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    Default Selling blocks of time with no VIP/CR

    At my club, all we sell are dances. It's $20 for a song and there are three different areas you can give a dance in, some of which are nicer than others, but none of which are particularly private, and you often don't know if someone has taken the nicer area until you get there with the customer.

    You also can't do stage skips (although the DJ is fairly good at kindly skipping you if he sees that you're off giving dances, but no guarantee it'll happen). At the very least, it's possible to see the stage rotation and the DJ announces who will be the next set, so you have about a 4 song warning. Essentially, you have a fairly good idea of when you will be on stage.

    It's not a bad deal since I'm fairly good at selling strings of dances and I don't have to give a cut to the club or anything. I generally only go on stage once a shift if we have a lot of girls working, which seems to be the case now that a schedule has been instilled. We also don't have to sell drinks/bottles/anything but our dances, so that's quite nice.

    I do like the idea of VIPs/CRs though, where you get paid for a chunk of time and dance for some of it or just sit and chitchat, so I do wish my club had something like this. I know some girls do this on their own by selling blocks of time, but I'm unsure of how to phrase this since it's not as if there's a special place to go to. Our dances are also fairly high contact and fully nude, so there's not much more to offer.

    Essentially, it would work out as a deal for them. Rather than paying, say, 140$ for about 7 dances in half an hour, I could charge a bit less (120?) for the block of time, as long as I know I'm not expected to go on stage to avoid any interruption. I'm just not really sure how to approach this, especially sine a good chunk of the customers are club regulars who know there is no VIP/CR. Thoughts?

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    Default Re: Selling blocks of time with no VIP/CR

    I really like the idea of introducing the concept once I've already started dancing for them and know they're into it and want more. Thanks for the tip!

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    I've always sold the half hour as a "dances are $20/song, but I also offer them for $150/half hour, we can have a great time and won't have to bother keeping track of songs" I say $150 because guys already think that songs in strip clubs are short! They will agree with you that an average song is about 3 minutes...that's 10 songs in a half hour, or $200...fifty bucks is plenty of a good deal for them (even though I've found that there's usually 8 songs, mayyybe 9 in half an hour so they don't save *that* much.) but they think they do, which is how you sell them.

    On another note, I know that in our area it is frowned upon by other girls to know that you do this, even though I'm pretty sure a lot do, and on top of that, a lot more are selling extras, which is much worse than offering a little deal in my opinion ANYWAYS, keep it on the dl, don't ask other girls at the club about it, and make sure you tell your customer (if he is a regular to the club/gets dances with a lot of girls) NOT to tell the other girls about your special deal...it's between "you two". It saves your butt *and* makes him think he's special so he'll most likely keep coming back to you

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    I know a girl who would tell a customer she would "give him a VIP" for 100 dollars and then just take him into the LD area for 20 minutes. when the guy inquired about the champagne rooms she would say "oh those are the champagne rooms they're a little different. we can do one of those too after the VIP" something about the words "VIP" and "Champagne Room" can entice a guy.

    she was a really experienced hustler and knew how to phrase things right and answer questions without making the customer suspicious. if the customer asked why none of the other girls offered the "VIP" she'd feed them some line of bullshit about being an independent contractor so she can set her own rates for her time and she would rather spend more quality time with one customer than do one dance for 20 separate customers.

    if you think you can spin the "block of time" deal into a "VIP" when chatting with a customer it could have a positive effect.

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    Thanks ladies! I love all the lines you guys have, especially about spending more quality time with the one customer. I'm definitely going to try this out next time I go in.

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    It's always been my experience that I'm going to make more money just making sure the guy is getting a lot of dances. Even if the guy just wants to talk, I still make it clear that I have to make money and we can keep chatting but I'm going to be topless and on the clock while we're doing it. There's no reason to give a customer a deal. It's better to run out all his cash as soon as you can so you can move on. So find out as soon as you can if he's going to get dances, do as many dances as you can, take a break if either of you need it (I always break for a song or two after $100 unless the customer is begging me to continue, I insist on a break after $400 because that's a lot of moving!) and then make sure to get back into dancing as soon as you can. I talk to the customer the entire time we're dancing because that helps me keep them hooked.

    Also, the point of VIP/CR is they are getting a higher level of experience with you. It shouldn't be cheaper, or a deal, it should be more expensive. You're not on the clearance rack at walmart.
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    Default Re: Selling blocks of time with no VIP/CR

    Quote Originally Posted by goreantx View Post
    It's always been my experience that I'm going to make more money just making sure the guy is getting a lot of dances. Even if the guy just wants to talk, I still make it clear that I have to make money and we can keep chatting but I'm going to be topless and on the clock while we're doing it. There's no reason to give a customer a deal. It's better to run out all his cash as soon as you can so you can move on. So find out as soon as you can if he's going to get dances, do as many dances as you can, take a break if either of you need it (I always break for a song or two after $100 unless the customer is begging me to continue, I insist on a break after $400 because that's a lot of moving!) and then make sure to get back into dancing as soon as you can. I talk to the customer the entire time we're dancing because that helps me keep them hooked.

    Also, the point of VIP/CR is they are getting a higher level of experience with you. It shouldn't be cheaper, or a deal, it should be more expensive. You're not on the clearance rack at walmart.
    When you tell them you're going to be on the clock while you're just talking, how do you phrase it?

    In my experience, guys have wanted to "just talk" because of a lack of money anyway, and it seems that they would rather get dances.

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    ^Exactly. And with the way the club is set up, I can't even really try and pretend we have a VIP and just bring them to a different area of the club.

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    Reviving this old thread,useful info for me. We only have $20 LDs,no VIP/CR. Only VIP is for custies who buy bottles/section.

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    Default Re: Selling blocks of time with no VIP/CR

    I upsell a $20 dance to a $40 "VIP" dance, and ask if they want to do an hour or a half hour. I do $400-$600 for an hour (depending on the night, customer, and what he wants ie. nude + touching or just topless) "VIP" dances which would be $800/ hr normally so it's a huge discount for them. And my half hours are $250-$350 "VIP" dances, I don't offer time on regular dances. I also do 3-for-$100 VIP dances if neither the half hour or the hour works for him. I always get on top of them and start teasing them before I do my sales pitch. Most dances I sell are VIP dances or 3-for-100s, and I always sell at least one block of time per night.

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    Default Re: Selling blocks of time with no VIP/CR

    I got to try this approach last night...it worked! It's all about the way you word I see...that word "time" really gets them. Lol

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