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    Default MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Yes, this is disgusting. I agree the man should have payed his $75 yearly fee, but come on, it was his house What if someone was inside? Would they have let this person die for not paying $75? I don't really blame the firefighters, they are probably under liability to not help because of this law. I blame who worte this law, that is just dumb.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Jeez. He lost 3 dogs and a cat too.
    I wonder why they don't just put the fire out, and charge the owner the full (uninsured) cost of the service? Just invoice the guy, or add it to his tax bill. Odd.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Aww, the digs and cat was in there too? I didn't see that.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    Jeez. He lost 3 dogs and a cat too.
    I wonder why they don't just put the fire out, and charge the owner the full (uninsured) cost of the service? Just invoice the guy, or add it to his tax bill. Odd.
    Because if they did that then nobody would pay the fee, they would just wait until their house caught fire and pay then. And most people don't have the thousands of dollars laying around it would take to pay the full price when it happens to them. It doesn't cost 75 bucks to put out a fire, it costs a shit ton more, 75 bucks is the price of putting out a fire divided among all the residents in the area. Frankly i see no fault with what the fire fighters did, i see a problem with the law that allows you to opt out of paying for fire fighter service but honestly this is a guy who was looking for a free ride thinking the fire fighters would risks their lives to save his things whether he paid or not.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Aren't these services are what paying taxes are for?

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    I do agree with what you are saying about billing him later then no one else paying the fee. Why pay the fee now if chances are your house isn't going to burn down and you can just pay later in the chance it does.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Apparently taxes are evil and having government services is socialism. That's the country we live in now.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    This seems incredibly dangerous and stupid. What if someone next door has paid the fee? What are they going to do? Wait until their home catches on fire and then start putting it out? This system prevents the fire fighters from putting out the blaze at the best time- when it's small and easy to extinguish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trem View Post
    Because if they did that then nobody would pay the fee, they would just wait until their house caught fire and pay then. And most people don't have the thousands of dollars laying around it would take to pay the full price when it happens to them. It doesn't cost 75 bucks to put out a fire, it costs a shit ton more, 75 bucks is the price of putting out a fire divided among all the residents in the area. Frankly i see no fault with what the fire fighters did, i see a problem with the law that allows you to opt out of paying for fire fighter service but honestly this is a guy who was looking for a free ride thinking the fire fighters would risks their lives to save his things whether he paid or not.
    Yeah, I was talking about charging him the full cost. He called and asked them to put it out. So they tell him he'll have to pay the full cost. You think he'd say no? Then they bill him and lien his house.

    The 75 bucks is like insurance, and if you forgo it, you take your chances that you might have a big cost later. Like, how is this any different than pet insurance, or collision insurance on your car? And, if nobody paid the 75 bucks, but was charged the full price for a fire response, then the full cost is being paid everytime...right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    This seems incredibly dangerous and stupid. What if someone next door has paid the fee? What are they going to do? Wait until their home catches on fire and then start putting it out? This system prevents the fire fighters from putting out the blaze at the best time- when it's small and easy to extinguish.
    His neighbors house did almost catch fire, he payed the fee so then they put out the fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    Yeah, I was talking about charging him the full cost. He called and asked them to put it out. So they tell him he'll have to pay the full cost. You think he'd say no? Then they bill him and lien his house.

    The 75 bucks is like insurance, and if you forgo it, you take your chances that you might have a big cost later. Like, how is this any different than pet insurance, or collision insurance on your car? And, if nobody paid the 75 bucks, but was charged the full price for a fire response, then the full cost is being paid everytime...right?
    Of course he'd say yes, the point is most people CAN'T pay the full costs. The full cost would likely be in the tens of thousands, that's the whole point of everyone paying 75 bucks instead of the one in a thousand guy who's house catches fire having to pay 75k.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Our taxes pay for that service... that guy should take legal action...
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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Makes you wonder how anyone can even have the option of "opting out" of fire protection. Just put it on the tax bill for Chrissakes.

    Here's someone else's opinion (about the same story) on the interwebz:

    "The fee was insurance and the insurance wasn't paid. This doesn't release the fire department from performing their duty but it does entitle the department to full compensation for all expenses incurred in fighting the fire.

    Maybe the owner will just declare bankruptcy and the department will never get paid but at least the pets would be alive and the neighbors would still see that failure to pay the fee could have serious financial consequences"
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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Quote Originally Posted by Angel75217 View Post
    Our taxes pay for that service... that guy should take legal action...
    His taxes did not pay for that service because his county does not have a fire fighter department. They had the option to opt in a nearby counties fire department for 75 bucks a year, he chose not too. Your taxes pay specifically for what they say they pay for, not whatever you think they should.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    I volunteered for the 5k run, still waiting for my pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michele.2 View Post
    His neighbors house did almost catch fire, he payed the fee so then they put out the fire.
    Yes, I understand that. My point is that it could have easily gone wrong and not worked out that way. It could have turned into an out of control blaze that would have taken out many homes. Not to mention, if this stupid system wasn't in place they could have put out the fire BEFORE the neighbor's house caught fire, thereby sparing him even more damage.
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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    I wonder if there is a moral, or even legal obligation to help. I suppose there are different laws in different states about this...and certainly one should be fully and fairly compensated when they do help....
    Just throwing it out there.

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    I don't think fire fighters have a moral obligation to risk their lives in order to save peoples stuff. It IS a stupid system though, people should not be allowed to opt out of paying for necessary services. Currently in America the rightwingers have so demonized taxes and government services that things like this will become more rather than less common.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Nothing wrong at all here with this scenario.

    He chose not to pay for a service, and was rightfully denied said service when he needed it.

    Sucks the animals perished as a result of the homeowners stupidity, but hopefully he learned a very expensive lesson out of this.

    Don't be an idiot.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Quote Originally Posted by brainwrek View Post
    Nothing wrong at all here with this scenario.

    He chose not to pay for a service, and was rightfully denied said service when he needed it.

    Sucks the animals perished as a result of the homeowners stupidity, but hopefully he learned a very expensive lesson out of this.

    Don't be an idiot.
    Well, see, the "rightfully" part of it is what is being debated here. What is the better outcome? "Fuck him...tough shit, let it burn"? Or the fire gets put out, and he pays the full cost of the service? I mean, where does it happen that any jurisdiction just lets shit burn? Even a random car burning in a backlot, or a grassy field, or whatever...they try to put it out, and sort out the cost later. Isn't that a better method to deal with this sort of catastrophic occurrence? Hell, they could charge twice the normal actual cost if they wanted, but at least put the damn fire out.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    The thing is bobby the most likely outcome would be the fire gets put out, they charge him thousands of dollars for the service and he doesn't pay it because some rural family living out in the boondocks doesn't have thousands of dollars of spare cash to pay for a fire. This leads to the 75 dollar fee being raised for everyone in order to pay for the people who did not pay the fee and then couldn't pay the service cost in a lump sum leading to more people refusing to pay the now higher fee, which leads to more people bailing out on the service cost and an even higher fee... etc, etc, etc.

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    Default Re: MFirefighters let mans house burn for not paying fee

    Hmmm....well if he doesn't pay they can take his house I guess. Attach a lien to the house so it can't be sold without satisfying the encumbrance. And if there is no way the debt can be recovered, then, yes, everyone in the jurisdiction carries the burden. It's still a better outcome than letting it burn down imo.

    Isn't this what happens when people need life saving medical services and they don't have insurance? I mean, I've heard anecdotal stuff about it, but I don't know about it first hand. Losing your house isn't as catastrophic as losing your life, or a loved one's, but it's close.

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    Yes, that is exactly what happens with health care, thats why prices are so completely out of control. The difference is doctors take an oath to take care of everyone no matter what, fire fighters do not so when the situation became untenable they would simply stop working. The end result wouldn't be people getting free fire fighting while the rest of us pay a ton, the result would be nobody paying and nobody getting any fire fighting.

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