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    Quote Originally Posted by salemsexy View Post
    thats a fantastic point even i never looked at it that way but it's true! I have had many guys who knew i was playing the other customers and would giggle to me saying im glad you don't play me lol...

    they don't want to believe it's happening to them and thatd when you know a dancers game is good!!
    I'm not sure if your comments are meant to apply to me as well, but I suppose it's possible that I also just think it's only the other guys who get hustled.

    There's only one dancer that, looking back on it, I realize I bought a lot of dances from because I liked her and not the dances. She was extremely good looking, but her dances were pretty mechanical. She was very smart, but not a big reader, was only interested in what directly affected her life. She rarely expressed any interest in anything about me. She was an extremely quiet, calm person, but also fearless. She did wild pole work, and did various dangerous sports. Because she was quiet and had a high-pitched voice, a lot of asshole customers would try to verbally intimidate her. She would wouldn't get into with them, she'd just stare back at them with a "bring it, motherfucker" look on her face. She could be odd at times, she once describe her morning's trip to the grocery store in the middle of a lap dance. I would guess none of that was an act, I just got conned by her authentic self.

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    Men like to believe there's some trick we're using, like it's not completely their choice. That they were tricked into spending all that money. Yes, thinking you might get your nut off at some point is real complicated to figure out
    Ha ha, you didn't trick me! I creamed in my tighty-whities for free just looking at your avatar .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I think it's fascinating to watch a dancer I don't know approach me with that look on her face that says "hmmmmm.....how do I hustle HER?" Most start off shy and unsure of what to do or what to say. But after we chat a bit and they realize that I respond to what most PL's respond to, they relax and just do their normal hustle (or at least that's how I interpret it), consisting of alot of touching and sexy talk,which is always fun for me and usually very prosperous for them. I'm definitely not complainin'.

    But I don't want to give this factor too much thought because I want to suspend reality when I enter a club, and psycho-analyzing what a dancer may or may not do would ruin the fantasy for me.
    I dont really think I hustle lesbians. I genuinely like them Sometimes I might come off shy cause Im nervous but for the most part Im like, "yay! someone I can dance for and Im gonna enjoy it!". God there is this one that comes into the club and I hate it when she sits on the stage because I become so clumsy, my face goes bright red and I feel retarded. She is soooo hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    I want to suspend reality when I enter a club, and psycho-analyzing what a dancer may or may not do would ruin the fantasy for me.
    I worry about this! When I enter the club, I don't even want a girl, stranger or fav, to move in on me and try to make something happen right away. A hug, some brief chit-chat is great, but I need a little time to leave reality behind and start to feel the possibilities of where I am. So I normally sit at the bar and chat with the bartender and wait to see what will happen, and with whom.

    Since I have been on SW I have learned so much about how strippers practice their craft, and about how other patrons go about seeking what they want, as well. Very valuable, but...

    Before, I would just take the $$ I thought I could spare, head to the club where I would see the hottest or friendliest girls, and try to have the most fun I could without getting too drunk to drive home. That's still what I try to do, but after all the threads about extras girls, hustle tactics, etc, it's harder to just accept the strip club for what it is, a unique venue for entertainment. But I will, anyway.

    I know more now about what they're up to. I've gotten the message from previous threads about not wasting their time, saying yes or no, but I still like it when a young woman in a bikini comes up to talk to me. That doesn't happen much in the cheap drink bars.

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    I just try to figure out what type of girl the customer wants ie. innocent, party girl, brain, bimbo, etc. and act the way I think they want me to. I will base this on their appearance and behaviour. Usually older guys want me to seem smart but innocent. Asian guys (they love me so thats why they get their own category) - innocent and quiet. Gang types, alpha males etc. - dumb, party-bimbo. At first Ill just add little things to my core personality and if I get positive reinforcement then I continue.

    I am a high self-monitor anyway - which for those who dont know anything abut psych means I model my behaviour all the time on others reactions and behaviours. I dont do it intentionally, it is part of my personality. High self-monitors often get a bad rap because they can be seen as two-faced due to perception of others that we are changing our personality. But the thing is that it is part of our personality to be flexible and adapt.

    Smart learning to model your behaviour to each customer you come in contact with is a part of being a great salesman or woman lol ..

    The best sales people in any business understand being on each persons level is how to win.. the fact you do it just natural is even better..

    it's something they teach if you have ever had a regualr sales job non -Adult..

    Like in timeshare yuk however they show you how to act and react in a way that makes a person you want to sell feel safe with you..

    Like if someone is very soft spoken you want to reply to them soft spoken.

    If someone is more of a load talker you want to put your voice to match theres.

    Matching vocal tones is a known sales tactic. Making someone feel you are just like them makes them like you.

    Her point was very smart and holds true.

    Back before i became a dancer years ago I had some hardcore sales jobs like walking up to people and selling them perfume, Granted I hated this and felt like i wanted to kill myself the whole week i worked there but there was one girl who was a master at this and taught me that your not really selling the item you are selling yourself.

    I would watch her sell all day long. Having jobs like this at a very young age before i started dancing taught me many tricks that without thinking i used once i became a dancer. And i do well..

    however i still don't think i can sell the perfume and i never wanna try again! Yuk just not for me.

    I had so many sales jobs that i can spot a true salesman and there diff types of game anytime i come in contact with one.

    With timeshare they sell you on your hopes, dreams and inner fears , that kinda salesman bothers me the most because they will say anything to lie to you to get the sale.

    It can be a conflit for me because selling dances all night long at a club, i feel like im prying on mans sexual needs and I am. Thats why im there and i tell myself anytime i start to feel bad once in a blue moon that if they did not want me to play them they would not come to a strip club fantasy enviroment. Fantasy not being real! So im not being real and not being my true self thats how i keep going and doing what i do.

    Since im at a board i feel safe saying the truth sometimes i do feel bad about feeling like i trick people into dropping that kinda money on me but thats the job and after 10 years of doing it i mastered a art of being cold and numb to it. It's not who i am in real life..

    and please guys don't say im a terrible person for being honest remember this is stripper web and i nor any of the dancers come here to be judged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salemsexy View Post
    It can be a conflit for me because selling dances all night long at a club, i feel like im prying on mans sexual needs and I am. Thats why im there and i tell myself anytime i start to feel bad once in a blue moon that if they did not want me to play them they would not come to a strip club fantasy enviroment. Fantasy not being real! So im not being real and not being my true self thats how i keep going and doing what i do.

    Since im at a board i feel safe saying the truth sometimes i do feel bad about feeling like i trick people into dropping that kinda money on me but thats the job and after 10 years of doing it i mastered a art of being cold and numb to it. It's not who i am in real life..
    Salemsexy, thanks for your honesty. Your skills are impressive.

    I've got a LTR, so when I go to the SC, I'm not looking to find true love or a GF or sex. All the flirting and "hustle" for me is just fun and fantasy, I enjoy it.

    But, yeah, if a lonely guy with no GF gets hustled big time in the SC and develops a big "crush" on a dancer, he might end up hurt.

    A very long time ago, when I was a little vulnerable, I met an awesome dancer whom I could have fallen in love with. What saved me was that she told me, during our pre-LD conversation, that she was happily married and that everything in the SC was just fantasy. (Why was she so honest? Did she noticed that I was at a vulnerable point in my life?) Her dance was very sensual and sweet - it was as "romantic" as it was erotic. I wasn't "hustled," because she made the disclosure upfront that her performance was just a "fantasy"... Yet, she used all the best tools of the very best "hustler" (flirting, gazy look in her eyes, deep penetrating eye contact, touching my face in a GF manner, etc. -- maximum attraction achieved) and my experience with her has been one of the most memorable LD experiences ever, despite the fact that they were very "clean" dances (albeit with a few soft kisses on the lips, closed mouth). Her performance would have been LETHAL to me, if she had not given me the disclosure in advance. Obviously, she wasn't a bad and manipulative person, she was just extremely talented in performing fantasies and she was very psychologically intuitive - she new exactly the type of fantasy I wanted.

    Its a mistake to think that every customer in the SC is motivated by PURELY SEXUAL cravings. Sometimes a man wants a little tenderness and "romance"... Sometimes, what he needs the most is an ego boost... Sometimes, he's just bored and wants a little fun and laughter... or he just wants someone to listen to him and treat him like he's an interesting person... (I still don't get why men would go into a SC and pay for conversations only, but based on the posts in another thread, this does happen.)

    Reading the custie, and what he is looking for in the SC, is probably the most important skill a dancer can have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by majordon View Post

    Before, I would just take the $$ I thought I could spare, head to the club where I would see the hottest or friendliest girls, and try to have the most fun I could without getting too drunk to drive home. That's still what I try to do, but after all the threads about extras girls, hustle tactics, etc, it's harder to just accept the strip club for what it is, a unique venue for entertainment. But I will, anyway.
    Boy, do I hear ya!
    It is very hard to not become jaded, even as a customer, especially after many years of clubbing. Once the new, shiny awe of it all wears off, we're all left with the harsh reality of what an SC really is. That is, if we choose to consciously see it. Even after all this time, I still walk into most every SC with a sense of novelty and newness - like a perverted kid in a candy store! It (along with ALOT of reduced drama) is the main reason I shy away from having "fave's" these days. The promise of walking into a club and meeting a new face is a big part of the draw for me. Reading SW really hasn't changed my view too much - if anything it's enhanced my fun to a certain degree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessie_tinydancer View Post
    I dont really think I hustle lesbians. I genuinely like them Sometimes I might come off shy cause Im nervous but for the most part Im like, "yay! someone I can dance for and Im gonna enjoy it!". God there is this one that comes into the club and I hate it when she sits on the stage because I become so clumsy, my face goes bright red and I feel retarded. She is soooo hot!

    I think it's pretty darn adorable when a dancer acts all shy & clumsy around me. She's sure to empty out my wallet.

    Wait a minute.....I think I just realized the "hustle" for lesbians! Doh!

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    im not really that good at readjusting my personality with every different guy. i may show more of a part of myself i believe the customer would want but i cant transfer from A to B and admire people who can.
    I'm generally fun, flirty and seductive when im working. That combination suits me and majority of custys.

    when i hustle i use positive reinforcement. nodding, using words like absolutely, of course, definitely, smiling etc its like urging on a small child.
    i usually order one drink with them, have a chat, find out what theyre like, here for etc, introduce private/shower show, if theyre ready we go. if not, i look at their reaction, start talking about the show, complement the girl on stage saying how much i enjoyed a show with her, tell some naughty stories what went on and what i look forward to, ask again. if theyre reasonably buttered up but iffy iffy i just push it a bit, flirt, positive reinforcement etc. if theyre firmly say no and mean it i smile and excuse myself. ^ i continue to flirt, find out what we would agree on, if we want another girl etc and bam go.

    i do this in space of drinking one standard glass of drink. once i finish it and theyre not showing signs of now [or ever] being ready i leave and repeat the above with someone else.

    but it is taylored around the individual.

    thats my usual formula on a moderately busy night.

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    Im not sure what I do.. but when Im at work, I usually read out what type of person they are.. I tend to read out whether they are jerks, time-wasters, normal guys, funny etc and follow that lead. Everytime I do approach anyone, I smile and say hello and start a regular conversation which leads to flirting then touching then asking. Usually this is the way it goes.. Im a natural flirt with guys, so my touches are natural, my flirts come natural, but my laugh and conversations are fake since I dont care for most, I am just trying to achieve my "goal". I make lots of eye-contact and focus on the customer as if its I met them, I like them, we have things in interest. My conversations always follow them and I talk about what they like and include my knowlegde to their interest.

    I do get those jerks who play games back saying "I know how this works, you're just trying to get me upstairs." with those guys.. they either end up wanting extras, time-wasters or guys who only get 1-2 dances. I smile and act in a conversation with them of their interest.. but since my flirting comes naturally.. its more difficult for me, so I go into a mood where I try to relate as much as I can and focus on being funny with them. But since that always does not work some of them say something rude, I go to their level and play their little insult game without rude words.. that usually ends up with them going up since they know their being jerks, waste my time, or when I know that is going to start I leave right away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurcon View Post
    I wonder why these guys are so interested in our psychological tricks.

    More than that... why are we telling them? If they want to know our secrets, at least make them do a little leg work on this terribly public forum.
    Agreed sista. It's bad enough HH is viewable for EVERYBODY too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisca View Post
    Im not sure what I do.. but when Im at work, I usually read out what type of person they are.. I tend to read out whether they are jerks, time-wasters, normal guys, funny etc and follow that lead. Everytime I do approach anyone, I smile and say hello and start a regular conversation which leads to flirting then touching then asking. Usually this is the way it goes.. Im a natural flirt with guys, so my touches are natural, my flirts come natural, but my laugh and conversations are fake since I dont care for most, I am just trying to achieve my "goal". I make lots of eye-contact and focus on the customer as if its I met them, I like them, we have things in interest. My conversations always follow them and I talk about what they like and include my knowlegde to their interest.

    I do get those jerks who play games back saying "I know how this works, you're just trying to get me upstairs." with those guys.. they either end up wanting extras, time-wasters or guys who only get 1-2 dances. I smile and act in a conversation with them of their interest.. but since my flirting comes naturally.. its more difficult for me, so I go into a mood where I try to relate as much as I can and focus on being funny with them. But since that always does not work some of them say something rude, I go to their level and play their little insult game without rude words.. that usually ends up with them going up since they know their being jerks, waste my time, or when I know that is going to start I leave right away.
    Also bc his stupid ass stripper exgf told him "how it works", and he comes into the damn strip clubs to try to pick up a stripper and waste her time. I've had plenty of these dumb shit heads come in to try and waste my time...I don't even bother talking back, I just walk away & leave him talking to himself. LOL.

    So fkn irritating...why not accept the fact that's it's an ENTERTAINMENT establishment, not reality...go with it, have fun & stop trying to twist our ovaries.

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    ^ haha yeah 'my gf was a very high class dancer at [insert low-end laughable club with brothel lisence here] i know how this all works'

    basically i wasnt revealing my hustle to the guys [i doubt they live in my area anyway] i find we can learn something from each other in this thread to incorporate and become more successful at our job

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    Quote Originally Posted by salemsexy View Post
    It can be a conflit for me because selling dances all night long at a club, i feel like im prying on mans sexual needs and I am. Thats why im there and i tell myself anytime i start to feel bad once in a blue moon that if they did not want me to play them they would not come to a strip club fantasy enviroment. Fantasy not being real! So im not being real and not being my true self thats how i keep going and doing what i do.

    Since im at a board i feel safe saying the truth sometimes i do feel bad about feeling like i trick people into dropping that kinda money on me but thats the job and after 10 years of doing it i mastered a art of being cold and numb to it. It's not who i am in real life..

    and please guys don't say im a terrible person for being honest remember this is stripper web and i nor any of the dancers come here to be judged.

    bye girls
    Salem, deep down I know full well that when we meet in the club, you are not my girlfriend. If you can convince me for just that brief time that you are, you have earned your fair compensation. (I'm too grown-up now to wreck my finances with 5-figure extravaganzas. I think. I hope .) If you did a better job than anyone I've met lately, it'll be you I'm looking for the next time I return with more discretionary funds.

    I'm sure there are always guys who go overboard, but some lessons have to be learned by your own mistakes - not all of us get to have a strip-club mentor. For myself, I only get played (about) as much as I want to, and if your hustle is good-natured and not too hasty and mercenary, I'm happy to cooperate.

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    i smile act like i really care and and ask alot of question that the anwser will be yes b4 i ask for a dance get them in the habit also nodding your head yes when u ask helps alot
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post

    Its a mistake to think that every customer in the SC is motivated by PURELY SEXUAL cravings. Sometimes a man wants a little tenderness and "romance"... Sometimes, what he needs the most is an ego boost... Sometimes, he's just bored and wants a little fun and laughter... or he just wants someone to listen to him and treat him like he's an interesting person... (I still don't get why men would go into a SC and pay for conversations only, but based on the posts in another thread, this does happen.)

    Reading the custie, and what he is looking for in the SC, is probably the most important skill a dancer can have.
    Do u think this holds true in a place like Vegas where guys come into town for conventions or bachelor parties or just to party and usually in groups. I've only danced in 2 other cities and very briefly and to me the ego boost thing is across the board in any city however I feel guys do come here to fufill sexual cravings mostly because it's what society and the media has told them to do. I think what makes the hustle slightly harder is the fact that a lot of guys that come in, do so more because it's a rite of passage so to speak..... They don't frequent clubs in thier homestates but when in Vegas, they can't leave without seeing a Vegas stripclub. I just wonder because when I think about the psychology of my hustle I realize it is alot different in this tourist town with no real regulars( maybe 2-3 a year on business) then it was in the other 2 cities

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    Now, I can detect their "tricks" and say - "I know what you're doing - Damn, you're good!"
    Dude, what's the point of that ITC? Really? Idiots who get played are the ones that don't know the score before they walk in the door.

    Can't you just play along with the game? Unless you can't separate what happens ITC and OTC, the relativity of truth that happens inside of a strip club is part of the allure. She pretends to be interested in me and whatever minutiae drools from my mushmouth, maybe even pretends she's attracted to me, even though I'm a sweaty fat bastard that smells like limburger and sardines most days. I can I use a different name, I'm from a different city, I'm married, I'm divorced, I'm single, I'm a lawyer, I'm an accountant, I'm a middle-manager--whatever I want to be. The dancer doesn't generally care, and I don't try to make her job more difficult if I'm into her.

    What you're talking about is basically the new version of, "What's your real name?"
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    Do u think this holds true in a place like Vegas where guys come into town for conventions or bachelor parties or just to party and usually in groups. I've only danced in 2 other cities and very briefly and to me the ego boost thing is across the board in any city however I feel guys do come here to fufill sexual cravings mostly because it's what society and the media has told them to do. I think what makes the hustle slightly harder is the fact that a lot of guys that come in, do so more because it's a rite of passage so to speak..... They don't frequent clubs in thier homestates but when in Vegas, they can't leave without seeing a Vegas stripclub. I just wonder because when I think about the psychology of my hustle I realize it is alot different in this tourist town with no real regulars( maybe 2-3 a year on business) then it was in the other 2 cities
    Yeah, Vegas is probably a very unique case. I think this "rite of passage" is probably key... If a dancer told me something like, "You cannot come to a Vegas stripclub and not take a dancer into the VIP room! Its like never being in Vegas at all! Let me show you what makes Vegas so uniquely sinful." -- This would be hard to argue with... (even though I live in Houston - home to Treasures, Penthouse, The Men's Club, Rick's Cabaret, etc., and doubt that any SC in Vegas could impress me much).
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    ^ Well, sometimes they do... Watch Chris Angel reveal his levitation trick... This is an awesome trick to do at parties...

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    make the guy think he's special!

    give him your number (to a prepaid phone you only use for work).

    tell him your real name (which is actually another fake name but he doesn't know that).

    exaggerate the way you accept his compliments. "oh that is SO sweet! no one's ever said that to me before!!!"

    be generous with compliments, eye contact, SMILE, touch him, act like a girlfriend.

    and then the piece du resistance...if he doesn't buy a dance say something like "well I have to go back to work now... I'd love to chat later, will you be around for a while?" and then leave him. go talk to other customers and whenever you see him looking at you smile/wave/wink across the room. when you walk by him lightly grab his shoulder and smile. if he still doesn't want a dance, he'll leave. if he does, he'll ask you for one.

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    i dont use psychology, but i do use jedi mind tricks.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Niiiiiiiiceeee!!

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    One time an older and not-so-great looking dancer sat next to me. She wasn't bad looking, but, there were very beautiful dancers at the club that I was much more interested in. She took a seat next to me, before I could politely reject her, and I didn't want to be rude to her - but there was no way I would buy dances from her, when there were so many other uber-hot girls in the club.

    She had a very nice and warm personality, though, and I ended up enjoying our conversation... After she warmed me up,... she started talking about erotic movies and had me listening to her with a lot of interest. She then described one particularly sensual movie about two lovers that wrote big chinese characters on each other's back, and, as she described this, her fingers sensually touched my back, as if writing chinese characters on my back... I was so turned on by this! I bought many dances from her and had a super terrific time. I'm sure she was applying jedi mind tricks and hypno-psychological shit on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    One time an older and not-so-great looking dancer sat next to me. She wasn't bad looking, but, there were very beautiful dancers at the club that I was much more interested in. She took a seat next to me, before I could politely reject her, and I didn't want to be rude to her - but there was no way I would buy dances from her, when there were so many other uber-hot girls in the club.

    She had a very nice and warm personality, though, and I ended up enjoying our conversation... After she warmed me up,... she started talking about erotic movies and had me listening to her with a lot of interest. She then described one particularly sensual movie about two lovers that wrote big chinese characters on each other's back, and, as she described this, her fingers sensually touched my back, as if writing chinese characters on my back... I was so turned on by this! I bought many dances from her and had a super terrific time. I'm sure she was applying jedi mind tricks and hypno-psychological shit on me.
    Weird. I always wonder how they do it the few times they're able to. It's obviously just easy guys. The old chicks butter them up and talk about shit I could never care about. Glad there's all different types out there.

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