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    ^^^ Except McDonalds isn't Freshtastics.

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    ^^^ In many ways people are socially pressured into eating unhealthy meals too. If I'm hanging out with 4 friends who want to eat junk like McDonalds, I will probably end up eating there as well... & even their healthy options don't seem all that healthy. I literally am disgusted with the McDonalds salads. Thier large salads all have meat on them, & if I order one without the meat I still get charged for it. I can order the small side salads, but they aren't that great. Besides, the lettuce & tomatoes at McDonalds freak me out. Most of the time their lettuce has lots of brown spots & the tomatoes always seem like they've been frozen. I'm probably hyper-critical of them at this point but I'm pretty sure they use a lot of gmo ingredients.
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    First off, let me point out that my job is to sell happy meals. (well not at the "Hi may I help you" level, but I work for that corporation)

    Second, let me just remind you all that it isn't just McD's happy meals that are they trying to ban, but ANY meal in ANY restaurant for children that comes with a toy over 600 calories.

    I think the reason why when the media talks about this kind of stuff and it filters down to the people, McDonald's gets most of the attention because they are the biggest (and best) of them all. And for that I thank you.

    Now for my honest opinion on this whole thing. I think when the government does this kind of thing, they are trying to send a message to big corporations. I think they realize that what they are doing is intrusive to the lives of people. Their point being, though, even if the law isn't able to stick, maybe some corporation will stand up and do something on their own to make a difference, and when that corpration does, maybe others will follow.

    Well that, or I'm giving these people too much credit, and they're really just trying to control our lives.

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    Haha good video Tempest!

    I'm opposed to government intrusion into private life, but if they are going to start anywhere (which they already have, long ago) it ought to be with this kind of chain franchise' pandering to children in order to get them hooked on their shit.

    If we are going to be constantly told where and when we can drink or smoke certain harmful substances, we damned well ought to limit how much the kiddies are brainwashed into liking this ultimate processed food. All it does is make them fat and lethargic--and receptive to further conditioning. Perfect for yet more brainwashing via MTV, etc., when they get home with their Happy Meals.

    But maybe it would be better to worry about other things instead of toys in food.
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    I think it's utterly inappropriate for the government to legislate this, and I hope McD's & Co. can find some loophole around it. Otherwise they'll prolly be after my Cracker Jack prizes next... >.<

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    Thier large salads all have meat on them, & if I order one without the meat I still get charged for it. I can order the small side salads, but they aren't that great. Besides, the lettuce & tomatoes at McDonalds freak me out. Most of the time their lettuce has lots of brown spots & the tomatoes always seem like they've been frozen.
    Your McD's is screwing you then. Their Southwest Salad with no chicken should only cost you $3.29 (or $3.49, can't remember, sorry I'm having a blonde moment here, lol). I'm a vegetarian and probably end up getting roped into McD's like once a week during school. Southwest Salad with no chicken (140 cals + 100cals for dressing), Fruit & Walnut Salad (210 cals) the Fruit and Yogurt parfait (160 cals) & the Nonfat Latte (medium 110 cals) are my friends!
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    If this camel's nose gets under the tent, what is next? A similar ban on "buy one extra toppings pizza, get 2nd one free" coupons? Or KFC discounted crispy chicken picnic basket?

    I can see it now: "Buy a cheese or veggie pizza, we'll throw in a large salad". "Buy the skinless chicken meal, get a free salad".

    Addendum: Comments on 2 issues related to this:

    1) Getting People Into Healthy Habits: "Subway Jared" ad comes to mind here. While it may be debatable that his diet centered on limited number of subs is the way to go, the idea/association with Subway could also be called a positive ad in that one sets a goal, formulates a plan, and follows through on it.

    2) The Popeye cartoons from the 30's was one attempt to get kids to eat their spinach. Some PC folks, though, may object to the "violence" in the cartoons (Popeye eats a can of spinach, then beats the crap out of Bluto or some other villian). Use of violence to promote healthy eating habits, y' know.
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    Kids don't drive themselves to McDonalds. Even if the company has mind control advertising and their brainwashing the kids with their menacing Happy Meal toys, the parents still have to take them there. Saying, "Oh, but the kid bitches so much, I HAVE to take them!" is simply piss poor parenting.

    Lots of parents out there don't give two shits about their children's health or nutrition. I know someone is going to argue that but I see it over and over again. It's easier to give the kid a pop tart than make him real food, so they choose convenience over their child's health. They don't care. Which really isn't surprising because lots of people don't care about their own health.

    This law will change nothing. No one is going to start giving a shit about what their kids eat because of a Happy Meal toy or lack thereof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    ^^^ In many ways people are socially pressured into eating unhealthy meals too. If I'm hanging out with 4 friends who want to eat junk like McDonalds, I will probably end up eating there as well... & even their healthy options don't seem all that healthy. I literally am disgusted with the McDonalds salads. Thier large salads all have meat on them, & if I order one without the meat I still get charged for it. I can order the small side salads, but they aren't that great. Besides, the lettuce & tomatoes at McDonalds freak me out. Most of the time their lettuce has lots of brown spots & the tomatoes always seem like they've been frozen. I'm probably hyper-critical of them at this point but I'm pretty sure they use a lot of gmo ingredients.
    No offense, but do you expect every restaurant to accommodate you? McDonalds serves unhealthy fast food, that's their thing. I personally hate ribs so I avoid rib shacks. I don't tag along with friends and then bitch that the rib shack is serving ribs.

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    I admit it, my son eats fast food. Less than once a week though. But he gets apples (no caramel), plain white milk and a plain hamburger. Those are his only options and always have been. If he doesn't know fries or pop are available and has never had them, he won't want them. 90 percent of the time, he gets fast food because its some kind of a reward (he went in the potty all day, had an exceptional day at daycare, behaved well at the dentist).

    ultimately its up to the parents. if my son came up and started bugging me to go get fries and coke, no matter how much he pestered me, hes not getting it. i'm the parent, i make the decisions. complaining for a toy doesn't make kids eat cheeseburgers and fries all day. its lazy parents that somehow lack the inability to tell their kid no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnow View Post
    If this camel's nose gets under the tent, what is next? A similar ban on "buy one extra toppings pizza, get 2nd one free" coupons? Or KFC discounted crispy chicken picnic basket?

    I can see it now: "Buy a cheese or veggie pizza, we'll throw in a large salad". "Buy the skinless chicken meal, get a free salad".
    What's wrong with that? I used to order a large whole wheat crust veggie pizza with extra sauce and light cheese with a salad once every week or two for the kiddos and myself. While I don't support bans on the other discounts, chains should be rewarded for offering discounts on healthier options. Hell, they should be rewarded just for offering a few healthier options imho. Don't regulate what they can offer, just offer some tax breaks or something if they offer a decent number of options that meet some minumum nutrition standards and are well represented on the menu and in advertising.
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    pj- I'm not knocking this menu choice. Point being that ads like those examples in my prior post would be the only types of ads/promotions that could be run if SF CC expanded their reach in that direction.

    I'd rather see more ads in the "Subway Jared" direction ( done entirely within private business structure without govt. intervention) than to see govt. laws/regulations/ordinances mentioned by OP cropping up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjas View Post
    Your McD's is screwing you then. Their Southwest Salad with no chicken should only cost you $3.29 (or $3.49, can't remember, sorry I'm having a blonde moment here, lol). I'm a vegetarian and probably end up getting roped into McD's like once a week during school. Southwest Salad with no chicken (140 cals + 100cals for dressing), Fruit & Walnut Salad (210 cals) the Fruit and Yogurt parfait (160 cals) & the Nonfat Latte (medium 110 cals) are my friends!
    I've been vegetarian for close to two decades now, & I've not encountered a McDonald's that deducts the cost of meat, & over the years I've been to many of their locations. I rarely eat there anymore, unless I happen to be out with friends.


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    No offense, but do you expect every restaurant to accommodate you? McDonalds serves unhealthy fast food, that's their thing. I personally hate ribs so I avoid rib shacks. I don't tag along with friends and then bitch that the rib shack is serving ribs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post

    Prime example, I know a mother & son that all they do is pretty much eat hamburgers & fast food. Both of them have become way too heavy but instead of changing their diet they just complain about the weight. If the mother had raised the son to eat healthy meals then he probably wouldn't be eating fast food as often today, but instead he fell into his mother's bad habits. The only way their weight will ever change is if the restaurants changed their meals to something more healthy, because these two will not change their habits.

    Personally, I think McDonald's is pretty disgusting in general though...
    And based on that the government is going to punish everyone else. We are not Jesus. Do not make us atone for the sins of others.

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    My sister has a 12-year old daughter with a major weight issue because as a kid all she was given is fast food. It certainly isn't McDonald's fault she is overweight ~ it's her parents. My sister actually tried to blame it on the restaurants....well 'McDonald's is so fatty, Burger King is so caloric'. WTF? Don't buy it!

    Being busy is not an excuse either ~ I'm busy, I get lazy, I still manage to make positive choices for my son who cannot.

    I could give a damn if they ban McDonald's for good...I can live without it. However the government limiting what we can and can't eat is what frightens me.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if we see the exact same meals for $.10 less... And a seperate purchasable toy for $.10.

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    I'm so sick of people targeting McDonald's as the bad guy like other fast food places aren't serving the same shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arianna419 View Post
    I admit it, my son eats fast food. Less than once a week though. But he gets apples (no caramel), plain white milk and a plain hamburger. Those are his only options and always have been. If he doesn't know fries or pop are available and has never had them, he won't want them. 90 percent of the time, he gets fast food because its some kind of a reward (he went in the potty all day, had an exceptional day at daycare, behaved well at the dentist).

    ultimately its up to the parents. if my son came up and started bugging me to go get fries and coke, no matter how much he pestered me, hes not getting it. i'm the parent, i make the decisions. complaining for a toy doesn't make kids eat cheeseburgers and fries all day. its lazy parents that somehow lack the inability to tell their kid no.
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    ok, to be clear, basically this means that when parents buy their happy meals the meal will have less than 600 calories. idk this doesnt seem more unreasonable to me than most other laws.

    personally, as someone who doesnt even believe in government, i think that the best solution is to fix the root of the problem and figure out why our society is sick enough that people go out and buy their kids meals that are like 1000 calories several times a week.

    but as far as laws go- telling mcdonalds and other companies that meals targeted at children need to be <600 calories doesnt seem too invasive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    ok, to be clear, basically this means that when parents buy their happy meals the meal will have >600 calories. idk this doesnt seem more unreasonable to me than most other laws.

    personally, as someone who doesnt even believe in government, i think that the best solution is to fix the root of the problem and figure out why our society is sick enough that people go out and buy their kids meals that are like 1000 calories several times a week.

    but as far as laws go- telling mcdonalds and other companies that meals targeted at children need to be <600 calories doesnt seem too invasive.
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    ^lol.

    actually, a lot of anarchists do things that involve working with the laws. for instance , the workers rights movement- a lot of anarchists believe that the best way to self organization is to keep giving as much power to the workers as possible. so to do this you have to be trying to change the enemy.

    as far as as laws go, this one bothers me less than others because it is messing with the big corporations. i dont really see it as telling parents they cant buy their happy meals. its telling mcdonalds/burgerking/whatever that when they sell these meals to make them reasonable. 600 calories is a reasonable amount comparatively. i consider mcDs,BK,etc to all be a form of power so i am against them too. which is why this law bothers me much less than other laws telling people what choices to make.

    agreed with some of the incentives. although taking away benifits for fatties-- well dear god, i think the fat people will go to washington DC and have a riot before they peter out and have to refuel on donuts.

    to be honest i think i find this law more comical than anything .
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    The nutritional information is available. The parents have the choice to buy or not buy Happy Meals for their children. There's really no need for the government to interfere with business just because people indulge excessively. As long as there is no outright fraud/deception, a company should have the right to market their product in the most optimal way - as any company would.

    The government could also ban clearance sales at the mall, since some people simply go out of control with their credit cards, and the clearance sales entice people into spending.

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