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    So it's winter time, no tanning for me, so this is the perfect opportunity to do some crazy shit to my face. I had a series of micro peels done a couple years ago (diamond microdermabrasion followed immediately by an 11% lactic acid peel) The results were nice, however the following summer I didn't wear sunscreen ONE DAY, and I woke up with what looked like white rings around my eyes. Everywhere she had done the micro peel was red and mottled, discolored. Ever since then I have noticed that if I go out into the sun, these discolorations become much more pronounced. The only conclusion I can come to (from what I've researched on my own) is that it's sun damage that was deep and was brought out and up the surface with the micro peels. Every where she DIDN'T do the micro peel (around my eyes, neck) is not red and discolored, only the treated skin, so it definitely looks weird. The only thing that has completely hidden this was the Melanotan II, with made my complexion all uniformly tan and dark, hiding the redness and mottled areas. However, it's winter now, so I want to let my tan fade, and now I am noticing the discolorations again.


    I am using .1% Retin A about 5-6 nights a week, I started using it every 2 or 3 days until I built up my tolerance. I did go overboard last week and woke up with raw, red skin, so I slicked on the Aquaphor and Nivea for a couple of days to heal, and now I'm back on my schedule. I don't know if it was the Aquaphor or Nivea face cream that did it, but I broke out from the mineral oils I think, so now I have slightly red inflamed skin with random acne. Very frustrating, but from what I've read I will reap the rewards if I'm patient.

    In the mornings and evenings, I am cleansing with Philosophy Purity with a face brush to exfoliate (I LOVE this! highly recommended, removes every trace of eye makeup, is all natural, and using essential oils to cleanse, very gentle and doesn't dry or irritate at all!) then I use Bare Escentuals Rare Minerals moisturizer in the morning with a couple drops of pure organic Argan oil mixed in all over my face. I then use my Clarisonic Opal around my eyes, one minute on each side, followed by La Roche Posay Aquathelios SPF 60 lightly applied all over my entire face. I really want to order some biofermented sea kelp (the active ingredient in La Mer products) or copper peptides, or even a Vitamin C serum in conjunction with the Retin A at nights, but I'm not sure which..... if anybody has experience with these, please let me know your thoughts!

    I have never had a problem with acne, but I am really trying to get my skin to perfection, so I want to erase every pore and fine line. I also have slight milia under my eyes and I want those gone! So far the Retin A is working. Besides the redness, dryness, and peeling, I feel my new skin emerging, and it's pore free and so much nicer. I just want to fast forward three months (that's how long I plan on maintaining my regimen) to see how I look. I want to get to the point where I don't need foundation.

    I have been putting the Retin A on my eyelids and under my eyes as well. (I've heard mixed reviews on doing this, and I'm not sure what to believe) My eyelids are beginning to become too fleshy and slightly hooded, and when I apply eyeshadow, I notice that the skin is more loose and just kind of goes where I drag it, and doesn't snap back like it used to. Well, the Retin A seemed to be making my eyelids much worse, so I stopped putting it there, however I do like the results from putting it under my eyes. I notice the milia are gone now, and the under eye area is much firmer. I do need to do something to shrink back that skin on my eyelids and tighten it up though.... so if anybody has any advice with that, I would appreciate it!
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    Without firsthand knowledge of your exact skin type, I really can't give an honest critique, except to say that if you are doing all those things everyday to your skin, you are doing more harm than help.

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    it sounds expensive and excessive.

    One interesting thing I recently discovered is that my skin does best when left alone--- since I have my cast on from my nose job I can't wash my face properly- I've been wiping it down with wipes that have tea tree oil on them if it looks greasy, and putting coconut oil on where it looks dry-- and it is perfectly clear!

    after I get my cast off I'm going to continue to leave it alone, I'll just wash it with water and a tiny amount of the cleanser I have that my skin likes (juice beauty) and do nothing else.... it's amazing it's seriously clearing up and looks pretty good for not being properly washed for 5 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniella_maria View Post
    Without firsthand knowledge of your exact skin type, I really can't give an honest critique, except to say that if you are doing all those things everyday to your skin, you are doing more harm than help.
    How am I doing harm? Too much products and chemicals?
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    ^that's what I think--- tooo many chemicals. If you're going to do an intensive regimen like that-- use natural products-- tea trea oil, rosehip seed oil, jojoba oil, coconut oil, clay masks, baking soda, avocado, etc... otherwise your skin will probably just end up inflamed and try to purge all the chemicals out.

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    How am I doing harm? Too much products and chemicals?
    Yes. All of that daily is way to much & will actually make your skin look older eventually. All of that every day will cause trauma to your face & eye area.

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    Thats def excessive. Im telling u drinking boatloads of water eliminates the need for extreme measures to be carried out on my facial skin. Sometimes messing w your face too much causes breakouts. Give ur skin a break and take a much milder approach at skincare.

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    Is it really that excessive though? Have you guys seen how hardcore the Obagi system is? And it yields dramatic results.... mine isn't near how rough Obagi is....
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    I think the skin care industry exists to sell us stuff. In the West, there's a lot of emphasis on exfoliation whereas in the East dead skin cells are view as a protective layer against sun & pollution.

    I think your eye pouffiness may be due to some nutrition issue or too much salt. Be gentle and don't do too much to your skin at a time. The sun and mechanical damage is the cost of stripping away too much.

    If it looks alright, then it's okay but I worry that you see damage and irritation too regularly.

    Hugs & luck .. oh and it couldn't hurt to talk to a dermatologist, too, hon.
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    Be really careful about overdoing anything--washing, peels, etc. When you skin is irritated, even if it's irritated by 'helpful' things, this will cause acne.

    Right now I only wash my face once a day with a mild salicylic acid wash from Neutrogena, or an exfoliating wash, and I occasionally do the OCM thing. With Spironolactone (is this an option for you JD?), nightly applications of Benzoyl Peroxide (low %, applied to T-Zone only) and monthly Salicylic (20%) 'peels', my face is clear. Drinking lots of water/tea and exercising is also crucial, of course. Exercise changes how your body processes insulin, which helps avoid insulin spikes (that are related to acne).

    If I overwash or overtreat, my face breaks out.

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    If ur worried about it I would just stick to getting a facial once a month, and then just minimal upkeep in between. I've tried using alot of different products but like everyone said it usually just breaks me out, but it's important to find whatever works for you! What works for everyone here might be different so I def suggest getting a facial at a really nice salon and have them evaluate your skin and tell you what you need or even a dermatologist would be better.

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    Be really careful about overdoing anything--washing, peels, etc. When you skin is irritated, even if it's irritated by 'helpful' things, this will cause acne.

    Right now I only wash my face once a day with a mild salicylic acid wash from Neutrogena, or an exfoliating wash, and I occasionally do the OCM thing. With Spironolactone (is this an option for you JD?), nightly applications of Benzoyl Peroxide (low %, applied to T-Zone only) and monthly Salicylic (20%) 'peels', my face is clear. Drinking lots of water/tea and exercising is also crucial, of course. Exercise changes how your body processes insulin, which helps avoid insulin spikes (that are related to acne).

    If I overwash or overtreat, my face breaks out.
    I have never had a problem with acne, and since I posted this, that little bit of acne is already gone. I could smear Crisco all over my face and still never break out, so it's weird that this even happened in the first place.

    Many people say to continue using the Retin A through the peeling/red/irritated phase, just suck it up and keep going and eventually it will stop, but I don't agree. If I feel like my skin is getting irritated, I lay off for a few days.... Retin A is one of the only things scientifically proven 100% to erase fine lines and any signs of aging for that matter.

    For those who didn't know, Retin A is basically a topical synthetic vitamin A. As we get older, new skin cells in the deeper layers of skin don't form as fast, so they don't push through to the top layer (epidermis), this causes the layer of old cells on the uppermost layer of the epidermis (stratum corneum) to build up and become thicker and coarser (dullness). As we age, the stratum corneum grows thicker and thicker, as the dermis gets thinner and thinner due to the the new cells slowing down activity. Sun exposure stimulates melanocytes in the deeper layers of the skin (dermis) and this causes sun spots, freckles, pigmentation that can come out later, and UV exposure also breaks down collagen, which gives skin it's structural integrity.

    So, what Retin A does is penetrate deep into the dermis. It then stimulates cell activity and new cells to form, which begin to push through the epidermis, and to the stratum corneum, which sloughs off the dead skin. So essentially, Retin A exfoliates your skin from within, unlike topical physical or chemical exfoliants. Within two weeks, the stratum corneum is much thinner, and the dermis is up to 2x as thick. The texture and smoothness of skin is the first improvement I notice. My skin is really really soft and feels "new". The Retin A also stimulates new collagen fibers to form, and new blood vessels within the dermis, so you continue to see tighter, firmer, more flushed or glowing smoother skin the longer you use it. Since it causes your skin to regenerate more quickly and new skin cells to slough off the stratum corneum, you no longer have clogged pores, so eventually your pores will shrink down to invisible. The only thing I think it doesn't help are the really deep creases, which thank God I don't have.

    Anyways, I've used Retin A since high school and I have always loved it. I am basically just using a mild face wash and face brush (occasionally) and moisturizer with argan oil, and SPF during the day, so I don't see how this is too much..... I feel like the constant scrubs and peels with acids is overkill, and I made the mistake of doing that last year.
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    I think the skin care industry exists to sell us stuff. In the West, there's a lot of emphasis on exfoliation whereas in the East dead skin cells are view as a protective layer against sun & pollution.

    I think your eye pouffiness may be due to some nutrition issue or too much salt. Be gentle and don't do too much to your skin at a time. The sun and mechanical damage is the cost of stripping away too much.

    If it looks alright, then it's okay but I worry that you see damage and irritation too regularly.

    Hugs & luck .. oh and it couldn't hurt to talk to a dermatologist, too, hon.
    Everyone in my family has these type of eyelids.... I think maybe I should cut back on the sodium that would probably help. My diet and nutrition is pretty much impeccable, I don't think I could improve on that any more. I am considering at this point just getting Thermage or something, but I'm not very convinced that any cream can shrink back that eyelid skin, and it's nowhere near bad enough for a bleph. If anyone has had this problem and knows a good solution please let me know!!!!
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    I put on sunblock still and wash my face with proactiv... Maybe I should step up my game?
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    My dermatologist said one of the reasons for getting milia around the eyes is using too much product and clogging up the eye area (skin is a lot thinner and more sensitive around them)

    If the retin a is causing problems you could just try using a glycolic 10% cream instead?

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    I think you are doing fine. I think its a lot to do-but not too much.

    I would be pretty pissed about the results of the peel though. Was this at a dermatologist's office?

    You should keep the Retin A away from the eyelids I think. It is not meant for that area and I am sure your eyes will be back to normal if you give it a week or two.

    Good luck.

    Also, the best way to stop wearing foundation is to just start by not wearing it. I swear, every foundation I have worn makes my skin worse no matter what. My skin has never looked better after throwing it in the trash. I use just a light dusting of powder now.

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    I think it is excessive with the products. Your want to perfect your skin is not.

    All natural products/methods are the way to go. I fully recommend using sunscreen, but buying products that contain sea kelp, vitamins and minerals is kind of ludacris when you can simply make your own organic product containing the same ingredients and way less fillers.

    I would try the oil cleansing method, with water washing JD. It sounds counterproductive but if you do your research it will begin to make sense and the results are astounding. NO breakouts and NO dryness!

    All you need to do the oil cleansing method is castor oil as well as extra virgin olive oil (or your oil of choice) OIL breaks down other oils in skin, the castor oil will break down your natural oil; and cleanse, and the evoo will moisturize.

    If needed you can use more evoo after cleansing to moisturize. I would recommend this at night for your face, and then use your appropriate eye cream on your eyes.

    In the am, water wash only. Use evoo again to moisturize. Top off with your favorite spf cream! When I water wash I use a clean washcloth every morning, and do not resuse it! I also use a clean towel every day to pat dry...Usually a cotton tshirt cut up into tinier pieces!

    The oil cleansing method will eventually reduce the amount of oil your skin produces because you are no longer stripping the skin of its natural oils, and overdrying. Check it out on google for more info!

    There are many more all natural recipies and they are right at your fingertips!!! Search the net and u will be amazed. And this ain't psuedo hippie bs either, these are proven facts. Beauty companies and products all use these natural ingredients: vitamins, minerals, oils, etc, (just in smaller increments with more fillers) to promote their products. Long before the product people were using the SAME ingredients and got results!

    I know how particular you are with your diet JD! All these products will do more harm then good, similar to eating processed foods. I know it is hard to say goodbye to product, but try here and there. YOU will see results going all natural and organic. There are so many wonderful beauty recipies online. You clearly take time with your beauty routine, so take the extra 5 mins to mix up a batch of your own skincare! You will love it!!!!

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    ^P.S. the oil cleansing method will also remove make up and reduce pores, for fine lines I wuold continue using retinol. There are many homemade recipies out there for erasing fine lines as well. DO check em out!

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    JD youve seen my skin and know my age, I have almost zero wrinkles and dont do botox and only get one vile of restalynne every 7-8 months. I started doing a similar regiem to yours at around 30. I did obagi with retin a and also did avage ( a gentler version of retin a) with 30% md forte and my skin was flawless and I didnt start wearing sunblock until I turned 30. I highly reccomend sunblock and for the eye puffiness get some ipl treatmens. I need to start back again with this regiem besides using high end products I havent used retin a or had an ipl in like 6 years.

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    Is it really that excessive though?
    Excessive is different for everyone I think.
    If I do more than wash my face ONCE a day and use a moisturizer I have irritation, hives and acne.
    If my SO doesn't put in as much effort as you... his face is a mess.


    Actually - I've been curious about Retin A. The LA pollution seems to be raping my formerly perfect skin... it's got a bit of texture to it now where it used to be completley smooth. Just worried about how harsh it is?
    I can't even use most facial moisturizers without getting hives or super irritated skin...
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    ^For someone with sensitive skin, Retin-A can be very harsh. I know this from personal experience. It may prove helpful in the long-run, but from what you're saying, I'm guessing it would definitely irritate your skin.

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    I think it is excessive with the products. Your want to perfect your skin is not.

    All natural products/methods are the way to go. I fully recommend using sunscreen, but buying products that contain sea kelp, vitamins and minerals is kind of ludacris when you can simply make your own organic product containing the same ingredients and way less fillers.

    I would try the oil cleansing method, with water washing JD. It sounds counterproductive but if you do your research it will begin to make sense and the results are astounding. NO breakouts and NO dryness!

    All you need to do the oil cleansing method is castor oil as well as extra virgin olive oil (or your oil of choice) OIL breaks down other oils in skin, the castor oil will break down your natural oil; and cleanse, and the evoo will moisturize.

    If needed you can use more evoo after cleansing to moisturize. I would recommend this at night for your face, and then use your appropriate eye cream on your eyes.

    In the am, water wash only. Use evoo again to moisturize. Top off with your favorite spf cream! When I water wash I use a clean washcloth every morning, and do not resuse it! I also use a clean towel every day to pat dry...Usually a cotton tshirt cut up into tinier pieces!

    The oil cleansing method will eventually reduce the amount of oil your skin produces because you are no longer stripping the skin of its natural oils, and overdrying. Check it out on google for more info!

    There are many more all natural recipies and they are right at your fingertips!!! Search the net and u will be amazed. And this ain't psuedo hippie bs either, these are proven facts. Beauty companies and products all use these natural ingredients: vitamins, minerals, oils, etc, (just in smaller increments with more fillers) to promote their products. Long before the product people were using the SAME ingredients and got results!

    I know how particular you are with your diet JD! All these products will do more harm then good, similar to eating processed foods. I know it is hard to say goodbye to product, but try here and there. YOU will see results going all natural and organic. There are so many wonderful beauty recipies online. You clearly take time with your beauty routine, so take the extra 5 mins to mix up a batch of your own skincare! You will love it!!!!
    I already have a filter in my shower and use only paraben free/SLS free products, mostly organic ingredients. I meant that I wanted to order some bio fermented sea kelp or copper peptides, from alldaychemist.com and mix them myself. I am not into paying for hyped up marketing, I buy products that is scientifically proven to give results with enough concentrations of active ingredients.

    There's no way I could wash my face with just water, I've tried, and it seems to leave the texture of my skin..... I won't say rough, but not as smooth and clear as when I use a cleanser (soap free).
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    I just wanted to second the oil wash! I use jojoba as my moisturizer, makeup remover, & soap and my skin absolutely adores it.

    .....

    May I ask how you got ahold of Retin-A at such a young age? My dermatologist is playing coy with me and I unfortunately he knows I'm acne free so I can't do the "someone let me borrow a tube & my acne cleared up" lie. Would it be advise that I just find another derm and throw that one at him?

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    I just wanted to second the oil wash! I use jojoba as my moisturizer, makeup remover, & soap and my skin absolutely adores it.

    .....

    May I ask how you got ahold of Retin-A at such a young age? My dermatologist is playing coy with me and I unfortunately he knows I'm acne free so I can't do the "someone let me borrow a tube & my acne cleared up" lie. Would it be advise that I just find another derm and throw that one at him?
    The lady who does my Botox/Restylane wrote me a script for it. She is in her fifties and looks RIDICULOUSLY young. She uses it every night, just a tiny bit. This is her: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/...e8f507fdb4.jpg

    She also tells met that CE-Ferulic is amazing for your skin, but I haven't splurged on that one yet. She's the one who told me about Eye Believe serum, which works miracles on eyes and lips, love that stuff.

    And her again on video: http://www.the33tv.com/news/kdaf-sex...,5008269.story

    She is the best to go to to get your lips done, she's uses techniques that I've never seen someone take the time to do, and I've tried other PS's. She's been doing my lips since I was 19, I'm 26 now.

    Anyways, yeah, I would ditch the derm, he sounds ultra conservative, and go with maybe a woman dermatologist...... Retin A isn't bad to use at a young age, I was prescribed it when I was in high school! I don't know why he won't write you a script for it.
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    Default Re: Winter Skin Regimen, Critique Me

    I'm in my thirties and I have combination skin that can get sensitive if I'm not careful. I use Retin-A every other day or so and I don't get any irritation at all, just some light peeling from time to time. I'm a huge fan of the stuff - it tackles so much, from discoloration to acne to lines. But remember that Retin-A is a hardcore exfoliant. With that in mind, I'd pull back on your other exfoliating steps, including the facial brush. And I definitely wouldn't use it on the eyelids. It causes some mild inflammation, which usually isn't noticeable on your face, but the skin around the eyes is so sensitive that it's probably puffing them up. (Plus, it's a little risky getting it so close to your eyes.)

    So I'd just recommend keeping up the Retin-A but taking a more mild approach with your day-to-day routine. I like Philosophy's cleanser, but I'd ditch the brush and maybe consider an oil cleanser instead, and I'd avoid exfoliants whenever possible. Since your skin's shedding at a faster rate, it's going to be drier and the new skin is going to be sensitive. And if you aggravate that new skin, you'll get that inflammatory blowback: redness, acne, irritation.

    Then I'd use a basic night cream/day cream/eye cream, and keep it fairly consistent. I've been using Kinerase, but Ole Henriksen is also really great. Henriksen might be irritating if your skin's a little jumpy from the Retin-A. Kinerase is more mild. But I'd just go with whatever you like. So you have the Retin-A and a good face cream/eye cream, and ideally a mild cleansing routine.

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