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    so there's a thread about ripping off customers but do you ever give a deal for a lap dance if it's a really shitty night and you just want SOME money?

    at my club the lap dances are 30 dollars and nobody watches the lap dances at all. they know who goes into the lap dance room and VAGUELY know how many songs you were in there for. you give 10 dollars to the doorman for each song whenever you're done. I've gotten away with doing 5 lap dances and only giving the doorman 20 bucks. the customer paid full price for each dance and I just kept the extra.

    last night when it was slow I was talking to one guy and he said will you give me three lap dances for 75 dollars? I said no immediately and that they're 30 a piece and why didn't he just go for 2 dances if he didn't have enough for 3?

    in hindsight I probably could have done the 3 dances, given the doorman 10 bucks, and pocketed the rest.

    my first thought is that would have been bad business. the minute you give a guy an inch, he takes a mile. if you start giving deals on lap dances they'll just want it cheaper and cheaper. they'll go around the club to each girl to find out just how cheap they can get it for. they'll give you the whole "well THIS dancer did this"

    on the other hand 65 bucks is a decent profit to make in under 10 minutes and it's a LOT better than nothing.

    what are your thoughts?

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    Never undersell. It's bad for every dancer in your club-if one girl does it, the customers will all flock to her. She won't make as much as she's supposed to, and no one else will make anything unless they also undersell. If I found out girls in my club were doing that, I'd make it my business to get them fired.

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    Default Re: How often do you give customers a deal?

    I don't know if this counts as a "deal" but I always offer a half hour for $150, its the equivalent to about 9 dances so they save about thirty bucks, not significant enough that anyone would really notice but still nice for the guy if he's looking for dances anyways. I have given 2 for 1 discounts on really really really slow days when I was maybe not even going to make any money at all. But I hate doing that, it's definitely a last resort!

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    The prices for private shows are pretty standard across the board here in Melbourne. However you inevitably get guys looking to book one show or one topless waitress who want you to do them a deal.

    Very early on I initiated the policy of having two prices: one for small booking and a discounted rate for multiple bookings. It used to be if the client booked 3 or more girls I would give them a discount, now I make it they have to book 4 or more.

    The reasoning behind this is that private work in Melbourne is very seasonal, we go very quiet over winter, and I'm not going to make it through the quiet time if I let every Tom Dick or Harry get a cheapo rate.

    Guys have to face up to the fact there is a set price for what they want. If they're not prepared to pay the price then they can take a hike. I'm a business, not a charity.
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    i'll kinda give deals sometimes. then they get back there and want to touch and find out that they'll have to tip me for that.

    sometimes i'll lose track of the song count, and losing money on that is bad enough. i wouldn't do it on purpose. unless, of course, it was for a super tame, lazy dance. then i'd be game.

    i'd rather just accept a bad night, but keep my dignity. it seems to pay off the next good night. it's like they can tell who'll sell herself short and who won't.
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    Never. Fuck that

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    I remember the last girl that was underselling at my old club got into a very friendly conversation with 4 of my friends. She didn't come back.
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    If it's something like ONE LAST $500 hour... and they've been spending all night, have $480 and their card is maxed out... I'll probably go for it.
    But on a single dance... no fucking way.

    Most clubs have some sort of special or "cheap" dance... that's the most they'll ever get from me.
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    My take is, we all come into the club with whatever $$$ we bring. If you're there to work, you want to get as much of that as you can with a reasonable effort. So if we meet and hit it off, why wouldn't you be willing to make a deal for a quantity of dances if it maximizes your net proceeds? (Unless your club is monitoring you very closely and extracting too much for each song.)
    I'm a regular at a few clubs. The girls who get the most $$ from me over time aren't the ones who try to get the most on night one, but the ones who make me feel like I need to come back soon to see them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by majordon View Post
    So if we meet and hit it off, why wouldn't you be willing to make a deal for a quantity of dances if it maximizes your net proceeds?
    Because we could sell the same number of dances full price (or more!) to someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    Because we could sell the same number of dances full price (or more!) to someone else.

    But there is no guarantee that's going to happen in the next 20 minutes. If you get a guy interested in going to the VIP area and you're going to pocket his $100 or so, should it really matter whether you spend 12 minutes dancing for 4 songs or 15 minutes dancing for 5? No one is suggesting anyone drop their prices across the board for individual dances but if you leave the guy thinking he got something of a deal, I would think he's more likely to come back in and drop money on you on a regular basis going forward. IMO, making the guy (mistakenly?) think there is something special going on can only work to your benefit in terms of future business and him thinking you're cutting him a deal certainly facilitates that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    IMO, making the guy (mistakenly?) think there is something special going on can only work to your benefit in terms of future business and him thinking you're cutting him a deal certainly facilitates that.
    It's not to my benefit if he expects a deal every time; then it becomes a waste of my time. I'm with desuvus, I'll cut the price a little for cr extensions or a really expensive room if they are paying cash but never on single dances.

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    ^^^So you'd rather make $0 for 0 dances than selling, say 5 dances for the price of 4 in the hopes of developing a regular in the middle of a bad economy? No one is suggesting you should cut the price of a single dance, but the bigger the block of dances, the less it should cost per minute. This principle applies to every single product sold on the planet. The larger the quantity you purchase, the less it costs per unit. Food, alcohol, toiletries, drugs, it applies to all of them.

    I find it hard to believe that any of the girls I know who dance would say no to a guaranteed $100 for 15 minutes in the hopes of getting $100 for 12 minutes, especially in this economy. Nonetheless, I would encourage you or anyone else to do exactly what they think is best for their bottom line.
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    Firstly, at my club 100 bux is only 3 dances, and the house cut is 10 bux per song. I'm not doing 4 for 100 to walk with 60; fuck that. Secondly, its called low balling; other dancers don't dig it, and its not fair to them. Also, not to be conceited, but I am pretty hot with a kick ass body, and I don't have trouble selling full price dances; single song, or otherwise. Thirdly, I am allowed to charge whatever I want for 30 min rooms. The club only takes a certain amount, so if I sell a room for 400, and cut a deal on the next half hour for 300 just to keep him in there, then its my prerogative, as it states nowhere in my contract that I can't do this.
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    During my first strip club experience, a dancer approached me very soon after my entrance. I don't remember exactly how it went but she offered me an extra dance ($20) if I bought enough dances (at this club the DJ counted dances and the girls had to pay out per VIP dance). She ended up going home with probably $400-500 of my money. My tip more than made up for her 'deal' dance. We did long sets of dances a couple of different times.

    At a club where girls get to set their price for the CR, I see the same girls sitting around all night dancing for no one because they are asking something like $500 for a half hour plus fees to the bar. Another dancer will offer a reasonable rate who is cute with a hot body. We will end up going an hour. Some girls work hard and make good money. Others seem to hope to catch lightning in a bottle.

    Another place, a dancer keeps trying to upsell me while getting a $10 dance on the floor. Annoying. She admits that she is holding back but will dance better in the $20 VIP dances. She never found out. Another girl tells me also about the VIP upstairs where dances are 3 for $100, I think. I ask her what she thinks. She honestly tells me that the dances are the same. We get a long set of dances in VIP for $20 each and tip. Another girl comes by. We do a dance or two in VIP and she promises more upstairs. We go up there. Horrible dance. She got her money and was on cruise control. I was ready to leave before the 3 songs were up. I saw the second girl and we went to VIP for probably another $200. The third girl to whom I was very attracted went for the quick easy money and got it but will never get any money from me again. The girl who led me to believe that she was looking out for me came away with three times as much money as the ROB.

    Honest girls that tell me how it really is will win every time. Girls that offer some 'deal' or buy me a drink (never happened yet) will win my heart and my wallet everytime. They win. It provides some added passion to the temporary dream. It makes it easier to believe that the lady really wants to dance for me. Girls with pushy hustle, wanna-dance girls, and arrogant dancers get very little of my money.

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    I used to work at a club where the girls set their own VIP price, minimum was £250 per hour, I'd say £350 if they paid card or £320 cash (the club charged them 20% on card and took 10% off me so I'd actually make more off £320 cash). That's the only time I'd do a deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by majordon
    If you're there to work, you want to get as much of that as you can with a reasonable effort. So if we meet and hit it off, why wouldn't you be willing to make a deal for a quantity of dances if it maximizes your net proceeds?
    What Desuvs said. Also if we give you a discount one night you'll probably expect it every time you come in, might be ok on a quiet night but ain't gonna fly on a packed Saturday. Furthermore you'll come to expect it of other girls or try to get them to undercut further which leads bitchy competition and/or us getting in trouble with the management and other girls because we're going below the specified price and taking business from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401
    But there is no guarantee that's going to happen in the next 20 minutes. If you get a guy interested in going to the VIP area and you're going to pocket his $100 or so, should it really matter whether you spend 12 minutes dancing for 4 songs or 15 minutes dancing for 5?
    Don't get me wrong, I want your money, but I don't desperately need it and I'm not going to beg for it. I know what I'm worth and I know undercutting is NOT worth the trouble it causes. Why should I do a deal for the cheap asshole who thinks he's too good to pay full price when everyone else is happy to pay the full amount.

    Generally the ones who want things cheaper are always the ones who try to grab me and ask for extras so HELL NO am I going to put up with that for less than full price. My biggest spenders also tend to be the most polite and well behaved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniella_maria View Post
    Firstly, at my club 100 bux is only 3 dances, and the house cut is 10 bux per song. I'm not doing 4 for 100 to walk with 60; fuck that. Secondly, its called low balling; other dancers don't dig it, and its not fair to them. Also, not to be conceited, but I am pretty hot with a kick ass body, and I don't have trouble selling full price dances; single song, or otherwise. Thirdly, I am allowed to charge whatever I want for 30 min rooms. The club only takes a certain amount, so if I sell a room for 400, and cut a deal on the next half hour for 300 just to keep him in there, then its my prerogative, as it states nowhere in my contract that I can't do this.
    The rules and fee structures of individual clubs obviously affect the flexibility to do any of this stuff but you seem to be flexible when you think it is to your advantage, which is exactly what i was advocating a dancer do.

    On a point-by-point basis, firstly, $70 for 9 minutes beats $60 for 12, but they both beat sitting at the bar and making $0.

    Secondly, most of the dancers I'm friendly with couldn't care less about their co-workers ( or their customers come to think about it).

    Thirdly, your strategy for doing rooms doesn't differ from what I was suggesting. Hey, I give golf lessons for $50/half hr but I'm not going to say no to an hour for $75 unless I'm already booked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401
    On a point-by-point basis, firstly, $70 for 9 minutes beats $60 for 12, but they both beat sitting at the bar and making $0.
    Not if there's a chance that within the 12 minutes I'm getting ripped off by you I miss the opportunity to sell full price dances to someone else. And yes, ripped off, you'd hate it if you found out we were overcharging you - well, we get just as pissed when we realise your trying get us to undercharge.

    Quote Originally Posted by bem401
    Secondly, most of the dancers I'm friendly with couldn't care less about their co-workers ( or their customers come to think about it).
    Maybe that's because they're all cutting deals behind the other girls backs. I for one do care about a lot of the other girls there. Maybe I'm not your typical stripper but I know I make more when I'm working in a friendly environment, low-balling does not promote this.

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    For a customer I just met I wont do any deals. For my regulars that I know have money I will throw in a beer or dance on me. If a customer asks for it though I would feel offended I usually laugh and walk away. When I was a newbie and it was really slow I would discount the dances but do an air dance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amareth View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I want your money, but I don't desperately need it and I'm not going to beg for it. I know what I'm worth and I know undercutting is NOT worth the trouble it causes. Why should I do a deal for the cheap asshole who thinks he's too good to pay full price when everyone else is happy to pay the full amount.

    Generally the ones who want things cheaper are always the ones who try to grab me and ask for extras so HELL NO am I going to put up with that for less than full price. My biggest spenders also tend to be the most polite and well behaved.
    Well, don't get me wrong, when I was an active customer, I paid whatever the girl charged if I really wanted a dance from her and I tipped if I felt it deserved it.

    Let's face it though, particularly in a bad economy, if the choice is a couple extra minutes here and there or no sale, the couple extra minutes is understandable.

    As far as the girls I'm friendly with are concerned, they just hate the business at this stage in their careers.
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    I worked through the last recession, and I didn't give discount dances then, either. Not doing discount dances has never hurt my money. I would never ask a customer to do even one minute of thier job for free, so why should I be expected to, especially in this economy, lol. The economy is bad for everyone; not just customers.

    People who want dances for less iny experience are usually the ones who also expect to ne able to touch, and are generally disrespectful.

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    The club I frequent is $25 per dance upstairs. After spending everything I had ($400) plus tip, the lady asked if I could do one more dance. It was close to closing time and she explained if she did one more dance she would max out and not have to pay rent for that shift. I informed her she already had all my money and suggested she do the last dance of the evening for free. She would have to pay the clubs cut of the $25 ($6) but would save herself the $50 rent for the night. In actuality, paying herself $44 for the last dance of the evening. She got offended because I suggested that alternative stating she doesn't need to give her shit away because she is hot. Gave me hug, thanked me and proceeded to the the bouncer and paid her rent as the lights came on. So, on the principle of not offering deals or giving herself for free....she cost herself $44???

    My humble opinion, based on situations like the above...there might be times it is beneficial to offer something above and beyond. One dancer will occasionally buy me a drink or send one over if she is busy with someone else and believe me....that cost of the drink for her is returned ten fold either later that evening or shortly in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    But there is no guarantee that's going to happen in the next 20 minutes. If you get a guy interested in going to the VIP area and you're going to pocket his $100 or so, should it really matter whether you spend 12 minutes dancing for 4 songs or 15 minutes dancing for 5? No one is suggesting anyone drop their prices across the board for individual dances but if you leave the guy thinking he got something of a deal, I would think he's more likely to come back in and drop money on you on a regular basis going forward. IMO, making the guy (mistakenly?) think there is something special going on can only work to your benefit in terms of future business and him thinking you're cutting him a deal certainly facilitates that.
    I consider it better business to have customers coming back because I provide quality service... not because I give them a deal.
    Maybe some people would rather say "fuck it, it's $100"... but I'm not doing MORE work for LESS money because some guy doesn't want to pay full price. To me... it DOES matter if I'm tossing in an extra song/three minutes for free. I would rather build regulars with money who are there to spend money and leave... rather than pick up regulars who think I'm their buddy and that I'll cut them a deal if they don't have so much money one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daniella_maria View Post
    I worked through the last recession, and I didn't give discount dances then, either. Not doing discount dances has never hurt my money. I would never ask a customer to do even one minute of thier job for free, so why should I be expected to, especially in this economy, lol. The economy is bad for everyone; not just customers.

    People who want dances for less iny experience are usually the ones who also expect to ne able to touch, and are generally disrespectful.
    When did this thread become about the guys who wanna negotiate dance prices? I thought it was about when it made sense for a dancer to offer someone they know a deal to secure a multi-dance sale.

    As far as cutting deals in a bad economy is concerned, its called the Law of Supply and Demand. When you have way more customers than you need, its possible to charge a premium. When you have way less the customers than you need, prices may have to be reduced, especially when you are talking about a good or service that's hardly a necessity. It's Econ 101.
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