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    Quote Originally Posted by sclvr5005 View Post
    Are you implying that homosexuality is wrong onto itself, or just wrong for those individuals questioning their own sexuality? Your wording implies the former, under a not-so-thin guise of "scientific" study.
    I'm saying that science has not established that it is good, which means it could be bad, and people have no reason to insist that it is good. I do not think it is good. There is no "thin scientific guise" - science really hasn't proven it.

    On what do you base these impressions?
    Since you are questioning mine, what do you base your impressions on?

    Are you a closeted homosexual?
    Another common pro-homosexual tactic - assume anyone who questions homosexuality is doing so out of repression of his own homosexuality. That's not an argument, that is begging the question - the answer assumes the truth of the position being questioned.

    If you choose to believe homosexuality is good, go ahead; but unless you have a solid reason for doing so, don't vilify or ridicule those who do not.
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    ^ Homosexuality has proven itself itself "good" for a few things - they make good interior designers, fashion designers, stylists, artists, etc... and... some people think they raise property values when they move into a neighborhood...
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    ^ Not to mention a great form of natural population control.

    I'm not going to enter this debate because I know I'll turn it into a "hurry up and legalise same-sex marriage" campaign but on the original topic my theory is that everyone; gay, straight, male, female - EVERYONE loves a good set of boobs

    I did have a dancer friend who told me about a gay male regular she had, when she asked him one day why he came in every week (though she appreciated his business) his response was along the lines of it was the only place he could go get a big pair of tits in his face and feel like a 'normal' guy. He felt like society judged him and once a week went somewhere he could pretend he was like any other guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
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    I posted my opinion on this topic. You obviously felt inclined to challenge me in your usually annoying, condescending creepy kind of way. It was YOU who responded to ME, not the other way around. I do not have to justify my opinions to anyone, much less some assclown like you on a stripper forum. While I enjoy friendly banter and the occasional heated discussions here on SW with most folks, your misplaced arrogance and know-it-all attitude makes dealing with you a painful chore.

    If it's not obvious to you by now, let me make it clear : I do not give a rat's ass what you think about ANYTHING. If you don't like what I've posted then DON'T READ IT. Better yet - put me on ignore so that you don't have to see it. I am going to now use that feature on you to spare myself of any future drivel that you choose to pollute this board with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    That's for them to decide, not you. They go to the conversion clinics voluntarily, sometimes because they already "hate" being homosexual, and not because they were told they should hate it. The fact is we have no scientific reason to believe that homosexuality is good, so you have no reason to insist that it is. They need to find out for themselves. There is more pain in being unsure about oneself than searching for real answers. If it turns out homosexuality is wrong, and some don't find out until they are advanced in age, that would be more painful than if they went to some trouble to be sure earlier in life. Because you have no reason to be sure.
    And what do "conversion clinics" have to do with "scientific reason"? You're conflating two arguments here. The idea that homosexuality is "wrong" is based in religious nonsense (redundant). Those who are against homosexuality don't express objection from a platform of science, but from one of morals and pearl-clutching indignation.

    The very fact that you're using words like "good" or "wrong" show that you aren't separating your own emotional and moral views from the argument at hand. An individual's sexuality, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is neither good nor bad, moral nor immoral. It simply IS.

    You imply that these "clinics" are logical places for someone "unsure" about their sexuality to go. While that might be true on the surface, it is the self-doubt and self-hatred combined with being unsure that leads troubled people to seek "help" in these bullshit clinics. That self-doubt exists because there is hatred and judgment about homosexuality. It's not an organic, natural desire that leads people there. It's fear of being hated.

    And all this makes about as much sense as judging someone based on eye-color. Nobody cares whether or not you think it's "good", because it is neither up to you nor does it affect you in any way. What another person does with his or her genitalia has NO bearing on your life or anyone else's but theirs.

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    I dunno about converting anyone, but I had a very adorable gay friend who became obsessed with this Japanese girl that lived in our neighborhood. One day she cornered him at a party and basically raped him. They became inseperable after that. Really he was 100% gay. He used to be very promiscuous with men, wear my stripper clothes and a little blonde wig while he would troll the gay cruise looking for a piece of ass. I will never understand it. They were defitely the ODD couple but they were happy. Also Alan's makeup supply and wardrobe doubled while he and Lin were dating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post

    Since you are questioning mine, what do you base your impressions on?


    My personal feelings are live & let live. Who am I to decide if the way someone wants to live their life is right or wrong? As long as they are not hurting me or impacting me directly....who cares? Who are you or I to judge someone else's lifestyle? The average gay person , without social disrimination or bullying, would appear to want to live a peaceful, productive life. Who are they impacting? Who are they hurting? How does a gay person going about their daily life affect YOU? How would we like it if others judged us based on one aspect of our daily lives? How would you like it?
    So you're waiting for science to let us all know if homosexuality is "OK"? How do you suppose they are going to decide that? Based on what? Long ago it was decreed that homosexuality wasn't a mental illness. What genre of science is searching for a diffinative answer to whether homosexuality is "right" or "wrong"? I can see research into its origins in our biochemistry or how our cells process information to determine whether a person is predetermined to be homosexual. But to determine "right" or "wrong"? WTF?

    I have only been on this board a short itme, but I can already see that you are someone I don't want to deal with anymore. You offend me, and by the judging of responses to your posts that I have seen, you offend many others as well.

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    Really, the only "threat" that gay people pose, is the idea that they could seduce "straight" men and turn them gay.

    Threat to a woman: Finding out that your BF or husband is cruising the gay bars and gay bathhouses when he is out of town.

    Threat to mom and dad: Finding out your "straight" son (who's always been very hetero - loved sports and dated hot girls) experimented with gay sex in college and has an obsession with receiving and giving oral sex from/to other guys - and that your expectations of him settling down with a lovely wife one day and giving you grandchildren may never materialize.

    Many "conservatives" believe that men are latently bisexual and can be "corrupted" into seeking the "dark pleasures" of homosexuality. This is the greatest fear - that homosexuality will spread like a virus.

    Regardless of how you feel about homosexual activity, I think there is some truth to the idea that, by removing the stigma from homosexual activity, the likely effect would be a significant increase of the number of men who experiment with homosexual activity, and ultimately, a drastic increase of the number of men who choose to live as homosexuals. (Yes, I know that some men are BORN gay... but, I'm talking about bisexual men who CHOOSE to live the gay lifestyle.)

    This has been seen historically (e.g., early Greek civilizations) and in prisons, and many famous psychologist (including Sigmund Freud) have declared that humans are, by their nature, bisexual; that social programming is the only thing that prevents them from experimenting with homosexuality (the fact that the female "g-spot" is outside her vagina and the "male g-spot" is inside his a-hole says something about nature's sense of sex humor).

    In Alexander the Great's army, soldiers were encouraged to practice homosexual love and sex, because it would make them fight more passionately against their enemies. The pressure was to be gay, and most of the soldiers obliged.

    What would be the effect of a society with a very high gay or bisexual population? Would the genders get along better or would a greater rift ensue? Would infidelity increase (because men couldn't get total satisfaction from their wives)? Would the population decrease significantly over the next generations (because of the substantial increase of gay non-breeding couples)?
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    Ok Im sorry, what? Are you seriously saying that strippers should try and turn gay men straight?? Why in the hell would any of us want to do that? Maybe instead of taking him to a female strip club you can take him to a gay bar or something so that he can learn to be comfortable in and embrace his sexuality. There's nothing wrong with being gay and his mom can have grandkids anyway. I can think of many gay couples who have children. You're not helping anyone by trying to "convert" him. Gay isn't a choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    ^ Homosexuality has proven itself itself "good" for a few things - they make good interior designers, fashion designers, stylists, artists, etc... and... some people think they raise property values when they move into a neighborhood...
    This is a myth. Statistically the proportion of creative individuals among homosexuals is no more than that of heterosexuals. Perhaps you mean that they are more image conscious. It's true that homosexuals are numerous in some artistic or creative professions, but that does not mean that they are representative of all or most homosexuals. In some cases it is nothing to do with creativity. For example, they dominate the art administration because they have networked to help each other gain positions in it, not because of artistic talent or knowledge. The homosexuals in administration obviously have no idea about art, because the administration has done little but promote bad art, e.g. the "contemporary arts", which is very cynical and really about politics and money rather than art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I posted my opinion on this topic. You obviously felt inclined to challenge me in your usually annoying, condescending creepy kind of way. It was YOU who responded to ME, not the other way around. I do not have to justify my opinions to anyone, much less some assclown like you on a stripper forum.

    While I enjoy friendly banter and the occasional heated discussions here on SW with most folks, your misplaced arrogance and know-it-all attitude makes dealing with you a painful chore.
    In this case there is no justification for your opinion so you should not have said it at all. I criticised it because it was wrong and I explained why. I don't know what is creepy about that. I'm condescending toward people who are condescending toward me and that includes you.

    If it's not obvious to you by now, let me make it clear : I do not give a rat's ass what you think about ANYTHING.
    I can tell.

    If you don't like what I've posted then DON'T READ IT. Better yet - put me on ignore so that you don't have to see it.
    I don't know whether I like it before I read it and I'm not going to ignore it because other people read it too.

    I am going to now use that feature on you to spare myself of any future drivel that you choose to pollute this board with.
    You are the one who is polluting. First with your unjust comments about homosexuals and then with your vile attack on me.
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    And what do "conversion clinics" have to do with "scientific reason"? You're conflating two arguments here. The idea that homosexuality is "wrong" is based in religious nonsense (redundant). Those who are against homosexuality don't express objection from a platform of science, but from one of morals and pearl-clutching indignation.
    I am not necessarily endorsing conversion clinics. I was defending homosexuals in general who seek any kind of treatment, which includes ordinary psychiatric help (which is termed "conversion therapy" but should not be confused with "conversion clinics").

    It is not only religious people who think that homosexuality is aberrant. The psychiatric profession originally did also, and psychiatry was founded on non-religious assumptions (e.g. Freud rejected religion).

    Havelock Ellis was not religious and was friendly toward homosexuals but he believed it was a disorder. Arthur Janov rejected religion and God and believed that homosexuality was a result of the deepest level of neurosis. Health writer Ross Horne classed homosexuality as a severe mental disorder on completely non-religious grounds. I am not saying their prognoses were right, i'm just pointing out that their belief that homosexuality is a disorder was not based on religion.

    Almost all societies throughout history and all over the world disapproved of homosexuality, not just Christian fundamentalists in the west this century. Communist regimes outlaw homosexuality in communist countries. In the USSR the sentence was five years in jail. In Cuba, Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra sent any male who even looked effeminate to prison camps which dispayed the slogan "Work will make men of you" on their walls. In China homosexuals are socially discriminated against by the government. Communists are atheist, so Christian fundamentalism probably have nothing to do with it. Many people I know from nominally non-Western countries strongly disapprove of homosexuality.

    You can't make this an argument about religion.

    The idea that homosexuality is normal originated with Evelyn Hooker's biased and methodologically flawed 1957 study purporting to show that the incidence of psychological problems among homosexuals is no greater than among heterosexuals and with the completely baseless but loud insistence of modern gay activists that homosexuality is normal. Hooker conducted her "study" at the request of and in cooperation with one of the first organised homosexual activiest groups, the Mattachine Society, which was primarily a political organisation.

    The very fact that you're using words like "good" or "wrong" show that you aren't separating your own emotional and moral views from the argument at hand. An individual's sexuality, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is neither good nor bad, moral nor immoral. It simply IS.
    I'm not talking about the morality. The question is whether homosexuality healthy and normal or a disorder.

    You imply that these "clinics" are logical places for someone "unsure" about their sexuality to go. While that might be true on the surface, it is the self-doubt and self-hatred combined with being unsure that leads troubled people to seek "help" in these bullshit clinics. That self-doubt exists because there is hatred and judgment about homosexuality. It's not an organic, natural desire that leads people there. It's fear of being hated.
    You don't know that, you are just assuming it. If homosexuality is a disorder, then both homosexuals themselves and society have a reason to disapprove of it. Disapproving of homosexuality doesn't mean that one hates homosexuals..

    And all this makes about as much sense as judging someone based on eye-color.
    This is just your assumption, it is not an argument.

    Nobody cares whether or not you think it's "good", because it is neither up to you nor does it affect you in any way. What another person does with his or her genitalia has NO bearing on your life or anyone else's but theirs.
    I was not talking about what homosexuals do with their genitalia, I was talking about the condition itself. Not all homosexuals do practice it.. If society ignores the question of whether homosexuality is good or bad and accepts it unquestioningly, it has consequences which affect everybody..
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    Quote Originally Posted by sclvr5005 View Post
    My personal feelings are live & let live. Who am I to decide if the way someone wants to live their life is right or wrong? As long as they are not hurting me or impacting me directly....who cares?
    I did not say anything about telling homosexuals what to do. I was criticizing lopaw for judging what they do.

    Who are you or I to judge someone else's lifestyle?
    We make judgments about what others do all the time. That is unavoidable. It is not the same as telling them what to do.

    The average gay person , without social discrimination or bullying, would appear to want to live a peaceful, productive life. Who are they impacting? Who are they hurting? How does a gay person going about their daily life affect YOU?
    I would be happy if that is all homosexuals did want to do. Most of them probably would be happy to do just that. (However, it would still adversely affect homosexuals themselves.) But homosexual activists and their straight supporters do not go about their daily life. They are telling everybody, including homosexuals who disagree, that we are not allowed to disapprove of, question or criticize homosexuality, without giving any reason for dictating this to us. We are expected to believe that homosexuality is good "just because it is". It cannot be discussed in schools, universities, the psychiatric profession, churches etc. Parents cannot seek treatment for their children if they are homosexual, or even question whether his condition is healthy or harmful to the child. This is very oppressive and ignorant. It is no different to imposing a religious doctrine on society.

    How would we like it if others judged us based on one aspect of our daily lives? How would you like it?
    I didn't say we should judge homosexuals completely based on the fact that they are homosexual.

    So you're waiting for science to let us all know if homosexuality is "OK"? How do you suppose they are going to decide that? Based on what? Long ago it was decreed that homosexuality wasn't a mental illness. What genre of science is searching for a diffinative answer to whether homosexuality is "right" or "wrong"? I can see research into its origins in our biochemistry or how our cells process information to determine whether a person is predetermined to be homosexual. But to determine "right" or "wrong"? WTF?
    Right, it was decreed that homosexuality is normal, not proven. Big difference.

    Of course science doesn't deal with morality. I am talking about whether homosexuality is sound, not moral. Science could do a lot to try to determine whether homosexuality is sound or unsound, the same as it has determined things which we know now are physical and mental disorders. Since science hasn't anwered that question as yet, you have no justification for your own opinion that it is sound any more than I have scientific reason for my opinion that it is not..

    I have only been on this board a short itme, but I can already see that you are someone I don't want to deal with anymore. You offend me, and by the judging of responses to your posts that I have seen, you offend many others as well.
    That's okay, I really just post responses like this for intelligent people to read. You didn't read my comments properly and have read things into them which I did not say. You have not put any thought into your own opinions or done any useful reading into the topic. You are not in a position to judge me for my comments. Obviously you do enjoy being moralistic and judgemental, because you are making a moral judgement against me and for no good reason..
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    Really, the only "threat" that gay people pose, is the idea that they could seduce "straight" men and turn them gay.

    Threat to a woman: Finding out that your BF or husband is cruising the gay bars and gay bathhouses when he is out of town.

    Threat to mom and dad: Finding out your "straight" son (who's always been very hetero - loved sports and dated hot girls) experimented with gay sex in college and has an obsession with receiving and giving oral sex from/to other guys - and that your expectations of him settling down with a lovely wife one day and giving you grandchildren may never materialize.
    If homosexuality is okay, then none of those are really threats. If it is not okay, then they are only threats if everyone believes it is okay and does nothing about it.

    Many "conservatives" believe that men are latently bisexual and can be "corrupted" into seeking the "dark pleasures" of homosexuality. This is the greatest fear - that homosexuality will spread like a virus.

    Regardless of how you feel about homosexual activity, I think there is some truth to the idea that, by removing the stigma from homosexual activity, the likely effect would be a significant increase of the number of men who experiment with homosexual activity, and ultimately, a drastic increase of the number of men who choose to live as homosexuals. (Yes, I know that some men are BORN gay... but, I'm talking about bisexual men who CHOOSE to live the gay lifestyle.)

    This has been seen historically (e.g., early Greek civilizations) and in prisons, and many famous psychologist (including Sigmund Freud) have declared that humans are, by their nature, bisexual; that social programming is the only thing that prevents them from experimenting with homosexuality
    It seems like you are wavering here between saying we are naturally bisexual and only potentially corrupted into being homosexual. Humans are "latently" just about anything, a lot of it bad (drug abusers, killers, manic depressives, pedophies, woman beaters etc.) and it's prevention by "social programming" is not always a bad thing. Since before I even knew what sex was, I have had erections from thinking about girls but never boys. It's hard to explain that as denial of my homsexuality due to social conditioning.

    (the fact that the female "g-spot" is outside her vagina and the "male g-spot" is inside his a-hole says something about nature's sense of sex humor).
    I didn't know males had g-spots. Even the existence of the g-spot in females is controversial.

    In Alexander the Great's army, soldiers were encouraged to practice homosexual love and sex, because it would make them fight more passionately against their enemies. The pressure was to be gay, and most of the soldiers obliged.
    Imprisoned hard criminals, ancient Macedonian soldiers, decadent ancient Greeks - not representative of the general population.

    What would be the effect of a society with a very high gay or bisexual population? Would the genders get along better or would a greater rift ensue? Would infidelity increase (because men couldn't get total satisfaction from their wives)? Would the population decrease significantly over the next generations (because of the substantial increase of gay non-breeding couples)?
    With the undermining of heterosexuality as the norm, the family as the basic unit of society would be undermined. Also, taking away the desire for sexual relations between sexes would lead to alienation of the sexes from one another. Men and women are psychologically different and have different needs and wants, and the sexual bond is one of the few things which fosters understanding between them, out of necessity. Take that away, and there will likely be a war between the sexes.

    There is a political consequence of undermining the family as the unit of society. It would be a step toward a controlled society. Frederich Engels in his "On the Origins of the Family, The State and Private Property" noted that among animals, the monogamous family is indirectly proportional to herd behavior. That is, allegiance to a family unit competes with allegiance to a herd leader or the will of the herd. Guess which one he favored.
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    ^ Hopper, I'm a traditional sort of guy, with a preference for "heterosexuality as the norm", but, I'm not going to condemn or persecute people with alternative lifestyles. If they respect my traditional values regarding my own personal choices then I respect their GLBT lifestyle regarding their personal choices. (Not to mention that I love lesbian porn.)

    I've seen a lot of people coming out of the closet... e.g., a few relatives, friends, even a female bestfriend and former fuck-buddy... I can't condemn them all. Many of them are genuinely nice people.

    A "family unit" can be very viable in a GLBT relationship because there are tens or hundreds of thousands of unwanted babies in the world that can be adopted by them. I know the cons argument - the adopted children of GLBT relationships will suffer the scorn and derision of other children. That doesn't have to happen, though - that's blaming the victim.

    Male G-spot (also referred to as the prostate gland): If you've ever heard (in real life, movies, sitcoms, etc.) about guys that enjoy their GF or wife sticking a finger (strap on, etc.) up his ass, that is due to stimulation of the male G-spot. My opinion - which others disagree with - is that probing this is a leading cause of bisexuality. Its a slippery slope - first your GF's finger, then, your GF's dildo or vibrator, then, she wears a strap-on with an imitation penis and butt-fucks you (some say this is not gay, because a women is wearing the penis), ... after the strap on, the next and final step is to dump your GF and experience a real penis.

    Again, I'm not condemning this,... just saying... Girls who say - "My guy loves it, but he's 100% straight." - are fooling themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Male G-spot (also referred to as the prostate gland): If you've ever heard (in real life, movies, sitcoms, etc.) about guys that enjoy their GF or wife sticking a finger (strap on, etc.) up his ass, that is due to stimulation of the male G-spot. My opinion - which others disagree with - is that probing this is a leading cause of bisexuality. Its a slippery slope - first your GF's finger, then, your GF's dildo or vibrator, then, she wears a strap-on with an imitation penis and butt-fucks you (some say this is not gay, because a women is wearing the penis), ... after the strap on, the next and final step is to dump your GF and experience a real penis.

    Again, I'm not condemning this,... just saying... Girls who say - "My guy loves it, but he's 100% straight." - are fooling themselves.
    Speaking for myself, pal, I condemn it. AFAIC, any guy willing to let anyone stick anything there is already that way inclined (even if the initial sticker is a female).
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    My opinion - which others disagree with - is that probing this is a leading cause of bisexuality...final step is to dump your GF and experience a real penis.
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    Speaking for myself, pal, I condemn it. AFAIC, any guy willing to let anyone stick anything there is already that way inclined (even if the initial sticker is a female).
    Wow, you mean to tell me the only thing standing between you guys and homosexuality has been your ability to avoid having your ass penetrated?

    Holidays are approaching...better watch out for male relatives wanting to hug you.

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    Wow, you mean to tell me the only thing standing between you guys and homosexuality has been your ability to avoid having your ass penetrated?
    And the only thing standing between a "straight" woman turning bi is her ability to avoid having another women eat her pussy.
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    Wow, you mean to tell me the only thing standing between you guys and homosexuality has been your ability to avoid having your ass penetrated?

    Holidays are approaching...better watch out for male relatives wanting to hug you.
    Wow, so you allow your ass to be penetrated and consider yourself straight?
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    Wow, so you allow your ass to be penetrated and consider yourself straight?
    No. I'm saying I'm not so ignorant, fearful, or weak-minded to believe a physical act could have any sort of influence on my orientation, otherwise all those closeted married Republicans and Christian ministers would have become hetero, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    This has been seen historically (e.g., early Greek civilizations) and in prisons, and many famous psychologist (including Sigmund Freud) have declared that humans are, by their nature, bisexual; that social programming is the only thing that prevents them from experimenting with homosexuality (the fact that the female "g-spot" is outside her vagina and the "male g-spot" is inside his a-hole says something about nature's sense of sex humor).
    You may have a point there Jack. Left to their own devices, many more men would become sluts..and not sluts with women either, its much easier to find a man to fuck a man.

    However, the male g-spot is actually on the side of the prostate, near the bladder. The underside of the bladders of males and females have erectile tissue running around them. Its easiest to reach the male's through the rectum, but it doesn't actually reside there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Ernie View Post
    No. I'm saying I'm not so ignorant, fearful, or weak-minded to believe a physical act could have any sort of influence on my orientation, otherwise all those closeted married Republicans and Christian ministers would have become hetero, no?
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    Homosexual behavior occurs in animals. It actually has been seen in many primitive cultures and even in some indigenous cultures today. Read up about the Eskimo/Aleut women of the Arctic Circle.

    Hopper, what does science have to say about homosexuality? Does it have to make sense? No one is assuming its the norm, are they?

    I am coming at this with an open mind Hopper. I am genuinely curios about what you think is aberrant about homosexuality. Is it only gay men? Is it the act of homosexual sex? Is it the dangerous lifestyle practiced by some?

    See, my mom will say some negative things about gays or certain minorities. When I call her on it, she doesn't even know why she thinks that way, its just what she learned as a child in a very backwards place.

    You seem very intelligent, I would love to know what you are getting at?

    The way you felt turned on by girls growing up is the same feeling a gay person gets growing up, towards their own sex. Is it the "norm". No, its a minority sexual orientation. How is it such a horrible psychological disease?

    Thank you for any response, I am all ears and open to hearing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty Ernie View Post
    No. I'm saying I'm not so ignorant, fearful, or weak-minded to believe a physical act could have any sort of influence on my orientation, otherwise all those closeted married Republicans and Christian ministers would have become hetero, no?
    And I'm only saying that if you agree to the physical act, at least an inclination toward the orientation is already there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    And I'm only saying that if you agree to the physical act, at least an inclination toward the orientation is already there.
    Why? If I enjoy a man going down on me, does that mean I have an inclination towards lesbianism because that's something lesbians do? If I let someone put their finger in my ass does it mean I'm actually a gay man?

    What the hell does a specific act have to do with orientation? It's about the sex of the person PERFORMING the act, not the act in itself. I can't seriously believe you think a guy is going to magically become homosexual because he discovers the pleasure derived from a prostate massage.
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    That's just your fear talking. It's a butthole note an "ON" button for homosexuality. It's just where they have to play, otherwise there's no inherent relationship between it and sexual orientation.

    Lots of strippers are fond of flicking, pulling, even biting a guys nipples during a LD. Does this qualify as enough of an emasculating act to create more gay men? Have you really ever had a moment during sex with a woman where she did something that you enjoyed, but caused you to worry whether you may start being attracted to men?

    p.s. The prevalent gay act is more likely blowjobs rather than anal sex. Better give those up too.

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    It's a butthole not an "ON" button for homosexuality.
    So funny, and so true! Thank you.
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