provider I worked in a parlor and the rates were
    $150 for 30 minutes and $200 for the hour. Strictly NO sex! What you charge is up to you. Research your market and see what other are charging. Wanna know what others are charging .

    You might be thinking: Do men really pay for this stuff? YES they do! Google "FBSM" and see all you'll come up with. There are many men that aren't looking for "sex". They last thing they will do is hire an escort so what do they do? Settle for a handjob. They really view having sex with anotherwoman besides their wife as CHEATING.

    Is this illegal? Giving a "Bodyrub" for "donations" isn't illegal. Givinga"massage" for pay IS. What's even more ILLEGAL is the handjob. So you'd have to be smart and tactful in your advertising. If you are one of those people that are scared to get into the escorting business because you think you'll get arrested then THIS IS NOT THE JOB FOR YOU. Just like an escort screens.. FBSM providers screen to weed out LE and timewasters. Yes money is there but you have to be careful just like an escort is. Get it?


    What now?

    1.) STOP EVERYTHING YOU'RE DOING .. YOU KNOW THE BASICS RIGHT?

    Massage oil... massage bed... etc...

    Now..

    Learn how to screen ... there is a great article here>>>

    Study this.

    2.) Research body rub rates in your area. are they $200 an hour? if so brand yourself VIP and charge $250 an hour.
    I do this now as an escort. I charge more than any black provider in the area and I'm constantly getting date requests. IT WORKS!
    Remember men want what they cannot have!

    3.) Invest in some professional pictures. Get on model mayhem and
    find a provider that will work with you on Tfcd basis. Tell him you want it for your online portfolio or something. You do not have to
    tell them what it is for. Before hand ask him if it is ok to use them online. TF means FREE. You are trading your time for prints or CDs.

    4.Start building your website. I use blogger for my escort site it's only $10 a year. Do NOT use escortsite.com.
    they are soooo tacky and attract undesirable clients.

    5.) Did you get your free google number? so you didn't. You can get it here


    6.) Start advertising. Advertising: Backpage, eros, Open adult directory

    7.) Join social networks: Facebook, twitter, myspace and be active!

    8.) Learn how to screen... go back to your notes.. whatever you wrote.. Try it out on a friend (i mean the screening LOL)
    If you master anything Master this and you will be on your way.

    9.) When doing incalls... use priceline. You can do a 3 1/2 star.. it's same as 4 star on there. Do not do anything lower. You want to
    be in a place that attract a lot of businessmen where the front desk isn't so worried about what you're doing. When doing hotel incalls you will
    need a massage table so DO NOT bring it there please! You will only need a massage table if you're working in a vacation rental/apartment/house.

    10.) Remember you are an FBSM provider not a massage girl. Do NOT put that you are doing massages on your ad because you are not licenced and if you are... well bravo if you aren't DO NOT TRY IT! You do sensual body rubs.. sensual touch .. whatever NOT massages! You're also not there to fuck them. You're there to give them a handjob. Yes they can watch porn.
    NO they canNOT touch you and if they do.. charge $50 extra or whatever.

    11.) Save as much as you can. Have fun!

    xoxo,

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    Kayla, I'm SOOO glad you're back, lol! This is why...as you know, I advertise on Backpage. I know I need to branch out and start a blog, and am also going to start advertising on other sites. I need pictures tho, I am working on that (again, using advice that you have given me, which is also listed here.) Anyway, what did I do to get started? I opened an account on escortsite!!! Silly Me! *shoots self in foot*

    Thank you for all of your valuable and priceless advice...and welcome home!

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    Kayla (i found you )

    Rearding screening for escorts (off topic I know, sorry!), how do you get them to fill out the screening form if you advertise on BP?

    I wanted to have a screening form as their only way of contacting me when I have my website, so if I advertise on BP, how will they contact me? email? but then they won't fill out the mandatory form

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabrielle_xoxo View Post
    Kayla, I'm SOOO glad you're back, lol! This is why...as you know, I advertise on Backpage. I know I need to branch out and start a blog, and am also going to start advertising on other sites. I need pictures tho, I am working on that (again, using advice that you have given me, which is also listed here.) Anyway, what did I do to get started? I opened an account on escortsite!!! Silly Me! *shoots self in foot*

    Thank you for all of your valuable and priceless advice...and welcome home!


    LMFAO Honey I started out with an escortsite. This is why networking with wonderful high end escorts around the world is beneficial (Can you say twitter?) I learned quickly that escortsite, craigslist AND backpage was a no no. Escortsite is such a rip off it's not even funny. They charge you $20-$40 a month for their premium services which i find VERY useful but I have had clients tell me they would not see a girl with an escortsite.. ha! When I heard that I was like ummmm blogger here I come lol! I can pm you my escort blog if you want. It is soooo pretty (Thanks to Kylea, She designed my header which changed the whole look of the site)

    So I have a question for you Gabby, Will you just be doing FBSM or escort work as well? How do you feel about providers that also do FBSM? I have always wanted to play with this as an independent but just felt escort income would fit my lifestyle.


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    Kayla (i found you )

    Rearding screening for escorts (off topic I know, sorry!), how do you get them to fill out the screening form if you advertise on BP?

    I wanted to have a screening form as their only way of contacting me when I have my website, so if I advertise on BP, how will they contact me? email? but then they won't fill out the mandatory form

    I advertise on BP almost once every two months and when I did advertise there I did a nationwide ad hitting multiple cities at once (This is how I am able to get men to travel to see me and to fly me up to see them). A lot of gents didn't classify me as a "Backpage girl" because of my tasteful non peak-a-boo pictures, the way I write my ads ... and of course my rates (now $500 an hour then $400 an hour) Most importantly .. They knew I was legit .. why? My reviews.

    When I first started, I posted ads regularly on TER until someone decided to see me. TER members are scared to see providers both FBSM and FS that are NOT reviewed on ter. So once I got my FIRST review (some guy decided to TOFTT-Take one for the team LOL) on TER they started to flock to me.

    Leyla, I am an email only escort. I don't have my number posted anywhere on the internet. The only way guys can contact me is via the form on my site. For FBSM I would have a contact form for guys to fill out if they wanted to see me and yes make sure you stress that it is mandatory BUT I will also have a phone number where they can call me but say it's ONLY for emergencies and if they call you will not see them.

    Leyla, It is all about the image you put out there. Men are very visual before they read your ad they are drooling at your pictures. Have professional pics and write a well written ad and they will respect you enough to take the time out and fill out your contact form. From what I have learned, If a guy wants to see you he'll do EVERYTHING he can to see you. Hope that helps.

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    I'm glad that we have massage girls and escorts. Women like these are the ones that I can respect. They are smart and professional. I get so annoyed when I see HJ going on in the club and the parties involved make no effort to conceal it. Charge what you're worth! Get the motherfucker to a hotel and charge $400! Or way more!
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    It's very gutsy being an escort and massage girl but ya gotta have ALOT of balls to give a HJ in a club. I couldn't do it.. it's tacky and it's wouldn't be good for my VIP image LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    It's very gutsy being an escort and massage girl but ya gotta have ALOT of balls to give a HJ in a club. I couldn't do it.. it's tacky and it's wouldn't be good for my VIP image LOL!
    I can barely give my SO a handjob, much less multiple strangers with nearby onlookers. My props to the escorts. I agree HJ in the club are just tacky.
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    Is this illegal? Giving a "Bodyrub" for "donations" isn't illegal. Givinga"massage" for pay IS. What's even more ILLEGAL is the handjob. So you'd have to be smart and tactful in your advertising. If you are one of those people that are scared to get into the escorting business because you think you'll get arrested then THIS IS NOT THE JOB FOR YOU. Just like an escort screens.. FBSM providers screen to weed out LE and timewasters. Yes money is there but you have to be careful just like an escort is. Get it?






    Kayla M


    That is sooooo right Kayla. The legal system is very technical. It is all about how you say things..."wordings" . If not then you better be very clever in getting out of trouble..Lol ( Never a Guarantee)

    I will advise everyone to read laws on anything that can be controversial. It may save you in the long run. Laws change from state to state and within counties within states so Knowledge is Power, really....you just got to always read and network for information out there....

    Kayla do you think this will be less risky than escorting? I am sure the one that is the most risk free will be social escorting...
    I would imagine you would not necessary be charged with prostitution doing FBSM but I am sure I can be wrong on this......
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I can barely give my SO a handjob, much less multiple strangers with nearby onlookers. My props to the escorts. I agree HJ in the club are just tacky.

    Yes escorting is FUN FUN FUN for the right person. I'd be miserable as an extras dancer.

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    That is sooooo right Kayla. The legal system is very technical. It is all about how you say things..."wordings" . If not then you better be very clever in getting out of trouble..Lol ( Never a Guarantee)
    Right. It's a game of words. An adult game for sure. It takes a very clever person to play this game.

    I will advise everyone to read laws on anything that can be controversial. It may save you in the long run. Laws change from state to state and within counties within states so Knowledge is Power, really....you just got to always read and network for information out there....
    Yes I contacted the Sherrif's department for the city I live in (this is where I got the above info from). I would need to get a Priviledge License to do this type of work ($50 which is nothing). I could do Body rubs for donations but can't do Massage for pay.. but the handjobs is SOOO illegal OF COURSE lol!!!
    Kayla do you think this will be less risky than escorting? I am sure the one that is the most risk free will be social escorting...
    I would imagine you would not necessary be charged with prostitution doing FBSM but I am sure I can be wrong on this......
    Hustlette, Honestly I KNOW FBSM is less risky than escorting itself. FBSM you don't have to have sex which is a BIG PLUS. As an escort, You do. However, That is the ONLY difference as far as risks are concerned. As a social escort, You will be "arm candy"/companion/personal conceirge . I see social escorting like a TRUE sugardaddy/sugarbaby engagement. You can read the sugarbaby vs escort thread to read how I feel about that. I am intrigued by social escorting. $80-$100 an hour ? no sex AND legally? SIGN ME UP! I will toy with it one of these days. It also doesn't take a lot to get started

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    Oh and I'm pretty sure you can be charged with prostitution as an FBSM provider. The main goal is not getting caught

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    I am with you Kayla. I can see how social escorting can put my mind at rest. Lol... That legal stuff can make your nerves so freakin bad. The not getting into legal trouble can be a very major plus for me as well....so I hear you.

    I guess I was thinking that since no sex is involved that it will be a lesser charge like sexual misconduct or something. But also sexual misconduct can be interchangeable with prostitution and/or solicitation of sex as well as associated with other things . But once you start to do the handjobs , that cross all lines as well...so it just depends on what the laws in that particular area consider it too....

    But you know one thing...there is nothing like Escorting money I will say....It is so freaking lucrative and if you love this type of job then it is just icing on the birthday cake....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HustletteDiva View Post
    I am with you Kayla. I can see how social escorting can put my mind at rest. Lol... That legal stuff can make your nerves so freakin bad. The not getting into legal trouble can be a very major plus for me as well....so I hear you.
    Yes If I were to try anything else besides escorting and camming it would be social escorting. $100 an hour is not bad for just hanging out and it's legal so yeah agreed!
    I guess I was thinking that since no sex is involved that it will be a lesser charge like sexual misconduct or something. But also sexual misconduct can be interchangeable with prostitution and/or solicitation of sex as well as associated with other things . But once you start to do the handjobs , that cross all lines as well...so it just depends on what the laws in that particular area consider it too....
    Sexual misconduct, prostitution... whatever the case may be... being arrested is the last thing on my mind. Fact of the matter is if you're super careful you will not get busted. It's been done and it's being done once my non adult business takes off escorting for me will be no more. However I will look into social escorting It's just a smart thing to do .. LOL
    But you know one thing...there is nothing like Escorting money I will say....It is so freaking lucrative and if you love this type of job then it is just icing on the birthday cake....
    Yes ma'am. Though escorting IS risky. The fear of STDs (Protect yourself ladies) and Being arrested.. it is MAD fun. The money is a power trip. I have gone to appointments with nothing and walked out with no less than 1k. It's a beautiful thing. The money is sweet but it can get addicting

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    I worked as a massage girl for several months, first at an incall place and then indy.

    Just my two cents:

    Yes you can get arrested. Usually it's for massaging without a license. In some places the charge is called "masturbation for hire." Like Kayla mentioned upthread be careful on your wording and screen each and every client like an escort would. Sadly if LE wants to arrest you they will regardless of how clean your ad is because in the end, you are massaging without a license. However, discretion is key.

    Try to go indy right away if possible. Some of those massage studios/spas are a target for LE, even the ones run in private residences. Why? Because they usually have a few girls working at a time and a ton of clients which means lots and lots of traffic. The neighbors usually catch on quickly. Some places encourage walk-ins and publish the incall address on their ads for the world to see.

    As for the positives: It is lucrative. I made no less than $1400 a week working 3 days - that's a total of 8 hours or less (2 clients a day). I've had some very nice clientele when I was in the business - usually guys with SO's who felt guilty about "going all the way" so they would see massage providers instead.

    Before you begin you'll have to decide what type of massage you'll offer. There are some providers out there who basically offer "everything but full service", rub on a guy's back for a couple minutes and call it "body rub". Personally I was a prude (lol) so it was strictly massage with a HJ finish. I did not allow any body to body. Touching above the waist was fine however, the way I positioned myself around the table it was very difficult for a client to touch me anyway. I adjusted my massage table as high as it could go so while I was at the head of the table, a client's head would be closer to my stomach. For the "happy ending" I would kneel at the foot of the table between the client's legs so the client couldn't touch me without sitting up (which didn't happen!).

    If you do not have any formal massage experience, consider watching massage DVDs. I rented a couple from Netflix and watched videos online. No one expected me to massage like a pro but it did help that I had somewhat of a technique rather than just slapping on some oil and rubbing it around haphazardly. Oh and speaking of oil, never EVER use baby oil. Spring for some good massage oil. Your clients will thank you for it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtia View Post
    I worked as a massage girl for several months, first at an incall place and then indy.

    Just my two cents:

    Yes you can get arrested. Usually it's for massaging without a license. In some places the charge is called "masturbation for hire." Like Kayla mentioned upthread be careful on your wording and screen each and every client like an escort would. Sadly if LE wants to arrest you they will regardless of how clean your ad is because in the end, you are massaging without a license. However, discretion is key.

    Try to go indy right away if possible. Some of those massage studios/spas are a target for LE, even the ones run in private residences. Why? Because they usually have a few girls working at a time and a ton of clients which means lots and lots of traffic. The neighbors usually catch on quickly. Some places encourage walk-ins and publish the incall address on their ads for the world to see.

    As for the positives: It is lucrative. I made no less than $1400 a week working 3 days - that's a total of 8 hours or less (2 clients a day). I've had some very nice clientele when I was in the business - usually guys with SO's who felt guilty about "going all the way" so they would see massage providers instead.

    Before you begin you'll have to decide what type of massage you'll offer. There are some providers out there who basically offer "everything but full service", rub on a guy's back for a couple minutes and call it "body rub". Personally I was a prude (lol) so it was strictly massage with a HJ finish. I did not allow any body to body. Touching above the waist was fine however, the way I positioned myself around the table it was very difficult for a client to touch me anyway. I adjusted my massage table as high as it could go so while I was at the head of the table, a client's head would be closer to my stomach. For the "happy ending" I would kneel at the foot of the table between the client's legs so the client couldn't touch me without sitting up (which didn't happen!).

    If you do not have any formal massage experience, consider watching massage DVDs. I rented a couple from Netflix and watched videos online. No one expected me to massage like a pro but it did help that I had somewhat of a technique rather than just slapping on some oil and rubbing it around haphazardly. Oh and speaking of oil, never EVER use baby oil. Spring for some good massage oil. Your clients will thank you for it!
    Very well said. I'm sure you enjoyed it just as much as I did. It was a VERY fun job! ... a longer response coming up ..

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    Yes you can get arrested. Usually it's for massaging without a license. In some places the charge is called "masturbation for hire." Like Kayla mentioned upthread be careful on your wording and screen each and every client like an escort would. Sadly if LE wants to arrest you they will regardless of how clean your ad is because in the end, you are massaging without a license. However, discretion is key.
    Agreed!

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    This is exactly what most people don't understand. If LE want you they will GET you. Even as an escort if they're investigating you yes you will cross paths with them. there is NO way around this. The only way is screening with confidence. So I was going through ads yesterday for body rubs in my area and came across this ad....



    What is she thinking "No screening" and "No ID" required. I was thinking this was a sting until I saw her reviews on TER. She is playing with fire big time. Please yall don't do this!



    Try to go indy right away if possible. Some of those massage studios/spas are a target for LE, even the ones run in private residences. Why? Because they usually have a few girls working at a time and a ton of clients which means lots and lots of traffic. The neighbors usually catch on quickly. Some places encourage walk-ins and publish the incall address on their ads for the world to see.
    Some of the spas and studios are target for LE just like escort agencies are more likely to get busted than an independent escort that carefully screens. I agree with this totally. I don't see how they are able to publish the incall adress like that. I would be scared as hell. I usually like to give the guy a landmark near my incall then when he arrives I'll tell him the hotel/apartment where I am working from.

    As for the positives: It is lucrative. I made no less than $1400 a week working 3 days - that's a total of 8 hours or less (2 clients a day). I've had some very nice clientele when I was in the business - usually guys with SO's who felt guilty about "going all the way" so they would see massage providers instead.
    same experience but I worked 6 days a week and gave $50 per appointment to the house lady and was at 1500 on a so so week and over 2k on a good week.

    Before you begin you'll have to decide what type of massage you'll offer. There are some providers out there who basically offer "everything but full service", rub on a guy's back for a couple minutes and call it "body rub". Personally I was a prude (lol) so it was strictly massage with a HJ finish. I did not allow any body to body. Touching above the waist was fine however, the way I positioned myself around the table it was very difficult for a client to touch me anyway. I adjusted my massage table as high as it could go so while I was at the head of the table, a client's head would be closer to my stomach. For the "happy ending" I would kneel at the foot of the table between the client's legs so the client couldn't touch me without sitting up (which didn't happen!).
    Same here.

    We had monitors in each room. The house lady will listen for sex (LOL) There was a strict no sex no fingering rule. We each had assigned rooms and each room had towels, a massage table, tip jar, a flat screen tv with porn playing at ALL TIMES. It was very upscale set up ... if not, I wouldn't have worked there.

    I was always dressed in sexy lingerie. I was the only black girl plus I have huge tits so I got picked ALOT (We had to do a line up when clients came in) For the massage I would do a rub down while talking dirty to the client and then tell him how sexy I think he is. I'd ask him what he did for a living (these men were usually top notch businessmen) I'd tell him how strong and powerful I thought he was while smiling at him THEN I'd flip him over for the HJ and when the deed was done I'd offer him the shower and leave the room. I would always remind them "The tip jar is right here baby". I swear I'd always come back to the room finding $100-$150 Tips. I would scream ontop of my lungs like "OMG ahhhhhhhhhh" The house lady would always laugh at me. I always got big tips $50 and up. Damn good ole days.

    P.s I was ALWAYS asked out on dates and I turned down every request because this wasn't allowed. I really liked my house lady so I respected her wishes. Her daughter and I were very close. It felt more like family than co-workers.

    If you do not have any formal massage experience, consider watching massage DVDs. I rented a couple from Netflix and watched videos online. No one expected me to massage like a pro but it did help that I had somewhat of a technique rather than just slapping on some oil and rubbing it around haphazardly. Oh and speaking of oil, never EVER use baby oil. Spring for some good massage oil. Your clients will thank you for it!
    Honey I did NOT know this about the DVD. I honestly think I sucked at the massages but that didn't stop them from coming back.

    Thanks for posting love.

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    This is exactly what most people don't understand. If LE want you they will GET you. Even as an escort if they're investigating you yes you will cross paths with them. there is NO way around this. The only way is screening with confidence. So I was going through ads yesterday for body rubs in my area and came across this ad....



    What is she thinking "No screening" and "No ID" required. I was thinking this was a sting until I saw her reviews on TER. She is playing with fire big time. Please yall don't do this!
    Wow. I guess she thinks no screening automatically = more $$$. She's definitely compromising her safety in the sake of money which is NEVER a good idea.

    Some of the spas and studios are target for LE just like escort agencies are more likely to get busted than an independent escort that carefully screens. I agree with this totally. I don't see how they are able to publish the incall adress like that. I would be scared as hell. I usually like to give the guy a landmark near my incall then when he arrives I'll tell him the hotel/apartment where I am working from.
    Yeah the incall place I worked for did that. I worked there for briefly just to see if I liked it enough to go indy. Honestly I was scared to death of getting arrested. That place had been in business for a few years. LE shut it down about 6 months later and the owner went to jail for 3 months. Posting a spa's address is really, really common. Keep looking on BP. You'll addresses posted openly, especially in South Florida.

    We had monitors in each room. The house lady will listen for sex (LOL) There was a strict no sex no fingering rule. We each had assigned rooms and each room had towels, a massage table, tip jar, a flat screen tv with porn playing at ALL TIMES. It was very upscale set up ... if not, I wouldn't have worked there.
    Cool set up! We had a shower in each room with a table, linens and a CD player. It was sooooo dark in there! Everything was done by candlelight so guys couldn't see anything! I played soft music like those relax/meditation CDs. Sade was also a favorite. I also used my music to time my massages so I knew how long I was working. I received lots of compliments about not being a clock watcher, however I was keeping time, just with a CD instead of a clock!

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    I also kept time with a CD ha. OOOOh and I LOVE Sade. I listen to her ever morning while taking a shower LOL! We had ONE room with music playing the rest of the rooms had porn playing on the flat screen. It was a beautiful but FREAKY set up.

    Yes our house lady was very nice. She took all her money and moved to miami. I used to spend a night at her house when i didn't feel like driving home LOL.

    Yes that girl is crazy. I couldn't compromise my safety because of extra $$$$ HELL NO. Best of luck to her but what she is doing is pretty DUMB.

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    Naugthia, I have a few questions for you.

    Where did you usually advertise? Did you advertise on eros, backpage and cragislist or just craigslist. Which one worked the most?

    Did you have your own website and what type of pictures did you use in your advertisements? Did you show your face?

    When you went indy what were your rates..? what were the rates in your area?

    Did you ever go on dates with your clients and if you did. where did you go and did you have sex with them?

    Where you paranoid as an indy the way you were working for the parlor? and did you work in your own apartment? Did you ever use hotels for your appointments?

    Oh and last but not least because I'd really like to know, Have you ever worked as an escort?

    I want ladies to get advice from someone else besides me and so far you have done that. Thanks for posting and for answering my questions in advanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    Naugthia, I have a few questions for you.

    Where did you usually advertise? Did you advertise on eros, backpage and cragislist or just craigslist. Which one worked the most?
    I advertised on BP a couple times a week. I did advertise on Eros twice, but after that I generated enough leads to where I didn't have to advertise.

    Did you have your own website and what type of pictures did you use in your advertisements? Did you show your face?
    Never showed my face. I didn't feel there was a need for a website. The text on my ads and my 3 photos were enough.

    When you went indy what were your rates..? what were the rates in your area?
    When I went indy I charged $140 for a half hour and $180 for an hour. I rarely received any half hour appointments. The smart ones figured they could have double my time for $40 more, so they usually went for 60 minutes, plus tipped on top of that. Oh and this was in Atlanta. You can scan BP for the going rates today, but I saw other ladies charging $100 hour sometimes.

    Did you ever go on dates with your clients and if you did. where did you go and did you have sex with them?
    HELL NO! LOL Not to put others down who do that, but I keep my work and personal life separate. I'm telling you, I was the biggest prude in the massage business. No kissing, no sliding my body on theirs, no dirty talk, etc. Sure they were offers, but I always turned them down. I did not want any sort of attachment to my clients other than what went down in my massage room. Period. No calling up just to chat, etc. Strictly professional at all times. That's not to say I wasn't warm and friendly. I was a sweetheart, but just didn't want to get too involved.

    Where you paranoid as an indy the way you were working for the parlor? and did you work in your own apartment? Did you ever use hotels for your appointments?
    Yes I was always on my toes when I went independent. I shared an apartment with another provider whom I'd met at the parlor. We kept opposite schedules and split the bills 50/50. I never used hotels (too expensive) and never went on outcalls. Outcalls for me were a no no because I liked to have my set up a certain way, plus I didn't like walking into unfamiliar territory.

    Oh and last but not least because I'd really like to know, Have you ever worked as an escort?
    No escort work. Just escort booking and screening for an agency after I left the massage business. I've been tempted, but it was outside of my personal comfort zone.

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    Very very smart! Keeping it strictly business is the way to go. I always say stay ahead of the market when it comes to what to charge! I do the rate decoy for my escort rates and it works (always book multi hours) Thanks for the response sweetie.

    This thread is so kick ass!

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    Ooh and Naughtia, A website is a must have for today's FBSM provider. I know a few ladies that do great without it but it's always great to have a home on the web.. ya know?

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    I worked as a massage girl for several months, first at an incall place and then indy.

    Just my two cents:

    Yes you can get arrested. Usually it's for massaging without a license. In some places the charge is called "masturbation for hire." Like Kayla mentioned upthread be careful on your wording and screen each and every client like an escort would. Sadly if LE wants to arrest you they will regardless of how clean your ad is because in the end, you are massaging without a license. However, discretion is key.

    Try to go indy right away if possible. Some of those massage studios/spas are a target for LE, even the ones run in private residences. Why? Because they usually have a few girls working at a time and a ton of clients which means lots and lots of traffic. The neighbors usually catch on quickly. Some places encourage walk-ins and publish the incall address on their ads for the world to see.

    As for the positives: It is lucrative. I made no less than $1400 a week working 3 days - that's a total of 8 hours or less (2 clients a day). I've had some very nice clientele when I was in the business - usually guys with SO's who felt guilty about "going all the way" so they would see massage providers instead.

    Before you begin you'll have to decide what type of massage you'll offer. There are some providers out there who basically offer "everything but full service", rub on a guy's back for a couple minutes and call it "body rub". Personally I was a prude (lol) so it was strictly massage with a HJ finish. I did not allow any body to body. Touching above the waist was fine however, the way I positioned myself around the table it was very difficult for a client to touch me anyway. I adjusted my massage table as high as it could go so while I was at the head of the table, a client's head would be closer to my stomach. For the "happy ending" I would kneel at the foot of the table between the client's legs so the client couldn't touch me without sitting up (which didn't happen!).

    If you do not have any formal massage experience, consider watching massage DVDs. I rented a couple from Netflix and watched videos online. No one expected me to massage like a pro but it did help that I had somewhat of a technique rather than just slapping on some oil and rubbing it around haphazardly. Oh and speaking of oil, never EVER use baby oil. Spring for some good massage oil. Your clients will thank you for it!

    Thanks Naughtia,

    I know no matter how well you play your cards. You can do everything right....being extra paranoid AKA observant and screening the socks out of someone but if LE wants you then they will get you or try to give you a hard time. But I do agree with Kayla in that if you do all the above the chances of being caught up are reduced significantly. There are enough people in the industry who have been doing it for years and NEVER been caught. Even though I seen women who did all the above and get caught up as well...I think luck and timing plays a significant part on top of being business savvy, intelligent, and legally literate in any place you do business.

    Also Never Ever letting your guards down even for a minute. I have to admit that was my issue and that is how I got caught up. I just got too comfortable. The money and men and no problems made me very stupid for a split second...so I learned quick never again. But that was a very obvious dumb move on my part for getting caught. A mistake I could've did without but Live and Learn...

    Whenever I am doing something I like to know the advantages and disadvantages ( pros and cons of any business move). So with escorting even though I am like what do I do not to get caught and try to do that. I still like to know the consequences and worst case scenarios for things. it better prepares me just in case that 1% chance something goes not as planned....I believe that is kind of what helped me through my situation.

    I love escorting ( High Sex drive+ Love for sex+ Money= very happy paid chic) but I really hate the legal stress of it. I do not think I will ever leave the sex industry but I still need to get me a non-adult business I just have to set myself up just in case because of the risk with escorting.....I do not want to only have income coming in through the adult side but other ways as well.....

    I had even looked into getting a quick massage therapy type license and realized all the hours needed to obtain one and quickly backed down...hahaha But I already was a student plus working on several gigs and just did not have the time....But that is a good cover up since it works in your favor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    Very very smart! Keeping it strictly business is the way to go. I always say stay ahead of the market when it comes to what to charge! I do the rate decoy for my escort rates and it works (always book multi hours) Thanks for the response sweetie.

    This thread is so kick ass!

    Yes, it's definitely a great promotional tool. Adult work is something I've always done on the side, but I never intended to make it my career. . . so having a website was never something I wanted. I wasn't interested in creating a persona, so to speak. I basically wanted to stack up money without having a large presence in the business, if that makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtia View Post
    Yes, it's definitely a great promotional tool. Adult work is something I've always done on the side, but I never intended to make it my career. . . so having a website was never something I wanted. I wasn't interested in creating a persona, so to speak. I basically wanted to stack up money without having a large presence in the business, if that makes sense.

    Sure does!

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