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    in light of the threads posted about the TSA patdowns, i felt starting a thread on how likely you are to be killed by terrorists is relevant.

    seriously, we are using these pat downs that are invasive and for some even traumatic in the name of safety. but lets look at the things more likely to kill you than a terrorist:

    -Drowning. you are 87 times more likely to drown than to be killed by terrorists.
    -Choking on your own vomit. yep, you are 9x more liekly to choke on your own puke than to be killed by a terrorist. yes im looking at you, raging alcoholics.
    -Accidental suffocation. the threat of accidental suffocation is 12x greater than terrorism (to you personally of course). hmm... maybe the TSA should be worried about the plastic bags in your kitchen drawer?
    -car accidents- Yep, you are wayyy more likely to die driving to work than on a plane due to terrorists, even without the invasive patdowns. 1048 times more likely to die. eep!
    -falling. 404x more likely to die from falling. and knowing how often i fall down in my stripper shoes, im sure this number is greater for my clumsy ass. i think the TSA should tell me not to wear my 8 inch stilletos!
    -hot weather. yep, hot weather is 6x more likely to kill you than a terrorist. watch out, southern belles and southern gents.
    -Police officer- you are 8x more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. oh my...

    but seriously, look at all of the other threats that are statistically a bigger hazard than terrorists. lets face it, fear is the main thing justifying these patdowns. But i guess as someone living in the south, i really should be worrying about my real enemy- the heat. and falling.

    http://newsblaze.com/story/200902211.../topstory.html
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    oh also 11,000 times more likely to die in a plane ACCIDENT than a plane crash caused by terrorists.

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    Baby girl I love you so much right now,lol. *hugs*!

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    So since there's no danger from terrorists...

    What's the TSA's endgame here? What is their diabolical goal of these invasive pat downs and extra security? Which only encourages people to not fly.

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    there is a small probability of danger from terrorists. and if by some small probability a terrorist attacks, yes you are probably fucked.

    but putting it in perspective- i dont think it is a large enough threat to justify things that violate peoples comfort level.

    and also, how much are these pat downs really going to protect us? is it security or just looking like security? so great, now the one terrorist a yr who was considering putting a bomb in his underwear will find a different way to store it. but the millions of ppl who fly domestically have to be subjected to these inappropriate "security" measures.

    really, what the fuck are we gaining by this? i doubt it will even make flying safer. it just makes the TSA feel like they should pat themselves on the back for taking 'security' to unprecedented levels.
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    Default Re: Terrorists vs. everything else

    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    -Accidental suffocation. the threat of accidental suffocation is 12x greater than terrorism (to you personally of course). hmm... maybe the TSA should be worried about the plastic bags in your kitchen drawer?
    Does this statistic include autoerotic asphyxiation?
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    i am losing my fucking mind and i really just want this chloroform dream because i think that would just get me right with jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesuvsDeath View Post
    Does this statistic include autoerotic asphyxiation?
    lolz. i have no idea.
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    lol it gets even sillier. i googled some more and found a bunch of articles claiming the radiation from the body scanners is just as likely to kill you as a terrorist is to kill you by blowing up your plane. i.e. there is a small probability that the machine will malfunction and overdose you with radiation. a very small probability. but the probability of a terrorist blowing up your plane is also a small probability.

    lolz.

    http://sify.com/news/full-body-airpo...tnuqffghh.html
    http://www.prisonplanet.com/airport-...rist-bomb.html

    according to this article (on the same scientist) a lot of the machines are actually delivering higher doses of radiation than the manufacturers claim. and several scientists have been writing to the FDA because the health consequences of these machines have not properly been studied.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...st-claims.html

    seriously, if the probability of getting killed by terrorists is even comparable to the probability of getting cancer from the stupid machines protecting us, how the fuck can we justify this? i guess the terrorists look much scarier and make for a much more graphic news delivery than a slow death of cancer, but really? REALLY?
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    ooo ooo and some at home statistics to be taken with a few grains of salt.

    http://jalopnik.com/comment/32702747/

    there are some real stats thrown in and some gestimates... i wouldnt call this a statistical masterpiece, but still amusing.
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    Most of your comparisons involve things that are largely not preventable. We KNOW that the terrorist are trying to kill us and we KNOW that taking down an airplance is their very, very favorite method of doing this as it gets lots of publicity and would also crush us financially if they were able to bring down planes with even a small amount of regularity.

    Not doing everything reasonably possible to prevent this doesn't make any rational sense. I think this whole issue is getting greatly hyped by the media. First off, almost all the reports on the scanners indicate that they are not a radiation threat, for most people the pat-down is only necessary if they opt not to go through the scanner. Secondly, while there is tremendous hostility and anger online, there is very little resitance at the actual aiport.

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    Terrorists strike because they want to cause fear. And they succeeded. Just look at the inconveniences caused by security and people travelling are more aware and on guard nowdays. The terrorists have already won.

    The latests terrorists attempts have been prevented because of intelligence, not airport security. Terrorists lately donot use the same method twice, yet airport security is focused on trying to prevent attacks excuted with known methods. Airport security has an extremely bad track record preventing attacks with new methods. Just look what happened the recent years:

    -9/11: no sharp object allowed in the cabin
    -shoe bomber: we have to take off our shoes
    -UK liquid attempt: we can only take liquids on board sealed
    -and the latest: the scanner because explosives glued on an inner leg.

    All these security measures are useless.

    What we need is profiling (not PC, I know) and multi-layered security instead of these ridiculous measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    What's the TSA's endgame here? What is their diabolical goal of these invasive pat downs and extra security? Which only encourages people to not fly.
    I speculate that the government is more interested in protecting itself from threats than the American people. Dissent is high because of the economic downturn. These invasive security measures conducted by the TSA could be a means to exert more control over the American people. It is more of a psychological control based on authority and fear.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    Secondly, while there is tremendous hostility and anger online, there is very little resitance at the actual aiport.
    I think the lack of resistance at the airport has more to do with people's tendency to comply with uniformed authority figures. See the Milgram Study. Also, if they cause trouble in the security line, they will likely miss their flight, which is the reason they are there to begin with.

    People will most likely protest the new procedures by choosing other means of transport. Because of the TSA, checked bag fees, and long delays flying has become a hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlfromipanema View Post
    These invasive security measures conducted by the TSA could be a means to exert more control over the American people. It is more of a psychological control based on authority and fear.
    That's a bit of a stretch. Could it be possible that they are looking to avoid credible threats of terrorism as well as the crash of the economy, $billions in lawsuits and everyone blaming them if there is an incident?

    I think the lack of resistance at the airport has more to do with people's tendency to comply with uniformed authority figures.
    It could also have something to do with the fact that people ACTUALLY getting on the plane are more concerned with keeping a potential bomber or terrorist off then someone sitting safetly at their computer monitor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post
    Most of your comparisons involve things that are largely not preventable. We KNOW that the terrorist are trying to kill us and we KNOW that taking down an airplance is their very, very favorite method of doing this as it gets lots of publicity and would also crush us financially if they were able to bring down planes with even a small amount of regularity.

    Not doing everything reasonably possible to prevent this doesn't make any rational sense. I think this whole issue is getting greatly hyped by the media. First off, almost all the reports on the scanners indicate that they are not a radiation threat, for most people the pat-down is only necessary if they opt not to go through the scanner. Secondly, while there is tremendous hostility and anger online, there is very little resitance at the actual aiport.
    what are you talking about? Most of these are perfectly preventable. Being killed by cops? Heart desease (i didnt list it but listed in the article)? Car accidents? Drowning?

    I dont think ANYTHING on that list is less preventable than terrorists bombing your plane.

    seriously, do you actually mean to tell me that using x-rays to look through every passengers clothes and/or grabbing every passengers tits and crotch is going to prevent terrorism? because this is EXACTLY what we are talking about here.

    I think we have a much better shot at preventing heart desease than we do at catching terrorists by the TSA grabbing my vagina.

    Quote Originally Posted by Walker View Post
    Terrorists strike because they want to cause fear. And they succeeded. Just look at the inconveniences caused by security and people travelling are more aware and on guard nowdays. The terrorists have already won.
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    ding ding ding! we have a winner. a very statistically trivial threat has led us to give up our freedom from having our crotch grabbed. WOW.

    Quote Originally Posted by girlfromipanema View Post
    I speculate that the government is more interested in protecting itself from threats than the American people. Dissent is high because of the economic downturn. These invasive security measures conducted by the TSA could be a means to exert more control over the American people. It is more of a psychological control based on authority and fear.
    again, i think this is very true. often when placed in a position of authority people like to get carried away. thats human nature, not my anti government ramblings.

    Quote Originally Posted by jimboe7373 View Post

    It could also have something to do with the fact that people ACTUALLY getting on the plane are more concerned with keeping a potential bomber or terrorist off then someone sitting safetly at their computer monitor.
    Speaking of actually getting on a plane: your biggest threats when getting on a plane are driving to the airport or an ACCIDENTAL plane crash. A terrorist blowing up your plane is a MUCH SMALLER threat that you face when you go to the airport.

    The terrorists have succeeded much more at making people give up all reason and personal privacy than actually killing people on planes.

    and in regards to legitamate fears: i live in the murder capital of the US, where the murder rate is 61 per 100,000. however, do you see me running down to the mayor saying the police should pat down everyones crotch to make sure that people dont have a knife strapped to their balls? NO. because that would be giving up basic freedoms. and also i highly doubt police measures doing this would even put a statistically significant dent in the murder rate of New Orleans. And im talking about a LEGITAMATE concern here (seriously, getting murdered in New Orleans is actually something that you should watch out for) vs. something that is statistically trivial.
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    Personally, I think it is all about money and corruption. Throw in a lot of cowardice on part of Americans too.

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    The chances of being killed by a Drunk Driver aren't that high... So why do we even bother having a legal limit for driving? I'm sure if we do it away with them, everything will be fine.

    Planes are a high profile target. Not only does destroying one kill dozens-hundreds of people on board, it can also be used as a weapon.

    It's extremely unlikely that terrorists would ever gain entry to a Nuclear Silo in Nebraska, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be secure.

    And the suggestion that this is an attempt to by the government to exert fear or move people out of the coutnry??

    Come on people... Hell, outside of the Transportation and Homeland Security this stuff has been getting flack from all levels of government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol View Post
    Personally, I think it is all about money and corruption. Throw in a lot of cowardice on part of Americans too.
    What? Money and Corruption? Yeah the TSA is really making a killing, I heard they're gonna turn a huge profit this year.

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    I think airport screening measures for domestic flights are designed to protect our fragile psyches in order to protect that which truly matters to the gov't-our economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    The chances of being killed by a Drunk Driver aren't that high... So why do we even bother having a legal limit for driving? I'm sure if we do it away with them, everything will be fine.

    Planes are a high profile target. Not only does destroying one kill dozens-hundreds of people on board, it can also be used as a weapon.

    It's extremely unlikely that terrorists would ever gain entry to a Nuclear Silo in Nebraska, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be secure.

    And the suggestion that this is an attempt to by the government to exert fear or move people out of the coutnry??

    Come on people... Hell, outside of the Transportation and Homeland Security this stuff has been getting flack from all levels of government.
    Im not going to get into an arguement about drunk driving, especially on this thread, but i will say that cars DO NOT come with mandatory automatic breathalyzers UNTIL someone already gets a DUI. These procedures are the much more invasive and humiliating version of a law mandating that every car comes with a built in breathalyzer for every american.

    and yes, drunk driving is a much bigger threat than getting blown up by terrorists on a plane. most things are a bigger threat than getting blown up by terrorists on a plane.

    seriously, whats next? the cavity search arguement might sound ridiculous, but seriously, what if someone does shove a bomb up their arse hole? these measurs wont pick it out. and then whats next...?

    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    What? Money and Corruption? Yeah the TSA is really making a killing, I heard they're gonna turn a huge profit this year.
    if im not mistaken, members of the TSA make a pretty decent salary, especially considering they dont even need a high school diploma...
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    I got stopped for an extended pat down 2 weeks ago, they made me take off my shoes because they set the metal detector off really REALLY high. Of course then they gave me my shoes back... 5 inch stilettos. I could have done a LOT of damage on a plane with my shoes if I has wanted to. So what's next? Heel hight regulations maybe? No stripper heels or regular vanilla high heels to be worn on planes? I mean I want to start gouging some people's eyes out right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    What? Money and Corruption? Yeah the TSA is really making a killing, I heard they're gonna turn a huge profit this year.
    The scanners implemented in airports across the country were produced by a corporation that obtained a government contract most likely by influencing government officials to buy their product. The government officials subsequently pushed to make the scanners a mandatory addition to the airports. The holder of the contract for the production of the scanners most likely made millions if not a billion dollars on the deal. This is how the United States government works.

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    Michael Chertoff's (former Homeland Security Chief) consulting firm represents OSI, one of two companies licensed to sell full body scanners to TSA. OSI's CEO was invited to travel to India with the Pres on his recent trip. India is now planning on installing scanners in the wake of the Mumbai attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    what are you talking about? Most of these are perfectly preventable. Being killed by cops? Heart desease (i didnt list it but listed in the article)? Car accidents? Drowning?
    First off, I didn't say all, I said most. Second, most people don't go and try to have a car accident, drown, vomit to death, die by falling etc., etc. This is a case of people DELIBERATELY trying to blow up airplanes and us HAVING knowledge of it and then debating if we should do everything we can to stop it or not.

    I'm curious what your solution is, not to use the new scanners or the pat downs?. To me that sends an invitation to the terrorists and is kind of like leaving your door unlocked when you live in a high crime area.

    Maybe the simple solution is to split up the flights and have two security check ins. When you buy your ticket you can get opt for full scan or "partial scan" flight and then go through the corresponding security check at the airport. I know which plane I'll be on.

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    This is a heated debate touch, and it goes way beyond airport security. It all boils down to how and where you order the three principles American rights where founded on; liberty, security and equality. If security is at the top of that list for you, personally, then youre more likely too see these extra security measures as a necessity, and more likely to put up with their intrusive nature. There are going to be other people who view them as a violation of their basic freedoms. Neither is 'wrong' really - it depends on each persons values and how they are ordered.

    I think some airport security is nessicary, but these patdowns and body scans are just too much. I doubt the statistical increase in the likelihood that these new measures will catch more terrorist attacks compared to the old measures is enough to justify taking away that much of our personal freedoms. There has to be a logical balance, and I personally feel the levels of security are out of control.



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    At what point do you take away rights to make people FEEL more safe?

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