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    ^ Actually, my mother's company guarantees raises every year, and they aren't changing the cost of copays. They're the same as they used to be when I was covered as a teenager. They have a contract, and they're not changing it. It's a good company, one of the best ones to work for in this country. They take care of their employees.

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    Actually you don't need to resort to marriage to become a legal resident ( and eventual citizen ) of a different country ! The classic term for doing this is 'voting with your feet'.

    Good luck getting a work permit in the EU without marriage. I suppose if you can move there and live off your own wealth that would work, but that's not a viable option for the vast majority of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    I agree that Democrats are pussies, and they need to get their shit together and take a stand.

    But you know what? Starting January 1 of 2011, I once again get complete health, vision, and dental coverage from my Mom's insurance through her work. It used to be I could only get it through the age of 22 if I was in school full-time. Now, thanks to Obama's health care reform, I get total coverage again, and my taxes have been lower these past two years than they ever were when Bush was in office. So it really does make a difference, and this stuff really does effect people's lives.
    and you will likely return to being fucked in a couple years when you are too old to be on your mother's health insurance.
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    Hi Athena,

    One other thing you might want to consider about voting. You seem to be an intelligent person. When fewer intelligent people vote, these people's votes count more:





    Anyway, I respect whatever decision you make about voting. Just wanted to give you a few things to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    I think the energy would be best spent trying to find someone with citizenship in a better country to marry.
    I guess the grass is often greener on the other side. I've got French and Canadian citizenship, and I'd give up both of them in a heartbeat for USA citizenship. Too bad citizenship isn't something you can trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Hi Athena,

    One other thing you might want to consider about voting. You seem to be an intelligent person. When fewer intelligent people vote, these people's votes count more:





    Anyway, I respect whatever decision you make about voting. Just wanted to give you a few things to consider.
    How did you get a photo of people that live near me?

    Sad but I really live near people like that. There's one guy who lives near me and has asked me for a date. This guy has a long greasy ponytail, no teeth and drives a big truck with a huge Confederate flag on the back. Did I mention he's a staunch Republican too? Yeah I can't wait to get away from dumbass ville. I'd never tell these people about me being a stripper because I'm sure they'd think I was a whore (in between cutting down working women, blacks, gays and everyone else they loathe).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    and you will likely return to being fucked in a couple years when you are too old to be on your mother's health insurance.
    I was already too old. The health care reform is what lets me be covered again, for the exact same amount as before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pierrepaul View Post
    I guess the grass is often greener on the other side. I've got French and Canadian citizenship, and I'd give up both of them in a heartbeat for USA citizenship. Too bad citizenship isn't something you can trade.
    May I ask why you would want to live in the US? I don't think you'd feel that way if you had an urgent medical need and were unable to get healthcare. They will literally just let you die here over that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    I was already too old. The health care reform is what lets me be covered again, for the exact same amount as before.

    You realized that they will not have to let you be covered on your mother's health insurance forever right? You've just got a bit more time, that's all. I agree, it's an improvement, but still woefully inadequate, and certainly not the great "change" we were led to expect.
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    I guess the U.S. got teabagged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    You realized that they will not have to let you be covered on your mother's health insurance forever right? You've just got a bit more time, that's all. I agree, it's an improvement, but still woefully inadequate, and certainly not the great "change" we were led to expect.
    I'm not asking for forever. I think it's till I'm 26, and since I'll be married by 25, I'm certainly happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    May I ask why you would want to live in the US? I don't think you'd feel that way if you had an urgent medical need and were unable to get healthcare. They will literally just let you die here over that.
    That's not true. Doctors still have to follow the hippocratic oath. If he walks into a private hospital, if there is time they will transfer him to the public hospital though.

    I voted because the polling center is a short brisk walk from my house and I need the exercise. Plus I was involved with a political campaign earlier this year (my guy lost in the primaries) and I got to personally know some of the candidates and wanted to lend my support.

    Also, I'm in Texas. The repubs are going to rule but I think my little voice still adds up to the mass voices of the democrat dissenters of der fuhrer Rick Perry. Watch out ya'll, he's another Dubya with thick wavy 1980's hair and he wants to be YOUR president.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    That's not true. Doctors still have to follow the hippocratic oath. If he walks into a private hospital, if there is time they will transfer him to the public hospital though.
    Where they are only required to stabilize you, not truly treat or cure you. So if it was, say, a car accident, he would likely be saved (assuming the delay in being taken first to a hospital that won't take you, then transfered to another hospital wasn't too much of a factor. And I'm pretty sure they aren't always obligated to take you by ambulance to another hospital). However, if you're in need of life saving chemotherapy, or an organ transplant for example, you can be denied those treatments and you can die from that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    Where they are only required to stabilize you, not truly treat or cure you. So if it was, say, a car accident, he would likely be saved (assuming the delay in being taken first to a hospital that won't take you, then transfered to another hospital wasn't too much of a factor. And I'm pretty sure they aren't always obligated to take you by ambulance to another hospital). However, if you're in need of life saving chemotherapy, or an organ transplant for example, you can be denied those treatments and you can die from that.
    Fair enough, you are correct. They put you on a list. They do the same thing in Europe, but since taxes cover adequate healthcare, that list actually moves/

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    ^^^ Yeah. Some people say that they've had to wait fr a really long time in Europe, but that has not been my experience in Europe or anyone else's in my family, and my parents have been living in many western European countries off and on for several decades. We've never had to wait very long to see a doctor, and my mother has had some serious health issues. The only problems any of us have ever had with getting medical attention have been issues with insurance in the US. I'm not sure how bad the situation can be in some EU countries, but it was always pretty good for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    The likelihood of a zombie apocalypse succeeding is very small.

    Perhaps.....but knowing that Athena has our backs makes me feel alot better should it ever occur .



    On the cali political front - we lost our ganja quest (booooooooooo!), but at least our dysfunctional state is still blue .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    May I ask why you would want to live in the US? I don't think you'd feel that way if you had an urgent medical need and were unable to get healthcare. They will literally just let you die here over that.
    Canadian healthcare IMO is a joke; when my son needed to see a particular specialist, every specialist in that field except for one told us they were not taking any more patients. The one who didn't tell us to get lost told us he was completely booked and to call back in 6 months to be put on a waiting list.

    I made a call to a specialist in Boston; had an appointment for the next day and my son's condition was treated within a week.

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    Actually, my mother's company guarantees raises every year, and they aren't changing the cost of copays. They're the same as they used to be when I was covered as a teenager. They have a contract, and they're not changing it. It's a good company, one of the best ones to work for in this country. They take care of their employees.
    Ahhh ... protected by union membership ... or at least protected right up to the point where the company decides to outsource its work to India !

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    ^ She works for Southwest Airlines...I don't think they're going to outsource to India.

    Seriously. Not everyone liberal is evil. Stop being so pessimistic about everything.

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    ^^^ yup under the circumstances I am incorrect. Southwest indeed won't shed unionized US jobs due to outsourcing to India. Instead, Southwest will shed unionized US jobs due to loss of business to lower operating cost lower ticket price Delta !

    (snip)"Nov 03, 2010

    ATLANTA - Delta Air Lines has received notification from the National Mediation Board (NMB) that a majority – more than 53 percent - of flight attendants voting in the election rejected representation by the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA). In response, Delta Senior Vice President of In-Flight Service Joanne Smith issued the following message to its 20,000 flight attendants:

    "We are happy to share the results of the Delta flight attendant representation election we received today from the National Mediation Board. The majority of voters rejected AFA representation. This is a win for all Delta flight attendants."(snip)

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    Please don't read me wrong. In your particular case, it is a good thing that your mother has a highly paid union protected job, and also a good thing that your mother's employer has chosen ( to the degree that union contracts allow a choice ) not to pass on the additional cost of reinstating your health insurance ( as mandated by Obamacare ) to your mother.

    But for a fact those additional costs will have to be paid by somebody ... either by Southwest stockholders / bondholders, or by Southwest ticket buyers, or by the (former) employees that Southwest has to lay off in order to spread the same X dollars worth of employee benefit budget among a smaller pool of remaining US employees. If it's the stockholders and bondholders, all of sudden Southwest's borrowing costs go up and it becomes more difficult for them to replace and/or maintain their rolling stock - which will hurt business after a year or two. If it's the ticket buyers, then many will simply decide to book their next flight with lower cost Delta airlines instead thus hurting business immediately. And if it's the employees, this means that if she's lucky enough to avoid a layoff your mom will wind up working 20% harder in exchange for the same paycheck and benefits. One way or another, there is no free lunch !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvia View Post
    Where they are only required to stabilize you, not truly treat or cure you. So if it was, say, a car accident, he would likely be saved (assuming the delay in being taken first to a hospital that won't take you, then transfered to another hospital wasn't too much of a factor. And I'm pretty sure they aren't always obligated to take you by ambulance to another hospital). However, if you're in need of life saving chemotherapy, or an organ transplant for example, you can be denied those treatments and you can die from that.

    if you cant afford insurance, you can qualify for medicade.....do you honestly think that they just dont treat poor people?

    And as far as the new healthcare goes, now that we have had the time to review the entire bill......It looks like our options will be to either A) discontinue healthcare coverage and just pay the fine per employee...or B) Layoff another 8-10% of our workforce.

    McDonalds announce the same thing a while ago, until the senate oversight committee got a hold of them...and now McDonalds isnt saying anything about it....but they are now seeking a waiver so they dont have to comply with the bill........

    my guess is that very large companies will get the waiver....while the rest of the mid-small business will be forced to comply...(the very ones that can least afford to take on this additional cost)

    Probably something that could have been foreseen, if the people who approved the bill actually had a chance to read it first.

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    ^^^ yup under the circumstances I am incorrect. Southwest indeed won't shed unionized US jobs due to outsourcing to India. Instead, Southwest will shed unionized US jobs due to loss of business to lower operating cost lower ticket price Delta !

    (snip)"Nov 03, 2010

    ATLANTA - Delta Air Lines has received notification from the National Mediation Board (NMB) that a majority – more than 53 percent - of flight attendants voting in the election rejected representation by the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA). In response, Delta Senior Vice President of In-Flight Service Joanne Smith issued the following message to its 20,000 flight attendants:

    "We are happy to share the results of the Delta flight attendant representation election we received today from the National Mediation Board. The majority of voters rejected AFA representation. This is a win for all Delta flight attendants."(snip)

    from http://www.eturbonews.com/19380/delt...union-3rd-time


    Please don't read me wrong. In your particular case, it is a good thing that your mother has a highly paid union protected job, and also a good thing that your mother's employer has chosen ( to the degree that union contracts allow a choice ) not to pass on the additional cost of reinstating your health insurance ( as mandated by Obamacare ) to your mother.

    But for a fact those additional costs will have to be paid by somebody ... either by Southwest stockholders / bondholders, or by Southwest ticket buyers, or by the (former) employees that Southwest has to lay off in order to spread the same X dollars worth of employee benefit budget among a smaller pool of remaining US employees. If it's the stockholders and bondholders, all of sudden Southwest's borrowing costs go up and it becomes more difficult for them to replace and/or maintain their rolling stock - which will hurt business after a year or two. If it's the ticket buyers, then many will simply decide to book their next flight with lower cost Delta airlines instead thus hurting business immediately. And if it's the employees, this means that if she's lucky enough to avoid a layoff your mom will wind up working 20% harder in exchange for the same paycheck and benefits. One way or another, there is no free lunch !!!
    Again you're making things up based on your ideology without having even the slightest idea if it's true. Why must you always do this? Why do you need to inject negativity into every discussion?

    Southwest Airlines has among the lowest, maybe even the lowest operating costs of all of the major airlines. Southwest is able to keep their expenses down by operating efficiently, rather than cutting employees' wages.

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Southwest-...tive&id=111277

    --snip--
    The labor costs for Southwest typically accounts for about 37% of its operating costs. Perhaps the most critical element of the successful low-fare airline business model is achieving significantly higher labor productivity. According to a recent HBS Case Study, southwest airlines is the “most heavily unionized” US airline (about 81% of its employees belong to an union) and its salary rates are considered to be at or above average compared to the US airline industry. The low-fare carrier labor advantage is in much more flexible work rules that allow cross-utilization of virtually all employees (except where disallowed by licensing and safety standards). Such cross-utilization and a long-standing culture of cooperation among labor groups translate into lower unit labor costs. At Southwest in 4th quarter 2000, total labor expense per available seat mile (ASM) was more than 25% below that of United and American, and 58% less than US Airways.

    Carriers like Southwest have a tremendous cost advantage over network airlines simply because their workforce generates more output per employee. In a study in 2001, the productivity of Southwest employees was over 45% higher than at American and United, despite the substantially longer flight lengths and larger average aircraft size of these network carriers. Therefore by its relentless pursuit for lowest labor costs, Southwest is able to positively impact its bottom line revenues.
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    I have a friend who works for Southwest and she LOVES it. Waiting list to even get an interview there is over 1 year long. They do treat their employees well, but that still could change.

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    I vote because I want to be able to get an abortion if I ever get raped.

    Which, according to some candidates, shouldn't be an option.

    You know, silly stuff like that.

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    I don't see why it would change. Their earnings and revenue are up significantly over last year.

    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010...ngs-record-3q/

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