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    Default It's 6pm, there are only 2 custies in the club ...

    ... they're friends, sitting together at the bar. A dancer is already w/ one custy, so you sit w/ his friend. How long would you talk to your custy before hitting him up for a LD or VIP?

    I know every dancer varies on how long she's willing to sit w/ a custy till she gives her pitch. And I know the day/mid shift hustle is different than night ... well most times it is but if it's a slow night the hustle can be similar ... similar meaning a dancer might have to spend a bit more time talking before making her pitch.

    With my clientele a lot of it is conversation. The custies that spend $300-$500 *always* tell me they really enjoy the fact that I talk a lot ... yes I'm a chatter box ... LOL ... and I don't treat them like just a wallet.

    I had a situation at work tonight ... long story ... and I don't want to regurgitate the ugly negative events that transpired. Anyway ... that's why I'm asking this question ... even though I've danced a long time. I know I need to put this behind me but I'm just shocked as all hell WTF happened.

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    Default Re: It's 6pm, there are only 2 custies in the club ...

    IMO it isn't fair to the other dancers to sit more than 3 songs in Vegas in this situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    IMO it isn't fair to the other dancers to sit more than 3 songs in Vegas in this situation.
    So the other dancers sitting around can have a chance w/ the custy?

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    Yes. Before I moved to Seattle I had always worked in busy clubs or understaffed clubs. My first evening at the Vu in Seattle I sat with a custy for 4 songs....... he was the only custy in the club. Girls threatened to kick the shit out of me.

    It is not fair in an empty club to camp out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Yes. Before I moved to Seattle I had always worked in busy clubs or understaffed clubs. My first evening at the Vu in Seattle I sat with a custy for 4 songs....... he was the only custy in the club. Girls threatened to kick the shit out of me.

    It is not fair in an empty club to camp out.
    Wow! I've never heard of a dancer getting threatened like that! Scary stuff! Glad to hear you didn't get hurt.

    Camping out w/ a custy is soooooo common here ... heck, it's common in the 5 states and 12 cities I've worked. From my experience dancers don't give a rats ass if they should give other dancers a chance ... even when it was raining money, let alone in these troubling financial times. It's utterly tragic.

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    lol my home club sometimes it's normal for girls to think they "own" the customer if they talked to them first even if they don't go near them for over an hour, lmao lots of fights have started this way

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    it depends. id say maybe not make the sale within 3 songs if its that slow, but decide within 3 songs whether he is sellable. if you believe he will spend after you build more rapport, then keep chattin. if you think it is unlikely though, make your pitch. if he buys- yay you win. if he doesnt- then get out and let another girl have a shot.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post

    It is not fair in an empty club to camp out.
    Nothing about this industry is fair. If I leave a customer it's because Im not making any money off of him, not because I need to give the next girl a "chance". That's ludicrous.

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    In a situation like this guys often take longer to buy. They don't feel the party atmosphere, so they need a bit longer to get revved up. Its fine to try to sell them right away if you are super flirtatious & they take to it, but if they don't then relax & chat with them for a bit. Ask some interactive questions. If their responses are short then they probably don't have a lot of interest in you... so move on & give another dancer a chance. If the responses are in-depth & they show signs of interest like offering to buy you a drink, leaning in to talk to you, touching you on the hands/leg/back then just relax & make another sales pitch within 12-20 mins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    it depends. id say maybe not make the sale within 3 songs if its that slow, but decide within 3 songs whether he is sellable. if you believe he will spend after you build more rapport, then keep chattin. if you think it is unlikely though, make your pitch. if he buys- yay you win. if he doesnt- then get out and let another girl have a shot.
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    In a situation like this guys often take longer to buy. They don't feel the party atmosphere, so they need a bit longer to get revved up. Its fine to try to sell them right away if you are super flirtatious & they take to it, but if they don't then relax & chat with them for a bit. Ask some interactive questions. If their responses are short then they probably don't have a lot of interest in you... so move on & give another dancer a chance. If the responses are in-depth & they show signs of interest like offering to buy you a drink, leaning in to talk to you, touching you on the hands/leg/back then just relax & make another sales pitch within 12-20 mins.
    W/in the shortest time possible (usually 2 - 3 songs) I do my best to feel the custy out and decide whether or not it's worth my time to chat longer.

    The other night was a prime example. It was 6:15pm ... I remember looking at my watch. There were 2 custies sitting at a table when I walked onto the floor ... BTW, they were the only 2 custies in the club (AGAIN ... but of course it was early). I was surprised no dancers were sitting w/ them. Anyway ... long story short ... I did spend quite a bit of time talking and ended up getting 2 - $100 dances, a $100 tip for conversation and a $20 on stage. I actually started w/ one custy and ended up w/ his friend ... LOL. Granted, I ended spending a total of 2 hours (that was w/ both of them) but w/in 2 hours only 1 other custy came into the club. The conversation was enjoyable and I made $$ rather than sitting by myself.

    It's always a fine line w/ situations like I just stated. Time is money. But if there are no other prospects in the club the extra time *might* be worth it. Of course there are the custies that want to use up a dancers time for free. I do my best to weed out those losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
    Nothing about this industry is fair. If I leave a customer it's because Im not making any money off of him, not because I need to give the next girl a "chance". That's ludicrous.
    I agree!

    Life isn't fair ... let alone life in a SC. And being in Vegas w/ a shit load of dancers ... no one here gives a rats ass!!

    I honestly don't know of any dancer that thinks about giving another dancer a chance. Heck, I've had dancers try to snake my custy when I went to pee!!

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    "Fair" is a fallacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by britneyireland View Post
    "Fair" is a fallacy.

    Socialism doesn't work.
    Concise & well said!

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    ^^ i still maintain that you should be able to determine if a customer is sellable, completely unsellable, or sellable with a little more rapport by 3 songs.

    the reson why i dont sit with an unsellable guy for more than 3 songs is i get very frustrated when i see girls hogging customers all night. 'anchors' as someone on this board properly put it. usually they dont make money but they do enjoy drinks, and they latch onto one customer and sit with him all night while hunched over and fairly silent. and im like 'wtf bitch, you aint making money, plz leave so i can sell them!" i remember one time in NOLA a girl did this all night, when she FINALLY left i went up to the guy, turns out she hadnt even OFFERED him a lap dance. for 3 hrs. wtf yo? he did buy stuff from me but it was too late for him to buy CRs, although he did come back a couple nights later and buy some from me.

    but the way i see it: within 3 songs if the custie doesnt seem to be feeling me who knows, maybe his type is a petite brunette with lotsa tats. thats not me. and he is very particular about this type. i could spend all night with him and he wouldnt buy from me- so ill leave and let the petite brunette have at it, and then when the next customers come in she can be making money off the original custies and there are less girls competing for the incoming ones.

    but if you see him in the 'sellable after more rapport' category then spend more time chatting him up. but otherwise, man, dont be an anchor.

    ETA: britney, i know you are not an anchor. but a lot of girls do fall into this category. and in that case i think it is unfair in a bad way, not an unfair as in survival of the fittest way, for them to just take up space by a customer who other girls might be able to sell.
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    ^^ I agree, but the way I see it, why should the fact that another dancer is sitting with a customer that won't buy from her bother me?That, to me sounds like her own personal problem. Also, sometimes you never know the situation.. I have sat with customers at length at times and not danced for them... Girls I know have seen this and will say" damn u spent all that time, u didn't make no money, blah, blah, blah," not knowing that said customer had been discreetly sliding me 50$ bills every 15- 20 minutes for my time. Granted if I find the right customer I could make 100$ in 15 minutes by going to VIP but if I feel it is slow or there are no other prospects for ME, Im going to sit and continue to colllect that money until it runs out

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    I agree with Britney about fair being a fallacy, but on the other hand Athena & I have discussed the anchors many times. The problem is that you have different types of strippers, Stripper #1 can sell to the customer & Stripper #2 can't. If stripper #2 gets to the customer first but can't close the sale then its frusterating & annoying for stripper #1 to have to sit by waiting for stripper #2 to leave. However if there are two strippers & both are the Stripper #1 type but the first one fails to close the sale then it's LESS annoying.

    In other words, lets say Britney, Athena, & myself are working a club with one customer. If one of them approaches the customer first & sits with him but fails to make the sale then I'll be a lot less frustrated/annoyed (because I know they TRIED) than if some lazy stripper sits with the customer... because the lazy stripper probably didn't even try to make the sale, let alone close it. Lazy strippers frustrate me because they waste potential time... however if they beat you to the customer then there isn't much you can do about it - unless you can teach the lazy stripper to be a motivated stripper.
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    if you are making money thats one thing. but the girls who tend to be 'anchors' usually dont talk much and kinda sit hunched over. and tend to leave with no money. (not that i specifically know how much everyone makes, but sometimes you really do just know...)

    why is it a problem for me? if there are not many customers i could come in and talk to that guy and make money.

    also these girls who sit forever without making sales or demanding a tip are the reason why customers think that we can pay our bills in drinks for some reason.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pure View Post
    ^^ I agree, but the way I see it, why should the fact that another dancer is sitting with a customer that won't buy from her bother me?That, to me sounds like her own personal problem. Also, sometimes you never know the situation.. I have sat with customers at length at times and not danced for them... Girls I know have seen this and will say" damn u spent all that time, u didn't make no money, blah, blah, blah," not knowing that said customer had been discreetly sliding me 50$ bills every 15- 20 minutes for my time. Granted if I find the right customer I could make 100$ in 15 minutes by going to VIP but if I feel it is slow or there are no other prospects for ME, Im going to sit and continue to colllect that money until it runs out
    Yep. I've hung out a custy at the bar drinking $15 bottle water (I do NOT drink) and maybe some dancers wondered wtf I was doing not dancing and just drinking water. What they didn't know is I got paid $500 to talk and drink water. He didn't want a dance at all ... I kept asking ... and he said he was enjoying just hanging out and talking. Ok, so this was a rare situation ... but just because a dancer is not dancing doesn't mean she's not making money. There have also been times after doing a couple $100 dances I'll hang out w/ the custy on the main floor ... by that time he's just wanting a bit more conversation and I usually get at least $100.

    Personally I rather spend my time w/ one custy, then to HIS needs (w/out compromising my limits) and get PAID. I hate jumping from lap to lap ... and most of all waste time w/ custies that either don't have $$ or I'm not their type.

    I don't pay attention to what other dancers are doing. I'm either busy w/ a custy, sitting by myself scouting the scene or taking a break in the back to recharge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    if you are making money thats one thing. but the girls who tend to be 'anchors' usually dont talk much and kinda sit hunched over. and tend to leave with no money. (not that i specifically know how much everyone makes, but sometimes you really do just know...)

    why is it a problem for me? if there are not many customers i could come in and talk to that guy and make money.

    also these girls who sit forever without making sales or demanding a tip are the reason why customers think that we can pay our bills in drinks for some reason.
    Yea I don't get it w/ the dancers that just drink but are not making $$ by at least getting tipped. The problem is ... I don't know who's doing this or not. When I use drink I wouldn't sit w/ a custy unless I was making $$. Getting drunk doesn't pay my bills and I'm not there to socialize like girls do in nightclubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    I agree with Britney about fair being a fallacy, but on the other hand Athena & I have discussed the anchors many times. The problem is that you have different types of strippers, Stripper #1 can sell to the customer & Stripper #2 can't. If stripper #2 gets to the customer first but can't close the sale then its frusterating & annoying for stripper #1 to have to sit by waiting for stripper #2 to leave. However if there are two strippers & both are the Stripper #1 type but the first one fails to close the sale then it's LESS annoying.

    In other words, lets say Britney, Athena, & myself are working a club with one customer. If one of them approaches the customer first & sits with him but fails to make the sale then I'll be a lot less frustrated/annoyed (because I know they TRIED) than if some lazy stripper sits with the customer... because the lazy stripper probably didn't even try to make the sale, let alone close it. Lazy strippers frustrate me because they waste potential time... however if they beat you to the customer then there isn't much you can do about it - unless you can teach the lazy stripper to be a motivated stripper.
    I use *certain* dancers as a guide ... the hard hustlers. If that girl didn't get a dance chances are *maybe* the custy doesn't have $$ ... or she might not have been his type. But yea, I use certain dancers as a gauge whether or not to approach a custy they've sat w/ and had no luck ... and w/ certain dancers I'll ask them what happened before going up to the custy. These girls are cool enough to tell me whether it's worth my time to try or he's a total loser ... of course these girls are far and few between and some have left my home club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    also these girls who sit forever without making sales or demanding a tip are the reason why customers think that we can pay our bills in drinks for some reason.
    That combined with the fact that in some clubs it is how girls make most of their money. One club I worked at last year had a thing where if you sold 25 ladies drinks in a night the club paid you $200. For some girls $200 makes them happy so they just sit & drink all night. One of the clubs I was just at the girls made $2 off every dancer drink they had... so many sat with the guys at the bar all night. Guys often don't realize though that those things are on a per club basis & tend to be regional. Sometimes they need to be reminded that in most clubs we don't get paid to drink & most dancers don't receive any sort of hourly pay.
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    It depends on the club. In my experience only the diviest of the dives had commisons on drinks aside from champagne.

    And most guys don't even think of it. They just assume strippers are alcoholics to the point where getting drunk is as good as money.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
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    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Yes. Before I moved to Seattle I had always worked in busy clubs or understaffed clubs. My first evening at the Vu in Seattle I sat with a custy for 4 songs....... he was the only custy in the club. Girls threatened to kick the shit out of me.

    It is not fair in an empty club to camp out.

    Seattle girls are some of the most bitchy and catty girls in the country. Especially Vu girls; they'll bitch about everything and anything.

    Fuck what other dancers think. You're there to make money not friends and if you have to take four songs to get that customer spending then do it no questions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    It depends on the club. In my experience only the diviest of the dives had commisons on drinks aside from champagne.

    And most guys don't even think of it. They just assume strippers are alcoholics to the point where getting drunk is as good as money.
    The club I was at with the $200 drink bonus wasn't a dive... far from. I think you'd actually really like that club. It's run by a dancer & her husband... & is just put together amazingly well - especially given the location & amount of space. I believe they purchased it from a previous owner & just redesigned it, but you can tell from the dance prices, house fees, right down to the poles that a dancer did the re-design.
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    Ah, a dancer designed club! that sounds like heaven. and a good idea for a thread..? hmmm.

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