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    Default My current thoughts on webcamming

    This is a piece I wrote this morning from my Official Blog - I feel many of you ladies here need to read it.

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    "There's no such thing as free."</center>

    That seemed to be the theme phrase of which consistently popped up at random times throughout my day yesterday - and I can see why. I not only needed to hear that message - I needed to understand it and relate it to all of you - my readers, fans and friends.

    Many people who work within the porn arena seem to be consistently bitching and moaning about "free" tube sites making it more difficult for porn studios, producers and companies to make money. Well it's all a crock of shit - because the larger studios and companies are making MUCH more money than they EVER have due to all of the free content circulating - the only thing is that it's only a FEW key studios and companies making the money. They are giving away the product for free in order to squeeze out the competition, indoctrinate the upcoming generation of consumers to only like THEIR product, and to justify paying the talent, production crews and small scale content developers less. IT'S ALL A GREAT BIG SCAM.

    How do I know this? Well it's begun to happen in MY primary market of porn - webcamming...and I am VERY upset and I'm not going to go down without sinking my venomous teeth into certain parties first, unless I get a payoff.

    About a year or so ago - a little website popped up called - seemed harmless enough so of course I signed up as webcam girl and have logged on to work every now and then. I will not anymore though - want to know why? Because I can't make any money on their network - and neither can anyone else.

    The site itself makes plenty and the audience LOVES it because it's "FREE". You can (and are encouraged to) get completely naked ("tastefully" of course) in free chat and then BEG for the viewers to donate "tokens". Now do the majority of viewers donate? No. And why should they? It's "free". A few nice guys here and there do though and most likely the actual website moderators do some donation "simulations" from behind the scenes to make it look like the money is flowing to the performers, but is it really? No. Also keep in mind that MyFreeCams.com keeps a large percentage of each performer's "donations".

    MyFreeCams.com has fucked it up for other GOOD, fair, professional and hardworking webcam networks such as and - both of which feature free CLOTHED chat, but make the viewers pay in order to see more.

    Look, I am all about change and progress but I am very ANTI-SLAVERY and business model is all about turning good webcam girls into essentially STREET BEGGARS and SLAVES.

    It has gotten so bad for webcam girls at this stage, that even on the GOOD webcam network sites, the viewers have been so conditioned as to how works that they consistently berate and insult the cam models, because they are not getting to see whatever they want for "FREE".

    Being a webcam girl used to give the model the power to name her price. Now, it has changed to where the viewer decides what he feels like "donating" AFTER he's received the product. I refuse to allow someone else to decide what I'm worth. I DECIDE WHAT I AM WORTH.

    Seems to me that the porn industry started to notice that webcam girls were making a good living independently and though they have MILLIONS of dollars, it just was not enough so now through , large key porn companies have decided to roadblock me from being able to make just enough money to pay my rent and bills.

    On many occasions I will be online doing webcam shows in the free chat section and I consistently have viewers say "hey, let's chat for FREE, but I don't need a live show because while we're chatting I'm watching you get fucked in a porn scene I found you in on a FREE TUBE site".

    So I've basically been totally roadblocked as a pornstar AND webcamgirl.

    Unless a guy is a true fan, I can't make any money through my doing live webcam shows much anymore. I don't receive any residuals for any of the porn movies I've done. If I ever were to shoot a scene for another porn studio again, I doubt the rate I'd be offered for a scene would be over $700. I will never be a "contract girl" being that I'm almost 32 years old and black - and it's not likely that my investor will come through in the end for me to even start my own production company properly.

    I need a regular job at this stage, and I'm not even certain where to begin to look being that I haven't had a non-adult industry related job since about 2002. I definitely am intelligent and embody a certain area of expertise - but it feels hopeless.

    Fuck you MyFreeCams.com - Fuck you tube sites which are heavily supported by Brazzers and Jules Jordan (I have a strong inclination that MyFreeCams.com is SOMEHOW being backed by whoever backs Jules Jordan considering that Jenna Haze will be signing at THEIR BOOTH at Exxxotica in New Jersey this weekend) and FUCK YOU INDIVIDUALS who have attempted to break me (yet failed) and have attempted to tell me WHAT I AM WORTH.

    ONLY I SET MY PRICE and though I'm poor I WILL NOT BE BROKEN.

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    yeah it makes me cringe everytime i go into a room a see a girl asking/demanding for tokens (usually only 10-20$ worth) and can't get it in a room of 200+ like out of all those 200 'viewers' a girl can't get a 100/500 tip? that's not a lot of money. Some girls seem to be very successful(20-30) but the vast majority(like 1k?) of camgirls seem to struggle there-at least from what I observed in freechat.

    As bad as it is I don't think there's any other camsite in which a girl can make upwards of 50k in one month though.

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    Here's my thought on this and I will keep this very short. People complain... I see it here all the time on sw and it's disgusting.

    Some ladies complain about chargebacks KNOWING that a site is known for chargebacks.. how? because they read it on sw! They just convinced themselves that it is the price to pay for working from home.. Which is bullshit.

    They complain about customer. This site has nice customers and the other site has mean customers. Umm... Who gives a fuck! Make your money!

    They complain about MFC .. how it's the same top girls all the time. Why is it that way? they don't believe the hype. Some even go as far as praising the top girls and posting about it here.. really? Lame!

    My thing is if webcamming isn't working for you. If you are struggling to pay your bills with webcam FIND SOMETHING ELSE! Don't complain! There are soo many jobs in the adult industry. I get sick of hearing about girls that can't make their rent.. like really? Either hustle your ass off.. Yeah whatever you were doing before isn't working now switch that shit up OR FIND SOMETHING ELSE!

    Honestly? I quit camming because I stopped believing in it. Maybe it's because of sw but I just stopped believing in spending all my time online to make x amount of money a month.. .How much do I make now? More than a lot of people on sw because guess what? I FOUND SOMETHING ELSE!

    Some ladies will complain about the site's traffic but yet they don't promote themselves. A good example of promotion? Pussy Playground. She might not be the hottest webcam girl ever but the girl knows how to promote the hell out of herself!

    STOP blaming sites, Stop blaming that girl that looks just like you because you think she's taking all your customers, Stop blaming other and look at yourself! I run a massage business now and don't even have to advertise to get clients. That is how big my business have gotten. If I put all the energy I put into this business into webcamming I'd be BANKING x30. There are so many ways to make money in this industry. I'm sure the smartest most intelligent person in this world wouldn't have to work for anyone else...why? they'd create their own job.

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    Oh and FYI.. MFC was never my main site and I made good money.. Just had to add. Why does everyone feel they need MFC to make money? eesh!

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    Very well written Monica, and I'm sorry for you troubles.

    I feel the economy also has played a very big part in the begging as well. We are a cheap society! I could see why any of that would upset you. But, can I get a BIG EFF YOU for the girls who perform without any tips, or money at all! I'm a newb to MFC's still, but I can honestly say I WILL NOT do anything for free, and I do stick to my set token prices. There are some performers out there who will plunge a dildo in thier twats for all to see, only hoping they get a tip(Those are the one's who make our jobs harder)! That's the stuff that pisses me off on any site. And yes, you are right! Why the hell is there only a few good tippers? That's why I put my LURKERS to work.
    I really do hope things get better in this industry for everyone, and models can find a bit more control.

    HUGS!

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    You have a major fucking problem "Kayla" and you always have from what I've observed of you.

    If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that I'm informing others and not simply "complaining". You'd also see that I don't feel and never have felt MFC was the end all AND if you'd even taken the time to have read a bit about me, you'd know that I'm all about diversifying what you do in life to create an income.

    I do not like you Kayla because you have some issues in regards to being supportive of your sisters. Grow up.

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    I may get flamed, but allow me to share my thoughts.

    Monica, everything you posted is why I think adult work as a long term career can be a bad idea. I mean it's great for college students trying to support themselves, women who are saving to start a legit business, or ladies looking to supplement their income. But year after year after year, what can we really expect to get out of it?

    I see ladies get so caught up the cash they're making today they ignore the bigger picture. (And no, I'm not chastising you all - I'm including myself in that group as well!) Whether it's MFC or I'mLive, bottom line models are are the mercy of the hosting site. Look how everyone scrambled when Epassport went down. So sure you can create your own camming schedule, choose your outfits and kick jerks out of your webcam room, but who's really making the BIG money? Even if you made $2000 camming a week that is pennies compared to what the sites themselves pull in each and every day. And if these cam companies, porn producers or escort directories pull the plug, how are we going to pay the rent?

    I think ladies should start forming an exit strategy. Where do you see yourself in 5 years? Do you want to go to college or earn some sort of certificate? What are you going to do when you're too old to webcam, escort, or shoot porn? Better to figure it all out now then wait 'til your back is up against the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    You have a major fucking problem "Kayla" and you always have from what I've observed of you.

    If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that I'm informing others and not simply "complaining". You'd also see that I don't feel and never have felt MFC was the end all AND if you'd even taken the time to have read a bit about me, you'd know that I'm all about diversifying what you do in life to create an income.

    I do not like you Kayla because you have some issues in regards to being supportive of your sisters. Grow up.
    Great.. You don't like me. Ok I'm going to cry now.

    First of all, I wasn't even talking TO you. I took bits and pieces from your post and addressed the board. Sorry you took it as an attack but I wasn't trying to attack YOU.

    I have a problem because I am telling people to find something else to supplement their income? It never fails .. there is always someone crying about not making enough money camming.. ALWAYS SOMEONE.. EVERYDAY HERE ON SW! So my thing is . if you're not making enough money doing what you're doing .. why keep doing it? Does that make any sense? Yes it does. I saw the downfall of my cam career long before I made my decision to quit.

    Let me clear this up: Downfall not because I couldn't make any money but downfall due to family obligations.

    Fact of the matter is camming is a very individualized job. Just because someone makes 1k a week doesn't mean the other makes 1k a week. Just because someone makes 10k a month doesn't mean you're going to make 10k a month. Yes there are still ladies making 10-20k camming. Have you ever asked yourself why that is? ...

    Monica sorry I am not going to cry with you. I am not going to sit here and scream at you either. If you took that post as an attack oh well. All I said was stop complaining and find something else.

    Support? Wait... Support? Did you just say I don't support my "sisters"? Do you know how many ladies I've helped become independent business women .. FOR FREE? Yeah I'm sure you don't. Please!!!

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    I actually hear what you're saying Naughtia - however I (and others) can't exactly go back in time.

    The purpose of my posting actually is to deter other's from having taken my road as of current. I'm roadblocked - many women who have taken my path are.

    I'm just putting it out there so others can learn and know. Whether they're in the adult biz, or not.

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    Kayla - again, shut up and stop looking for attention on every single thread.

    I hope you get a life offline and maybe just 1 real friend oneday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    Kayla - again, shut up and stop looking for attention on every single thread.

    I hope you get a life offline and maybe just 1 real friend oneday.
    You sound like a Loser commenting about my life offline because you don't know me offline LMAO. Noone is looking for attention. I was just trying to help you out.

    I am not the one complaining am I. So maybe you should take what I have to say into consideration.

    Oh and Just fyi, I have lots of friends.

    Damn that was SOUND advice I gave.. and I'm being attacked for it. Gosh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by naughtia View Post

    I see ladies get so caught up the cash they're making today they ignore the bigger picture. (And no, I'm not chastising you all - I'm including myself in that group as well!) Whether it's MFC or I'mLive, bottom line models are are the mercy of the hosting site. Look how everyone scrambled when Epassport went down. So sure you can create your own camming schedule, choose your outfits and kick jerks out of your webcam room, but who's really making the BIG money? Even if you made $2000 camming a week that is pennies compared to what the sites themselves pull in each and every day. And if these cam companies, porn producers or escort directories pull the plug, how are we going to pay the rent?
    Ditto!!!

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    Again Kayla - shut up and stop showing how disfunctional you are by continuing to reply with your negativity (though I know you will not stop - you can't).

    You are not a porn performer, so you are not aware of, nor do you understand certain things I touched on in my initial post. Yes you are in the adult industry but there are certain things you are not aware of or exposed to.

    I have nothing more to say to you little girl. Now run along and play and continue having fun posting on everything thread - whether you can actually contribute something positive to it from solid experience - or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    I actually hear what you're saying Naughtia - however I (and others) can't exactly go back in time.

    The purpose of my posting actually is to deter other's from having taken my road as of current. I'm roadblocked - many women who have taken my path are.

    I'm just putting it out there so others can learn and know. Whether they're in the adult biz, or not.

    I realize that, but I felt the need to share my thoughts. I didn't just enter this thread to make generalizations - I'm actually speaking from experience. You and I are the same age. I can't even begin to tell you how much time I wasted in my 20's thinking that I had "all the time in the world." Now I'm 32 and in grad school when I could have been in an established career. I'm basically looking out for the younger ladies who aren't thinking ahead. And no we can't turn back the hands of time but we can at least prepare for the future instead of leaving it the hands of these adult companies.

    Bottom line, these webcam/porn sites are experiencing the same issues as the music industry did in the late 90's with Napster and Limewire. Why pay for it when you can get it for free? Giving content away is definitely going to effect the women and men who earn a living in those industries. They've got to think outside of the box before their source of income comes to a screeching halt.

    Oh and I hope we can keep this discussion going without the petty name calling. This side of the forum has been pretty low key lately and I'd had to see all that drama and negative energy come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    Again Kayla - shut up and stop showing how disfunctional you are by continuing to reply with your negativity (though I know you will not stop - you can't).

    You are not a porn performer, so you are not aware of, nor do you understand certain things I touched on in my initial post. Yes you are in the adult industry but there are certain things you are not aware of or exposed to.

    I have nothing more to say to you little girl. Now run along and play and continue having fun posting on everything thread - whether you can actually contribute something positive to it from solid experience - or not.
    Every thread? Um... I refuse to. How am I posting on every thread? Here on Otherwork? Trust me I am avoiding the majority of the threads due to the same bullshit being posted over and over again.

    Monica, How is what I posted negative? I gave sound advice. If webcam isn't working for anyone I'd say the same thing. Switch it up and try again or Quit. Sorry I am a little blunt. LOL @ Dysfunctional. Yeah and you're functional right?

    Ugh.. You must be having a REALLY bad day.

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    Don't I always contribute to this site? Um.. Hello. Where have you been? This is why I am in "Top thanked" because I have nothing to contribute?.. Please monica. Obviously you're the one that needs help.


    I am a little girl? Right. I guess you're the cry baby.. so we're even.

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    Back on Topic: From what I have learned and EXPERIENCED, MFC is not for everyone. I sure as heck wasn't one of the top earners on there. I made decent money but I won't say "Good" money. Good money on there is hit or miss so I made decent money (100-300 a day) there on a regular basis. Success on MFC has a lot to do with CAM SCORE! The higher your cam score the more customer you get coming into your room on a daily basis. There are a lot of things that factor into how high or low your cam score gets. Till today , I don't know what those things are. I know a girl that deleted her whole profile because her cam score was sOO low and started all over again when she got better camming equipment. Her cam score started to climb resulting in MORE and MORE money.

    Yes it sucks that MFC doesn't have a disclaimer up AND that they're pretty much a free porn site. A 10 year old can access that site with no problem. This is the problem I have with MFC. That is not right at all. I,personally, hope.. the site gets shutdown. It is an all out freak show!

    Now to those that feel they need to work on MFC to make money.. that is not true. I've made BANK on non free chat based sites! So do I feel MFC has "fucked it up" for any site? NO. There are sites that make millions and millions a day even with MFC being around. Again camming is a very individualized job. It's like sex.. not everyone's good at it :-)

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    This is a great post. It is fair to say that it is harder for more people to make money in the adult industry and has been going this way for years.
    A few make a lot, but for the majority, it is harder than it was to make a basic living let alone the kind of pay many expect from adult.

    The matter of "free" is a very large contributor to this, but I also believe that the economy doubles the negative impact of the "free" factor.

    As another poster mentioned, people are being taught to be cheap in the bad economy and they want a lot more for less, in all aspects of life, including the adult industry.
    From my personal experience, camming customers are more frugal than ever before, or just plain cheap. MFC just assists in that, and assists in that attitude of their customers.

    When I was on MFC I did ok for money, but the dynamic made me uncomfortable, which was the reason for me leaving and camming elsewhere. I could have made 5 times what I was making and would have still left for the same reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaylaM View Post
    Every thread? Um... I refuse to. How am I posting on every thread? Here on Otherwork? Trust me I am avoiding the majority of the threads due to the same bullshit being posted over and over again.

    Monica, How is what I posted negative? I gave sound advice. If webcam isn't working for anyone I'd say the same thing. Switch it up and try again or Quit. Sorry I am a little blunt. LOL @ Dysfunctional. Yeah and you're functional right?

    Ugh.. You must be having a REALLY bad day.

    .......

    Don't I always contribute to this site? Um.. Hello. Where have you been? This is why I am in "Top thanked" because I have nothing to contribute?.. Please monica. Obviously you're the one that needs help.


    I am a little girl? Right. I guess you're the cry baby.. so we're even.
    Your ego is showing and it aint giving off a pretty look for you Kayla......

    1) I don't appreciate you calling the stuff posted "over and over" again so called "bs". So what if people complain and ask the same questions over again. Information is always updatable and hell if i have a bad day camming i'm gonna vent here cause this is the place to do so. Sorry to "inconvenience" you.

    2) You WERE the most thanked. Last time i looked you are now #3 and slowly fading. One should be humble if your advise is in the best interest. Apparently thanking you is just an ego boost eh? Ouch, and i thought you had a good heart....

    You are making this post negative and i do not want to watch it get flushed down the drama toilet. I for one agree with OP. I was well written and eye opening. I'm not a porn star and only a newb cam girl but its nice to read others thoughts on it. Especially someone with her experience and knowledge.

    Please stop. Save some dignity and just lay off each other. Agree to disagree.

    Exit....
    I love ya Kayla but damn... i had to say something! ~runs and hides from wrath~

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    [quote=DirtyLittleSecret;2005887]Your ego is showing and it aint giving off a pretty look for you Kayla......

    1) I don't appreciate you calling the stuff posted "over and over" again so called "bs". So what if people complain and ask the same questions over again. Information is always updatable and hell if i have a bad day camming i'm gonna vent here cause this is the place to do so. Sorry to "inconvenience" you.
    DLS, Yes it is annoying answering the same questions OVER and Over again. Especially the MFC threads.. OMG! Like why do we need all that stuff for MFC.. It is not rocket science. A lot of this stuff IS rocket science but most def not what goes on on MFC.

    2) You WERE the most thanked. Last time i looked you are now #3 and slowly fading. One should be humble if your advise is in the best interest. Apparently thanking you is just an ego boost eh? Ouch, and i thought you had a good heart....
    Nope. I am top thanked under Malaya Taylor an account that I closed. Being Top thanked was a little too much to handle. Having to deal with over Over 8 pms per day. Yup I did NOT like that. I rather talk on Yahoo messenger AND I have posted my yahoo messenger here several times. I guess that means I have a bad heart. Oh well. :-)

    You are making this post negative and i do not want to watch it get flushed down the drama toilet. I for one agree with OP. I was well written and eye opening. I'm not a porn star and only a newb cam girl but its nice to read others thoughts on it. Especially someone with her experience and knowledge.
    To each their own.

    Please stop. Save some dignity and just lay off each other. Agree to disagree.

    Exit....
    I love ya Kayla but damn... i had to say something! ~runs and hides from wrath~
    and I left it alone but here we go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyLittleSecret View Post
    Your ego is showing and it aint giving off a pretty look for you Kayla......



    DLS, Yes it is annoying answering the same questions OVER and Over again. Especially the MFC threads.. OMG! Like why do we need all that stuff for MFC.. It is not rocket science. A lot of this stuff IS rocket science but most def not what goes on on MFC.



    Nope. I am top thanked under Malaya Taylor an account that I closed. Being Top thanked was a little too much to handle. Having to deal with over Over 8 pms per day. Yup I did NOT like that. I rather talk on Yahoo messenger AND I have posted my yahoo messenger here several times. I guess that means I have a bad heart. Oh well. :-)



    To each their own.



    and I left it alone but here we go again.

    You have a point about the sudden over flow of MFC posts and even i as a "newb" get annoyed by seeing the same questions over and over again. But i still answer them if i know something. Sometimes i learn something new!
    MFC is not rocket science i can absolutely agree. Its actually a no brainier which makes it even more deadly and annoying. (I have a love/hate for the site in general).

    I didn't say you had a bad heart. It was the way you put being thanked that made me cringe. I understand you get bugged a lot but i'm sure most meant well.
    I still enjoy your rare posts though and i will always thank you for them. Just don't let it become your ammo and rub it in our face.

    I still love you, maybe i just read it wrong. I just don't want to see a reenactment of the "Bambina war"..... i almost had flash backs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyLittleSecret View Post

    You have a point about the sudden over flow of MFC posts and even i as a "newb" get annoyed by seeing the same questions over and over again. But i still answer them if i know something. Sometimes i learn something new!
    MFC is not rocket science i can absolutely agree. Its actually a no brainier which makes it even more deadly and annoying. (I have a love/hate for the site in general).

    I didn't say you had a bad heart. It was the way you put being thanked that made me cringe. I understand you get bugged a lot but i'm sure most meant well.
    I still enjoy your rare posts though and i will always thank you for them. Just don't let it become your ammo and rub it in our face.

    I still love you, maybe i just read it wrong. I just don't want to see a reenactment of the "Bambina war"..... i almost had flash backs!
    Yes the MFC threads ARE getting ridiculous. I ignore them because the same stuff is being said over and over again. I don't understand why there aren't more "stickys" in other work.

    I also mentioned top thanked because she said I contributed nothing to the forum. Which is bullshit.

    Where is bambalina.. ? kinda miss her.

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    I decided to post my blog on Xbiz.net as well and received a VERY telling reply from a man named Stephen who either works for or run's XbizWorld which is an adult industry trade magazine. You can view this for yourself here:
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    He wrote the following reply:
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    While I agree with your point and understand your frustration, what the surfer is doing is the same as any diner who tips a waitress -- (regardless of any minimal base salary) the waitress performs the work in hopes of receiving a gratuity. A good waitress gets a good tip, a shitty one gets stiffed. It's all in what you put into it. Want more money? Open your own restaurant.

    Not to be a ball-buster, but you can decide your own worth with your own site's pricing -- or by accepting the terms of an employer. Having said that, MFC now seems to be the big dog these days and other companies are following its lead, so just going to a different cam network may be a short-term solution.

    You are a beautiful and intelligent woman and there will always be a market for that, but not-so beautiful and not-so-intelligent works for free in 2011.

    Are there easy solutions? Who knows. The wife was thinking of doing cam shows again (at 47), by why try to compete with 18 year olds that will stand on their heads and gargle peanut butter? She might pull up a comfy spot in front of the fire, pour a glass of wine, and spend the next hour or two playing a game of chess, live on cam. Nudity not required -- only "company" and a good game. But that's from her own site, not working for a cam network. (Potential) Opportunities are still there...
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    I thought it was good he was offering "alternatives" in regards to marketing strategies but his overall tone and mentality really stunk in my view. Here was my response:

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    So in your view Stephen, a "webcam model" or a "pornstar" is the equivalent of a "waitress".....I suppose any sex worker in your view should simply perform her task and then ask "what do you think that was worth?" .... very enlightening as to your exact state of mind and mentality Stephen. Especially being that 99% of the time, webcam models DO NOT receive a base salary.

    Amazing how you don't see a sex performer, who is her own "product", as being up to par with your concept of a "restaurant" type entity.

    And by the way...I actually do own and run my own sites, however I don't own/run a webcam network as of current.

    Until certain adult entertainment companies decided to give it all away for free (and I'm not just tube sites now - the live element is "free" as well suddenly via - which is so strange considering that a 10 year old could access that site and there isn't much of a disclaimer or verification process as to whether or not the viewer is over 1 , in order to create a monopoly (and again, I can understand and deal with change - but not slavery) - there wasn't an issue.

    It's ok though Stephen, you feel as you do being that your advertising dollars I'm sure come from the "Give it all for free" business model, I understand your point.

    Your point however SCARES me in regards to how pornstars may be paid in the future. Considering how Vivid and other companies of the like recently have released their contract girls (very few contract girls nowdays in porn), and that most adult actors and actresses are hired as independent contractors, maybe the "webcam model tipping" system will eventually be implemented in regards to how much people are paid who perform in a porn movie...maybe it'll be something along the lines of the director saying "hey, that was worth X amount of dollars in my view" - or maybe the director won't pay the talent ANYTHING and only pay them after receiving feedback via a ratings system from their audience.

    I suppose in mainstream entertainment "residuals" are often just that, but we all know that in porn, there are no residuals for the talent...

    Who knows, maybe oneday you'll find yourself working essentially for free Stephen but you'll be OK with it
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    On many levels this has far more to do with whether to be a webcam girl or not or whether to enter adult entertainment or not. This has to do with how PEOPLE (especially WOMEN) are viewed in our society and whether or not we should stand up and say "hey, this isn't right - what I'm doing for a living is worth much more than what you're attempting to TELL ME it's worth".

    The problem with the abundance of free porn AND now free live webcams is that it makes us into virtual slaves. I DEFINITELY at this stage of the game as I view it would not recommend that any woman go into porn or webcamming.

    I've heard many say "Free is the Future" but I'll tell ya, the last time there was a large degree of "free labor" in America during slave times - right before the Civil War. Men like that guy "Stephen" scare me to death because they'd be the same guy who was standing in a cotton field on a plantation with a whip in their hand.

    I'm trying to figure out where to go with my life from here and I understand that you have to "stop talking about it and do it" in order to move ahead - however I also believe that at times you have to stand up and fight for positive change - rather than run away or move on to something else.

    I can not go back in time, and honestly - I wouldn't want to because I've enjoyed the journey and I'm a fighter and I will fight to the death to regain what has been stolen from not just myself - but others too.

    And I might wind up "dying" - but you can only die once.

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    That was way too much to read, but I've seen many people now compare camming to waitressing which is BS.

    I work at a strip club where guys are required to tip after and most do, but not all. So why would I dare do a webcam show and expect the cheap asses to tip afterwards? Half of them wouldn't because it is not required. I think it'd be nice if I did a webcam show and everyone who watched was required to tip afterwards what they thought it was worth. But that's just not how it works.

    I personally like myfreecams and I make money there. It's certainly not 10k a month but I make what I put into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    He wrote the following reply:
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    While I agree with your point and understand your frustration, what the surfer is doing is the same as any diner who tips a waitress -- (regardless of any minimal base salary) the waitress performs the work in hopes of receiving a gratuity. A good waitress gets a good tip, a shitty one gets stiffed. It's all in what you put into it. Want more money? Open your own restaurant.
    Hey, makes sense to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    The problem with the abundance of free porn AND now free live webcams is that it makes us into virtual slaves. I DEFINITELY at this stage of the game as I view it would not recommend that any woman go into porn or webcamming.
    How does that make you into virtual slaves? Slavery is forced upon individuals. Webcamming is a choice. If anything sites like MFC makes competition really tough and you really have to work even harder to sustain a living. I guess I don't understand your slave comparison. Please clarify.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    I've heard many say "Free is the Future" but I'll tell ya, the last time there was a large degree of "free labor" in America during slave times - right before the Civil War. Men like that guy "Stephen" scare me to death because they'd be the same guy who was standing in a cotton field on a plantation with a whip in their hand.
    Don't you think that's a little harsh? I don't know Stephen but I'm sure he would be insulted to know you're comparing him to a slave owner, especially when he was just trying to help.

    Quote Originally Posted by MonicaF View Post
    I'm trying to figure out where to go with my life from here and I understand that you have to "stop talking about it and do it" in order to move ahead - however I also believe that at times you have to stand up and fight for positive change - rather than run away or move on to something else.
    How do you plan to "fight"? That is a serious question. I promise you I am not being facetious.

    To me this is no different than the many industries affected by technology. Newspapers, magazines (why purchase periodicals when you can read online for FREE?), the postal service (pay bills online, again for FREE), payphones, and so forth.

    Monica I've followed your career through the years from your posts on here and your blog. One thing you have going for you is that you're an excellent self promoter. Maybe you can turn that skill into some kind of consulting business outside of the adult industry.
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    This isn't going to be a popular opinion but I agree with Stephen.

    I remember girls back in 2003 bitching about how the yahoo chat rooms were destroying our business because slutty girls would get on cam and entertain just for shits and giggles. Now, it's the free pay sites. Same shit, different day as far as I'm concerned.

    Industries change over time, and that isn't limited to the adult industry. You either adapt or you die. Some women will find new ways to work the system and others will give up shouting about how impossible it all is.

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