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    This is mostly just for me to vent because I'm super pissed.

    In the last month I have heard two burlesque dancers openly talk shit about strippers. Like, discussing the differences between us as things like "their eyes are dead and mine are alive!" and "they don't care what they do while we really do."

    Honestly, I don't think that they're the same thing, at all, but I do think that they are very similar. We both take off our clothes, us for a living, them as a hobby, and we both do it to tease. I do think that burlesque is more theatrical and classy and that stripping is inherently sleazy but I really take offense to the whole "we are better than you because we don't do it for money!"

    anyway, I was just talking to my friend about it and when his arguments came back full circle on him and he didn't really have anything else to say he eventually resorted to insulting me. As far as I can tell, he thought that me standing up against the flimsy arguments was wrong because we are morally inferior. We're not friends anymore.


    anyway, that's it.

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    Default Re: Stripping vs. Burlesque

    Eh, you could spin it the other way too. "Strippers are more moral because at least they take their clothes off for money. Burlesque dancers take their clothes off for free because they're just sluts at heart.".



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    well I honestly feel like burlesque is just middle class women doing it because they can't handle the stigma of stripping. But they're okay with burlesque because it's not stripping, it's "art".

    my personal opinions are mine and are based on conversations I've had with more than one burlesque dancer on more than one occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    This is mostly just for me to vent because I'm super pissed.

    In the last month I have heard two burlesque dancers openly talk shit about strippers. Like, discussing the differences between us as things like "their eyes are dead and mine are alive!" and "they don't care what they do while we really do."

    Honestly, I don't think that they're the same thing, at all, but I do think that they are very similar. We both take off our clothes, us for a living, them as a hobby, and we both do it to tease. I do think that burlesque is more theatrical and classy and that stripping is inherently sleazy but I really take offense to the whole "we are better than you because we don't do it for money!"

    anyway, I was just talking to my friend about it and when his arguments came back full circle on him and he didn't really have anything else to say he eventually resorted to insulting me. As far as I can tell, he thought that me standing up against the flimsy arguments was wrong because we are morally inferior. We're not friends anymore.


    anyway, that's it.
    The burlesque shows i've seen in LA don't actually strip down naked, places like 40 duece, but other ones I guess they do.

    I think morally it's about the same in that case. And what about those that strip online? is that any better? I've been doing that for some time now and i found it pretty lucrative as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luscious sadie View Post
    well I honestly feel like burlesque is just middle class women doing it because they can't handle the stigma of stripping. But they're okay with burlesque because it's not stripping, it's "art".
    Spot on babe. I feel this way too! I love watching the true art of Burlesque - but I don't feel like there are many burlesque dancers that are really at that showmanship 'calibur' that they ought to be. Most of the women who do it really are housewives who need a creative and sexual outlet but are to ashamed to admit it - hence, they hide under the guise of 'burlesque' because it's socially acceptable and a way to express their pent up sexuality.



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    One takes her clothes off for free and the other one gets paid (a lot) to take her clothes off..
    I think the one that's getting paid is smarter.
    You could also say that you get what you pay for.
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    it really all depends on the person. some strippers are your stereotypical sluts and a lot of the strippers at my club are little goody two shoes that just need extra money. I don't believe you can categorize anyone based on their job or hobby

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    I think of it as running parallel to stripping. I think of it like this. I used to be a cook. I did fine dining. Like, what my brother would call 'chick food'. If you do a google image search for fine dining you will get the idea. Food that is not only good, but looks amazing. Everything... everything. is done from scratch.
    After I was done that I went into more casual dining. Food that everyone can afford. There was some really classy stuff on the menu still but then there were also things like burgers and chicken wings. Did it make me any less of a cook because I wasn't doing everything from scratch? What about cooks at places like McDonalds and Wendy's? We were all doing the same thing but running parallel to each other. Being a fine dining cook doesn't really compare to being a fry cook yet at the end of the day, we're the same thing - even if we don't want to identify with each other.

    Burlesque and stripping run side by side. The only differences that my friend could really come up with is that 1) we get paid, 2) our job is sleazier (we are in it to first and foremost feed sexual desires whereas they are more for 'sexual entertainment), 3) venues are different, 4) it is accepted by feminists who don't accept stripping.

    IN FACT, there was an article that I read yesterday that really pissed me off. In it the girl says

    I'm not a stripper. I don't do it for sexual reasons and I definitely don't want to preform for an audience who thinks I'm up for a shag purely because I've removed some items of clothing on stage.
    but who are you kidding? I'm a stripper and neither of those things are true for me either (well, some idiots might think that I'm up for sex but really let's be serious. They all KNOW.)

    this, on the other hand, makes me so happy that I want to send this girl cupcakes in the mail:
    I also think it’s funny how quickly many burlesque performers denounce our pole dancing sisters, calling burlesque “the good stripping” and similarly distancing themselves by calling stripclub dancers “strippers” and themselves “burlesque dancers” or “burlesque artists”, when to my way of thinking, the current strip clubs are a lot closer to the original environment and performance intention of the “original” burlesque than the neo-burlesque shows of today. In the heyday of burlesque in America, women were booked into the burlesque houses to perform sexually titilating (and according to the views of the time, lewd and indecent) acts, displaying their bodies in as little clothing as possible without getting arrested, all for the benefit of a horny male audience.*SNIP*..... Of course, most clubs in the US are quite a far cry from the clubs of Western Canada, however most of them still have a lot more in common with the “Burlesque Houses” than our modern shows do, aside from the pasties and feathers.
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    Oh I want to find her and give her a hug! That was great.

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    Default Re: Stripping vs. Burlesque

    Who said burlesque is free?

    Gypsy Rose Lee, Blaze Starr, Tempest Storm, etc. did not do burlesque for FREE.

    Maybe you mean hobby stripping or some such. But that is not burlesque, which you have all seen in the movie Gypsy.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    ugh. i hate that idea. but i hate anything that seems to reference the virgin/whore dichotomy.

    back in the day, burlesque was dirty. women who did it were not "respectable". hell, these days the average stripper at a "nice" club is more "respectable" to the average person than a burlesque dancer was back then.

    it's all being seen through the veil of retro. oh, it's old fasioned, so it's cute. it's nostalgia. things were different then.

    if a man beats the shit out of me for not bringing him dinner on time, it doesn't mean it's ok just because that was ok in the 40s. retro is the most bullshit justification ever.
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    I am excited to see someone saying this. I haven't done much research in the burlesque world but just yesterday I watched a documentary of burlesque on Netflix. Even though no one really said it, I felt like there was an undertone of burlesque is art and not related to "stripping". My family has a difficult time with me dancing and so I thought "Hmmm... if I did burlesque would they feel the same way they do about dancing?" Is it just the stigma behind "stripper"? I would essentially be doing the same thing but, to my dismay, they would think it was completely different. There are too many misinformed people which leads too many misinformed judgements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamanthaLasVegas View Post
    I am excited to see someone saying this. I haven't done much research in the burlesque world but just yesterday I watched a documentary of burlesque on Netflix. Even though no one really said it, I felt like there was an undertone of burlesque is art and not related to "stripping". My family has a difficult time with me dancing and so I thought "Hmmm... if I did burlesque would they feel the same way they do about dancing?" Is it just the stigma behind "stripper"? I would essentially be doing the same thing but, to my dismay, they would think it was completely different. There are too many misinformed people which leads too many misinformed judgements.
    they would probably justify it like this:
    "well at least she isn't stripping! And thank GOD for that"



    I have nothing against burlesque dancers... I just take issue with the attitude that some of them have that they are somehow above us.

    and also, my brother told me the other day that my mom is mostly okay with me stripping because 'it's my life'. Which makes me really proud of her because it was putting a strain on our relationship. So yay!

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    Good for you!!! It would be a huge step for my midwestern family but I'm glad to see people can come around.

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    Burlesque, stripper, exotic dancer, go go dancer; we are all the same!





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    Burlesque, stripper, exotic dancer, go go dancer; we are all the same!
    Sorry I do not agree. Prostitutes/escorts are not the same as burlesque dancers or strippers.

    Go-go dancers and drunk girls at a bar are also not the same thing. Nor are either they exotic dancers.

    The difference is this between burlesque dancers and strippers: one is in sales the other is not.

    A show girl in Vegas or NY is not the same as a burlesque dancer or stripper either. You get paid on performance. That is the difference between Dita Von Teese and other burlesque dancers. She get's paid and has French beverage and Canadian make up companies hounding her. Burlesque dancers get an open tab at the bar and have to buy or make their own outfits. They are more theater than anything as compared to stipping. Of course some burlesque dancers get paid but not very many. It's more for the bragging rights of "I was a burlesque dancer".

    You will never hear a stripper say "I was a stripper" for bragging rights. There is a dollar figure involved.

    Stripping and prostitution are a service that has to do with sales. Again the two are different. One is entertainment and a tease the other is more direct eliminating the tease.

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    Default Re: Stripping vs. Burlesque

    yeah. burlesque dont quite have th same stigma so its cool to like it. you need balls to admit you strip.

    besides, stripping originated from burlesque!

    i hate it, its like when pole dance schools are very anti stripper. fine you can call it whatever you want but you gotta recognise the origins and respect where it evolved to..

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    First post! So I've been lurking a lot but I had to say this.
    Honestly even Dita Von Teese said she has nothing against pole dancers, she started as one herself. Any burlesque dancer saying pole dancers are bad is just ridiculous.
    Another thing is most Burlesque dancers I've heard of who are PAID started at regular clubs and started doing burlesque when they had a feature show.

    But I feel the stigma from other people too. I've been thinking about being a stripper and I know my mom and friends would be cool with burlesque but not regular strip club. :/

    Oh and as a last note, Gypsy Rose Lee preferred just being called a stripper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    Burlesque, stripper, exotic dancer, go go dancer; we are all the same!
    They're not though. Have you ever done burlesque or been a go go dancer. Those are both different than being a stripper or exotic dancer. If you had any experience with the jobs, this would be obvious to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    Burlesque, stripper, exotic dancer, go go dancer; we are all the same!

    it is not the word "stripper" or "burlesque dancer" that'll make the woman. It's the woman that'll make the word.


    I've done burlesque undertoned shows in Phoenix...and I still stripped down to latex and boyshorts. It's basically glamourized stripping. Nothing more, nothing less. Honestly, I, personally, do not have any issue with being called a stripper. Some women, on the other hand, loathe it because of the connotation & societies' views that're projected upon you that usually comes along with being called a "stripper". Gypsy Rose Lee, Sally Rand, Tempest Storm...these women were all STRIPPERS. Because, in truth, when it boils down to it, they were removing clothing for money. There might not have been brass poles, neon bikinis, and 7 inch clear plastic heels involved, but they WERE stripping down to their skivvies! Yes, burlesque IS technically stripping, yet some women think it's better than stripping because of the sole purpose you wear more clothing when you're getting on stage and you aren't upside down a pole writhing to a sexy rock song of some sort. For a burlesque dancer to say that she is NOT a stripper and that she doesn't do it for money...pshh...bullshit. The woman is apparently an idiot and doesn't understand the art of what she's doing. It is clear she does not get that burlesque is a performance art that incorporates stripping as well.

    How do you think Dita Von Teese makes her money?

    It isn't by clerking at Wal Mart...that's for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babyjane View Post
    First post! So I've been lurking a lot but I had to say this.
    Honestly even Dita Von Teese said she has nothing against pole dancers, she started as one herself. Any burlesque dancer saying pole dancers are bad is just ridiculous.
    Another thing is most Burlesque dancers I've heard of who are PAID started at regular clubs and started doing burlesque when they had a feature show.

    But I feel the stigma from other people too. I've been thinking about being a stripper and I know my mom and friends would be cool with burlesque but not regular strip club. :/

    Oh and as a last note, Gypsy Rose Lee preferred just being called a stripper.

    I agree. My mother would have more of an issue with actual strip club stripping than burlesque. I don't get it. Never will. I actually own Dita's book "Burlesque & The Art of the Teese/Fetish & The Art of the Teese" and she speaks of dancing burlesque in the regular strip club she danced at for the first time and her experience she had. I have no issue being called a stripper! In fact, I'd rather be called that than burlesque dancer if I would've continued doing my burlesque undertoned sets like I did in Phoenix. I plan on moving on to burlesque & performing here in Houston...just have to save up three grand for my 6 foot wide feather fans that I plan on buying one day in the future. I look at it this way: When I change over and go into burlesque, I want to go BIG. All or nothing.

    That's beside the point though....

    Point IS babyjane, I agree with you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarvelGirl View Post
    They're not though. Have you ever done burlesque or been a go go dancer. Those are both different than being a stripper or exotic dancer. If you had any experience with the jobs, this would be obvious to you.
    I agree on some notes and disagree on others. MarvelGirl, by NO MEANS am I trying to make you wrong or say your point is not a valid one, but think of it as technically burlesque dancers and strip club strippers (let's just say pole dancers) do a bit of the same things..take off their clothing for money is one. Even though their clothing looks much different if you were to put a pole dancer and a burlesque dancer next to each other, it still comes off. Then you have the dancing! Even though they dance in different ways, they still bust a move! haha! There is also the whole "stage persona" bit. When you're a pole dancer, you are creating a fantasy on stage, in a lap dance, during a convo with a custie...it's a bit the same with burlesque. You are creating a sultry vixen type of fantasy that makes a man pitch a tent in his pants. There is also the whole "costuming" thing. Same goes for pole dancers and burlesque dancers. They both have their own special get-up they wear for the "performance" on stage or when they're walking around in the crowd...or in a pole dancer's situation, walking the floor to find customers.

    I have done both...and it was pretty similar to me...but that is just my experience and opinion. Every woman will have a different view in some form or fashion.

    and that's totally understood and respected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Italian_Bombshell849 View Post
    I agree on some notes and disagree on others. MarvelGirl, by NO MEANS am I trying to make you wrong or say your point is not a valid one, but think of it as technically burlesque dancers and strip club strippers (let's just say pole dancers) do a bit of the same things..take off their clothing for money is one. Even though their clothing looks much different if you were to put a pole dancer and a burlesque dancer next to each other, it still comes off. Then you have the dancing! Even though they dance in different ways, they still bust a move! haha! There is also the whole "stage persona" bit. When you're a pole dancer, you are creating a fantasy on stage, in a lap dance, during a convo with a custie...it's a bit the same with burlesque. You are creating a sultry vixen type of fantasy that makes a man pitch a tent in his pants. There is also the whole "costuming" thing. Same goes for pole dancers and burlesque dancers. They both have their own special get-up they wear for the "performance" on stage or when they're walking around in the crowd...or in a pole dancer's situation, walking the floor to find customers.

    I have done both...and it was pretty similar to me...but that is just my experience and opinion. Every woman will have a different view in some form or fashion.

    and that's totally understood and respected.

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    I'm thinking it probably varies depending on where you do it. I don't have any issues with the labels but I'd feel like a liar if I told someone I was currently a burlesque dancer or a go go dancer.

    I've never seen a go go dancer strip though. Do they do that in some places?

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    I never have seen a go go dancer strip....that is news to me.
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    also, I'd feel weird saying I am burlesque dancer because burlesque approach stripping differently. Go Go dancers, as mentioned above, do not strip I believe.
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