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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    There's something to be said for the concept of the wealthier nations helping to raise the standard of living elsewhere, allowing citizens of poorer countries to pursue their happiness in their home country. They just want what we want (and have), and it's hard to find fault with that.
    Isn't there something to be said though for wanting to protect your bottom line? Giving your country and the people in it the best they can possibly get? Even if that means keeping others out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post

    We need a crackdown on illegal immigration BUT we need a massive overhaul to the way we manage legal immigration. And by overhaul, I mean making it easier and quicker to obtain legal status, especially in case like the above Grandmothers.
    I agree 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    There's something to be said for the concept of the wealthier nations helping to raise the standard of living elsewhere, allowing citizens of poorer countries to pursue their happiness in their home country. They just want what we want (and have), and it's hard to find fault with that.
    Eloquently put HB. I very much agree.



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    Default Re: Immigration rant no. 137

    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    Isn't there something to be said though for wanting to protect your bottom line? Giving your country and the people in it the best they can possibly get? Even if that means keeping others out?
    Indeed. Like you said earlier, it's not black or white. I'm sure we'd all like to see a balanced, fair approach used. Preserving and improving our lifestyles is important...how best to do that? We need to at least be mindful of the root cause of the problem, and keep one eye on that.

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    It seems lots of people in here are very against people from this continent being illegal here, but, since most of us are strippers, what about Slavics "invading" our poles, stages and customers?

    Nobody seem to complain about these women taking out stripping jobs everywhere!





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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post

    Nobody seem to complain about these women taking out stripping jobs everywhere!
    I'm gonna complain!
    Damn those those hot Russian girls with their sexy accents enticing all the guys to the champagne room!

    I'd be rich if it wasn't for them LOL

    (this was all back in Vegas..everyone out here seems to be from here)

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    I was fired from a club where like 90% of the dancers were Slavic (about two were actually illegal; one was getting deported); I think I have a very valid reason to be pissed with these women.

    They aren't that pretty (they have hairy faces and love handles), and they aren't the only ones with heavy accents!


    One more thing: I AM NOT RUSSIAN!!!!!!!!
    Silly customers, I'm HISpanic, not Slavic.





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    ^^^ actually, the existing wording of the 14th amendment's 'under the jurisdiction thereof' could easily be interpreted to mean that while the children of 'freed slaves' were 'under the jurisdiction' of the US gov't ( via the Federal victory over the slave-holding Confederacy ), while children of US embassy or military personnel stationed in foreign countries are 'under the jurisdiction, even that children born to US taxpaying citizens living in a foreign country are 'under the jurisdiction' as a result of their payment of US taxes etc., that children born to non-citizens who are illegally within US borders at the time of the birth arguably are NOT 'under the jurisdiction'. All it would take is a new US Supreme Court ruling to that effect.

    Such a ruling / clarification of the 14th amendment would remove a major incentive for illegal immigration ... i.e. the fact that a child born to illegal aliens on US soil, under present circumstances, is immediately eligible for medicaid plus a host of social welfare benefits. At the same time, under present circumstances, the illegal alien parents are essentially 'exempt' from deportation while they act as 'agent' for the child's medicaid and social welfare benefits ( i.e. until the child reaches the age of 18 ). This 'anchor baby' syndrome is extremely widespread.

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    Default Re: Immigration rant no. 137

    A kid born in an Arizona hospital is just as American as any other kid born in the US no matter who their parents are or where they are from, i don't see what the debate is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    It seems lots of people in here are very against people from this continent being illegal here, but, since most of us are strippers, what about Slavics "invading" our poles, stages and customers?

    Nobody seem to complain about these women taking out stripping jobs everywhere!
    Slavic girls do piss me off - but not because they're here illegally; it's because most of those girls are sex slaves, and I really don't feel that's right. If they want to come here and make money - go for it; but I hate the idea that there's some greedy Russian/Hungarian/whatever guy profiting from there somewhere.

    Does it irritate me from time to time that I have more 'competition' because of them? Yes. However, I'm not going to be angry with them about it - if I born where they were, then I'd probably want to be in Canada too.

    The Slavic girls at my club work REALLY HARD, and NEVER complain. I like that. I'd rather see hard working illegals than lazy, whiny Canadian-born chicks anyday.



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    Default Re: Immigration rant no. 137

    OK cleaned up the thread a bit.

    I wasn't at church. I was recovering from thursday, friday, and saturday nights--which process usually takes all of sunday and sunday night. I'm not going to apologize for that lol.


    There will be no saying 'Hey fuck you if you don't like immigration! We are here whether you like it or not.', etc. There will also be no saying 'I will use a crayon to make my point you moron.', etc.

    It's a political thread which is supposed to be avoided, but I hate censorship so I am leaving it up for now.



    I will say this, most of the women I work with are immigrants, illegal or otherwise, from Latin America and Eastern Europe. Most of them work pretty hard and look pretty good, so it's not directly an issue. There are a few who are lazy and look like shit, but they are exceptional. Maybe because the fat, ugly, lazy ones have a lot harder time getting into the country than the cute eager hard-working ones. I would certainly welcome more attractive, hard-working American dancers!

    I don't know about other areas, but here in the Keys there is a lot less pimping by Russian mob types going on. It used to be bad maybe ten years ago in Miami, Detroit, etc. I think we have a lot more trouble with USA ghetto type thug guys trying to be pimps, than Eurotrash trying to be pimps (either way, we don't tolerate scumbags like this in our club). Maybe it's different in other areas of the USA though.


    I don't exactly blame the hordes of desperate people trying to get here to the USA, where wealth is more easily obtained. If I were in their shoes I'd be trying to get here, too. But I'm not in their shoes, so I want the hordes to be curtailed.

    Otherwise, as has been said, the uneducated, unskilled hordes will drive down the literacy rate in this country, gobble up our steadily decreasing resources, and put tremendous strain on a system already overburdened by people who cannot feed themselves or get decent medical attention as it is, whether they be US citizens or not.

    Trying to say the US has no history of imperialism, while ignoring the genocide practiced on Native Americans in order to take their land, is a pretty useless argument. Trying to say we should throw open our borders to every starving, uneducated, desperate person wanting US citizenship, because the USA has a checkered history of exploitation from 150 years ago, is an equally invalid approach.

    No matter what borders surround any nation on this earth, those borders are very likely encompassing land that used to belong to someone else, at some point in time.
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    compassion would go a long way for some of you.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    It seems lots of people in here are very against people from this continent being illegal here, but, since most of us are strippers, what about Slavics "invading" our poles, stages and customers?

    Nobody seem to complain about these women taking out stripping jobs everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    My parents and I were legal immigrants. We smuggled my grandmother here illegally because she had no one and nothing. She never took a penny of welfare or state money and we did get her legal amensty because she had no country to go back to. We brought her old, uneducated ass here so she wouldn't die alone, starved in a small town in post soviet Russia.

    Many other people bring their non-employable family members here for similar reasons. So for those against illegal immigrants because they may not obviously provice something back to the economy...think about your own elderly and invalid family members. We are all human, even us immigrants, have a small bit of philanthropy and understand why some unemployable people cross the border.

    Here in Texas, our economy wouldn't be jack shit if it wasn't for the back breaking work of illegals. Yes it does irk me to see some of the bums and moochers...but I see far more american welfar families, white and black..that are a huger drain to the system. Why don't we kick their slacker asses out of the country?
    Yes, thats fine actually. The difference really is that your Grandmother had a support system there on hand. She didn't need to take from the Government coffers because ostensibly your Family provided. Being aged likely some Govt health care was still used that someones tax dollars provided for.

    The Texas economy would in fact be better if all the illegals were sent back. The reality is an American could not live comfortably and save for their Old age on the wages those illegals will. This all those landscapers, janitors, window washers, fast food, and all those low skill jobs. Not talking about surgeons, engineers, or programmers that would be allowed in because of their educations. Takes a million dollars or more to retire in the USA with the long life spans people have. one third of this will retire them in Mexico. You, I, and anyone else reading this thread is going to live 20 people or more in a house with one bathroom to do it either. A lot of labor jobs should be paying 18-25 dollars, however they pay 10 dollars because thats nine more than an illegal would make in a day, let alone hourly.

    Hell, the Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, has spoken to her political Party announcing that the Multiculturalism trend is a failure. Because the immigrants won't immigrate.

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    Here's my take on immigration.

    My Mothers side came from Ireland, Great, Great, Great Grandmother came as an indentured Servant. She was worked very hard to pay for that third class passage ticket.

    My Great Great Grandfather was a stow away. When found, he threatened to jump over board if they tried to take him back. They worked his ass off shoveling coal. He escaped when the ship got to California. After crossing the Atlantic and sailing around South America. When he paid for his Brothers passage years later. When he did start a Family, his children were forbidden to speak Portuguese in front of guests. He was so damn proud that they could speak English he wanted his guests to know it. They also had to take turns reading the news paper out loud in English. Both to help him and because he was just as proud they could read. He wanted his descendants to be Americans not another dumb Portagee fisherman.

    So I am an American. No hyphen. No loyalties to a Country I was not born in.

    My theme is the came here to work hard and become a part of this Country. They cut their ties and never went back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hockeybobby View Post
    There's something to be said for the concept of the wealthier nations helping to raise the standard of living elsewhere, allowing citizens of poorer countries to pursue their happiness in their home country. They just want what we want (and have), and it's hard to find fault with that.
    The White Mans burden. To uplift those other cultures. Last Century they called it a Christian obligation.

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    really? the white man's burden? seriously, take that shit to stormfront. how can you use a phrase that embodies the sentiment of white supremacy, and then expect for anyone to take you seriously? or maybe your intentions are simply to offend all of the non-racists, non-whites, non-us-citizens here?

    thank god for this site's ignore list.


    @djoser, i did like that the keys was immigrant-dancer friendly. made it very comfortable for me to work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    The White Mans burden. To uplift those other cultures. Last Century they called it a Christian obligation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    The White Mans burden. To uplift those other cultures. Last Century they called it a Christian obligation.
    That's awfully condescending of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camille27 View Post
    really? the white man's burden? seriously, take that shit to stormfront. how can you use a phrase that embodies the sentiment of white supremacy, and then expect for anyone to take you seriously? or maybe your intentions are simply to offend all of the non-racists, non-whites, non-us-citizens here?

    thank god for this site's ignore list.


    @djoser, i did like that the keys was immigrant-dancer friendly. made it very comfortable for me to work!
    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    Take it or leave it. That historically, is exactly what that sentiment was called by Europeans and Americans alike. Fallen out of fashion certainly but, I for one enjoy reading History. My intentions are to say it like it is, there was once a name for that sentiment. It came with a price for those other cultures.

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    I once worked at a club with many Slavic dancers. Long story short there was a huge sex trade here where people were importing girls to dance and I suppose to turn tricks at clubs. I've posted the article here before.


    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    Yes, thats fine actually. The difference really is that your Grandmother had a support system there on hand. She didn't need to take from the Government coffers because ostensibly your Family provided. Being aged likely some Govt health care was still used that someones tax dollars provided for.

    The Texas economy would in fact be better if all the illegals were sent back. The reality is an American could not live comfortably and save for their Old age on the wages those illegals will. This all those landscapers, janitors, window washers, fast food, and all those low skill jobs. Not talking about surgeons, engineers, or programmers that would be allowed in because of their educations. Takes a million dollars or more to retire in the USA with the long life spans people have. one third of this will retire them in Mexico. You, I, and anyone else reading this thread is going to live 20 people or more in a house with one bathroom to do it either. A lot of labor jobs should be paying 18-25 dollars, however they pay 10 dollars because thats nine more than an illegal would make in a day, let alone hourly.

    Hell, the Chancellor of Germany, Angela Merkel, has spoken to her political Party announcing that the Multiculturalism trend is a failure. Because the immigrants won't immigrate.
    I think in KS Stevia's case that seems right. I know of a case where this couple came here after they retired from USSR before the country split up and managed to get social security here though they never paid in. I'd like to know how they did it but they did and it makes me livid, especially if social security goes broke as predicted. Years ago I worked for a social service organization to help people and the amount of people on welfare who were immgrants astounded me. I don't think most immigrants are on welfare, but it made me upset when people who never paid in got money yet at times I needed assistance and got denied.

    Incidentally, some of the most anti immigration people I know are from immigrants. For instance my one guy friend (the one I call Flakey) is more anti illegal immigration than me. What I don't mention is his parents are immigrants from Italy! They worked hard, came here legally and learned English. My friend barely speaks Italian and served in the navy.

    Speaking of Europe, I have several French relatives and they are scared that the Muslim immigrants will take over everything. If people are scared of illegal immigration here my relatives are even more frightened because according to my relatives they are trying to impose views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ actually, the existing wording of the 14th amendment's 'under the jurisdiction thereof' could easily be interpreted to mean that while the children of 'freed slaves' were 'under the jurisdiction' of the US gov't ( via the Federal victory over the slave-holding Confederacy ), while children of US embassy or military personnel stationed in foreign countries are 'under the jurisdiction, even that children born to US taxpaying citizens living in a foreign country are 'under the jurisdiction' as a result of their payment of US taxes etc., that children born to non-citizens who are illegally within US borders at the time of the birth arguably are NOT 'under the jurisdiction'. All it would take is a new US Supreme Court ruling to that effect.

    Such a ruling / clarification of the 14th amendment would remove a major incentive for illegal immigration ... i.e. the fact that a child born to illegal aliens on US soil, under present circumstances, is immediately eligible for medicaid plus a host of social welfare benefits. At the same time, under present circumstances, the illegal alien parents are essentially 'exempt' from deportation while they act as 'agent' for the child's medicaid and social welfare benefits ( i.e. until the child reaches the age of 18 ). This 'anchor baby' syndrome is extremely widespread.
    Illegal immigrants are under US jurisdiction. If they get caught breaking any US laws and are convicted, they will go to jail or prison. They do not have diplomatic immunity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainwrek View Post
    Hopefully this doesnt come as a shock to you, but large numbers of uneducated 3rd world people flooding into a modernized "1st world" nation has NEVER proven beneficial to the host nation.
    That's complete nonsense. Many of the poor European immigrants that came here during the 19th and early 20th century weren't much different than the "uneducated 3rd world people" that want to immigrate here today.

    30 - 40 years ago, most of the people living in China and India would be considered "uneducated 3rd world people". Now China and India have two of the strongest, fastest growing economies in the world.

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    i knew i should have never clicked on this thread. i live in arizona and have lived here my entire freaking life and every year it is starting to look more and more like mexico with all of the grafitti and fucked up neighborhoods. i've been to mexico a few times in some of the "good' and not so good parts and am very familiar with what it looks like down there. what i can say is this; and it's going to be long as i have done some research aside from having to see the negative affects of illegal immigration first hand.

    1. our school system is suffering GREATLY. in arizona we have the lowest sat and aims scores in the country due to our schools being over run with anchor babies and school funding getting cut left and right. seriously, about 5 years ago when i was still in high school all of my classes had and average of 40 students and sometimes more.

    2. they are sucking up a lot of the jobs here. even if they are the lower paying less desirable jobs. jobs like mcdonalds and walmart could be filled with american/legal immigrant teens and elders and mean while we're handing them over to illegals for a few dollars less. as if it's not bad enough that they are sucking up a good portion of our retirement but now the college kids also have to fight for their crappy part time jobs too.

    3. i am all for going where you need to go and do what you need to do in order to better provide for your family but not at the expense of another family's well-being. i'm sick of hearing about these fuckers coming over here and stealing people's identities so that they can break the law and shit and hop the border back to mexico just so that they can come back and steal another identity and do it again. and b.t.w it takes a veeery long time to clean up identity theft.

    my family came from germany but they did it LEGALLY and they learned ENGLISH and no they were not rich. i like legal immigrants and i have several legal immigrant friends who agree with me. they feel that all of the illegal immigrants are discounting/cheapening what they had to do to come here. if i wanted to go to mexico i would have to learn spanish and get a visa or w/e but basically do it legally or they would throw me in mexican jail and deport my ass back to the u.s. but for some fucking reason when we deport their asses back; we're evil. what the fuck ever mexico! it's so rude for them to come here illegally expecting us to learn spanish for them and give them free education, food, housing, etc.. most jobs here do not want you unless you are bilingual and i can't even begin to explain how much that pisses me off.
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    ^ I don't believe illegals can work in McDonalds or Walmart - you need a SSN to do that. I know, because I tried as both a legal resident of the US (visa holder) and non-legal resident (after my visa expired). It's impossible to get a paycheck with them unless you have a social and can prove you're legal to work in the US.



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    Quote Originally Posted by 4everresolutions View Post
    ^ I don't believe illegals can work in McDonalds or Walmart - you need a SSN to do that. I know, because I tried as both a legal resident of the US (visa holder) and non-legal resident (after my visa expired). It's impossible to get a paycheck with them unless you have a social and can prove you're legal to work in the US.
    they steal identities in order to do it. it's very common here in arizona. we have a very high identity theft rate here.
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