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    what do some of you think about this feature....i think is sucks big time, and totally unfair.

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    it's really not a big deal dude.
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    Ya I'm wtf even are star ratings? Oh, the thing that kinda gives you an idea how many posts a person has in relation to how much other people post? Whatev.

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    ^^^ You are Soooo funny! I think the OP may be talking about star ratings on camming sites. Either way that really shouldn't matter Hun. Don't let it bother you! Guys care more about where you are from, and if you have a HOT profile pic, yada yada. Unless you have less then 3-4 stars, then it would be time to reflect upon your private shows, see what you could be doing wrong, or connection etc. Their is always room to improve! That goes for ANYONE, in any asspect!!!!

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    Yeah I don't think he was talking about the star ratings on sw.. If he was then ... Really?

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    Curse those Stripper Web stars!!!!! (Shakes Fist) HAHA! Those are esy to get. Just post like crazy.

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    AlphaGal is correct ..........i was speaking of the camming sites....pardon the confusion...

    it can work against you.....some are bad, and will do it just because you heed their demands....this is a fact.

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    i don't really care too much about my ratings (although I am a 5 star performer). Guys who like me come back for more and dudes who don;t like me don't return. You can't please everyone all of the time is how I see it, but I have seen a trend with the ratings as far as my bad ratings...I get 1 or 2 star ratings when a) guys take me private to make a request and I won;t do it cuz it's probably illegal in my country and theirs- they leave, get mad and give me a poor rating. or b) they enter group private barking orders and i don't respond immediately and bingo bad rating.

    But it's all good, for every poor rating I get at least 15 good ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleeNsd View Post
    i don't really care too much about my ratings (although I am a 5 star performer). Guys who like me come back for more and dudes who don;t like me don't return. You can't please everyone all of the time is how I see it, but I have seen a trend with the ratings as far as my bad ratings...I get 1 or 2 star ratings when a) guys take me private to make a request and I won;t do it cuz it's probably illegal in my country and theirs- they leave, get mad and give me a poor rating. or b) they enter group private barking orders and i don't respond immediately and bingo bad rating.

    But it's all good, for every poor rating I get at least 15 good ones
    Exactly!!

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    I'm not sure what site you're referring to, OP - but getting scored well on most sites if they have a decent star algorithm configured = being ranked higher, your profile being bumped up, etc.

    So, I don't think you're the only one who keeps an eye on it - I wish I were laissez-faire enough to not care, but I'm a bit too internally competitive. I don't obsess (had to train myself not to, honestly) but its a part of what sells you

    I think it sucks too - but it sucks mainly because unhappy people are less lazy than happy people. Satifsfied happy people who have an orgasm don't always rate. Unsatisfied guys who lost their hardon & have not cum all over their computer screen? They'll leave you a rating - quickly.

    What's helpful (depending on the site you're on) is to flirtaciously mention after the guy has cum to take one second to you (wink wink, after you "clean up", tee hee, whatever), or if you forgot / they are a "I came, now I quickly sign out!" type, drop a PM recounting the time you had (helps me to recall the person later honestly, god bless repetition) and among of sea of things you mention (what time you'll be on, discount code, how much fun you had, check out my new pictures, glad you liked my panties) throw in "rate our time together either now or next time ".... or if your site has a "paying members" mailing lists if your site has them throw out a reminder about rating. They don't get that it impacts your pay (well on imlive it seems to), ranking, visibility, so stressing "just take a second " helps combat the unfairness of lazy orgasmic satisfaction.

    I have no shame in doing this - this general sales principle applies to camming: customers will go through many hoops to complain (yelp, blogging, filing with better business bureau, telling their friends, twitter, etc.). Satisfied customers or those who had an OK time usually don't remember or bother. Those who had a blast will usually post a positive review.

    Even if you're an out of this world performer, most of your performances will fall in the middle of this spectrum - and the middle customers (aka the satisfied or "sure it was fun") aren't as fastidious about rating as the cranky ones. Let's be honest, most of the cranky ones request things overly complicated, demanded things you've said you won't do in your profile, had a bad day, etc. What sucks is, they will be the first ones to rate. If you can do anything to prevent the bad ones - contact your good customers and/or mention it when they're vulnerable (had an orgasm).

    It can be serious work to not let it piss you off if you think its unjust, or hell hurt your feelings - but an escort friend of mine (who has gotten good & bad reviews,some were brutal so she's the zen master of dealing with customer reviews) gave me hilarious advice some time ago:

    "Think of your [performance] like an iPod: everyone wants one, many people have one, those things are fucking awesome, but some people talk shit about them. They complain about its size, shape, weight, that it isn't big enough, too small, not enough gigs, freezes.... but its a fucking iPod! AN IPOD! What the fuck! People have gotten tattoos of ipods, people sleep outside the store, their marketing is fucking genius, ipods will always sell - WE are ipods."

    We were stoned & the context was about iTouches as some kind of allegory to sex work or something, so translation:

    view your body and your service as a stellar product, you're selling sex which everyone wants, and translate that into good marketing. They're objectifying you, so you should emotionally distance yourself from your sexual performance and body and think of your presentation as a sale/business transaction. You know you're awesome, you know you're selling something awesome, but not everyone will think that no matter what, so hype yourself up and you'll get enough of a cult following that the haters won't even matter.

    Not sure if that's what you're looking for at all, but we all deal with ratings & it keeping all of that in mind has helped me out when I think ratings are unfair...

    ...I just think "iPod".

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    I'm not sure what site you're referring to, OP - but getting scored well on most sites if they have a decent star algorithm configured = being ranked higher, your profile being bumped up, etc.

    So, I don't think you're the only one who keeps an eye on it - I wish I were laissez-faire enough to not care, but I'm a bit too internally competitive. I don't obsess (had to train myself not to, honestly) but its a part of what sells you

    I think it sucks too - but it sucks mainly because unhappy people are less lazy than happy people. Satifsfied happy people who have an orgasm don't always rate. Unsatisfied guys who lost their hardon & have not cum all over their computer screen? They'll leave you a rating - quickly.

    What's helpful (depending on the site you're on) is to flirtaciously mention after the guy has cum to take one second to you (wink wink, after you "clean up", tee hee, whatever), or if you forgot / they are a "I came, now I quickly sign out!" type, drop a PM recounting the time you had (helps me to recall the person later honestly, god bless repetition) and among of sea of things you mention (what time you'll be on, discount code, how much fun you had, check out my new pictures, glad you liked my panties) throw in "rate our time together either now or next time ".... or if your site has a "paying members" mailing lists if your site has them throw out a reminder about rating. They don't get that it impacts your pay (well on imlive it seems to), ranking, visibility, so stressing "just take a second " helps combat the unfairness of lazy orgasmic satisfaction.

    I have no shame in doing this - this general sales principle applies to camming: customers will go through many hoops to complain (yelp, blogging, filing with better business bureau, telling their friends, twitter, etc.). Satisfied customers or those who had an OK time usually don't remember or bother. Those who had a blast will usually post a positive review.

    Even if you're an out of this world performer, most of your performances will fall in the middle of this spectrum - and the middle customers (aka the satisfied or "sure it was fun") aren't as fastidious about rating as the cranky ones. Let's be honest, most of the cranky ones request things overly complicated, demanded things you've said you won't do in your profile, had a bad day, etc. What sucks is, they will be the first ones to rate. If you can do anything to prevent the bad ones - contact your good customers and/or mention it when they're vulnerable (had an orgasm).

    It can be serious work to not let it piss you off if you think its unjust, or hell hurt your feelings - but an escort friend of mine (who has gotten good & bad reviews,some were brutal so she's the zen master of dealing with customer reviews) gave me hilarious advice some time ago:

    "Think of your [performance] like an iPod: everyone wants one, many people have one, those things are fucking awesome, but some people talk shit about them. They complain about its size, shape, weight, that it isn't big enough, too small, not enough gigs, freezes.... but its a fucking iPod! AN IPOD! What the fuck! People have gotten tattoos of ipods, people sleep outside the store, their marketing is fucking genius, ipods will always sell - WE are ipods."

    We were stoned & the context was about iTouches as some kind of allegory to sex work or something, so translation:

    view your body and your service as a stellar product, you're selling sex which everyone wants, and translate that into good marketing. They're objectifying you, so you should emotionally distance yourself from your sexual performance and body and think of your presentation as a sale/business transaction. You know you're awesome, you know you're selling something awesome, but not everyone will think that no matter what, so hype yourself up and you'll get enough of a cult following that the haters won't even matter.

    Not sure if that's what you're looking for at all, but we all deal with ratings & it keeping all of that in mind has helped me out when I think ratings are unfair...

    ...I just think "iPod".

    roast you said it well....thanks

    ratings were perpetrated by a couple miserable guys who can't get what is illegal...
    one even told me in chat i will make sure that i rate you down daily...and he did..

    now normally you say that's fine, and you keep plugging away, but when you were a 5* and you suddenly become a 2* and you are bumped to the back pages, your income is affected it wears you down...

    hence, why i say the *star rating is ridiculous for a site to go on....as innocent people will be affected by some asshole....if you want to rank the models than do it by what they make...at least then income is more fair than the * which can be manipulated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    one even told me in chat i will make sure that i rate you down daily...and he did..

    now normally you say that's fine, and you keep plugging away, but when you were a 5* and you suddenly become a 2* and you are bumped to the back pages, your income is affected it wears you down...
    Why would you continue to allow that though? I would have permanently blocked an asshole like that immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    Why would you continue to allow that though? I would have permanently blocked an asshole like that immediately.

    laurielegs..............it's easy to block when you know who you are blocking, but when asshole changes names each time they come in, you are basically blocking no one...

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    Let admin on your site know, take screenshots if the guy uses the same language/phrases and spell it out... if this is someone who is doing this intentionally, they'll probably also be a chargeback which is more what concerns the site (so may be useful to frame it that way).

    Or just contest the ratings to admin and show the chat logs. Those things aren't set in stone. Be prepared for admin to check your room if you send them repeat messages about this - if its something you can control on your own (ban, don't give him your vulnerability, getting rated low for other reasons) they may not take it seriously.

    You can X out of privates on most sites (to my knowledge), if you're on Imlive they can't rate you if it is under 2mins, just X out, him (or them) crushing your spirit for the rest of your shift is not worth the price per minute he is in private with you.

    Does he see that you're rattled? Can he tell? If yes, he will continue to fuck with you, changed names or not. Chances are if you are visibly rattled in free its multiple people. Unfortunately people like fucking with... strangers on the internet, and the easiest prey are the most vulnerable and seemingly insecure. So all the Mr No-Talk Lounge Lizards can come back with different names to fuck with you since he saw you were rattled & its free sadistic fun.

    I once saw a girl cry in free (money issues? don't remember) - customers didn't give a flip and kept saying "show ass pls bb" "aww, you're so hot when you cry" "Ill help soak up those tears in private if you show your ass"... She cried harder and I heard multiple doors slam (presumably customers with credits/$ in their accounts) but the people egging her on remained. It definitely wasn't a crying fetish thing either. Don't let them see you rattled even if you are.

    You may want to promote your page on other sites in the interim so you can build your own traffic until your name gets bumped back up. Or start new on another site if you feel too insecure/like the damage is set in stone (it isn't, but perceptions can feel real). Or just stay on the site and hype yourself into believing you're rated a 5, I'd bet most guys don't check


    Sorry you're a rough time, there's always a solution - good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlphaGal View Post
    Curse those Stripper Web stars!!!!! (Shakes Fist) HAHA! Those are esy to get. Just post like crazy.
    lmao <3

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    Its wierd but on streamate i've noticed when my price is lower my star ratings are lower but when I charge the most my ratings are always a 5.
    I think the guys looking for a cheaper price might feel like I can do better than I provide for them if I did a more expensive price

    But the guys who pay the max price always give me 5 stars cause they appreciated the amount of effort i put in the show even though its the same shit I do in the cheap shows;

    Wait, does that make sense?

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    Doodlebug, Are you a camboy? It says you're a male. Just wondering.

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    Carabella,

    It's a weird price phenomenon, but for most services/products if the price is HIGHER the customers PERCEIVE the overall purchase to be better/more durable/etc...so it would make sense that at a higher price you would get a better overall rating. A higher price is almost always psychologically perceived as having higher quality, basically. Crazy, right?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by carabella View Post
    Its wierd but on streamate i've noticed when my price is lower my star ratings are lower but when I charge the most my ratings are always a 5.
    I think the guys looking for a cheaper price might feel like I can do better than I provide for them if I did a more expensive price

    But the guys who pay the max price always give me 5 stars cause they appreciated the amount of effort i put in the show even though its the same shit I do in the cheap shows;

    Wait, does that make sense?

    you said it well, but there are exceptions as well....prices are subjective....models know what works best for them after experimenting with various rates...
    wanting to charge higher and being told the economics of the wonderful staff on streamate is a laugh though.....that is why we have rates from a-z...and they should be all equal as options for across the board for all of the models....btw i'm female, must edit that....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    Let admin on your site know, take screenshots if the guy uses the same language/phrases and spell it out... if this is someone who is doing this intentionally, they'll probably also be a chargeback which is more what concerns the site (so may be useful to frame it that way).

    Or just contest the ratings to admin and show the chat logs. Those things aren't set in stone. Be prepared for admin to check your room if you send them repeat messages about this - if its something you can control on your own (ban, don't give him your vulnerability, getting rated low for other reasons) they may not take it seriously.

    You can X out of privates on most sites (to my knowledge), if you're on Imlive they can't rate you if it is under 2mins, just X out, him (or them) crushing your spirit for the rest of your shift is not worth the price per minute he is in private with you.

    Does he see that you're rattled? Can he tell? If yes, he will continue to fuck with you, changed names or not. Chances are if you are visibly rattled in free its multiple people. Unfortunately people like fucking with... strangers on the internet, and the easiest prey are the most vulnerable and seemingly insecure. So all the Mr No-Talk Lounge Lizards can come back with different names to fuck with you since he saw you were rattled & its free sadistic fun.

    I once saw a girl cry in free (money issues? don't remember) - customers didn't give a flip and kept saying "show ass pls bb" "aww, you're so hot when you cry" "Ill help soak up those tears in private if you show your ass"... She cried harder and I heard multiple doors slam (presumably customers with credits/$ in their accounts) but the people egging her on remained. It definitely wasn't a crying fetish thing either. Don't let them see you rattled even if you are.

    You may want to promote your page on other sites in the interim so you can build your own traffic until your name gets bumped back up. Or start new on another site if you feel too insecure/like the damage is set in stone (it isn't, but perceptions can feel real). Or just stay on the site and hype yourself into believing you're rated a 5, I'd bet most guys don't check


    Sorry you're a rough time, there's always a solution - good luck
    you wrote a beautiful post, and with logic....thanks, it is appreciated.!

    it was reported to the admin but they shrugged it off, it is too much for them to read the logs...copy paste standard responses is what one gets back.
    how do you become a 2 * in a matter of weeks?......free chat rating * is bullshit...
    and yes they come in for one minute just to rate you bad, because you will not do the illegal acts with them...they are free to check the chat log without a doubt...i mean that is only logical.

    anyways the gist of my OP was, that the sites should rethink their * ratings, and allow them to rate after they spent let's say about 10 minutes in your room....
    or rate the models on their weekly/monthly earnings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    laurielegs..............it's easy to block when you know who you are blocking, but when asshole changes names each time they come in, you are basically blocking no one...


    Those name-changing losers (like that ImLive guy 'thonglover' with a bunch of numbers, etc.) piss me off too, and it's pretty ridiculous that they're so determined to change names SEVERAL times and bother the same hosts. It's pretty silly for them to spend THAT much time on cam sites unwilling to spend money, when there's so much other shit they could see on the net for free.

    My most recent ImLive jerk is some dude who keeps coming into free text chat, asking "Can I rub your feet bb?" You block them, and they come right back with another name.
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    cute tat fox!

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    cute tat fox!


    Thanks! You're the first person to comment on it.


    It's my second one, and the guy who did them is a hottie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    Doodlebug, Are you a camboy? It says you're a male. Just wondering.
    Sorry.. this was never answered and I'm still wondering..

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    Quote Originally Posted by doodlebug View Post
    btw i'm female, must edit that....lol
    There was a response

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