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    Dizzy When do you stop the VIP/CR?

    I haven't actually had to "stop" a VIP or CR...yet. What's happened is the customer took the hint and stopped on their own, or I stalled and did an air dance for the remainder of the VIP. There are cameras in 2/4 VIP rooms in my club, and management doesn't want prostitution going on or anything like that. I go to the VIP rooms with cameras if they are open because I'm more comfortable there.

    We all know you get those grabby dicks in the club. I was told by my management that breast touching was OK, and we 'traditionally' do the boobs in the face thing for a dollar to all the customers at the tip rail. Then some girls told me it's actually illegal, not sure if that is true or not! I find that a bit degrading, but I'll look like a prude if I don't do it since ALL the girls do. Sometimes customers lick or kiss my boobs when I do that and I even had one bite my nipple a couple days ago!

    Things I hate in VIP are:
    - Nipple tweaking
    - Rough grabbing of breasts
    - Putting nipples in mouth
    - Trying to grab my vagina/ass
    - Kissing of neck/breasts/any part of me
    - Ass smacking
    - Back scratching

    I'd like to minimize/eliminate these things in VIP. It's to the point where I want to give them a warning and stop on the second offense. I need to be bitchier and more assertive at work because it's kind of starting to eat at me.

    Do you think if I tell customers up front "your mouth may not touch any part of my body and I expect you to be a gentle gentleman" that the point will get through in a gentle, but effective manner? Of course, some will try to get around this, but I think generally it will eliminate my issues. I'm just so worried I'll fuck up repeat customers by doing this. It really irks me to deal with those things though.

    Additionally, I used to say "I require a $20 tip upfront for touching in addition to the room fee". I've laxed up on this and have actually made less because of it. I'm just nervous because we're getting less and less busy and while my money has been consistent I've had to be creative to get it. 3/4 times I still get a $20 tip though.

    I'd like to get back to my old routine. Spice up the VIP, explain my $20 tip requirement, go to the room, collect my fees, and then explain the rules further. "Alright, I do require that your mouth not contact my body and that you are gentle with me as you would be to any woman". If they don't listen, one warning (depending on severity), and then stop VIP.

    Lastly, I'm concerned that if I consistently am stopping VIPs that management will get irritated with repeat complaints from customers and "lost business" regardless of the fact I got the money upfront. I've never really outright snapped at anyone, and while I want to upkeep the fantasy I also don't want to feel degraded.

    Any ideas on how to keep my firm rules but present them in a sexy way? And why would you stop a VIP/CR? And what do you think management would realistically say if I was stopping 3-4 VIPs a week (which based on my experience seems realistic since I sell 16-20 a week).

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    With my VIPS it was always like this:

    If the customer reaches for something I don't want touched... I just move away...
    If they actually manage to grab something... I verbally tell them "You cannot do this thing" (in a much nicer "but please keep giving me money sort of way).
    If they try it again... I leave.

    I may stay depending on how much money they're willing to give me as an apology. But if they try anything after that... I leave no matter how much money they gave me.
    Unless they're willing to give me MORE money... and then I'll stay till they try something stupid again... ect.\


    If they're being obnoxious or somethng, though... I just end the dance and walk out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    Do you think if I tell customers up front "your mouth may not touch any part of my body and I expect you to be a gentle gentleman" that the point will get through in a gentle, but effective manner?
    If you tell every customer this some will take offense to it. On my website for private dancing I lay out the rules clearly & expect them to be followed. In person I'll lay out the club rules while walking the customer to the room. If they try something during the room time I will say "Look - there's no f*cking, sucking, licking, or kissing!"


    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    Additionally, I used to say "I require a $20 tip upfront for touching in addition to the room fee".
    To me this sounds like "It's okay for you to touch me, I just charge more for it."

    If you don't want them touching you I wouldn't say that up front, just let them know the club rules up front & expand on it if needed.

    Now, there are dancers who after being touched by a customer will say something like "You owe me $20 for that, or I'm going to call the bouncer over".


    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    If they don't listen, one warning (depending on severity), and then stop VIP.
    I pretty much gauge it on the severity of the foul as well. If some guy tries to touch me between my legs after I've laid out the club rules, I'm not likely to give him a second chance. Those are the guys I show out the door or walk them over to a bouncer to have booted out.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    Lastly, I'm concerned that if I consistently am stopping VIPs that management will get irritated with repeat complaints from customers and "lost business" regardless of the fact I got the money upfront. I've never really outright snapped at anyone, and while I want to upkeep the fantasy I also don't want to feel degraded.
    I've never seen that happen, but if you are concerned talk to your manager & let them know that you aren't comfortable being so lenient in the club. See how they feel about making your personal rules more strict & enforcing them.


    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    And why would you stop a VIP/CR?
    I have zero tolerance for pain, so any biting would be one.

    People trying to touch me between the legs is another. It honestly annoys me to dodge hands touching things they shouldn't, so if the guy becomes annoying (especially if he's wasted/high), then I'll end the VIP.

    Anything else that could have the management mad at me I would not tolerate.
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    I tell people up front, you can't touch here, or here, and point to the spots i don't like to be touched. i then put a finger to their lips and say good boys get good dances. i rarely have a problem with biting, licking, or touching, although i did before i started saying this. some guys genuinely don't know the rules.
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    I stop when I feel seriously uncomfortable. If I feel like he could get violent or aggressive then I stop. I had a guy pin my legs to the couch and then try to bite my breasts while I tried to struggle out of it. I'm pleased to say I managed to pin his neck, rather harshly and painfully, until another girl got a bouncer.

    I don't see any reason to feel guilty about keeping the money - if you see it as a contractual agreement, they broke the terms and conditions, as well as house rules and I'm sure some laws.

    I've stopped 5 minutes into an hours VIP and kept all 250 pound. If I hadn't told him the rules maybe I would feel a little guilty, but I didn't hide 'no touching' in the small print, I told him upfront. And you don't get refunds on a lapdance!

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    I HATE WHEN CUSTOMERS KISS MY BOOBS. it used to be so pleasurable when a guy I was intimate with would kiss them but lap dances completely ruined it for me.

    one time I was in a CR with a guy and he grabbed my ass SO HARD it was like he had his hands down then all the sudden just reached up and grabbed and pulled like he was trying to rip my ass off. I screamed and the bouncer came over and I looked at the customer and was like "DO NOT GRAB MY ASS" and the bouncer gave the guy a look and the customer was too embarassed to try anything for the rest of the CR

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    If they won't listen when I say no, and it gets to the point where I feel like I'm losing control of the situation, I put my clothes back on and sit on the other end of the booth. If they are willing to listen to me after getting another drink/taking 10 to cool off, I'll take my clothes off again. If they are just going to be an ass, they already paid, so tuff. I'm pretty tactful and keep it playful and fun as long as they are willing to play by the rules.
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    Personally I've got a $200 minimum for touching and checking out the goods. I know other girls will do it for less but I'm not them. It's all about your hustle not what you actually do on the dance.

    If a guy grabs your boob too hard just say "baby be gentle".

    When guys try to grab my pussy I pull their hands away and say "I don't allow any one to touch me there".

    Just because it's less busy doesn't mean you can't up sell. So go back to asking for your extra $20 with new customers. Sorry it is probably not going to work with regular customers. It would be bad customer service to do so any way.

    we 'traditionally' do the boobs in the face thing for a dollar to all the customers at the tip rail. -- I find that a bit degrading
    Glad you see it that way! Let other girls do it. You don't have to. Guys that expect boobs for a dollar generally don't buy a lot of dances. They don't have to.

    I've seen plenty of girls make money without doing the boob thing, sitting on laps etc.

    It really depends on how you talk to people. If a customer throws a hissy-fit just make sure he pays you what you agreed to in the beginning before you end things.

    Don't ever be afraid to say "we agreed on such and such a price" if they try to get out of paying you. You hold them to it.

    This happens so rarely it should not be a big deal if and when it ever comes up.

    It's all about communication.




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    I've only had one customer complain about my $20 fee for touching. A week later when he was sober he bought a half hour VIP and tipped me my twenty dollars.

    In response to Kylea: I do not care if they touch my boobs, waist, or butt to be honest. I'm saying I care if they bite me, suck on me, lick me, or kiss me--anywhere. I don't consider it bad customer service to require a tip for 'groping' me in addition to the room fee, especially because I don't keep all of it since I pay out to the club. The $20 fee is to allow them to touch my boobs and butt, and I have done a few VIPs where the guy sat on his hands because he opted for a no-touching room without my tip. When I was more assertive about this I had a great time and rarely felt degraded.

    The guys that were willing to tip me the $20 upfront were often very respectful too. I've found the ones that try to haggle and say "a tip is at the end based on performance" after I started saying "tips are appreciated/gratuity makes it a party" are the ones that are super-super grabby and don't tip or hand you 5 bucks.

    I want to get back to my old ways and I find that not only does the $20 tip add up at the end of the night, it also weeds out cheapos and grabby fucks that want the most 'bang for their buck'. I think customer service only goes so far as I am not cleaning their carpet--I am sharing my body with them in a sense. I have a right to demand extra money for an 'upgraded' VIP in my eyes and I guess thread was my way of reminding myself of that so I get back to my old ways.
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    i totally agree with the last post. My way of doing it and how I've done it in the past is I tell them that "no touching, licking, or biting on my tits & body and especially no fingers in my pussy & ass. If you do you'll be thrown out and you immediately owe me an apology and $30." lol ;-P

    I have found the $30 "fine" has really helped. They don't want to pay that in addition the what they are already shelling out....and it gives them incentive to keep their hands to themselves. :-D Quite a few actually have said to me with a smile, "You are so beautiful, smart, and CONFIDENT! Here's the 30 right here!" *puts $30 in my boyshorts.* "I don't need touching and extras to enjoy you!"

    ahhh.....if all men could be like that. Now that is a true gentleman who knows how to have a good time all at the same time. :-D haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    I've only had one customer complain about my $20 fee for touching. A week later when he was sober he bought a half hour VIP and tipped me my twenty dollars.

    In response to Kylea: I do not care if they touch my boobs, waist, or butt to be honest. I'm saying I care if they bite me, suck on me, lick me, or kiss me--anywhere. I don't consider it bad customer service to require a tip for 'groping' me in addition to the room fee, especially because I don't keep all of it since I pay out to the club. The $20 fee is to allow them to touch my boobs and butt, and I have done a few VIPs where the guy sat on his hands because he opted for a no-touching room without my tip. When I was more assertive about this I had a great time and rarely felt degraded.

    The guys that were willing to tip me the $20 upfront were often very respectful too. I've found the ones that try to haggle and say "a tip is at the end based on performance" after I started saying "tips are appreciated/gratuity makes it a party" are the ones that are super-super grabby and don't tip or hand you 5 bucks.

    I want to get back to my old ways and I find that not only does the $20 tip add up at the end of the night, it also weeds out cheapos and grabby fucks that want the most 'bang for their buck'. I think customer service only goes so far as I am not cleaning their carpet--I am sharing my body with them in a sense. I have a right to demand extra money for an 'upgraded' VIP in my eyes and I guess thread was my way of reminding myself of that so I get back to my old ways.
    If you are okay with a bit of light *legal* touching then yes charge more if possible! I don't consider that a tip though, I consider it up-selling, which I talk about in my blog.
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    just be firm. have your boundaries. if they give you shit in a rude way dont be sympathetic or be very obviously insincere about your sympathy.

    i tie customers up who start pissing me off. booty shorts work to tie customers up if they are the type off type. if you have some article of clothing that you can tie a customer up wtih, do so if he disrespects you.
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    The only time ive had to stop a VIP is when I worked at a club with very minimal or no security. It was usually something extreme like they wanted something illegal, def set your boundaries upfront so they cant say they didnt know. Ive had guys walk out on me in VIP bc I wouldnt have sex but Ive always kept the $$ either way. If management has a problem with you stopping a VIP after giving them a reasonable explanation, I would question what kind of club u are working at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    Ive had guys walk out on me in VIP bc I wouldnt have sex but Ive always kept the $$ either way.
    I LOVE those! Keep all the money & don't really work. Although, I turn down money if I know up-front that is what they want. In FL I turned down 5 VIP rooms in an hour one night because I knew the guys wanted more than just dances.
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    Maybe your customers think it's okay to lick and grab you in the CR for a few hundred because they've watched you allow similar behavior on stage for a dollar or two?

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    ^^ive worked with jasmine, i dount she allows that on stage. shes a very clean dancer.

    however i can see other girls allowing that on stage, depending on the club.
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    Maybe I misunderstood the original post? It sounded to me like she meant she put her boobs on multiple customers faces at the stage on a regular basis. Which doesn't mean she's less clean than anyone else, but I'm guessing that presenting yourself that way on stage would make your job harder overall. I took it for a standard case of a new dancer trying to find her comfort zone. I don't personally know Laurisa or Jasmine; I'm just suggesting that acting more "prudish" might lead to being treated with more respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azaleanola View Post
    Maybe I misunderstood the original post? It sounded to me like she meant she put her boobs on multiple customers faces at the stage on a regular basis. Which doesn't mean she's less clean than anyone else, but I'm guessing that presenting yourself that way on stage would make your job harder overall. I took it for a standard case of a new dancer trying to find her comfort zone. I don't personally know Laurisa or Jasmine; I'm just suggesting that acting more "prudish" might lead to being treated with more respect.
    Ok I never said anything about what I do onstage, this must be more about Laurisas post. I do floorwork and stuff but I dont do anything crazy, I usually dont put my boobs in a guys face their pretty small to do that anyway lol

    But honestly what dancer hasnt been solicited before? Almost every night i get asked to have sex in VIP, go to a hotel room, or for my phone #.

    Why? Bc guys get horny and act stupid or have certain views on strippers in general. Drinking doesnt help either

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    Quote Originally Posted by azaleanola View Post
    Maybe your customers think it's okay to lick and grab you in the CR for a few hundred because they've watched you allow similar behavior on stage for a dollar or two?
    No one licks or grabs me on stage without being reprimanded.
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    I'm a total noob in a high-contact club, so I've had to utilize some rather interesting techniques for the pushiness in guys trying to lick/grab/etc. If I walked away from every guy who tried this, I've have sold maybe 8 dances in two weeks. (Note that I do not plan on staying there for that reason, but anyway...)
    So, what I've started doing is I tell the guy he's being a very bad boy and is going to get spanked/punished/etc. for continuing the behavior. If he does it again, I personally grab his hands and hold them above his head for the rest of the dance (or otherwise pin him), chastising him for being such a bad boy who obviously wants to be in trouble with me.
    They love this, get caught up in the weird domme situation I've created, and typically buy several more dances off of it. I'm thinking of adding light choking into my repertoire lol
    Then again, I do work in Houston. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by bunny8558 View Post
    I'm a total noob in a high-contact club, so I've had to utilize some rather interesting techniques for the pushiness in guys trying to lick/grab/etc. If I walked away from every guy who tried this, I've have sold maybe 8 dances in two weeks. (Note that I do not plan on staying there for that reason, but anyway...)
    So, what I've started doing is I tell the guy he's being a very bad boy and is going to get spanked/punished/etc. for continuing the behavior. If he does it again, I personally grab his hands and hold them above his head for the rest of the dance (or otherwise pin him), chastising him for being such a bad boy who obviously wants to be in trouble with me.
    They love this, get caught up in the weird domme situation I've created, and typically buy several more dances off of it. I'm thinking of adding light choking into my repertoire lol
    Then again, I do work in Houston. :/

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