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    Default Re: Terrorists vs. everything else

    Whats the probability versus say sepsis from anal tears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    -Choking on your own vomit. yep, you are 9x more liekly to choke on your own puke than to be killed by a terrorist. yes im looking at you, raging alcoholics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by girlfromipanema View Post
    The scanners implemented in airports across the country were produced by a corporation that obtained a government contract most likely by influencing government officials to buy their product. The government officials subsequently pushed to make the scanners a mandatory addition to the airports. The holder of the contract for the production of the scanners most likely made millions if not a billion dollars on the deal. This is how the United States government works.
    You said "most likely" twice...

    The contracts were for less than $200 million. That's more than 1000 machines. Oh and they took bids.

    This is the TSA, nobody walked up to an Exec and said "hey, here's some cash let's do full body scanners next, k?".

    Thanks for your... best guess though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    Im not going to get into an arguement about drunk driving, especially on this thread, but i will say that cars DO NOT come with mandatory automatic breathalyzers UNTIL someone already gets a DUI. These procedures are the much more invasive and humiliating version of a law mandating that every car comes with a built in breathalyzer for every american.

    and yes, drunk driving is a much bigger threat than getting blown up by terrorists on a plane. most things are a bigger threat than getting blown up by terrorists on a plane.

    seriously, whats next? the cavity search arguement might sound ridiculous, but seriously, what if someone does shove a bomb up their arse hole? these measurs wont pick it out. and then whats next...?



    if im not mistaken, members of the TSA make a pretty decent salary, especially considering they dont even need a high school diploma...
    I've yet to see confirmation that you don't need a diploma or a GED to work at TSA. So I'm not sure I buy that one yet.

    Besides... TSA agents makes... 20-30K a year? Managers might make 50K? This is government employment, no one is getting rich.

    And that still wouldn't explain why they would want this?

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    I was discussing these threads on SW with my Grandma, yes, my Grandma knows what SW is... and I came to a conclusion with her as we were talking.

    Each of the four adults in my life taught me something growing up, but the adult that taught me something most pertinent to this TSA issue was my step father. My step father is a Navy Veteran and he said (to me as a child):

    "if a bad guy wants to hurt you... get in your house, your car, kill you, rob you... he will. It's life, and it's true, so don't spend your time worrying about it. 'Security measures' are a false sense of security, and the more false your sense of security is, the more defenseless you are"

    I think this is true of what the TSA and United States' government is trying to do, protect us against something that is inevitable. Their efforts are futile as a terrorist agency can and will get around their security measures if they are bound and determined. If someone wanted to murder anyone, the pope, the president, me, you... anyone... it *could* be done, someway, somehow. I appreciate their efforts to protect us, but as a nation we must draw the line somewhere.

    That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    Their efforts are futile as a terrorist agency can and will get around their security measures if they are bound and determined
    I agree with part of your post that they can get around security measures if they are determined. I disagree with the part of security efforts being futile though. Having security measures as stringent as possible is the difference from one person every year trying a new technique and 10 people a month trying the same technique that hasn't been adequately covered up. Besides Al Qeada, we have homegrown terrorist groups like Timothy McVeigh, lots of disturbed people and quite a few kids who have a strong desire to kill as many people as possible at their school. If we go lax or leave openings in our air security, you can bet that with the media coverage and the crazies and terrorists out there that we'll be having dozens of attempts at downing a plane. Once a year, we can probably live with although we've been very lucky so far. If 10 people a month try, probably 3 or so will succeed, if so- goodbye economy and America as you know it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    This is the TSA, nobody walked up to an Exec and said "hey, here's some cash let's do full body scanners next, k?".
    Probably not. There MOST LIKELY was a relationship between politicians and the corporation (lobbyists) which began with some campaign contribution. (Also see the revolving door of politics and big business.) The exec then goes up to the newly elected officials and says "remember that sizable contribution to your campaign? Well, here's something you can do in return."

    Thanks for your... best guess though?
    My best guess was closer to the truth than yours so your welome.

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    I just completed another terrorist training session here in Vegas (casino security). The truly serious ‘people in the know’ say it’s not if, but when.

    The big question is: how?

    It might not be from the air at all.

    We saw demonstrations of explosive compounds so powerful a lump half the size of a Tootsie Roll will do the job. In some countries, these compounds have been found secreted in ‘body cavities’ of terrorists already (don’t laugh, we’ve seen cash and stolen credit cards from hookers secreted in ‘cavities’).

    Anything secreted in such a cavity can be detected by X-ray, but not by current scanners. Honest cavity searches would be the only other alternative.

    Studying a large bomb detonation in a European city from a short time ago, it was learned if an IED were detonated in the proper location, the shockwaves would bounce down a street of skyscrapers, going from building to building, in a zigzag pattern if you will.

    The skyscrapers create a tunnel affect, much like a tanker explosion in a tunnel or the charcoal briquette canister that uses a single piece of newspaper to create a furnace. Theoretically, a truck bomb detonated near the MGM (Tropicana and The Strip) could wreak havoc as far away as the Wynn, with the shockwave and furnace tunneling (bouncing) down LV Blvd. (The Strip) at several hundred miles per hour.

    Of course, none of this addresses the individual ‘suicide’ bomber. This terrorist can strike anywhere, anytime: the crowd in Times Square on New Years Eve, a capacity crowd at a movie premiere in Ames, Iowa, a high school football game in Grants, New Mexico or a rodeo in Paris, Texas.

    Fondling 5 and 6 year-old children will prevent none of this. While the entire country is diverted to focusing on the TSA and planes, the serious terrorists have long moved on to other plans and methods (the shoe and underwear bombers were amateurs at best).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christany View Post
    There aren't enough specifics yet about the particular radius of detection, but I gather it would be able to detect explosive materials and toxic materials inserted into the human body as well, if within given radius. Does that seem plausible?

    Depend upon construction and the transmission qualities of the material.

    If an explosive was packaged in a non-transmitting medium ( a material that doesn't leak even particulate atoms) then was and placed into another package of the same medium. This would render a "sniffer" organic or in organic near useless.

    When working at Gates as an MP during heightened alerts we would rarely be issued wipes that would change color we exposed to common explosives compounds. These would change color when contacted, thus we would wipe the occupants hands, door knob, hoods, hubcaps, and trunk. While going over the car with mirrors and bomb dogs. The driver was required to open all doors, compartments, and bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    in light of the threads posted about the TSA patdowns, i felt starting a thread on how likely you are to be killed by terrorists is relevant.
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