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    If it was a guy I married who wanted a stripper to be honest I would feel uncomfortable, though I've been a party stripper. I think it's because I know how many other bachelor party dancers act.
    She'd be dancing for me and me alone. There would be other dancers for the other guys at the party. But it's all kind of a joking fantasy anyway, a kind of 'Anti-bachelor Party', if you will. If and when I ever get married, I doubt there will be a bachelor party of any kind.

    But if I did, the only woman I'd want dancing for me would be the one I was going to marry the next day. Maybe this makes it a little more clear as to what I meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    She'd be dancing for me and me alone. There would be other dancers for the other guys at the party. But it's all kind of a joking fantasy anyway, a kind of 'Anti-bachelor Party', if you will. If and when I ever get married, I doubt there will be a bachelor party of any kind.

    But if I did, the only woman I'd want dancing for me would be the one I was going to marry the next day. Maybe this makes it a little more clear as to what I meant.
    I had a feeling that's what you meant (and I saw your other post). I was talking to a friend and they asked me if I would have a bachelorette party when I marry with a male stripper and I said probably not. Been there, done that. Besides, I've sown my wild oats and am not a 20 something. I'd probably just go out and drink and to a club (though this doesn't interest me anymore either).

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    I don't think asking a dancer for a dance means that you are desperate or that you appear desperate to the lady in question. Under this scenario simply becoming a regular customer of a dancer would also make you desperate in her eyes. That simply isn't reality most of the time...though it certainly may be some of the time. Yes, there are dancers who take advantage of guys but they will do that regardless of who does the asking.

    I also don't really thinks it's possible for a guy sitting across the room to have a realistic idea of what sort of interaction is taking place between a dancer and customer sitting together. If a guy decides to "move in" he is doing it out of impatience, not out if some great concern for the dancer that she is wasting her time with a guy.
    Agreed with what you posted. I've heard the silly desperate comments and I don't think being a customer or a regular automatically makes one "desperate". What says desperate is guys not dating other women because he thinks he has a chance with me.

    Interestingly, I've had guys wait hours to get a dance with me. I often had a line of men waiting for me but they were all patient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    You may be tipping them for their time, but they can make more money in that time from LDs (I doubt you are tipping them all at the same rate as for dances) and all the stuff they have to put up with during LDs comes with the job unfortunately, though it's not in the description or included in the price.

    Really, SCs are a lot less fun when the dancers are sitting about drinking and talking with the same guy the whole time I'm in it.

    As for me being able to do what you do, I don't see the point. I don't go to a SC just to talk to girls or buy them drinks. Girls will talk to me if I buy them drinks in any regular club. I meet and talk with pretty girls in places where drinks are not being served. I tip girls on stage I like a decent amount (not every one of them), I buy girls drinks if I want to drink with them, I tip them for convo if I like talking to them and they stay beyond their hustle time, and I don't try to finger dancers during LDs, though grinding is okay by me if they choose to do that. What you do is probably fun but it's not the kind of fun I go to SCs for.

    True it's not your problem, or the girl's obviously if they stay, but we are not talking in this thread about our own problems, we are talking about causing other people problems. If all the girls are hired out over in one guy's corner, then I have wasted the high cost of the entry fee and that is a problem. FBR called interrupting another customer talking to a dancer "fucko"-ing and you said "fuck 'em" if customers don't like what you are doing. Neither is wrong from a purely business POV, but that doesn't necessarily make it okay. I like to think that society is not all about business.
    Right, it's not all about business.

    I go there to relax and unwind from my weekly three night work ordeal, it's like therapy, I swear. I love that couch. And the girls who sit with me are getting a break from the grind, for as long as they want it, and a cool drink while they are there. If they want to tip the girl onstage for me, they know it'll come back to them, plus it makes them look good to the guys (quite often they will get taken into private dance from this). They know I am also in the business and am not there to get dances but to chill out. Everything is out in the open, no games.

    They can go do dances and come back when they are done, if they feel like it. I am NOT keeping them from making money from other guys--in fact I will point out guys entering the club 'Incoming' 'Attack!', etc.

    While it's true this might irritate some customers, I don't care. They could do exactly what I am doing and have the girls sitting with them in a couch as well.


    In fact, last night after posting that, I went in there and two of the couches were taken, and the guys had girls with them. I have no idea who was getting paid what, nor did I care. I got another one and relaxed as usual. The girls who knew me, and wanted a break, took it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    do so, and that neither customer is obliged to have any consideration for the other.

    That all said, I do get annoyed when some fuckhead waltzes into the club like he owns the joint, during a busy time, goes straight over to a popular dancer bear-hugs her for a minute of "intimate" greeting like they are sweethearts, or making some deal, takes her to his table to buy her drinks and chat about God knows what for some indefinite period before going for one or two LDs with her. Technically if she's with it he's in the right, but these guys always look to me like they are marking out territory and giving all the other customers the big finger, though I doubt they are sparing much conscious thought for them.
    So fucking what. Its her choice. If she doesn't want to make money and wants to hang out in the "cool spot" with Djoser, there are plenty of girls who are hustling to earn your business. Case in point, myself. I was never a groupie for the Djoser type (bless his heart, my friend). But if I had been working 6 days straight and I wanted to chill for a while without hustling with a friend like Djoser, then who the fuck is going to tell me to do otherwise, even at the expense of more income?

    Seriously dude, you're barking up the stump of a tree. Its all up to the dancer. And if the dancer you want is with Djoser...well get out of your oneism state and choose another dancer..or take your money home with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KS_Stevia View Post
    So fucking what. Its her choice. If she doesn't want to make money and wants to hang out in the "cool spot" with Djoser, there are plenty of girls who are hustling to earn your business. Case in point, myself. I was never a groupie for the Djoser type (bless his heart, my friend). But if I had been working 6 days straight and I wanted to chill for a while without hustling with a friend like Djoser, then who the fuck is going to tell me to do otherwise, even at the expense of more income?
    It's mutual, you are more like a sister/most excellent friend, I wouldn't want it to be a groupie thing anyway. The dancers sitting with me aren't necessarily groupie types, as you say (though there is chemistry with some of them it is true). They are there to chill, for the most part. They know that's why I am there too. If one of them and happen to click, well that's even better. But basically I am there for the couch and the company, not to try and pick up. Usually I have worked with one or more of them in another club anyway; generally the way we relate is not as customer/dancer.

    They will make more money in the long run if they are happy and comfortable at work. Sometimes that means taking a break. I have always thought that the typical dancer will make more money in the long run working 4 nights a week than 5, and taking a break once in a while during the night as well.

    And as I said, if I see guys who look like prospects I will tell the dancers. Like if a guy is staring at one of them a lot and she isn't picking up on it, I'll tell her she maybe ought to try talking to him. I literally can't count the times I have done this.


    But getting back to the topic, strictly defined, I think there could be some situations where approaching a table (or at the bar, more likely) where a customer is with a dancer would be OK. But it's not something I would ever do, and it's something that should be handled with extreme discretion. Especially in the rougher clubs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    And if I am then so what? IMO it is better that I wait, or choose another girl if I can't wait, then chase after a dancer that is sitting with another customer. As yoda pointed out, you have no idea what's happening over there and you could be putting the dancer in a bad spot.
    LIke I said, I wouldn't ordinarily go over there myself and interrupt. Certainly not just a couple of minutes after the dancer sat down. I don't know how it would be putting the dancer in a "spot" though - I'm just asking, and she can say no. Most dancers here have commented that they would welcome it.

    So I'm not "chasing" the dancer, I am just relaying my interest. As you say, I have no idea what the situation is, so I have to ask. (I'm talking about doing it through staff here, not in person.)

    I've used the bartender a few times over the years, but that has almost always been in unique circumstances. Sometimes it resulted in the girl coming over and sometimes not. C'est la vie. But under no circumstances would I go to her directly and interrupt.

    And label it as impatient, desperate, or whatever, but someone who needs a dance so much with that particular dancer at that moment that he is willing to bust in while she is dealing with another customer does come off as needy. Opinions may differ, but with some of the girls that I deal with that perception would hinder me a great deal in some of my activities. Now if your one and only interest is a couple of lapdances then you may not care, but there it is.
    It's not that I need a dance right at that moment, it's that ten other customers could book her if I wait and then I'll be "needing a dance" with her for the rest of the night. I don't want to hang around in a SC for hours waiting for a girl - that might look bad too. I want to go there, get what I want and leave.

    I don't care what the dancer thinks of it. I don't see why she would think anything of it. It's a strip club and I want a LD - what is there to think about? I don't see why she would care about anything but my money. I'm not a pushover or a sap, so that's how she'll size me up. She's doing business and I want her business - not later, not tomorrow night, not after some petty "sizing up" or pretend GF b/s - right away or within a reasonable time. If I were to act interested in anything besides LDs in a strip club, such as what she thinks about me, then I should worry about her perception of me. Ironic isn't it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Right, it's not all about business.

    I go there to relax and unwind from my weekly three night work ordeal, it's like therapy, I swear. I love that couch. And the girls who sit with me are getting a break from the grind, for as long as they want it, and a cool drink while they are there. If they want to tip the girl onstage for me, they know it'll come back to them, plus it makes them look good to the guys (quite often they will get taken into private dance from this). They know I am also in the business and am not there to get dances but to chill out. Everything is out in the open, no games.
    By "not all about business" I meant customers don't have to think only of what interests themselves and what they are entitled to. I am entitled to go over and interrupt a conversation between a dancer and a customer, but others here say that's being a fuckhead and although I wouldn't go that far, I would avoid doing it myself. But from a purely business POV, it's okay.

    They can go do dances and come back when they are done, if they feel like it. I am NOT keeping them from making money from other guys--in fact I will point out guys entering the club 'Incoming' 'Attack!', etc.
    Okay so you are not keeping them from doing LDs and you even said earlier customers can come over to ask for LDs. But I can still understand other customers being irritated because while they are sitting on your couch, they are not actively mingling, i.e. working the room. I can't necessarily decide from across the room whether I like one of the dancers on your couch and not all of them are going to do a stage show in the time I am in the club, so I won't necessarily see them there either (or be able to tip them there to let them know I'm interested).

    Ironically, this whole topic came up because some customers want to "mingle" uninterrupted instead of going straight for dances, or even going at all.

    I suppose it depends on how long each dancer is spending over at your couch relative to how long the other customers are in the club for. Irritating other customers is bad for business - for the dancers and the club. They need breaks like all of us do at work. If the dancers are at your couch for just the average length of time they might spend with other customers then maybe it isn't an issue. But customers are going to see one guy with a bunch of girls all to himself.

    While it's true this might irritate some customers, I don't care. They could do exactly what I am doing and have the girls sitting with them in a couch as well.

    In fact, last night after posting that, I went in there and two of the couches were taken, and the guys had girls with them. I have no idea who was getting paid what, nor did I care. I got another one and relaxed as usual. The girls who knew me, and wanted a break, took it.
    That's not why I go.
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    So fucking what. Its her choice. If she doesn't want to make money and wants to hang out in the "cool spot" with Djoser, there are plenty of girls who are hustling to earn your business. Case in point, myself. I was never a groupie for the Djoser type (bless his heart, my friend). But if I had been working 6 days straight and I wanted to chill for a while without hustling with a friend like Djoser, then who the fuck is going to tell me to do otherwise, even at the expense of more income?

    Seriously dude, you're barking up the stump of a tree. Its all up to the dancer. And if the dancer you want is with Djoser...well get out of your oneism state and choose another dancer..or take your money home with you.
    That passage you quoted wasn't aimed at djoser, nor was the post it is from a response to one of djoser's posts. I don't know why you are connecting the two, dude.

    We weren't talking about what the dancers should do, we were talking about consideration for the other customer. Some customers here think interrupting a conversation between a dancer and another customer is fucking over the other guy. I'm just saying to them that I also don't go to SCs to watch dancers sit and talk to other customers. So if those customers don't like me interrupting that, TFB.

    I don't choose the dancers you like, I choose the ones I like. Even if I've already had LDs from ten other dancers that night, I won't like it if another dancer I like is "chilling" over at some other guy's table for half an hour instead of mingling so I don't get to meet her. It's not "oneism".

    I don't expect to get everything I like, obviously somebody always has to miss out. I'm not demanding everything be my way. But I'm entitled to do what I can to get my way, like everyone else. I took some of my time to come to the club and also paid at the door just to get in. I also don't have all night. If there are too many dancers "chilling" with customers it's going to hold me up or cause me to go without.

    I'm not speaking against paid conversation, I'm just saying that if you do take the cheap route and pay her to talk to you at your table instead of in the LD area, which means you can go for a lot longer, then cut the rest of us a break and let us get LDs. There doesn't need to be a conflict between the two.

    None of this is aimed at djoser, because he doesn't stop customers from asking for LDs from the dancers with him. Except I wouldn't be happy with dancers just sitting with one guy for any great length of time, since it means I don't get to meet them so that I can decide whether I do want them.

    I have had dancers sit and talk to me way past their hustle time. Sometimes they weren't hustling at all, just taking time out and looking busy. One time I had the hottest dancer in the club sit and talk to me for almost two hours because she didn't want to work that night. I tipped her well for it anyway (because I was enjoying it) and offered her drinks (she declined). I also bought an LD from her, so she eventually did start working. If other customers had approached her while she was with me, I wouldn't have wet my pants over it. She doesn't belong to me and nor am I that needy.
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    They will make more money in the long run if they are happy and comfortable at work. Sometimes that means taking a break. I have always thought that the typical dancer will make more money in the long run working 4 nights a week than 5, and taking a break once in a while during the night as well.
    Everyone needs work breaks but in the case of strippers there are quiet and busy times in each shift, and the breaks should be during the quiet times. I don't know what dancers do for breaks in my clubs, but it seems they usually do it by sitting and chatting to a customer, who might buy her a drink. Sometimes they head off to the dressing room or outside of the club for a meal. I've had dancers sit with me for this reason and I use it to talk to them about their work and the club, because it helps me to know this stuff. In return I buy them drinks and tip them for their time, regardless of whether I am interested in them for LDs.

    And as I said, if I see guys who look like prospects I will tell the dancers. Like if a guy is staring at one of them a lot and she isn't picking up on it, I'll tell her she maybe ought to try talking to him. I literally can't count the times I have done this.
    This would creep me out a little. I don't want some other guy watching me in the club and directing the dancers. I want to interact directly with the dancers. I know all the dancers and other staff are going to be watching me, but another customer? A bit disconcerting.

    But getting back to the topic, strictly defined, I think there could be some situations where approaching a table (or at the bar, more likely) where a customer is with a dancer would be OK. But it's not something I would ever do, and it's something that should be handled with extreme discretion. Especially in the rougher clubs!
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    Everyone needs work breaks but in the case of strippers there are quiet and busy times in each shift, and the breaks should be during the quiet times.
    The breaks should be when they need a break.

    Once in a while the shit will get to me so much I have to go sit down for literally 30 seconds in the dressing room, or better yet go outside for a minute--just to clear my head. It doesn't matter how busy it is, I need it right then. I'd love to take longer than that, but the songs are 3 minutes or less and I can't.

    I did that last night, in fact (went outside for about 30 seconds).

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    In return I buy them drinks and tip them for their time, regardless of whether I am interested in them for LDs.
    Aha! You are doing the same thing that I am, pretty much--except I do it on a big comfortable couch, which helps them stay longer I suspect. They will like you for this, trust me.

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    This would creep me out a little. I don't want some other guy watching me in the club and directing the dancers. I want to interact directly with the dancers. I know all the dancers and other staff are going to be watching me, but another customer? A bit disconcerting.
    Oh it's not like I am watching the customers nonstop, not with a bunch of dancers sitting around me.

    But I do watch the club to some extent. The guys I tell them to go talk to have no clue I mentioned it to the girl. You also have to remember I am in the business. I do that when I am DJing as well. It's good for the dancers, it's good for the customers (provided it wasn't a false alarm, or the guy was just staring but didn't want a dance). Everybody's happy!

    You are over analyzing this, I think. But you seem like a good guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hopper View Post
    This would creep me out a little. I don't want some other guy watching me in the club and directing the dancers. I want to interact directly with the dancers. I know all the dancers and other staff are going to be watching me, but another customer? A bit disconcerting.
    When you work in the industry a while, noticing potential prey is almost second nature. I am always seeing ripe PL's drooling over the strippers that spend time with me when I go in as a custy. Djoser has been working this industry a while, it doesn't take much effort to take note of a tongue hanging down to the ground when doing a casual crowd scan.

    Not all strippers are workaholics, or even hard workers. Lots enjoy the easy come, easy go party lifestyle. They love working in the nightlife. They aren't thinking about maximizing their income on a busy night with lots of prospective buyers. They just made their month's bills the night before. Hence, a stripper will take a break when she feels like it. And she'll sometimes come to work and not feel like hustling. Burn out can cause this too.

    There are no rules and requirements for strippers to constantly mingle, or do anything really...unless its a very small club, or a show club, or has micro managers.

    Maybe that helps Hopper. Ultimately I do agree with you, nothing really wrong with interrupting a custy and dancer as long as you do it politely and not when they are in the middle of a dance or in a private champ room type environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tipthestripper View Post
    you may interupt me at anytime ;-)
    you could always send over your waitress (any other employee really)
    wish there were more customers like you!!!
    This. If I'm interested and she's seemingly stuck with someone more interested in chatting I'll send the waitress (and tip her accordingly). It just seems a civilized way to go about it, and if the other guy is feeling territorial it makes it less likely I'm going to have to fend him off with chair and bullwhip until the bouncer steps in.

    Plus, if he's a regular or her boyfriend, chances are the waitress may clue me in.

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