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    I NEVER mind this, as a matter of fact I love it because it shows whoever I've been talking to for the whol 10-15 mins of trying to get a dance out of them that it's my job and I do need to make some money or I have to move on, generally I will go do the dance with the guy who came up and when I go back to the one guy I was talking to later on he normally very quickly asks for a dance as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Kylea, I agree with you on most things but you are off in left field on this one. First off, a guy stepping in trying to to fucko another guy especially considering the the atmosphere is an idiot. yoda kind of chuckled this off (to keep the peace I imagine). So you are saying that a man like yoda (and others of us by extension) who has spent tens of thousands over time in strip clubs must immediately get to the chase for fear that some kid living in his mothers basement with his $100 once a year trip to the club might steal you away?

    I know you are a professional and all that but if it gets to the point where a well heeled customer cannot enjoy 10-15 minutes of chat and flirtations before emptying his bankroll...well that is sad.

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    The other guy isn't trying to fucko the customer the dancer is with. He just wants to make his wish for a dance known. He can do that politely and unobtrusively and the dancer doesn't have to get up and leave right away. He has to jump in some time and he may not have time after she finishes with him and before she approaches the next guy. If he waits, five other guys could somehow book dances ahead of him.

    Maybe it's different for customers who regularly spend big in the club. Still, your logic assumes the customer is going to buy a dance from this dancer. The 15 minutes is only worthwhile if he does. If he doesn't, then it's wasted.

    For all we know business may not be good for her for whatever reason and you've just taken time from her she could have spent hustling other customers and taken away a sale with the guy who wanted to ask for one while she was with you. If she spends 15 minutes on ten other regular big spenders in the club that night and gets mostly "no's", she's wasting hours of time on talking.

    Does it really take that long just for her to "flirt" enough with you to get you in the mood? If you just like a chat, can't you just do that during the one or two hour LD you buy from her?

    Since you and yoda seem to be talking mostly about dancers you've already bought LDs from on a number of previous visits, maybe ATFs, I don't see why you need 15 minutes to close a deal. You already know what you are getting. It's not like "Groundhog Day".

    As for the crack about the kid living in his basement, there is a big middle ground between customers who regularly spend three hours at a time in VIP and those who visit a SC once a year and spend $100. Some of us merely can't justify regularly spending that much money on strippers, regardless of the size of our incomes.

    I recall a book on sales saying that smaller purchases can be the largest part of a salesman's income because larger purchases are far less frequent. There must be many more small spenders than big spenders in SCs and there are probably not enough big spenders to go around so that every stripper in the club is permanently in VIP each night.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    Since you and yoda seem to be talking mostly about dancers you've already bought LDs from on a number of previous visits, maybe ATFs, I don't see why you need 15 minutes to close a deal. You already know what you are getting. It's not like "Groundhog Day".
    Actually I was specifically talking about dealing with a new dancer, not a regular of mine. It's an entirely different story with my favs. I actually expect them to go sell dances while I am hanging out with them. If we are going to spend two or three hours together-which is the norm-I fully expect them to explore other options as they present themselves. They do it however by excusing themselves and going off to work the guy. Guys don't come over to us and interrupt.

    Look, no one ever said that sales was an easy job. You have to have an approach but you also have to know your customer. Somehow folks are missing the point that it's about a bit more than simply "closing the deal". I'm simply not interested in being rushed. I'm not going to waste a dancer's time and I'm not going to bend her ear for half an hour and then buy one dance. If we are not clicking I'm also not going to let her hang around for more than a few minutes. I like what I like. I'm not really interested in going to a club and spending a few hundred bucks just to simply get dances. Fortunately I don't seem to have any trouble finding what I like.
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    The less invasive way to go about this is to have your waitress tell the message to your girl of choice. Be sure to tip the waitress for this! This is pretty common practice, in my experience. I always appreciate the news. One customer interrupting another can come off a bit confrontational, not such a good thing in a testosterone and alcohol fueled environment.

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    I use to love when that would happen.
    Then the guy I was originally talking to would usually get jealous and end up getting dances too afterwards.
    A total win situation.

    Or I'd be talking to a guy and the bartender would ask what I wanted to drink saying it was from the guy across the bar. That would pretty much always make me get up to go over and thank the guy without the guy having to "interrupt" a conversation.

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    I had another customer barge into my conversation with a fav yesterday within the first 60 seconds of her sitting down at my table. I understand why a dancer would like to be interrupted on a slow business day, but don't recommend a customer determining the working reality of a club when he's jonesing for a dance from someone. I recommend "Lacy Luck's" suggestion of using a waitress as a go between, which allows the dancer to determine her working reality.

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    This is the way you should handle it if you want to spend time with me. If Im with one of my regulars I dont want to have some guy randomly interupt us.

    In fact the only time other than that I wont go off on you is if you approach me while Im on stage and doing my 3rd song. Between that time and when Im back with my regular or other customer is the best time to ask politely but dont assume Ill just step away from who Im already with.

    Every girl is different I suppose though...

    Quote Originally Posted by Lacy Luck View Post
    The less invasive way to go about this is to have your waitress tell the message to your girl of choice. Be sure to tip the waitress for this! This is pretty common practice, in my experience. I always appreciate the news. One customer interrupting another can come off a bit confrontational, not such a good thing in a testosterone and alcohol fueled environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    LOL, yeah, I knew that when I posted it. Lets be clear however. I am not a time waster. The ball is however in the dancer's court when it comes to this sort of thing. If I invited her to sit down I'm already interested, all she has to do is close the deal. If she invites herself to sit down it's on her to pique my interest and do the asking. In other words, make the sale. If the lady has no game and doesn't know when to to either ask or leave that's not really my problem. Yes, there are guys who will bend your ear all night, stall when you ask and get all whiny when you try to extricate yourself from their PL grasp. I understand all that.
    I'm sure you know this by now, but I'm pretty slick. I don't stall on my sales & I always find a way to ask. See my statement again.

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    Kylea, I agree with you on most things but you are off in left field on this one. First off, a guy stepping in trying to to fucko another guy especially considering the the atmosphere is an idiot. yoda kind of chuckled this off (to keep the peace I imagine). So you are saying that a man like yoda (and others of us by extension) who has spent tens of thousands over time in strip clubs must immediately get to the chase for fear that some kid living in his mothers basement with his $100 once a year trip to the club might steal you away?

    I know you are a professional and all that but if it gets to the point where a well heeled customer cannot enjoy 10-15 minutes of chat and flirtations before emptying his bankroll...well that is sad.

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    If you come into the club I don't know you from anyone else, therefore I don't know how much you've spent at clubs in the past. There's no membership card for high rollers who spend in strip clubs to identify themselves - & the closest thing to that would be a black AMEX card, which still doesn't guarantee he'll spend at the club. If there were such an identifiable card, trust me, I'd be on you like white on rice. It doesn't exist though, therefore I have no way of knowing.

    While I do love talking to customers, if I talked to each one of them for 10 - 15 minutes I would lose out on a lot of money, particularly in clubs that don't offer any sort of VIP/Champagne room. AGAIN, when I say "close out the conversation" that doesn't mean that I say "Hey, I've got to go do this dance. Enjoy your drink", nor do I say "Well, I need to go do this dance... unless you want to take me back" - both of those would be tacky. I've already told the second customer that he needs to wait until I'm finished with my first customer, I put no time restriction on how long the second customer needs to wait. I will operate on the exact same time & conversation schedule that I normally do, but I will ask the customer again if he'd like to go for a dance, even if I've already asked. If he says no, but seems cordial, I usually tell him that I'm going to give him a chance to talk to some of the other ladies & I will come check back in on him later. That's an easy way of saying "It seems like you are still window shopping, so I'm going to let you look around, & then I'll come talk to you again to see if you are ready to buy".


    You both need to re-read what I wrote the first time though. To re-iterate:

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    Closing a conversation with a customer in a way that allows the dancer to return is pretty much an art of it's own, & not something the customer is likely to notice. Generally if I am talking to customer A & customer B comes over I will say "I'm speaking to this gentlemen right here, but as soon as I am finished I will come visit with you". It lets customer A know that he is still my first priority, at which point I can continue my sales pitch or close the conversation gracefully. However, if I make another sales pitch & customer A doesn't accept my offer, he should realize it's business & expect that I would move along in a timely manner to customer B.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    You both need to re-read what I wrote the first time though. To re-iterate:
    Honestly Kylea I could re-read it ten times (which I'm not going to) and it would not change anything that I posted. My comments on this thread have been directed towards responding to the OP's post and the prevailing attitude of the dancer's responses to it as well. I am not directing my statements towards you, or any other dancer, in particular.
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    ^^^ Your "Let's be clear" response seemed to be directed at me.
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    Kylea you nailed it in this post!


    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    I'm sure you know this by now, but I'm pretty slick. I don't stall on my sales & I always find a way to ask. See my statement again.



    If you come into the club I don't know you from anyone else, therefore I don't know how much you've spent at clubs in the past. There's no membership card for high rollers who spend in strip clubs to identify themselves - & the closest thing to that would be a black AMEX card, which still doesn't guarantee he'll spend at the club. If there were such an identifiable card, trust me, I'd be on you like white on rice. It doesn't exist though, therefore I have no way of knowing.

    Kylea I wish theyd have a system like the casinos do for whales and high rollers. If the guy comes in they could tell a hostess or someone.



    While I do love talking to customers, if I talked to each one of them for 10 - 15 minutes I would lose out on a lot of money, particularly in clubs that don't offer any sort of VIP/Champagne room. AGAIN, when I say "close out the conversation" that doesn't mean that I say "Hey, I've got to go do this dance. Enjoy your drink", nor do I say "Well, I need to go do this dance... unless you want to take me back" - both of those would be tacky. I've already told the second customer that he needs to wait until I'm finished with my first customer, I put no time restriction on how long the second customer needs to wait. I will operate on the exact same time & conversation schedule that I normally do, but I will ask the customer again if he'd like to go for a dance, even if I've already asked. If he says no, but seems cordial, I usually tell him that I'm going to give him a chance to talk to some of the other ladies & I will come check back in on him later. That's an easy way of saying "It seems like you are still window shopping, so I'm going to let you look around, & then I'll come talk to you again to see if you are ready to buy".

    Exactly!


    You both need to re-read what I wrote the first time though. To re-iterate:

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    Kylea I wish theyd have a system like the casinos do for whales and high rollers. If the guy comes in they could tell a hostess or someone.
    I know, & unfortunately it can cause some sticky situations! Previous spending habits don't always ASSURE that a customer will spend, but they can give you an idea of how much a person may spend if they do spend.

    For example, I met a guy in one city who I knew had a lot of money... that would be an understatement actually. My friend had him as a regular the year before, so I already had an idea of his spending habits. I did a few dances with him. His spending habits were the same on me as they were on my friend the previous year... who is knock out gorgeous & does adult videos. By spending the same amount, which was a few hundred but not a lot, I had an idea of what he would spend... or so I thought. He knew I was coming to his home town soon to perform. After the dances he said when I came to town that he wanted to "snuggle"... I knew exactly what that meant. Basically he was saying "this is what I'm willing to spend in the club, regardless of the girl. If you want more then I want more outside the club". In a way by saying that he set himself up.

    When I went to the second club & ran into him again the dancers were SWARMING he & his associates. They pulled me over to the group not recognizing who I was. The main guy hit on me, then disrespected me. Basically he asked the another dancer he met there the year before what she wanted, she said champagne but that they wouldn't split the dancer credit between her & I (credit would just go to her), to which he responded "I don't care, as long as she drinks". That was another way of telling me he was cheap, & just expected me to hang out drinking with them. Instead of doing so I started hitting his boys up for dances & taking them back one-by-one, with him footing the bill. Before he knew it I'd done dances for all of his guys, pulled him back for dances... he spent the same amount as before. Suddenly he realized who I was & mentioned that he still wanted to "snuggle" as we headed back to the bar, to which I just said "I bet you would like that". Once back at the bar I excused myself & went back to working the rest of the room.

    At the end of the night all the girls who were schmoozing that group were complaining about not making any money off of them. They knew the guys had money, but they didn't know how to ACCESS it, nor how much the men would spend. Funny enough, while I was counting my money the dancer who had champagne with the customer, but was also enraged about not making any significant money, had her phone ring... it was the customer calling her about "snuggling". She thought she was the only one he asked... which amused me, but I managed to keep a straight face.

    I had an advantage by not only knowing how to access the money, but by knowing when they were "maxed out". Part of this had to do with the person's spending habits staying the same between different dancers, & different years... which I knew by asking my other friend. I often find customers that my friends know or have connections to, & I use those connections similar to the "old boys network". Plus, by the other dancers keeping that group busy they left the rest of the club open for me to work... so I did really well that night.

    For dancers who haven't been in the industry that long, don't have good connections, or they simply want to be able to know who the whales might be faster - find a staff member you trust. Once you locate your club staff member, tip them above & beyond what you normally would to have them clue you into who the big spenders are, but also know when it's time to move on if you aren't accessing the money within a reasonable amount of time. If you stay too long you will only frustrate yourself & not see the value in having the staff help you by pointing the whales out to you. It's kind of like "Where's Waldo" - while there can be multiple whales in the room, not all of them are the whale you are looking... the one that wants to spend.
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    In the clubs I go to, if a dancer were talking with me and word came that another customer wanted a LD with her, she would promptly go to him, at most after a few parting hustle attempts on me. Of course she would politely excuse herself and tell me she will return to talk to me later and that if I decide I want an LD with her later to let her know. But it would be fairly prompt. There would be no waiting until she is "finished" talking to me. Nothing about that seems rude to me. It makes perfect sense. If she waits five more minutes the customer could change his mind, be called away from the club, be approached by another dancer, choose to take another dancer instead, see a dancer on stage he likes more or just get pissed off waiting etc.

    As for me, there will probably be another dancer along pretty soon to talk to (hustle) me. Not that I get a lot out of it. The girl who was called away will probably be back too. I don't see a problem. I like a stripper to talk me into it as much as anyone, because it gives me an idea of how enjoyable she'll make the LD. But it doesn't have to take more than five minutes.
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    As a customer, if I walk into a club and see a dancer I know chatting with another custie, I will approach her and let her know that I'm here if she wants to say hi. Otherwise, in a big, dark club, she might not find me. I tell her where I am, and if she wants to come over and get dances, I'll be waiting. So far this has worked well, and only one girl I can think of wouldn't ever stop by.

    If she is doing a dance in an open layout type club, I might wave and smile while she is on the lap grinding. And not looking at the custy. That tends to bring out a smile.

    If she is in a VIP area, I won't approach. This is all for strippers I know. If I see a super hot dancer and I don't know her, I'll wait until she leaves the table. Not going to chase strippers around the bar.

    In my dancing experience, interruptions happened many time. Some were welcome, some where not. After all, if I'm chatting with a time waster or just trying to look busy, guaranteed dances are a great reprieve.

    And whilst I've had regulars interrupt me to announce they had arrived and wanted dances, I can only think of maybe 2 times that they got pissed having to wait for me while I made money working the guy I was already with. Then again, the few regs I kept were pretty cool.

    As a salesperson, you just have to learn how to gauge your opportunity cost. And its still a gamble. I remember fucking up ROYALLY when I had these 2 rad lesbians fighting for me to stay with them in VIP, but I left to do a bachelor party because there was a minimum of money guarantee. Well, guess who got ripped off? I still kick myself over that.

    Then again, in my sales job now, I was closing a deal over the phone. Had a conference call with this lady, and the close was running late. This close was GUARANTEED good money. She was calling and emailing me. I didn't want to lose the sale so I emailed her back with my status and promised to call in 10. I did call and she spent another 10 minutes bitching me out for being unprofessional and wasting her time. So I offered to refer her to my co-worker.

    Lady accepted, had the conference call with my co-worker, an was totally unqualified to become a customer. See, my instinct there was right on. But it can still be a gamble.

    So, point of all this...if you see a dancer you like, don't be afraid to approach her or send the waitress. But don't get pissy if she doesn't come over because she has evaluated her cost:benefit and decided someone else was more viable for more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    .......I remember fucking up ROYALLY when I had these 2 rad lesbians fighting for me to stay with them in VIP, but I left to do a bachelor party because there was a minimum of money guarantee. Well, guess who got ripped off? I still kick myself over that.


    Choosing a bachelor party over some cool lesbians?
    *Sigh*
    We as a collective group are SOOOO disappointed in you.

    I think you owe us one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie2010 View Post
    When you are at the bar talking to some dude for 10-15 minutes doing nothing and im sitting there alone waiting for a dance can i just come up, interupt you guys, and ask for some VIP Dances?? or is that considered rude, or would you not mind making some money? Any advice is appreciated thanks..
    I don't know any dancer that would mind that, esp if you're going to take her to VIP. I love a customer who knows what he wants, picks and no bullshitting around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    Choosing a bachelor party over some cool lesbians?
    *Sigh*
    We as a collective group are SOOOO disappointed in you.

    I think you owe us one.
    I will personally avail myself to you in an effort to make it right.
    I'll take a cool lesbian custy any day, esp over bachelors. Fuck, I love em. I hate bachelors with a passion. They all act like they're 12 yrs old. Ehh.

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    ^^^They are always drunk off their asses, so are their friends, and yeah the entire party always seems to regress to age 12. It might mean revenue for the club I am working in, but I will never understand the mentality.

    If I ever get married, I want my future wife to be the entertainment at the bachelor party. And any friend of mine who attempts to humiliate me with any of those infantile rituals will no longer be my friend.


    Getting back to the topic on hand. If it is done smoothly, I don't see much of a problem with the polite interruption to say you would like a dance when she is done entertaining the other guy. The problem is, so often it isn't handled smoothly--especially if one or both customers are drunk/macho/lacking in social graces. This is why the waitress approach is probably the best idea.

    And there is a certain kind of guy who loves to think he is 'stealing the girl'. They are not trying to be polite, they are trying to prove something. There's a lot of these stupid cocksuckers out there. Obviously you are not one of them.

    For instance, when I go to my favorite club on my nights off, I rent a big velvet couch and kick back for an hour or two. I never, ever get dances, but I tip the hell out the girls onstage, and buy them drinks when they are done. So there are always a bunch of dancers in my booth.

    And these dumb motherfuckers always want to come sit down, or start tipping the girls sitting there like they were onstage, or worst of all, start dancing and rubbing on them, etc., like they are a fucking male stripper (this happened two weeks ago). I tell them to get the hell away--unless they want a dance, in which case they are going away anyway. I always give them that option, but they have to take it--immediately--and get the fuck out of/away from my booth.


    The other problem is that in some of the rougher clubs this could get you in trouble, no matter how polite you were about it. If the guy is jealous, possessive, and violent; you're going to have a problem no matter how polite you are or how reasonable what you want is. Especially if he is a known customer who will be backed up in case of trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    Choosing a bachelor party over some cool lesbians?
    *Sigh*
    We as a collective group are SOOOO disappointed in you.

    I think you owe us one.
    I will personally avail myself to you in an effort to make it right.
    I know, I know, still beating myself over it years later. I had promised the girl I would do it and she was standing there dragging me to the other party. I should have held my ground and blown her off like a flaky stripper, but I wanted to be professional. Huge mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    If I ever get married, I want my future wife to be the entertainment at the bachelor party. And any friend of mine who attempts to humiliate me with any of those infantile rituals will no longer be my friend.
    This is also kind of weird IMO. I wouldn't want to strip for my husband's friends, or work on that night. I want to have a dual naughty bach party where we hire a bunch of strippers and everyone has fun!

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    Lesbians are definitely better than bachelor parties. A stripper standing on my lap in her heels is better than a bachelor party.
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    I like the waitress to bring notice of your interest.

    Here's a simple scene. Wait for a lull in the conversation before approaching. "Excuse me. I dont mean to interrupt, but for only a second. When it's convenient, I'd like a dance with you." Smile, excuse youself again and turn and walk off. Then wait and see. If you have to leave before she she comes, no big deal.

    Interrupted for five seconds.
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    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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    ^^^ Isn't that pretty much the way customers normally do this? I've never had a customer come over to me & WAIT right there for me to leave the first customer... but then again, that could be because of the way I word my response.
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    This is also kind of weird IMO. I wouldn't want to strip for my husband's friends, or work on that night. I want to have a dual naughty bach party where we hire a bunch of strippers and everyone has fun!
    You misunderstood me completely. I don't want her dancing for my friends. I want her dancing for me. Her friends can dance for the other guys. I'm all for that.

    By the time I get married--if ever--I would hope I would not need to have another strange woman dance for me. Hell I stopped getting dances many years ago, I'm not likely to change my mind the night before i get married.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    ... Hell I stopped getting dances many years ago, I'm not likely to change my mind the night before i get married.
    It's merely a suspension of disbelief. Only time I care to do that anymore is at the movies.
    I loved going to strip clubs; I actually made some friends there. Now things are different for the clubs and for me. As a result I am not as happy.

    Customers are not entitled to grope, disrespect, or rob strippers. This is their job, not their hobby, and they all need income. Clubs are not just some erotic show for guys to view while drinking.

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