




"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill




When did we move from a finger up the butt to a full strap on?
Usually that type of thing is a game of dominance anyway, the strap on thing onto a male. The butt finger means nothing except that its an area with a lot of nerve endings in the right place.
Lots of people like games of dominance and submission, no matter what their orientation is.
I just fail to see the logic that a finger in the butt makes a man gay. And from what I know from real, actual gay men...Dirty Ernie is absolutely correct..anal sex isn't a regular thing.
Hell, I probably get fucked in the ass more than more gay guys.![]()





When I entered the thread, that's where the conversation seemed to be. I didn't read the three dozen or so preceding entries.
"never trust a big butt and a smile"-- Bell Biv DeVoe
If you're in your twenties and aren't a liberal, you have no heart. If you're in you're forties and aren't a conservative, you have no brain - Winston Churchill





Psychologists, sociologists and antropologists would disagree with you and explain that so-called "sexual orientation" is nothing more than social programming. It is subject to being expanded or altered, it is not fixed. Romantic attraction might be more cemented by influences like your mother (or father, in the case of a woman), but sexual pleasure is fluid.
I have a lesbian best friend who is very involved in the gay scene in Dallas. She explained to me that there are a "straight" men that occasionally engage in homosexual activities, not because they are bisexual, but because they are "kinky". I debated with her on this. It seems that "straight" men can venture into all sorts of gay activities and preserve their "hetero" label, so long as everyone plays along with the the random definitions and labels. The gay dudes are willing to play along, in order to get more dudes to come to the party.
The point is this - they slightly altered or adjusted their social programming and rationalized their behavior like this - "I am a heterosexual because I'm only attracted to females and I only want to mate with females,.... but,... if no woman is willing or available, I'll settle for a blowjob from a queer."
According to Massachusetts General Hospital (the original and largest teaching hospital of Harvard Medical School):
"About twenty-five percent of heterosexual adolescent males have had mutual masturbation with another male by age fourteen and about sixty percent of gay males report that practice by age fourteen years. By mid adolescence, most heterosexual males stop mutual masturbation with another male although up to ninety percent of gay males have practiced mutual masturbation by age nineteen years."
http://www.mgh.harvard.edu/children/...turbation.aspx
The social programming tells them that the pleasurable activity is "gay", so they stop by mid adolescence.
To me, its very simple - if a guy gets you off (masturbation, BJ or anal-sex) or if you fantasize with a guy getting you off (i.e., while your GF's finger or strap-on is up your butt) - you are either gay or bi.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde









Mr. Miagi - This thread is about converting someone "straight".
What does it mean to be "straight"? What does it mean to not be "straight"?
Its deep philosophical stuff, Mr. Miagi, but, we need to ponder the profound complexity of these labels, in order to proceed to answer the original question.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde
Cut it out ... you're making me hot
If I had a dollar for every time I've said that ...
It is?
I thought it was about my girlfriend fingering my ass leading to my pre-inclination for YMCA shower room gang bangs.
"I think good pussy has a "tangy" taste to it, a little sweet with a little salty twang....." Katrine
Post #26
I'm saying that science has not established that it is good, which means it could be bad, and people have no reason to insist that it is good. I do not think it is good. There is no "thin scientific guise" - science really hasn't proven it.
Post #35
The homosexuals in administration obviously have no idea about art, because the administration has done little but promote bad art, e.g. the "contemporary arts", which is very cynical and really about politics and money rather than art.
Post #37
If homosexuality is a disorder, then both homosexuals themselves and society have a reason to disapprove of it.
I was not talking about what homosexuals do with their genitalia, I was talking about the condition itself. Not all homosexuals do practice it.. If society ignores the question of whether homosexuality is good or bad and accepts it unquestioningly, it has consequences which affect everybody..
Post #38
you have no justification for your own opinion that it is sound any more than I have scientific reason for my opinion that it is not..
Obviously you do enjoy being moralistic and judgemental, because you are making a moral judgement against me and for no good reason..
Post #39
With the undermining of heterosexuality as the norm, the family as the basic unit of society would be undermined. Also, taking away the desire for sexual relations between sexes would lead to alienation of the sexes from one another. Men and women are psychologically different and have different needs and wants, and the sexual bond is one of the few things which fosters understanding between them, out of necessity. Take that away, and there will likely be a war between the sexes.
Post #40
My opinion - which others disagree with - is that probing this is a leading cause of bisexuality. Its a slippery slope - first your GF's finger, then, your GF's dildo or vibrator, then, she wears a strap-on with an imitation penis and butt-fucks you (some say this is not gay, because a women is wearing the penis), ... after the strap on, the next and final step is to dump your GF and experience a real penis.
Post #47
And I'm only saying that if you agree to the physical act, at least an inclination toward the orientation is already there.
wtf am i missing here?
* head shake and wanders off *

Oh - haven't you heard?
The evil homosexual menace is apparently plotting to undermine heterosexual families, wage war between the sexes, and pretty much take over the world and force heterosexuals to accept their agenda as being "normal" & "acceptable". The nerve!
And all of this will come about when "science", because it has nothing better to do, will see on their ouija boards that homosexuality is "bad", and deem for all homosexuals to have a bloodletting before being burned at the stake.
Now don't you feel silly for not keeping up on these things?
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jeez
no wonder my world has turned to shite
* looks askance and wanders off ... this time looking seriously alarmed *





^ I don't condemn "gay" or "bisexual" men. More power to them - women can be a major source of irritation sometimes. (Just kidding.)
My only point is that if you are a man and you open your back door to penetration by penis-like objects, and derive intense pleasure from being penetrated, your body is made bi-sexual. The only thing keeping you from enjoying a man's penis is your fear of social stigma.
I'm not condemning this, I'm just saying... Why does this upset people so much?... Who is the homophobe?
Last edited by jack0177057; 11-30-2010 at 07:59 PM.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde




People tell me we have grown up/evolved... then I read this and it shows how we really have changed.. not even a inch..




Its not homophobic, its just incorrect. If I like receiving oral sex, does that make me bisexual? No, I like having sex with women, THAT makes me bisexual.
OTOH, I do agree with you that most people do have degrees of multi-sexuality in them. But I just don't think its "triggered" by wanting anal action. A finger isn't penis shaped by its own virtue, but its in a shape that can easily go up the rectum. And what about poop? Its shaped a certain way to exit? What does the shape have to do with anything?
I have a bi guy friend who has fantasies about sucking off other guys, or having it done to him, but is very opposed to having his ass penetrated in any way. See what I mean here? As another poster said, the butthole is not an on switch for the ghey.





^ That's the thing about sexual pleasure, if you're "open minded" enough, you can be pleasured by anything or anybody... a sock, a pillow, apple pie, an sheep, a dog, a person's hand, a person's mouth, etc. - you don't have to be romantically attracted to the sock, the pillow, the animal or the person. (I've heard one argument that humans are actually poly-sexual, not bi-sexual, because they can also get off with animals and objects.) However, a dude doesn't fuck a sheep, regardless of how pleasurable that may be, because its taboo, unsanitary and social stigma would attach.
I guess a finger seems innocuous, except that people are never quite satisfied with anything and always want more. A virgin girl may be happy with one finger inside her, but eventually she wants 2 fingers, and then, she craves dick.
I'm not saying that all bi-sexual dudes must go through the same initiation ceremony (anal action), there are probably many other paths that lead to the same destination. I once heard an author being interviewed on the radio and he said the he chose to go bi, simply because he was no good at picking up women and gay men hit on him - he merely wanted sexual release and was very "open minded" and practical about it.
Women are meant to be loved, not to be understood.
- Oscar Wilde
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