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    Default I know it's called being a dancer-but

    Do think it's an essential part of making money as a stripper knowing how to dance well?

    I want to be a stripper not based on the aspect of dancing (I realize I will have to, which is why I'm trying to learn how much emphasis is put on being a good one), but because I think I could be very good at hustling, reading body language, flirting/playing "the fantasy", and having good charisma. I've worked in retail for years, and can basically get anyone to buy anything without being offensively pushy in the least...and to make them think it was their idea to buy it to start with.

    BUT.

    I can't dance for crap. I'm just afraid people are going to watch me and be like, "wtf is that girl doing? haha!" I'm not going to break out in weird robot moves or anything, but I usually look stiff and awkward when I dance in public (not so much better behind closed doors either, lol).

    Is it recommended that I take pole dance lessons until I feel like I'm a good dancer, or do guys really not care if you can dance, as long as you're cute and can hustle right?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Putting on a good stage show can help you sell more dances, however a lot of times some of the top earners are actually horrible dancers. One on SW says this about herself! I'm not going to out her for those who don't already know or haven't heard her say it personally. There are plenty more like her though.

    If you are starting from scratch check into www.StripAndGrowRich.com its the oldest & most recognized training program to teach dancers how to sell, save, & invest. We are in a recession & if you try entering now you will be going up against veterans as well as some dancers that can be very cut throat just because of the economy. In other words, this isn't really the time to be experimenting... you want to hit the ground running - so get yourself prepared!

    As far as being cute, it helps, but trust me we have all seen some dancers that we wondered what customers saw in them. I've seen women who danced up until their 60's & while they didn't really look so great they did make money. I've also seen a number of dancers who looked more like men & still did really well.

    Taking dance classes before you start isn't necessary, but it can help. If you do decide to take lessons look for studios that teach exotic dance technique classes, rather than pole dancing. A lot of studios offer exotic dance classes, not many offer technique classes, which is what you'll want. The difference between the two is that a technique class focuses on how to do moves correctly & how to make the moves look graceful/good. Technique classes will show you moves, but also have you practice as set format in smaller groups so the instructor can correct anything you need to improve on. For example, let's say I'm teaching students how to walk across the floor. In a normal exotic dance class there would be a mass of students following what the instructor does, & he/she may happen to correct something they see a student doing wrong in the mirror... but with a mass of students a lot of things slip by. In a technique class if I show students how to walk I will have them all go to one side of the room, while I stand on the opposite side, then in pairs of about 2-3 they will move across the floor practicing the new move so I can see & correct any issues. Most of the time instructors who teach classes in a technique format have formal dance training, & will teach the format without calling the class a technique class. So you will need to go check out studios to see who has this type of class format.

    I wouldn't worry so much about pole training right off the bat. Some clubs don't even have poles, & a lot of clubs don't have safe/secure poles. The last thing you want to do is make a fool of yourself on the pole or slide down & hit your head. Just concentrate on moving around the pole & use it more as a prop rather than a piece of gymnastics equipment until you learn how to move on the floor. Besides, a lot of time pole dancing takes you away from audience interaction which most customers enjoy more than pole tricks.

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    Great input, I appreciate it!

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    When I first started.. I took pole classes. They did not help me at all.... I learned a few spins which was the good part and I could have used that in my stage, but a few poses and moves they have taught us.. were not stripper "material". So dont worry about the pole, some girls dont even use it, and you will adapt to it!

    When I started... I mean seriously out of all the people I had no rhymem! When I went to clubs, my friends would try to help me to get better just so I could go with the flow with the music.. it was that bad haha! But you learn, you start working, usually you can ask of the girls there for a dance, or even better go as a customer and pay her just to see the real deal. Whille in the vip, I used to look at other girls and get hints and watch their movements and what they did, and I followed from there. It gets repeative, then you wont be even thinking of what you're doing but it will be like zzz! So all I can is say, walk in there, watch the girls on stage, watch the moves, watch how they act on the stage, sa,e with the Vip and you'll follow behind.

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    the best advice i can give is the advice my boss gave me... is they basically want to look and touch ( i don't know if the clubs you will be auditioning for will be contact or not ) and the slower, the better because they really just want to look and feel. it's more important to have a good personality and to work on your body instead of your dance moves because guys would much rather spend time with an attractive, fun person who they are having a great time with and making them feel good about themselves, than a girl who has the best dance moves in the world who isn't having fun with them and giving them a good time (not as in extras haha but the guys want to enjoy themselves and have a nice night out with a lovely lady). so having a good personality, confidence, hustle style that works for YOU, and feeling good about your body is much more important than the dance moves. most guys could care less about what you do, but more about how much fun they have. once i focused more on the guy, my personality, and staying healthy and fit instead of my dance moves, i think i almost doubled my money.

    that's just worked for me and my professional experience... you gotta do what works for you!! you will find the perfect balance once you start.

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    Well, I'm 5'4 and 95lbs. Not too much I can do in the body department, my metabolism and genes do what they want, regardless how much I try to gain. Hoping there's some customers out there that like scrawny girls! I've learned to get over my insecurities about it, so I should be okay with feeling good about my body. It's the dancing that I'm petrified about.

    Bringing the convo over from the picture thread (since this is the more appropriate place to ask), you guys really don't think taking a pre-shot or a muscle relaxer for the first time you go on is a good idea? I'm really not a habitual person at all, have never been addicted to anything and only drink on occasion. I just feel like if I can make it through the first couple of times, my nerves will settle down and I'll be able to do without it. No one else did this? :\

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    The most important things about actual dancing are to make sure you move SLOW and dance sensually. The more turned on/attracted to the customer you can make yourself look, the better. It's really a lot of acting too. But make sure you don't come off as fake. Try to find something you like about every guy you dance for and focus in on that...if they are truly revolting...go to your happy place

    I took a couple pole classes after I started just because I wanted something to "do" on stage and it made stage a lot more fun for me. It's definitely optional though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    Bringing the convo over from the picture thread (since this is the more appropriate place to ask), you guys really don't think taking a pre-shot or a muscle relaxer for the first time you go on is a good idea? I'm really not a habitual person at all, have never been addicted to anything and only drink on occasion. I just feel like if I can make it through the first couple of times, my nerves will settle down and I'll be able to do without it. No one else did this? :\
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    In theory, you really ought to be stable enough to do this job as YOURSELF and on your own from the start. That means no drugs, no alcohol, etc. to make you less nervous for that matter. Being nervous is perfectly normal and with PRACTICE and TIME, you won't be anymore.
    This!

    When you start drinking you loosen up a lot, which may be great for dancing but you will also let your guard down a lot easier from it. Having that guard down is NOT a good idea around a bunch of customers who may try to take advantage of you. Plus, people who drink often get swept into it so fast that they forget to hustle or hustle slower than they would sober, & at the end of the night they don't tend to make as much. If you are just learning the LAST thing you want to do is start effecting your hustling by potentially making it worse before you've even learned how to do it effectively.
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    Got it. No shots!

    So, do you guys have any tips on how you warm up before going on stage? How do you prep?

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    I do ballet stretches most of the time. There are a seperate set of warm-ups used specifically for pole work, but I won't go into that.

    The New York Ballet has an awesome DVD if you want to learn to stretch.

    http://www.amazon.com/New-York-City-.../dp/B000HRMAR2
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    Got it. No shots!

    So, do you guys have any tips on how you warm up before going on stage? How do you prep?
    Pick your fav songs, check yourself out and fix everything and go up there and dance your ass off

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    I was a horrible dancer when I started and customers made fun of me a lot but I watched other girls and practiced at home and practiced on stage when no one was around and I learned how to dance really quickly. I'm much more fluid on stage now.

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    You learn as you go . If you want to try stripping, you've got to go strip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kourtney View Post
    Dancing totally matters! If your a stripper you need to know how to dance. I'm sure you can get by doing a horrible stage set, but you will maximize your income if you know how to be sexy up there. If you have a sexy stage performance you are more likely to attract way more customers, not to mention you will make more money on stage. Usually you have to go on stage at every club so you might as well make as much money up there as possible. I spent so much time training on the pole and taking yoga and flexibility classes, it also helped that I have been taking dance classes my whole life.

    I just think it's so wrong when people say, "stage doesn't matter" - its all about your hustling skills (not true)
    It's not that the dance ability doesn't matter, but rather that most of the time the sales skills matter more. There are clubs that allow dancers to pay the club/dj extra to stay off the rotation list, & there are clubs that don't make you go on stage when you are giving privates or in the champagne room. Why would a dancer pay to stay off rotation? Either she is losing valuable sales time or her stage shows do her more harm than good. There are nights when I'll go on stage only once or not at all. Why? It isn't because I'm working clubs with tons of other dancers... sometimes the places I work may have 80 girls, 25 girls or.... 3 other girls. So the reason I may only get to stage once a night or not at all is that I am too busy. I can sell in seconds when I'm focused. On nights like those my ability to perform on stage doesn't matter because the majority of the customers will never see me dance before making a purchase for a lap dance or champagne room.

    Now, when it comes to getting multiple individual dances then I think dance talent MAY matter. If the entertainer is a good sales person she's probably already sold the customer a string of about 3-6 dances & collected her money up-front. If she didn't but the customer is enchanted with her dancing, conversation, or body then she still has the ability to sell more dances to the customer.

    My dancing skills are good enough that I get tons of compliments every time I work. With that said my dance skills don't typically make sales in strings of about 3-6 lap dances upfront, my sales skills do.

    If you don't know how to sell I think your dance ability will matter more, or if you are in a club where hustling isn't allowed... I worked one of those last year & STILL sold more than twice the number of dances than the club's second top earner. Honestly though I see a bad dancers in every club I go to. If you go to clubs in say Canada or Australia I would also say your dance skills would be more important... but only because those two countries are both known for having very talented dancers, & even then if you are allowed to hustle the sales skills will be more important.
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    I have a background in dance (years of dancing classes and being in a dance troupe) and the first thing I found out about stripping is that it matters little. I did often use it to my advantage because I put on a show but really doesn't matter. Sales is the most important aspect.

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    Just don't do the epileptic bunny routine and you'll be fine -_-
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Just don't do the epileptic bunny routine and you'll be fine -_-
    I once worked at a club with the worst dancers. It was so bad it should have been a movie (a comedy). One dancer would get on stage and fling her arms everywhere and another just walked around the stage until she fell off while she was drinking and smoking. If these two can be dancers anyone can.

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    That makes me feel really good to hear that, lol. Thank you.

    I am considering starting out in a less high end club (with my goal being to end up soon after in the one I really want to work at) just so I can get my feet in the water and get comfortable. I'm not talking about a sleaze joint, just something in the middle. Do you guys think this is a good idea, or have done this yourself starting out? The club I'm interested in is always packed and most of the dancers are really good with pole tricks. It's super classy, just think I would feel less nervous setting ground where it's not such a show with the stage dances?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    That makes me feel really good to hear that, lol. Thank you.

    I am considering starting out in a less high end club (with my goal being to end up soon after in the one I really want to work at) just so I can get my feet in the water and get comfortable. I'm not talking about a sleaze joint, just something in the middle. Do you guys think this is a good idea, or have done this yourself starting out? The club I'm interested in is always packed and most of the dancers are really good with pole tricks. It's super classy, just think I would feel less nervous setting ground where it's not such a show with the stage dances?
    Go for the lower end clubs, even the dives ones (as long as they are clean). Those are the best ones to start at because you learn how to hustle, normally don't pay a lot of house and less competition. That's what I did and it worked.

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    Get your feet wet, slow down, don't get drunk and stupid. Remember you're there to make money not friends. Don't ask what other girls make. Take wipies, body spray, toothpaste, toothbrush, gum, outfits etc with you. I can't tell you how annoying it is when I hear the "Can I borrow (insert necessary item)?"
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    There are nights where I will go out on stage and hop around like a bunny while I'm flapping my arms like the chicken dance. I get mad tips. You so do not need to know how to dance. Just be a walking party and everyone will flock to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyLovR View Post
    That makes me feel really good to hear that, lol. Thank you.

    I am considering starting out in a less high end club (with my goal being to end up soon after in the one I really want to work at) just so I can get my feet in the water and get comfortable. I'm not talking about a sleaze joint, just something in the middle. Do you guys think this is a good idea, or have done this yourself starting out? The club I'm interested in is always packed and most of the dancers are really good with pole tricks. It's super classy, just think I would feel less nervous setting ground where it's not such a show with the stage dances?

    It's fine to start at any type of club, but if you know that the nice club is the one you want to be at there is a good chance that you'll being doing yourself a favour to start there, especially if you are already in shape!

    The thing about starting at a low end or middle tier club is that sometimes the entertainers do things that either aren't allowed or looked down on at higher end club... floorwork is a great example. Many top clubs don't allow floorwork & if you go from a club that allows floor work to a club that doesn't you may feel awkward/lost for a bit. Another example is if you suddenly break out doing booty-popping moves at a very top tier club the dancers may give you a hard time & management may not appreciate it. This goes back to "it's hard to teach an old dog new tricks" or "old habits die hard".

    On the other hand if you start at a top tier club & move down you may develop certain feelings or attitudes that are based on working at the old club. If you don't do certain moves (floorwoork/booty-popping/etc) the dancers or customers might think you are stuffy, which could lead to problems.

    The one advantage of starting at higher end clubs though is that the top clubs generally give you the products/options to make more money, & you'll know how to attract & handle customers with more money... who sometimes like to go to the middle & lower end clubs as well.


    It's fine to start at any type of club, but if you know that the nice club is the one you want to be at there is a good chance that you'll being doing yourself a favour to start there.
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    Dancing is not as important as moving sexily and slowly. I can't keep a rhythm if my life depended on it but I gyrate and move my hips and make eye contact with customers and I do well on stage, even though there are excellent pole trickers and MUCH better dancers before and after me.

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    It depends on the club; some clubs are ok with pretty ladies who are flirty and friendly, but some other clubs requiere that girls are great dancers more than anything.





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    Going on stage is like a tv commercial you're trying to sell yourself! So that by the time you walk up to a customer and and say hi, he's already familiar with who YOU are, which will initially give you the upper hand. My favorite thing to hear when I walk up to guy is something positive like "Were you just up on stage? Wow! You're so beautiful/sexy/etc!". This makes hustling him like A HUNDRED THOUSAND TIMES EASIER ;-D

    So whatever you do up there, make sure you represent yourself as ideally as possible. You don't have to do badass pole tricks or booty clap every 30 seconds, you just have to be confident and try to connect with your audience a little :-)









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