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    Once I asked a waitress to ask the dancer if she could be able to dance for me when she had finished with the current dude and it worked, and at least for me didn't seem something rude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by threlayer View Post
    I like the waitress bring notice of your interest.

    Here's a simple scene. Wait for a lull in the conversation before approaching. "Excuse me. I dont mean to interrupt, but for only a second. When it's convenient, I'd like a dance with you." Smile, excuse youself again and turn and walk off. Then wait and see. If you have to leave before she she comes, no big deal.

    Interrupted for five seconds.
    I agree on the waitress thing...what she may whisper to the dancer sitting with me is none of my business. But a guy stopping by is an interruption and frankly disrespectful. He has no idea if I have paid her handsomely to sit there and talk to me or what. Those 5 seconds belong to me. Most dancers wind up on stage.That is the time for guys let the dancers know you are in the house and interested, not disrupting a fellow customers' game.

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    Ehh...

    I can understand the feelings of the dancer, the guy getting interupted and the interuptee. In certain situations almost anything is acceptable. It just has to be done properly.

    That said if I can't get a Dancer's attention without going up to her, then there's a decent chance I probably do not want her attention.

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    This very scenario happened to me yesterday, but I was on the other side of it, for once.

    On a club visit yesterday, a dancer that I have not gotten dances from in awhile (and I miss terribly) stopped by my table on her way to the stage to say hi and give me a hug. After wiping the drool away, I mumbled something incoherantly & watched her dance on stage. Tipped her, as usual. Afterwards, she came back out and headed right over to another customer. No prob, I thought....I'll wait it out. The club was very dead - 3 dancers and about a dozen PL's. After giving the guy what seemed like a million dances, she strutted over to a table nearby and planted herself down to chat with the two guys sitting there. This thread popped into my head for a second, and I thought "what would happen if I turned the tables and grabbed her from those two guys?". Well, of course I didn't. I was a bit disappointed that I didn't get any dances from her, and left. I have her phone number, so I texted her from my car to say that perhaps we'll visit some other time. She immediately texted back and was astonished that I didn't come over to that table and take her away - that those two guys were friends of hers and it would have been fun for me to come over. Geez!

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    FWIW - it was definitely my bad for not telling her when she stopped by for a hug that I didn't have much time and would she please dance for me. It's worth noting that I often become a stammering chowderhead when gorgeous half-naked women hug me .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post

    FWIW - It's worth noting that I often become a stammering chowderhead when gorgeous half-naked women hug me .
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    This happened to me as well Saturday night. I was sitting with my fav girl and I saw this guy walking towards us with a goofy smile on his face. He went right up to her and started talking about getting dances, didn't even say "excuse me". It kind of annoyed me, but the truth of the matter was I was getting ready to leave soon anyway. I had already gotten some dances myself, and we were just hanging out. She pointed him to an area to wait for her and then turned to me and said "Well, I have some business to attend to if that's OK with you." Certainly she didn't need for me to say it was OK, but that definitely made me feel better.

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    It's worth noting that I often become a stammering chowderhead when gorgeous half-naked women hug me .
    I'm the same way, and on top of that I'm painfully shy when I first meet ANY person anywhere. To offset this in the club I tell dancers "I'm sorry I'm not good talking to fully clothed ugly girls, so the only thing I can add to a conversation with a half-naked beautiful one is a stutter."
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    I agree on the waitress thing...what she may whisper to the dancer sitting with me is none of my business. But a guy stopping by is an interruption and frankly disrespectful. He has no idea if I have paid her handsomely to sit there and talk to me or what. Those 5 seconds belong to me. Most dancers wind up on stage.That is the time for guys let the dancers know you are in the house and interested, not disrupting a fellow customers' game.

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    Usually I would not ask a dancer about an LD in front of other customers with her. It's confronting and there are staff for that. But nor would I wait for her to go on stage. That could be hours, because of the length of each set, or never for some dancers who feel they don't need to go on or miss their set because of other business. Often enough, they are walking the floor by themselves, looking for their next mark.

    In some cases the customer with the dancer is fucking over the other customers. I'm not knocking paying for convo (the dancers definitely like it), but the focus of SCs is naked girls. Customers paying for convo are keeping other customers from buying LDs. You can buy a group of pretty girls in a regular club drinks so they talk to you.

    If we are talking about consideration for other customers, then even though you are paying, shouldn't you equally be considering other customers and avoiding pissing them off? If it's only who's paying that counts, then a customer wanting to buy an LD has as much right of way as one just sitting talking, even if he's paying too. This thread is not about the money, it's about consideration for other customers.
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    ^ OK, why on earth would I have any interest in consideration for other customers? Their good time in the club is not my responsibility or my concern. I go to the club to have a good time. I bring money with me in pursuit of that. I don't handcuff any dancer to my table or in any way prevent them from pursuing any guy in the club that they think may be a potential customer. I know there are needy, whiny guys who piss and moan when a dancer tries to move on but I'm not one of them. my concern is for my entertainment and the dancer's ability to earn a living. The needs of other customers are not on my radar.

    The bottom line for me is that, IMHO, it is the dancer's responsibility to control all situations in the club that effect her money. My favs do and, to be honest, it's one of the reasons I never interrupt a dancer and a customer. It's rude and it is also something that I learned not to do years ago when I first started going to clubs.

    I understand that girls will sometimes sit with guys who don't spend just to look busy but there has to be a limit. My favs do this all the time but they are also constantly aware of what is going on in the club. When they see a target they go after it. If they don't, quite frankly, it often means they aren't interested in the guy.

    I understand that ladies have to take some time with guys to work them and figure out if they are going to spend or not but, honestly, if a gal is sitting with a guy for so long that other guys think it's time to cut in then she has probably spent too long trying...and yes, I know that is ultimately her call.

    Lastly, I don't pay for conversation but I do buy dances in bulk or do VIP. Part of my time with my favs includes table time. That's part of our deal. That's one of the reasons that she is a fav. As I said in a previous post I visit to relax, not just grope a hot naked woman. I don't go in at peak times and I always spend well. When the lady I am sitting with thinks it's time for her to go work the floor she knows full well that she is welcome to do so with no whiny attitude from me. As I said, it's her call.
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    Quite frankly, I think any dancer with her radar up will notice virtually every guy who notices her (particularly when its slow). A good dancer realizes that, unless she is doing a private dance, she is on display and pays attention to the reactions she gets not just from the guy she is presently sitting with.

    If you want a dance from her, I'd suggest you make a point of letting her know you're noticing her. Eye contact and a smile should send the message. Odds are, she interpret that as an interest in buying a dance. On the rare occasions I bother going into the clubs these days, I try to avoid eye contact for that very reason. It was the method I used when I was interested in dances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    In some cases the customer with the dancer is fucking over the other customers. I'm not knocking paying for convo (the dancers definitely like it), but the focus of SCs is naked girls. Customers paying for convo are keeping other customers from buying LDs.
    No he's not. The other customers have the option to pay women to sat and talk to them as well. The women are being paid to entertain the individual customer. It doesn't matter whether they are talking or dancing.

    The stage is for the entire club's clientele--that's where the dancers get naked for all to see, all night long. The women are free agents once they are offstage.

    The customers have no moral obligation to any other customers, so long as they are following the rules, and being polite if they bump into them, etc. The grey area is this question of approaching another guy's table, which needs to be done with extreme discretion if at all, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    Quite frankly, I think any dancer with her radar up will notice virtually every guy who notices her (particularly when its slow). A good dancer realizes that, unless she is doing a private dance, she is on display and pays attention to the reactions she gets not just from the guy she is presently sitting with.
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    Not always. It depends on how the club is laid out. Some clubs have a lot of dark, hidden corners. And if dancer has made her rounds, sits with a club reg to look busy, and some slimy PL slithers into one of those dark corner booths, she very well may not have a vantage point.

    Here's the thing...if you want a dance from a girl; 1. if she's at the bar, or otherwise in a standing up type place talking to a custy, go up to her and ask politely for her company when she is ready.

    2. If she is sitting down with custies, send your waitress over. What's the worst that can happen? If she's getting paid for her time, then she just won't leave. Another girl will come around.

    This isn't really that difficult a concept people. I know that everyone wants to be "seduced" at the club. But if you are dead set on the hottest chick in the club, chances are she's going to be in demand and you need to do something to announce your intentions. Otherwise, you may just end up with another naked girl squirming in your lap. Oh, the horror of it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    In some cases the customer with the dancer is fucking over the other customers. I'm not knocking paying for convo (the dancers definitely like it), but the focus of SCs is naked girls. Customers paying for convo are keeping other customers from buying LDs. You can buy a group of pretty girls in a regular club drinks so they talk to you.
    Really? Who is another customer to tell me what I should be focusing on or how I should spend my money in the club? And do you really believe that many dancers would burn loads of time with one guy, foregoing other opportunities, if she did not believe that it was to her benefit?

    When I visit my local club my fav sits for hours at a time with me, no doubt depriving others. This also happens with a couple of "friends" sprinkled around clubs that I frequent during road trips. Now why do they do this? Because they make good money from my visits.

    Now my local club fav knows that she can accomodate VIP and LD requests if she wants without fear of income loss, but she usually does so judiciously. My road friends usually stay very close for fear that another girl might catch my fancy - perhaps well justified as I have little loyalty to a girl I see 2-3 times per year.

    Now in all of this do I ever stop to consider, even for a nanosecond, how other customers might feel? Why the hell should I? Also, while I never barge over to a girl while she is talking with someone else, I have used eye signals and, one of my favorites, the bartender message method. Nothing makes a girl move faster than having the words "VIP room" whispered in her ear.

    Another customer that is being deprived of a girl that is spending time with me should feel free to: (1) outgun me with $$$ for her attention (it happens from time to time); (2) find another girl; or (3) wait until I'm finished, though of course he runs the risk that she will never free up.

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    Yeah, I see a lot of the guys looking at me sitting on my big velvet couch, with a bunch of dancers hanging around enjoying themselves, drinking the drinks I bought them, and going up to tip the girls onstage for me--and never, ever, ever buying a single dance. Fuck 'em if they don't like it.

    The girls are very happy to be tipped well and kept in drinks, and have a comfortable spot to chill without some douchebag trying to stick his finger up their ass, or adjusting his cock so that she can rub it better with her ass, or asking them for dates. If guys want dances the girls figure it out (from who has tipped them, or seeing their regulars walk in the door, etc.), and go get them.

    Those guys could rent their own couch (there are several in this club), could tip the onstage girls lavishly, could buy them drinks, and could have what I have quite easily. But a lot of them just sit there watching everyone else having fun, instead. That's not my problem, and it's not the club's problem, and it's not the girls' problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Now in all of this do I ever stop to consider, even for a nanosecond, how other customers might feel? Why the hell should I?

    Another customer that is being deprived of a girl that is spending time with me should feel free to: (1) outgun me with $$$ for her attention (it happens from time to time); (2) find another girl; or (3) wait until I'm finished, though of course he runs the risk that she will never free up.
    Exactly - and why also should the person interrupting care? A couple of people said that interrupting a convo to ask about a LD is rude and inconsiderate of the other customer. My point was merely that if that's the case, then hogging a dancer is inconsiderate; and as you say, why should you consider other customers? Well, you don't have to The dancer decides who's money she takes for what.

    I agree with most of what yoda, djoser (though not his last post) and rick said in their responses to me, some of it is even partly my own point. This thread is about whether it's okay to interrupt a convo or a hustle to ask about a dance. I am saying, it is just as okay to interrupt as it is okay for the customer being interrupted to sit and chat, whether or not he is paying to do so, and that neither customer is obliged to have any consideration for the other.

    That all said, I do get annoyed when some fuckhead waltzes into the club like he owns the joint, during a busy time, goes straight over to a popular dancer bear-hugs her for a minute of "intimate" greeting like they are sweethearts, or making some deal, takes her to his table to buy her drinks and chat about God knows what for some indefinite period before going for one or two LDs with her. Technically if she's with it he's in the right, but these guys always look to me like they are marking out territory and giving all the other customers the big finger, though I doubt they are sparing much conscious thought for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Yeah, I see a lot of the guys looking at me sitting on my big velvet couch, with a bunch of dancers hanging around enjoying themselves, drinking the drinks I bought them, and going up to tip the girls onstage for me--and never, ever, ever buying a single dance. Fuck 'em if they don't like it.

    The girls are very happy to be tipped well and kept in drinks, and have a comfortable spot to chill without some douchebag trying to stick his finger up their ass, or adjusting his cock so that she can rub it better with her ass, or asking them for dates. If guys want dances the girls figure it out (from who has tipped them, or seeing their regulars walk in the door, etc.), and go get them.

    Those guys could rent their own couch (there are several in this club), could tip the onstage girls lavishly, could buy them drinks, and could have what I have quite easily. But a lot of them just sit there watching everyone else having fun, instead. That's not my problem, and it's not the club's problem, and it's not the girls' problem.
    You may be tipping them for their time, but they can make more money in that time from LDs (I doubt you are tipping them all at the same rate as for dances) and all the stuff they have to put up with during LDs comes with the job unfortunately, though it's not in the description or included in the price.

    Really, SCs are a lot less fun when the dancers are sitting about drinking and talking with the same guy the whole time I'm in it.

    As for me being able to do what you do, I don't see the point. I don't go to a SC just to talk to girls or buy them drinks. Girls will talk to me if I buy them drinks in any regular club. I meet and talk with pretty girls in places where drinks are not being served. I tip girls on stage I like a decent amount (not every one of them), I buy girls drinks if I want to drink with them, I tip them for convo if I like talking to them and they stay beyond their hustle time, and I don't try to finger dancers during LDs, though grinding is okay by me if they choose to do that. What you do is probably fun but it's not the kind of fun I go to SCs for.

    True it's not your problem, or the girl's obviously if they stay, but we are not talking in this thread about our own problems, we are talking about causing other people problems. If all the girls are hired out over in one guy's corner, then I have wasted the high cost of the entry fee and that is a problem. FBR called interrupting another customer talking to a dancer "fucko"-ing and you said "fuck 'em" if customers don't like what you are doing. Neither is wrong from a purely business POV, but that doesn't necessarily make it okay. I like to think that society is not all about business.
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    I've had customers come up when I was with another customer and tell me they wanted a dance with me when I was done. In many cases I told them not for awhile, since I was with a regular, so they waited. Other times the customer told me to take care of the other customer (in other words "not interested") and some cases they would be "let's get a dance now". I don't remember another customer getting mad about this.

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    Usually I would not ask a dancer about an LD in front of other customers with her. It's confronting and there are staff for that. But nor would I wait for her to go on stage. That could be hours, because of the length of each set, or never for some dancers who feel they don't need to go on or miss their set because of other business. Often enough, they are walking the floor by themselves, looking for their next mark.

    In some cases the customer with the dancer is fucking over the other customers. I'm not knocking paying for convo (the dancers definitely like it), but the focus of SCs is naked girls. Customers paying for convo are keeping other customers from buying LDs. You can buy a group of pretty girls in a regular club drinks so they talk to you.

    If we are talking about consideration for other customers, then even though you are paying, shouldn't you equally be considering other customers and avoiding pissing them off? If it's only who's paying that counts, then a customer wanting to buy an LD has as much right of way as one just sitting talking, even if he's paying too. This thread is not about the money, it's about consideration for other customers.
    Actually, I've had many customers who paid me to talk with them. Their money is just as valid as a guy who wants a dance.

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    Hopper, to make my previous comments clear, I don't really care about what other customers think. Having said this, IMHO there is an etiquette to how this is done and barging up while two people are talking is rude and inconsiderate. You don't know the situation you are interrupting and you could be putting the dancer in a difficult position. There are other ways that you can let her know that you are interested and she can decide if and when to act on your interest.

    Now I mentioned eye signals or using the bartender to let her know that I'm interested, but I also should have mentioned that this is infrequent for me and only done in certain unique situations. As a matter of policy I never chase after a girl. I'll make sure that she knows that I'm interested, but IMHO barging in on her while she's dealing with someone else comes off as a little desperate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    barging in on her while she's dealing with someone else comes off as a little desperate.
    I don't think one should worry about looking desperate when in the SC looking for lap dances...

    Just my

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    I don't think one should worry about looking desperate when in the SC looking for lap dances...

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    Really? And does the lioness treat a wolf the same way that she does a frightened gazelle?

    Now in the end we are all food, but whether at a club or in any other setting how one is perceived will impact how one is treated. These girls are doing a job, but they are still human. In fact, there are a fair number of dancers that do a very good job of preying on weakness, and others that will treat you very differently depending upon how they size you up, so it most certainly does matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookie2010 View Post
    I don't think one should worry about looking desperate when in the SC looking for lap dances...

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    I don't think "looking desperate" is a good way to approach much of anything in life. Spending money in a strip club included.
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    Hopper, to make my previous comments clear, I don't really care about what other customers think. Having said this, IMHO there is an etiquette to how this is done and barging up while two people are talking is rude and inconsiderate. You don't know the situation you are interrupting and you could be putting the dancer in a difficult position. There are other ways that you can let her know that you are interested and she can decide if and when to act on your interest.

    Now I mentioned eye signals or using the bartender to let her know that I'm interested, but I also should have mentioned that this is infrequent for me and only done in certain unique situations. As a matter of policy I never chase after a girl. I'll make sure that she knows that I'm interested, but IMHO barging in on her while she's dealing with someone else comes off as a little desperate.
    First, I can't remember ever actually interrupting a dancer talking to another customer. I would avoid doing so if I can - I'd ask another dancer, waitress or other staff to handle it. I agree that it could appear rude and desperate. However, if the customer looks like he's not interested after a reasonable amount of hustling, or if he's being a dick, it's probably okay for me to walk over myself.

    You never chase after a girl, even through a bartender? You could be waiting all night for her to come to you, or even within range of your eye signals. The way I see it, it's just business and if I want a dancer I need to tell her as soon as I decide I do. No point in wasting time with games - I'm not interested in them. I just want a LD. There is no ego involved. There's time enough for interaction with the dancer during the LD. More fun too.
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    Really? And does the lioness treat a wolf the same way that she does a frightened gazelle?

    Now in the end we are all food, but whether at a club or in any other setting how one is perceived will impact how one is treated. These girls are doing a job, but they are still human. In fact, there are a fair number of dancers that do a very good job of preying on weakness, and others that will treat you very differently depending upon how they size you up, so it most certainly does matter.
    So don't be weak. Pay your money and make sure you get what you want for it. Deal with her. Then she will perceive you how you wish. I see your point that a dancer approaching a customer is psychologically at less of an advantage than one who is requested by the customer. But I look like a loser sitting in a SC all night waiting for the dancer I like to approach me anyway. And I don't want to waste time playing hard-to-sell once she does. I don't look like a push-over just because I'm doing the asking.
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    I don't think asking a dancer for a dance means that you are desperate or that you appear desperate to the lady in question. Under this scenario simply becoming a regular customer of a dancer would also make you desperate in her eyes. That simply isn't reality most of the time...though it certainly may be some of the time. Yes, there are dancers who take advantage of guys but they will do that regardless of who does the asking.

    I also don't really thinks it's possible for a guy sitting across the room to have a realistic idea of what sort of interaction is taking place between a dancer and customer sitting together. If a guy decides to "move in" he is doing it out of impatience, not out if some great concern for the dancer that she is wasting her time with a guy.
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    its better to just not interupt. if you really want to see me then go through the waitress and get a note to me. I dont come to your work and interupt you when youre with your customers dont do it to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    You never chase after a girl, even through a bartender? You could be waiting all night for her to come to you, or even within range of your eye signals. The way I see it, it's just business and if I want a dancer I need to tell her as soon as I decide I do. No point in wasting time with games - I'm not interested in them. I just want a LD. There is no ego involved. There's time enough for interaction with the dancer during the LD. More fun too.
    And if I am then so what? IMO it is better that I wait, or choose another girl if I can't wait, then chase after a dancer that is sitting with another customer. As yoda pointed out, you have no idea what's happening over there and you could be putting the dancer in a bad spot.

    I've used the bartender a few times over the years, but that has almost always been in unique circumstances. Sometimes it resulted in the girl coming over and sometimes not. C'est la vie. But under no circumstances would I go to her directly and interrupt.

    And label it as impatient, desperate, or whatever, but someone who needs a dance so much with that particular dancer at that moment that he is willing to bust in while she is dealing with another customer does come off as needy. Opinions may differ, but with some of the girls that I deal with that perception would hinder me a great deal in some of my activities. Now if your one and only interest is a couple of lapdances then you may not care, but there it is.

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