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    Do you steal customers from camsites?

    e.g., you have a regular who comes and spends money on you. You divert him to pay you through somewhere else and do independent shows for him.

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    I will be the first to raise my hand and potentially get stoned. I have been camming since September, but not full time. Camming is my only source of income. I will be starting full-time next week and am very excited to finally have the time to put more effort into being independent. A few times I have gotten a well-paying regular and have asked him to pay me alternatively to the organized/non-indy camsite. Do you let individual guys spend hundreds on you a week to just receive thirty percent? Why or why not?

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    I have not . . . Yet.
    But I recieved a nasty email from imlive saying a customer wanted a refund. If they refund him, I`m leaving that dump, and yes, I am taking my regulars with me to adultwork, where it will cost them less anyway.
    If they can`t honour my integrity, I certainly shall not honour theirs.
    But as jazebelle89 said: If a guy is into YOU, he will find you no matter what site you are on.

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    no, I don't actively ask custys to go elsewhere. But, say I'm leaving a website, I generally pop back for an hour or two one or two weeks after my last show and let my regulars ask me if I'm working elsewhere and say 'yes', google is their friend.

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    yanno, this thread has got me thinking how awesome it would be to have ALL my handhumpers join me on adultwork . . . Wouldnt that be nice . . . Everyone in one place.

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    I'm pretty sure people will be mad and divided about this, but yes, I have diverted some customers. Yep it's wrong but I have a few customers who see and pay me at least 4 days a week, spend 100's on a site that pays only 30% and yes, I got a few of them to migrate to those 70% sites. It's a dog eat world.

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Troublegum View Post
    I have not . . . Yet.
    But I recieved a nasty email from imlive saying a customer wanted a refund. If they refund him, I`m leaving that dump, and yes, I am taking my regulars with me to adultwork, where it will cost them less anyway.
    If they can`t honour my integrity, I certainly shall not honour theirs.
    But as jazebelle89 said: If a guy is into YOU, he will find you no matter what site you are on.
    I hope it's not too high a "dispute" I have received a few of those emails myself, and it has rubbed me the wrong way. Yet another reason why some girls may quit and take custies with them

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    I have never diverted people, when i left imlive to go to mfc, i just left lol >< but! a few have actually found me and come to my room on a regular basis, which is nice, so even if you dont divert people, its gonna happen anyway.

    I dont see anything wrong in letting your regs pay through a site that gives you more, your regs would probably prefer you get more of what they are spending anyway. The website your working on might not like it, but stuff them, they do what they can to make more money, why cant you be tacticle too?

    I personally havnt done this, for the pure and simple reason of, I'm too god damn lazy haha, i stay in one area of the net at a time,

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    Personally, I will do it. I can understand why it is done especially with places that have chargebacks and sell your videos without your permission and you are not even getting paid for that. I mean yeah the cam companies are getting the traffic for us but at the same time with everything we do for the business for more than half of what we make to be taken can be insane at times when you really think of it.

    Plus it's not like we are just sitting pretty all day with back to back paying traffic, we have to do our own extra promotion on top of it all to get traffic and still have all the factors above to deal with.

    I do understand the cam companies getting a percentage of our income, it's a business, I understand that but leaving us with only 30-35 percent can be crazy when you really look at how much you are making and they get from every model and when they do "Promote", it is usually the site as a whole, so they are making money for the company, not us individually.


    But at the same time I do not how much money it takes to run a cam business nor do we know how much money they bring in from each and every model because 70 percent is a lot.

    Unfortunately, legal sex work is like that in general, they always take most of the cut. I mean look at how the legal brothels do the women there.

    I am happy for big company cam sites but I am glad there are other ways to do camming to (independent) and you get to keep most of your income.......
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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    I voted No on the poll.

    I think by using the same cam name devoted customers will search try to find you. Some customers will come and go and just have to deal with that and others might can find you it helps if using the same camname.

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    To update. Imlive decided to refund the bad customer his crappy little $12 even though I told them if they did, I would leave.
    Bad move, they are losing a lot more than $12 each hour I`m not on site.
    I have decided to do a bit of re-branding, change my hair and my name, then I shall log back into imlive and make sure my regulars know where to come and get me.
    Any company that is desperate enough to steal $12 dollars from a performer is making some serious business mistakes, my regulars and I deserve a LOT better.

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    I run a cam site and I was curious of results of this poll. I see result is 50%, however, the non stealers include some who let guys find her in other site (or own home page) with google, which means most of half (the majority) of customers are actually moved between sites.

    Actually, I am not shy to say that the majority of new user signups on my site are bring by the models i.e. stolen from the bigger ones. Small cam sites have not the site and so the cash to make deals with tube sites to get their traffic, so this urge the small site to do a dirty alliance with the own few models to go fish guys and steal them into the small site for a bigger %, that in my case is 82% and I even added an one time $50 when guy signups.
    I believe ifriends give even 100% and imlive had a 100% too, and most cam girls or studios have affiliate account, I learned this by seeing models stealing out my customers so I just balanced it so there's some going out and some returning in. Cam site owners do not love each other in any case, and they all have good offer for bring in customers, so Adapt or die.

    Of course a few models was banned, one from streamate (and she was bringing the guy to camcontacts, not even to my site, she said), this is always a risky thing, but without risk you get the 30%-35% forever and that's it.
    Something I would report, is that models tell me the most difficult site to steal guys from, it is myfreecams. The site seems the tomb of the customers, it become difficult to move them into a site where you see nothing unless pay per minute.

    My 2 cents (of euro)

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    My 2 cents (of euro)
    Hehe

    I didn't vote, but I've stolen customers in the past. I'll vote in a second. This is not something I actively do now 'cause sometimes it doesn't work out to my advantage. Like a customer will find my website and start talking to me on yahoo or something and be too fucking dumb to get set up on alertpay or whatever so I'm like, okay just keep seeing me on Streamate you retard.

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    I have never actively/consciously sent customers elsewhere but I would. I never last on 30% sites long enough to build up a following anyway, but if I got some good regulars I'd definitely send them where I could earn more money.

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    i voted no. only because i don't have a real fanbase. i have guys who come to the sites on a regular, and say they like me, but would not go through the trouble of getting set up so i can do indie shows with them like what juliette stated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette25 View Post
    ... Like a customer will find my website and start talking to me on yahoo or something and be too fucking dumb to get set up on alertpay or whatever so I'm like, okay just keep seeing me on Streamate you retard.
    lol at this.

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    I voted yes!

    I'm very "google is your friend" and a number of people have found me by searching my cam name - I use the same one (or a slight variation) on the sites I am on. I'm tempted to try this on mygirlfund but I'm afraid of getting banned (they seem really strict about offsite contact info).


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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    im not a cam girl, but i hope you girls find a way to do this sneakily. if these sites are only giving you 30% of your earnings, they are basically stealing from you. so i wouldnt feel any remorse about stealing from them. they have it coming.

    hope yall are sneaky enough not to get caught though.
    The best thing i have heard in a strip club to date:
    customer: we should get married right now! we should get a shotgun marriage!
    me: uhh... i think you are misunderstanding what a shotgun marriage means. A shotgun marriage means you knock me up and my daddy shows up at your door with a gun and forces you to marry me and raise the baby. You mean elope.
    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    My friend was really good at doing this on mygirlfund. She had a ton of people find her on MFC, where she spent most of her cam time.
    She got banned and blocked from MGF though, because she asked a guy for his email address (*stupid* decision)!
    I'm way too scared to test it out there though.
    How do you word it to get guys to find you, other than the obvious "google!!"


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    fuck 35% -I'm stealing because they steal from me. So sad too bad!

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    It's kind of funny. Adult work is one of the only places where this behavior is accepted as "stealing". Just because a company defines it as stealing, does not make it so. If you are an employee, they might have SOME basis to define it as stealing, but as an independent contractor, who is expected to have other contracts, and even often PENALIZED for having other camsites, this is NOT stealing. A free market is a free market.

    Now, they CAN make rules to say that the behavior is cause for ending the contract with you, and that is just fair, since they feel that your continued work with them is compromised by the fact that you move their customers elsewhere. But STEALING? Hardly.

    Either be the best selling camsite that gives your women fair pay and makes your service indispensable, or pay the price!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pushit69 View Post
    fuck 35% -I'm stealing because they steal from me. So sad too bad!
    I had run sites in years and never paid less than 40% in past and with current one I pay 60% (that's why I have more cam girls than members, sad but that's it, more % you pay girls, less members you have...), but just to make it more clear to cam gurls, the site who pay 35% is not keeping for themselves 65% really. Or there was way more cam sites around if it was so profitable and easy. Even if site hosting and admins costed zero, and site not paid any taxes because on caribbean island tax heaven, the credit card biller take from a very minimum of 5% to 12%, so the site gets 90% themselves, but then count a 25% - 30% or more to the affiliate (webmaster), then some cam sites keep net 10%, and if are not big enough so this is 10% of big $$$, they even close for a loss of be unable to pay server bills and employees.
    Most cam sites are hostage of who give them traffic who cost them same of cam girls, basically is full of cam girls there's thousands and is easy and free to signup them to a site, but everyone needs and wants traffic of guys who pay for girls, so it ended up that girl get 35%, traffic cost up to the same of cam girl, and site gets the smallest piece. For the same reason sites with most traffic as jasmin and streamate pay 30-35% only, and sites who pay 50-60% have little traffic - except perhaps those bring by models themselves, who fish the guys in the 30% sites and move into the 60%+.
    Actually there's not even the bad guy and good guy in this story, is just mathematics

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChatGF View Post
    I had run sites in years and never paid less than 40% in past and with current one I pay 60% (that's why I have more cam girls than members, sad but that's it, more % you pay girls, less members you have...), but just to make it more clear to cam gurls, the site who pay 35% is not keeping for themselves 65% really. Or there was way more cam sites around if it was so profitable and easy. Even if site hosting and admins costed zero, and site not paid any taxes because on caribbean island tax heaven, the credit card biller take from a very minimum of 5% to 12%, so the site gets 90% themselves, but then count a 25% - 30% or more to the affiliate (webmaster), then some cam sites keep net 10%, and if are not big enough so this is 10% of big $$$, they even close for a loss of be unable to pay server bills and employees.
    Most cam sites are hostage of who give them traffic who cost them same of cam girls, basically is full of cam girls there's thousands and is easy and free to signup them to a site, but everyone needs and wants traffic of guys who pay for girls, so it ended up that girl get 35%, traffic cost up to the same of cam girl, and site gets the smallest piece. For the same reason sites with most traffic as jasmin and streamate pay 30-35% only, and sites who pay 50-60% have little traffic - except perhaps those bring by models themselves, who fish the guys in the 30% sites and move into the 60%+.
    Actually there's not even the bad guy and good guy in this story, is just mathematics
    And then there is MFC...BIG traffic and 50% payout...

    It CAN be done....

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    Default Re: Do You Steal Customers?

    Quote Originally Posted by LuxDahl View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but what sites pay over 35% outside of MFC, Websfinest, and the last one which name I can't remember (run by a woman, cut is 80%). I keep seeing 30% being mentioned as piddly, but that's all I see? Kind of an industry standard. :/
    Streamate pays 35% and webcams.com pays more, but I forgot how much, exactly. Both pay weekly. Streamate has a lot of traffic.

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    webcams.com it is 37% payout, but customers can buy credit packages where your pay rate from those customers will be lower because they don't adjust the fee/absorb the loss for the performer.

    To answer the above posted - sites that pay over 60% payout:
    Niteflirt
    Adultwork
    Independent cam listing sites (between 65%-80% is what I've seen)

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    Quote Originally Posted by roast View Post
    webcams.com it is 37% payout, but customers can buy credit packages where your pay rate from those customers will be lower because they don't adjust the fee/absorb the loss for the performer.

    To answer the above posted - sites that pay over 60% payout:
    Niteflirt
    Adultwork
    Independent cam listing sites (between 65%-80% is what I've seen)
    Hey gurls my site chatgf.com pay 60% too on my traffic, and 82% on your stolen guys (referral), http://chatgf.ru/?g=no
    What I was saying is that whoever try to pay such high can not have the big traffic of a streamate or jasmin or so as they pay 35% only but the missing 25% they spend in buy traffic more.
    So the site who pay 60% and have big traffic for every gurl is 1+1=3.

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