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    Some of the girls in my club only come up for the weekend and cause me to make 300-350 tops because they have been danceing for over two years and make a more entertaining show I suppose. I try to keep a smile on my face but I'm human I jealouse! How does everyone else deal with this?

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    Default Re: how do u handle vet. dancers?

    Um.. instead of wasting your time being jealous of other dancers, start practicing and polishing your moves..and maybe your attitude. There is a lot to be said about "new money". and often the vets are complaining about the new girls. Its a vicious cycle and it has just always been that way. If you wanna make more $$ you have to get off your ass and earn it...something the people who may be making more than you are probably already aware of.

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    Default Re: how do u handle vet. dancers?

    How long have you been dancing? I personally think 300 is pretty good or a little above the average (depends on how long your shift is).. But anyways yes, I realize your frustration working with vets. I'm pretty much surrounded by them every time I work the night shifts/weekends.

    FIRST: It may be hard but I try and just focus on my own progress. This can go for any competitive situation as well... Don't get me wrong I believe it's good to keep tabs on the competition buuut if you are so preoccupied, it may cause unnecessary doubt and you may lose out on other opportunities <like, that lonely guy over there in the corner...>

    Perhaps you can try and differentiate yourself as much as from the other girls --whether it be looks, a unique dancing style, down-to-earth demeanor, etc. They may have better hustling skills but I'm sure being the new girl or "fresh meat" may have it's advantages Stay strong! Pretty soon you'll be one of them...yeah? I know I am learning more and more just by continuing my time working in the club.

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    Default Re: how do u handle vet. dancers?

    I am a veteran dancer, & there are a things I always suggest:

    1.) www.StripandGrowRich.com
    Competing with the veterans can be hard, but SGR helps you hit the floor running by at least knowing what the vets are often doing to target their customers, then pin-point & close the sale.


    2.) Take dance & movement classes: Burlesque, Jazz, Pole, Gymnastic, etc
    Sometimes it helps just to be shown something really cool that is outside the box of what the dancers at your club are doing. Classes give you a chance to practice with an instructor & with a mirror so you can learn faster.


    3.) Up your image
    Sometimes the best way to stand out is simply doing something bold or different that the other dancers aren't doing. This could be a costume (super glitzy, themed, etc), a prop, music that is extremely different & turns heads, or maybe the hair/make-up combo. So many dancers actually do look alike that finding some way to stand out so you are easier to spot in a crowd can be good, then it's easy for customers to come find you.


    4.) Get inspired!
    A lot of times we get into these "funks" from everything being so mediocre. Try to get out of that by going out to dance competitions/pageants, fashion events, social events in your city etc. You never know where you'll find something that you can incorporate into your shows.


    The good thing about most seasoned vets is that if you say something genuinely nice about their stage shows or look they tend to take a liking to you, & may even help you out.
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    @bambiblue, did I say I sat on my ass all night sulking,no. I do my hustle, on most days I make 500-600, and as a female who has been danceing 7 days. I work at a small club where these girls have been danceing almost as long as the clubs been around as long as the club has. Top earners make 600-900 small town small clientel. So don't come off all bitchy saying I don't hustle, I do my best when their there. My question was how do you deel with it, not your opinion on how to "work on my attitude". Ok so answer the question next time, not give rude ass advice like you were there or something.

    @Phxriseing, your right like I said before I have only been danceing 7 days and 300 isn't too bad when other girls make way less. Its just weird coming down from 600-650 on Wednesday and thursdays when your busting your ass. My difference is being the only black girl (really small club :/ and town ). I just feel like my clientel that likes me goes out the window when the weekend girls come in. I wish new girls had novelty at this clun, but it tends to just inspire guys to try and trick me into extras. Ill keep my head up and see if I can find a gimick.

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    Default Re: how do u handle vet. dancers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aslinn View Post
    @bambiblue, did I say I sat on my ass all night sulking,no. I do my hustle, on most days I make 500-600, and as a female who has been danceing 7 days. I work at a small club where these girls have been danceing almost as long as the clubs been around as long as the club has. Top earners make 600-900 small town small clientel. So don't come off all bitchy saying I don't hustle, I do my best when their there. My question was how do you deel with it, not your opinion on how to "work on my attitude". Ok so answer the question next time, not give rude ass advice like you were there or something.
    You might want to rip my head off too but in defense of bambi's post, I think she was trying to help not insult you. If you are watching these girls long enough to be jealous that means you could be studying their style and even making friends. When I started there were vets who would help you out, advise you, give hustle strategies. Now that I'm a vet I go so far as to coach girls on how to sell. For my favorites I deconstruct pole tricks and practice with them. Relax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslinn View Post
    Its just weird coming down from 600-650 on Wednesday and thursdays when your busting your ass. My difference is being the only black girl (really small club :/ and town ).
    Lol. You're probably getting used to not having to hustle at all during the week because you're the only black girl.

    I dance in a similar kind of club (smaller city with few black locals), so when black dancers come into town they often clean up easily.

    You'll probably continue to make relatively easy money because you stand out. You should go dance in a big club full of hot black/whites/asians to make you appreciate what you have now.

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    I would recommend that you not watch the other girls when they're on stage. It'll only make you feel bad about yourself, and your insecurities will translate when you go up for your stage set! Instead, practice at home. Or just try to pick up one new floor move a night to practice on stage.

    I remember when I first started, there were a few girls who had the most incredible stage moves. They were beautiful and well-practiced, and I always felt shitty when I'd sit there and watch them dance.

    Also, remember that a lot of guys like strippers who don't look 100% polished. It can be a huge advantage (depending on the club) to look a bit awkward, as long as you OWN it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Optimist View Post
    You might want to rip my head off too but in defense of bambi's post, I think she was trying to help not insult you. If you are watching these girls long enough to be jealous that means you could be studying their style and even making friends. When I started there were vets who would help you out, advise you, give hustle strategies. Now that I'm a vet I go so far as to coach girls on how to sell. For my favorites I deconstruct pole tricks and practice with them. Relax.
    Trying to help or not there is a rude way and a correct way she chose rude. But I can try figure it out what I do know they showed me and took time with me there nice! But I fail at all things pole. But thanks I think tomorrow night I will ask the non bitchy one for some hustle tips.

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    Default Re: how do u handle vet. dancers?

    first you shouldnt watch us. you should go to the webite kylea posted or read some other sites that exist.

    second, were not there to make friends- neither are you- so engaging us doesnt work. I dont mean to be a bitch but in fact I have to be one to make the money I need to- I only care about the money and the customer that gives it to me at the time.

    You can also market yourself and bring in your own custies. Use social media etc. I get at least 1 customer a week from social media and my website.

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    @Aslinn - we are not trying to make you feel clueless, bitched or snapped at, and cause you to feel as though you're some clueless idiot. It's just that we are dancers who, unfortunately, are in a sink or swim kind of industry. Like AmyLynne said above, do not watch us because I can honestly admit that I've done that and whenever I tried to dance and do the same things the more seasoned woman did, I failed horribly and looked like a blundering idiot. haha! There ARE some fun things you can do that've been mentioned. Taking a dance class or a pole class is fun! Think of saving up and investing in it. Save the receipt and you could probably write it off when tax time comes around BECAUSE it is needed for your work! :-D AmyLynne also has a very very good point...do not try to make friends at the club. Be quiet in the dressing room and just mind your own business. Be pleasant and help out someone if needed, but I would not attempt to befriend anyone because more times than not the other dancer has her own perceptions of you that're probably negative seeing as you ARE, in truth, her competition. Just be quiet and do your own thing. If you're on the floor and another dancer engages you into idle chit chat, just keep it light. No worries about it! Don't go into touchy personal subjects and be nice but not kiss-ass nice. there is a difference. lol. Market yourself! Try doing a burlesque routine or choose out of the box music that might appeal to a certain clientele. Don't do something too too wacky, that might get unwanted negative attention. Know that there will always be the more seasoned dancer who might target you out of the group and pick on you shamelessly for your weak spots. It happened to me. But I didn't throw gasoline on the fire and get pissy with her and retaliate. Instead I just greeted her with kindness and empathy....because she is working with the most she has to work with...and that obviously wasn't a lot.

    AmyLynne (sorry to use your suggestions so much! just trying to give you your deserved credit!!) and the other posters make a great point! Market yourself! If you know you can cater and target a certain crowd, then do it. If a certain look other than a fishnet body stocking over a neon bikini looks great on you, then try it! It never hurts to explore other avenues. If you took a jazz or ballet class, incorporate some of the fun dance moves that you'd use in that style of dance...(i'm not saying breakout into a jazz handed style dance or ballet style dance routine...). There are things like making a work website or even a work facebook like I had for awhile so you can cater to the younger 20 and 30 and even 40 somethings!!

    It's all in keeping a positive attitude! :-)

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