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    (snip)""The lessons of history ... show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."

    These searing words about Depression-era welfare are from Franklin Roosevelt's 1935 State of the Union Address. FDR feared this self-reliant people might come to depend permanently upon government for the necessities of their daily lives. Like narcotics, such a dependency would destroy the fiber and spirit of the nation.

    What brings his words to mind is news that 41.8 million Americans are on food stamps, and the White House estimates 43 million will soon be getting food stamps every month.

    A seventh of the nation cannot even feed itself.

    If you would chart America's decline, this program is a good place to begin. As a harbinger of the Great Society to come, in early 1964, a Food Stamp Act was signed into law by LBJ appropriating $75 million for 350,000 individuals in 40 counties and three U.S. cities.

    Yet, no one was starving. There had been no starvation since Jamestown, with such exceptions as the Donner Party caught in the Sierra Nevada in the winter of 1846-47, who took to eating their dead."(snip)

    (snip)"Fast forward to 2009. The cost to taxpayers of the U.S. food-stamp program hit $56 billion. The number of recipients and cost of the program exploded again last year.

    Among the reasons is family disintegration. Forty percent of all children in America are now born out of wedlock. Among Hispanics, it is 51 percent. Among African-Americans, it is 71 percent.

    Food stamps are feeding children abandoned by their own fathers. Taxpayers are taking up the slack for America's deadbeat dads.

    Have food stamps made America a healthier nation?

    Consider New York City, where 1.7 million people, one in every five in the city, relies on food stamps for daily sustenance.

    Obesity rates have soared. Forty percent of all the kids in city public schools from kindergarten through eighth grade are overweight or obese.

    Among poor kids, whose families depend on food stamps, the percentages are far higher. Mothers of poor kids use food stamps to buy them sugar-heavy soda pop, candy and junk food.

    Yet Mayor Michael Bloomberg's proposal to the Department of Agriculture that recipients not be allowed to use food stamps to buy sugar-rich soft drinks has run into resistance."(snip)

    (snip)"What a changed country we have become in our expectations of ourselves. A less affluent America survived a Depression and world war without anything like the 99 weeks of unemployment insurance, welfare payments, earned income tax credits, food stamps, rent supplements, day care, school lunches and Medicaid we have today.

    Public or private charity were thought necessary, but were almost always to be temporary until a breadwinner could find work or a family could get back on its feet. The expectation was that almost everyone, with hard work and by keeping the nose to the grindstone, could make his or her own way in this free society. No more.

    What we have accepted today is a vast permanent underclass of scores of millions who cannot cope and must be carried by the rest of society – fed, clothed, housed, tutored, medicated at taxpayers' expense for their entire lives. We have a new division in America: those who pay a double fare, and those who forever ride free.

    We Americans are not only not the people our parents were, we are not the people we were. FDR was right about what would happen to the country if we did not get off the narcotic of welfare."(snip)


    I would point out that waves of recent bad publicity are now resulting in states 'cutting off' ATM access to food stamp benefit money ( i.e. SNAP cards ) at casinos, at STRIP CLUBS etc. I would also point out that the first of the year is extremely likely to bring higher federal and state income tax bills to those Americans who are not on food stamps, which will have a direct and negative impact on the amount of money remaining in strip club customers' pockets after their essential bills have been paid.

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    Please stop spamming The Lounge with your right-wing political rants.

    I understand that it is probably frustrating that no one is interested enough to read the BS that you post over and over and over in the Dollar Den. But trying to spoil The Lounge for everyone else is not the right way to deal with it.

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    Yes, PART of the problem with this is the breakdown of the family. We do have a nation of freeloaders who keep making babies they can't support. We do see more unwed parents than we should. However another part of this is because jobs are leaving this country. It used to be that a person could graduate high school, find a job then buy a house. Now they have to attend college (with heavy student loans) then make less than they would have made years earlier. Meanwhile the companies claim they are sending jobs overseas because of the taxes are "too high" but we all know it's so they can save money so the CEOs make more.

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    Please stop spamming The Lounge
    I may have to take that s#!t in Dollar Den because of my Mod status, but I do NOT have to take it in other forums where I am simply one more poster. And in this case ( despite my foreign residence) I am posting as a US taxpayer. I also have a wide exposure to the customer bases of strip clubs in many different US states.

    At any rate, the actual reason for my deciding to post this thread was to point out that US dancers now increasingly face a 'new normal' in regard to their customer base. The arguable fact that this 'new normal' is the result of US gov't economic / social policy is really beside the point. However, from a factual standpoint, one of every seven potential US strip club customers is in the process of being 'banned' from spending money ( electronically ) in strip clubs. Also, from a factual standpoint, another 4 out of six remaining US strip club customers are going to have fewer 'discretionary' dollars remaining to spend in strip clubs due to impending January 1st US federal and state tax increases. US dancers who fail to plan for this 'new normal' are likely to be unpleasantly surprised once January rolls around.

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    ^^^You're not helping dancers imo. There is an endless list of scary things that might happen to dancers (or non-dancers for that matter)...but there is also an equally endless list of positive things that might happen. Constantly posting negative, demoralizing, depressing stuff is not helpful imo. A positive mental attitude can overcome even huge challenges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    Constantly posting negative, demoralizing, depressing stuff is not helpful imo. A positive mental attitude can overcome even huge challenges.
    Specially when its all completely nonsensical insane ramblings from incredibly biased and completely detached from reality websites.

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    Well I got it. One seventh (1/7th) of the Country can't pay their own way. The other six out of seven have to pay more. This first comes out of entertainment budget.

    While Dancers may have been selling $20 dollar dances all night, most have been from regular John Q. Public's that can afford that $100 -$150 a month.

    One out of every seven of those dropped out. The remaining six are carrying the burden of that one on their own family budgets. The will then have a smaller amount of entertainment money. $100 -$150 has just been reduced to $60-$100.

    More Girls are going to be flooding the clubs competing for less Customers coming in and bring in less to spend too.

    Save Girls! Save! We don't make much here in America anymore.

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    ^^^ yes, it's basically that simple !

    And the second observation would be that this is more or less going to be a 'permanent' change ... because the 1 out of 7 'regular guy' club customers who has now been permanently lost as a club customer is not likely to ever regain an income level that allows for previous levels of 'entertainment' spending, and because the remaining 6 out of 7 club customers are not likely to see their taxation rates go back down to previous levels and thus restore their previous levels of 'entertainment' spending either.

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    Eh. I can spot a couple of inaccuracies right there. First, starvation did occur during the Great Depression of the 1930s, as well as before, during and after the Industrial Revolution and the Civil War. Second, this piece talks about one in five (ie 20% of) people relying on food stamps and in the next breath tries to link this to an obesity rate of 40%. Do you see the fallacy? Even if 100% of food stamp recipients are obese (which is most unlikely), there's clearly something else going on with the other 20%. And correlation, as you no doubt well know, is not causation. Even if obesity and the receipt of food stamps do appear to be linked, the obesity might be related to the low price of junk food and high price of fresh food - or poverty itself, in other words - rather than food stamp assistance.

    In short, this is heavy on propaganda and loose on facts.

    Also, I echo the sentiments of others that this does not belong here, despite the attempt to link it to dancing (though this is also not an industry section of the forum). I think that either Dollar Den or the Political Discussion group would be much more appropriate places for this sort of material. You may be just 'one more poster' with respect to The Lounge, but that does not serve as an excuse for posting political material (or, with enough spin, political/economic material) in the wrong part of the forum, particularly since there are other avenues here for this sort of thing.
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    I think it is safe to say MOST dancers are NOT honest on their taxes... so to be bitching that people are not carrying their weight as tax payers is a little hypocritical as far as im concerned. If 1/7 of all Amerivcans can't afford to feed their children, it might have something to do with the inability for many people to find jobs..or find a job that will pay well enough to feed their family... Maybee the govt should wake up and quit sending our jobs overseas and start doing something about our economy. Also... if they are going to GIVE things away... most people are going to take advantage of it. Write your congressman...

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    I also want to mention that I know many obese people and not one is on welfare. In fact most have good jobs.

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    I believe Melonie honestly thinks she is doing a service but it really is a bit much for me. I no longer even go into Dollar Den as a result. Is there any way to block her posts?. I've tried the "edit ignore list" but it won't allow me to because she is a Mod. Is there a way around that?.

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    ^^^Can anybody help me with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post

    At any rate, the actual reason for my deciding to post this thread was to point out that US dancers now increasingly face a 'new normal' in regard to their customer base. The arguable fact that this 'new normal' is the result of US gov't economic / social policy is really beside the point. However, from a factual standpoint, one of every seven potential US strip club customers is in the process of being 'banned' from spending money ( electronically ) in strip clubs.
    No, you're trying to find a way to relate your article to stripping when it doesn't. Most of those people receiving food stamps wouldn't be spending money in strip clubs anyway, especially the women and children. Maybe some of the dancers here can comment on this. How many of you have a significant number of customers who use welfare money/food stamp money to pay for dances or the champagne room?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    Also, from a factual standpoint, another 4 out of six remaining US strip club customers are going to have fewer 'discretionary' dollars remaining to spend in strip clubs due to impending January 1st US federal and state tax increases. US dancers who fail to plan for this 'new normal' are likely to be unpleasantly surprised once January rolls around.
    If all of Bush's tax cuts expire, the rates will be the same as they were in the 1990's. Most of the dancers I know that were working back then, say they were doing a lot better then, than they are now.
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    uh, isn't the lounge for whatever talk? this is what i see under the title. "chat about whatever". I think this falls under whatever?

    so just ignore it. people are gonna post stuff, haters gonna hate.

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    ^^ It's a little hard to ignore it when it's like 70% of the posts in the Dollar Den and now seems to be spreading. I also don't like being forced to look at multiple negative clearly biased post headlines each time I log on. I'm fine with anyone being able to post anything or everything they want, all I'm asking for is for a way for me to block it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    No, you're trying to find a way to relate your article to stripping when it doesn't. Most of those people receiving food stamps wouldn't be spending money in strip clubs anyway, especially the women and children. Maybe some of the dancers here can comment on this. How many of you have a significant number of customers who use welfare money/food stamp money to pay for dances or the champagne room?
    No shit? Really. Do you think so?

    Melonie has not stated "people receiving welfare benefits will spending less on Strippers". What was posted was that 1 of 7 are NOW ON WELFARE.

    Reading is fundamental, not fundamentalism.

    This means again for Dancers.

    1)The number of customers has been reduced.

    2)The tax burden on the remaining customers is higher.

    3)The remaining customers have less to spend.


    Spend more time reading then, trying to write some snarky reply containing your Party sanctioned regular diatribes against PRESIDENT George W. Bush, the Grand ole Party, Capitalism, the Rich, The Super Rich, The Uber Rich, and anyone not embracing the opium induced dreams of Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    ^^^Can anybody help me with this?
    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    I believe Melonie honestly thinks she is doing a service but it really is a bit much for me. I no longer even go into Dollar Den as a result. Is there any way to block her posts?. I've tried the "edit ignore list" but it won't allow me to because she is a Mod. Is there a way around that?.
    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    ^^ It's a little hard to ignore it when it's like 70% of the posts in the Dollar Den and now seems to be spreading. I also don't like being forced to look at multiple negative clearly biased post headlines each time I log on. I'm fine with anyone being able to post anything or everything they want, all I'm asking for is for a way for me to block it.
    The Adult decision then would be to not open them.... Not go running to other Adults to have them removed from your sight.

    Freedom of Speech is equal for all ideologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    The Adult decision then would be to not open them.... Not go running to other Adults to have them removed from your sight.

    Freedom of Speech is equal for all ideologies.
    Had you followed your own "reading is fundamental" advice you would have realized that I mentioned it was the HEADLINE posts that I am trying to avoid having forced on me. It has nothing to do with opening them up.

    Besides that, what exactly is your problem?. I am being very "Adult", I respectfully requested the info. on how to do the block without insulting anyone or their views. I've also refrained from responding to the various right-wing delusional fantasy rants that don't hold up to a shread of logic to keep the board from being overwhelmed by political discussion. It's a stripper forum and as a former strip club owner and sometime client that's what I log on to read about- If I want right-wing propoganda I'll watch FOX news.

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    Vbulletin doesnt allow blocking of mods jimboe so you are SOL.

    Incidentally, it isnt that hard to NOT read someones post.

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    ^^Once again Brainwrek, not concerned with the posts- don't like having to see a daily barage of negative propoganda in the Headline. I'll either just suck it up or avoid the site. Thanks for the reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    ^^Once again Brainwrek, not concerned with the posts- don't like having to see a daily barage of negative propoganda in the Headline. I'll either just suck it up or avoid the site. Thanks for the reply.
    Perhaps if you werent so tightly wrapped up in leftist BS, you wouldnt view everything contrary to your whacked out world view as negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    Had you followed your own "reading is fundamental" advice you would have realized that I mentioned it was the HEADLINE posts that I am trying to avoid having forced on me. It has nothing to do with opening them up.
    Nothing is being forced on you. You don't have to open them. You don't have to go to the Lounge or to the Dollar Den.

    I won't stand for SILENCING someone else, because you disagree.

    I will not.

    What ever someone says may truly disgust me to my very core, however I will die defending your Right to say it.


    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    Besides that, what exactly is your problem?. I am being very "Adult", I respectfully requested the info. on how to do the block without insulting anyone or their views. I've also refrained from responding to the various right-wing delusional fantasy rants that don't hold up to a shread of logic to keep the board from being overwhelmed by political discussion. It's a stripper forum and as a former strip club owner and sometime client that's what I log on to read about- If I want right-wing propoganda I'll watch FOX news.
    Then pull up your big girl panties and deal with it. If it is not your ideology feel free to make sane, rational, well thought out responses; or to ignore them.

    However, If you were a Strip club Owner as you say, then a thread like this reports a loss of income for your business. This would concern most business owners, but does explain the "former" part of your statement.

    I am unaware of any Forum Board software that allows a Member to place a Moderator on ignore. I think the reasons for that should be obvious. S
    So what you are really campaigning for is, that Melonie would lose her Moderator status. Ad Hominem. Can't fight the argument? Discredit the arguer.

    You Sir, are being fraudulent in your motives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainwrek View Post
    Perhaps if you werent so tightly wrapped up in leftist BS, you wouldnt view everything contrary to your whacked out world view as negative.
    I think I have found a new Siggy!

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    He's honestly complaining that the headlines bother him?

    Wow...

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