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    Question Atkins or Ketogenic diet

    ok, so nobody jump down my throat for considering a fad diet.

    as i have posted on this board quite a few times, i have PCOS and i have been doing some research and apparently the atkins diet is very good for PCOS. With pcos, we really do not handle sugar or carbs well, so the atkins diet is pretty effective for slimming down while having pcos. as well as managing some other symptoms. i gained a little pudge on my burning man trip due to inactivity while on the road trip as well as not watching my diet as dilligently as usual, and id like to just get it off of my body quickly.

    Really though, id like to get my body to where it was before the PCOS symptoms started to jerk me around. this is maybe 3 yrs back before i even realized i had the problem.

    i was wondering if anyone on here has done a ketogenic diet? it doesnt have to specifically be atkins, but it seems like atkins would just be easiest because they have their guidelines clearly printed online. I lose weight fastest when i reduce carbs, but i have never reduced them as much as a ketogenic diet requires. So for people who have done it, did you have good results? how long did it take you to get energy? I hear there is like a period where you are down until your body becomes accustomed to using ketones as its main source of energy as opposed to glucose.

    and if by some small chance, someone on here with PCOS has tried the atkins or another ketogenic diet, id be curious to hear your results .
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    Default Re: Atkins or Ketogenic diet

    When I lost the majority of my weight (30lbs in 1.5 months) I wasn't on Atkins specifically - but tended to lean towards that. I have a blog on my website that explains a lot of it. I do use those ketosis strips though... LOVE those!
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    I would definitely avoid a ketogenic diet. There are too many peripheral repercussions and it's an unsustainable diet with too many rebound consequences. I'm not sure but I believe both the Atkins and ketogenic diets were originally designed to treat epilepsy? Anyway, you know what works for your body, so listen to it and do what gets you results, but ketogenic diets I would say are not for use by most people.

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    ^ I couldn't agree more.

    Atkins = UNHEALTHY. You might lose weight, but it's not a healthy diet by any means. Not to mention how environmentally unfriendly it is!

    Can you consume natural sugars (as in, bananas)?

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    Default Re: Atkins or Ketogenic diet

    natural sugars = no

    anything that spikes insulin is no good for pcos.

    athena, you don't necessarily need to go atkins or keto, but cutting and lowering carbs does help. i keep mine low and i feel tons better than when i don't.

    my mother and i were just talking about this because she has PCOS also as well as diabetes. she was telling me how she let her diet go and just ate carbs and has felt terrible. she has had no energy and just wants to nap all the time. i even noticed her being grumpy lately. i told her i get the same thing when i dont keep the carbs down.

    i even carry low carb tortillas in my purse to substitute when i go out for mexican.

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    oh and to answer your other questions, it takes about two weeks to feel normal on an atkins/keto diet. you will feel like shit, no energy, bad mood, headache for a while. warn your friends. you will likely be in such a bad mood you will go off on a few people. but after two weeks, you feel golden. even better than before because you are not dealing with insulin rushes.

    taking glutamine supps helps with the awful feeling you get at first with atkins/keto. i also found it helped to slowly lower carbs and ease into it, but some people like cold turkey.

    as far as weight loss, i think all weight loss works out to calories in vs. calories out in the end. so it doesn't matter if you lower your carbs or not, if you still eat too much. atkins/keto never made a diff in weight loss for me, but it did make me feel better and reduce the pcos symptoms.

    however, an awesome thing about low carb, is that it will kill your appetite. you will get sick of looking at food, thus making it way easier to eat less.

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    so even though it was ill advised, i decided to restrict my carbs to below 20g.

    im not doing it entirely atkins style since i am trying to make sure the fats i put in my body are good fats. so instead of eating steak and butter and whipped cream and bacon its more like salmon, coconut oil, and some spinach for carbs etc.

    i felt weird the first day-- not necessarily bad. it kind of felt like when i used to be prescribed XR adderall and was coming down off of it. but i feel fine now albeit still a little strange. and i felt pretty good yesterday- i even went on a 4 mile run with plenty of energy to spare.

    according to the piss stix im in ketosis.

    idk my body seems to be handling this well.. i figure at the worst, it wont be the most damaging thing i have done to my body over the years. im not craving carbs anymore which is a big deal for me. i am sure that lilmisssunshine can relate... carb cravngs with PCOS suck. for me, they were on par with cigarette cravings when i used to smoke. stuff that spikes blood sugar seems to trigger them.

    so i will see how this goes as far as how i feel and how much weight i drop. will keep you guys posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    i figure at the worst, it wont be the most damaging thing i have done to my body over the years.
    I'm with you on that one!

    Please be careful to make sure your total calories per day are adequate. This is going to mean eating a huge amount of proteins and fats. If your total calories are deficient and you are also increasing your calorie deficit through exercise you will start burning muscles instead of fat.

    I've seen several cases of people doing this, and the result is your total weight stays the same, but your body fat percentage skyrockets, leaving you 'skinny fat'. Basically the same size as you are now, but mostly fat and cellulite.

    Please do some research on extreme calorie deficit diets and relate that to your planned calorie intake and your calorie sources; the rebound effect I described is extremely hard to recover from because it effects your entire metabolic system.

    And keep us posted! Fingers are crossed for you!

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    ya im trying to still eat a reasonable amount. plus even though im not craving carbs, i still dont feel like having no food in my system.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    The keto diet is bad news...I've seen many lose a lot of muscle doing this diet to drop weight fast. Most of which were getting ready for BB shows & were behind on their diets. One diet I think a lot of is carb cycling which you have 2 low days followed by a med day then high, repeat. Everybody I've seen on it has lost weight & looked very healthy. I think there was a woman on here a while ago saying how much she liked it & she was into fitness shows.

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    ^ She's doing it for her PCOS, not to lose weight, I believe.. So it sounds like med/high carb days wouldn't be an option.

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    ^im doing it for both. weight gain is a symptom of PCOS.. and carbs make me gain weight and trigger all of the other symptoms of PCOS. when i eat a lot of carbs i also tend to be tired, lethargic, weak, mentally foggy, and to make matters worse- crave more carbs. some of hte other symptoms i used to get, such as acne, dont bother me any more due to being on birth control.

    but yea, on my burning man road trip i went off my low carb diet and ended up eating things that are not ok for me like pbj sandwiches (one of my atf foods), crackers, cookies, etc etc. so i did gain a little pudge on the trip and after the trip was over i felt like i never recovered and have been very tired up till this week.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Sorry..shouldn't skim over topics..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    ^im doing it for both. weight gain is a symptom of PCOS.. and carbs make me gain weight and trigger all of the other symptoms of PCOS. when i eat a lot of carbs i also tend to be tired, lethargic, weak, mentally foggy, and to make matters worse- crave more carbs. some of hte other symptoms i used to get, such as acne, dont bother me any more due to being on birth control.

    but yea, on my burning man road trip i went off my low carb diet and ended up eating things that are not ok for me like pbj sandwiches (one of my atf foods), crackers, cookies, etc etc. so i did gain a little pudge on the trip and after the trip was over i felt like i never recovered and have been very tired up till this week.
    Do you exercise? Some low-impact cardio would probably kill the pudge more quickly than diet!

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    Yea I'm pretty active. But i wasn't so much on my burning man trip due to being on a bus for several days.

    But if I eat a lot of carbs, even with excersise I will gain weight. And feel sluggish etc. Which in turn makes me not want to excersise

    As farbas energy- I was able to wake up today before 10 without caffeine. And go on a 5mile ish run around san Fran even with some of the crazy hills. So I guess my body is holding up.

    In regards to losig muscle- shouldn't basic weight training prevent that?
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    In regards to losig muscle- shouldn't basic weight training prevent that?
    No, absolutely not. This is a counterintuitive process. You can actually be making the problem even worse by working out hard if you are not getting enough caloric intake.

    Basically what happens is if your body is in a caloric deficit, it starts freaking out and goes into fat storage mode. This is a built in survival mechanism. What your body then does is start trying to get calories from any source it can. The most bio-available source in your body is your muscles and your brain!

    So in very loose terms, your body will start breaking down lean mass to try to create fat, which is your body's way of reacting to the calorie deficit you are imposing on it, so it can have survival energy in the form of fat stores to buffer itself against the perceived starvation threat you have placed it in.

    And no, working out will basically just burn even more calories, which will then place your body even deeper into the calorie hole, which will then just compound the problem. Your body cannot make something from nothing. If you are not getting enough calories and macronutrients, it will not be able to generate lean mass. And this lean mass is actually what helps you burn calories in the first place, so you place yourself in a really bad downward spiral.

    So make sure if you are taking away calories in the form of carbs, you need to add calories in the form of proteins and fats. And this is going to mean eating a lot of food, especially if you are active!

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    I thought that the point of a ketogenic diet was to preserve muscle. my understanding of it was ketones show up in your blood when your body uses fat for fuel and turns fat into ketones... and when they show up on the strips it means there is excess ketones and they are your primary source of fuel?

    anyway a week and a half later i have trimmed some fat. i dont think ive lost muscle since my muscles look more definted but who knows. i drank last night though so i probably ruined it. I need to figure out what to do with my diet more for the long term... im going to do low carb since it seems to work for me but not as low carb as i have been doing. i guess i have to start reading up on everything .
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Default Re: Atkins or Ketogenic diet

    bodybuilding.comhasan entire forum for the keto diet. i think its under the nutrition section. u will definitely get better answers there and tons of recipes

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    woops no spaces! bodybuilding.com

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    Actually your best source of info would be a nutritionist who specializes in keto diets. Certain articles on bodybuilding sites are written under the presupposition that the reader is using anabolics during cutting cycles to prevent muscle catabolism. Information like that could be very harmful to someone who isn't.

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    ^^agree..I really don't like that diet. I have used it to jump start though & then cycled carbs.

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    they are not articles. it's a forum.

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    Advice still stands. A nutritionist will give better and more focused help on the issue than any forum, including this one. Ketogenic diets are no joke, and anyone who is attempting one should do it under the guidance of a nutritionist. And bodybuilding forums will also provide info largely based on the presupposition of anabolic use, unless one specifically searches out a natural bodybuilding forum.

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    whatever...then nobody go to the forum to discuss keto with other people who are interested in keto. that would be absurd to talk to like minded people with similar interests.

    thanks for setting that straight.

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    AngelKing has a good point.

    For example: I recently started eating raw, and it turned out that part of my diet was actually dangerous. By consuming too much of one type of green (Kale), I was literally coasting into hypothyroidism. If I hadn't gotten my blood tested, I wouldn't have been aware of this until a much more serious problem arose. And my doctor wasn't even the one who told me that it was b/c of the Kale--I had to figure that out myself (through massive research).

    Having someone on your side keeping you informed about nutrition can only help. Or you should at least research the fucking shit out of a diet before adhering to it.

    And I think my case shows that even the diets that look harmless (what could be more harmless than eating fruits and vegetables?) can really affect your body, in both good and bad ways.

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