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    Some of what have been posted here is as false as it gets and I'm not going to call anyone out but proves my point that men have no idea about this business. They should always stay on the other side of the fence (Paying).

    I am a mid-range provider and I can honestly tell you that those rates pornlaw posted are not the norm. The ladies that charge 1000 an up are lucky to get 5 appointments a year. Famous Pornstars like Sasha Grey would stay busy all year if she were to charge such. However escort that charge 1000 and up aren't so lucky. Generally these women have other jobs that keep them afloat. The notion that escorts in LA are charging 1000 an hour and getting it is absurd. The LA market has gone to shits. Take it from an escort that is very well-known in the community. LA is filled with gorgeous women and lots of competitions... so what does that mean? Lower rates. Are there still high-end escorts in LA? Of course! Fact of the matter is as independent we can charge $2,000 an hour if we wanted to but how often would we work? Can we get by if we went months without a single call? This is what an escort takes into consideration when deciding what she is going to charge hourly.

    There are ladies that specialize in longer appointments. You know like the know a lady that charges 8k for a 12 hour appointment. That is her minimum. She does not offer one hour, two hour or even 3 hour appointments. You must have 8k to see her. Now how many times a year do you think she works?
    Please don't lead people into thinking that the high-end market is lucrative because it's not. I have ladies banging my door down wanting me to teach them about the world of escorting thinking they can start out as a 700 an hour escort... sure you can but be willing to go hungry for a few months. This business is about reputation, word of mouth and sometimes reviews (Just recently had my reviews pulled and I do very well without them don't let someone tell you you need reviews to make it in this business because you don't) and it is also based on looks, body type.. etc.

    I have had ladies asked me if they'll do well in so and so city or with charging so and so rates and I tell them "If a man likes you he will spend money on you", "If a man wants you he will do any and everything to be with you".. that is fact. Perfect example here: Yesterday I got an email from a man from Tampa, FL. This man is well known around the U.S (doctor). He sent me a long email about how much he wanted to see me and wish he was in my city bla bla bla. After I emailed him back thanking him for writting me and letting him know the options that he had, he decided he's going to fly me to Tampa, FL for a 4 hour date. Proves my point, if a man sees you, likes you, wants you, he will pay YOUR donation to be with you. I will be leaving for Tampa this thursday btw .. yes I will take pics and won't mind sharing. You do nOT have to charge $1500 to date high-end clients that will spoil you. That is the most craziest thing I've read. I have had guys fly in from other states just to be with me. However it is true that most men won't see a girl under a certain price range. For example: They won't see a girl for 100 an hour or $200 an hour.. they have very high standards.

    I laugh everytime I read someone's definition of HDH. The topic of what constitutes a HDH has been debated on board for years. Pornlaw, That is your definition of HDH but it takes a lot more than that and if you knew anything about the world of escorting you would know that there is a big difference between being high-end and expensive. It doesn't matter what YOU think of them but what their suitors think. Amanda Brooks wrote a wonderful blog about it here

    The OP was spot on in everything she said about high-end escorting. It is not all glitz and glam .. though it is what you make of it. As a $400 an hour escort I make more money than the average joe, I travel when I want and do very well for myself. My clients range from doctors to lawyers to financial advisors. My attorney, My CPA, My interior designer are all clients of mine. If business is slow in my city I can travel to a nearby city and make top dollar easy. For those that want to butter this business up please don't! Sex is always the motive. My clients range from 42 and up. I do not see men under 35. I have been flown to exotic beach houses, dinner parties and conventions but at the end of the day SEX does take place so don't think you can enter this business and provide companionship only.

    Don't want to take it from me? If you PM me I can connect you with other ladies in the business that can confirm everything I have posted here.

    Just FYI pornlaw, Unless you are in the same room with the escort and client you know nothing about what goes on but what the clients you represent tell you. BCD unless you have a security camera watching the two individuals .. you have no clue. Me? I don't kiss and tell but I would love to be a fly on the wall in other ladies appointments. MarvelGirl, That was a beautiful post. Thanks for enlightening the board. I posted this in the escort only forum that I am a member of and everyone agreed with what you said.

    My point? Rates don't prove a thing! They are just there. It doesn't determine anything! I have read reviews of highend companions where one guy paid 1000 an hour and on the 4th page of her review page another guy paid $300 an hour. I must say.. it's funny. If I were the guy that paid 1k I'd be pissed! I have read reviews where the guy said the $1000 an hour girl was "as dumb as a rock" and I've read reviews where the girl was just what he expected. This is NOT a union. We all work as individuals and decide to run our business the way we see fit. How do you know if the lady is high-end or just expensive? You have to meet her. Meet her and then judge. Case closed.

    Let's not forget that there is another world of escorting that no one talks about. UTR escorting.. What about the high-end ladies that don't advertise online, they don't have ads, they don't have webistes, they're not streetwalkers.. they wouldn't dare! How do they get business? How do they make money? Do you know that most UTR escorts make more money than those escorts online? Why? Because fact of the matter is Most high-end clients aren't found online. Nope I will not spill the beans.... maybe I will but that's another thread Good day!

    P.s For those wanting to get into escorting read this article by Amanda Brooks. Amanda Brooks is an icon in the community and she is a very good friend of mine.

    Notice I backed up everything I said.. Posted proof.
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    Islandgirl- You are partially correct about the L.A. market which is why a LOT of ex-Playmates, porn girls etc. TOUR. It is BECAUSE they cannot consistently get the rates they think they deserve that they travel to other cities where they can.

    By and large rates are determined by supply and demand coupled with how often a lady wants to work. Every lady who escorts has to work out her own calculus of rate vs. frequency of obtaining that rate and do what is best for her. There are so many factors that go into rates and frequency of appointments that there are no hard and fast rules. More like general considerations.

    Do you have to advertise ? No but you better have some way of getting appointments if you don't i.e. a solid network that will bring you clients.

    Do you need a website ? No but it helps.

    Can you be utr ? Yes but it usually affects volume.

    Do you have to have reviews ? No but reviews make it easier for newbies and for girls who tour.

    Can you make big money at $400 an hour ? Yeah but do the math. That's a lot of appointments. To gross just $40,000 that's 100 hours ; $100,000 would be 250 and that's without deducting expenses. As to the variability of rates which you mention, why is that surprising ? Some cities are more expensive than others. Outcall can be more expensive than incall because the lady has to do the traveling and can't earn anything while she is stuck in a cab or caught in a traffic jam. Many ladies grandfather existing, favored or favorite clients at their old rates and charge new clients more. Who is surprised about that ?

    As for "HDH" 's, I obviously did not make a clear distinction. It is fair to say that there is and can be a difference between an escort who just charges a lot of money and those who cater to the "jet set" or are referred to as "high end". I KNOW there are such ladies because I have met them, partied with them and have a few as close friends. I used to do a lot of security and other work for men that routinely hired such women. Whether you like it or not, whether you appreciate his pov or not, Pornlaw does know what he is talking about.

    On the other hand, you are correct that the only truly reliable way to determine who is or isn't "high end" is to meet her. You are also correct that is ridiculous to think that one can successfully escort and just provide companionship. That is a MYTH ; a FANTASY and I have been throwing cold water on it with post after post from the real world on here and elsewhere for quite some time.

    I'm sure everyone appreciates your real world experiences but you're not the only one who has them. Neither are the authors of the books to which you refer. None are encyclopedic in relating all there is to know about escorting.
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    Eric, Are you an escort? Ever worked as an escort? You do know that you are preaching to the choir right?
    You didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. $400/$500 an hour is a lot of money an hour. A lot of appointments? I'm sure you know (this is if you've even worked as an escort).. that we're not going on one hour appointments everyday. One day it could be two one hour appointments for $400 total: $800 seeing just two clients. The next day it could be an overnight for $3,500 seeing just one client. The day after it could be a 4 hour appointment for $1600 and a $400 appointment later on that day. That's 2k seeing just clients. Clearly you've never worked as an escort. Just because we charge $400/500 an hour doesn't mean we're doing one hour appointments year round.. geesh.

    Trust me I've worked UTR and it is VERY easy to get clients. I won't spill the beans but I have my ways. I learned from
    the best. The volume is really up to you.

    Eric, I have to give it to you. You're a very intelligent man but you don't know it all. Oh and I do agree with you where you said reviews make it easier for girls to tour.
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    Damn! My props to you ladies! I'm well read, intelligent (He calls me his little nerd) I listen to everything from Schubert to johnny Cash. but the one thing that would hold me back is my 20+ tattoos.
    C'est la vie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    Damn! My props to you ladies! I'm well read, intelligent (He calls me his little nerd) I listen to everything from Schubert to johnny Cash. but the one thing that would hold me back is my 20+ tattoos.
    C'est la vie.
    Eh.. I like you with your man. Seems like a great guy.. I'm not trying to give you any ideas BUT

    .. have you heard of Jayne? FunwithJayne.com. She is now a dominatrix but she's HOT and has a sleeve of tats. My bff Valerie International (you can google her) she has a lot of tattoos and that girl works her ass off. Some guys like tats .. some guys don't.. that's just the way it is. It doesn't make the girl a taboo or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    Eh.. I like you with your man. Seems like a great guy.. I'm not trying to give you any ideas BUT

    .. have you heard of Jayne? FunwithJayne.com. She is now a dominatrix but she's HOT and has a sleeve of tats. My bff Valerie International (you can google her) she has a lot of tattoos and that girl works her ass off. Some guys like tats .. some guys don't.. that's just the way it is. It doesn't make the girl a taboo or anything.

    I think I heard about Jayne. She's big in the latex and Fetish community with Bianca Beauchamp, isn't she? I'll check out the other gal too. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I think I heard about Jayne. She's big in the latex and Fetish community with Bianca Beauchamp, isn't she? I'll check out the other gal too. Thanks.
    Um Bianca Beauchamp is my girl crush. That girl is SMOKING HOT! Yes Jayne is BIG in the fetish and leather community. Spot on.

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    Eric doesnt know it all but neither do you MAlaya. Im not sure why when somebody is not spot on with what you saying you go haywire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamWhore View Post
    Eric doesnt know it all but neither do you MAlaya. Im not sure why when somebody is not spot on with what you saying you go haywire.
    Why did you have to bring your drama into this thread. The conversation is between me and eric.. if you have nothing to contribute to the subject why hijack the thread? You're doing everything you can to get banned again. Camwhore, I am not going to argue with you. I don't even know why you're starting shit.

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    WOW MALAYA. Im not really sure if im the drama queen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CamWhore View Post
    WOW MALAYA. Im not really sure if im the drama queen.
    This is Marvelgirl's thread. Me and eric are having a debate. I don't think he thinks I'm arguing with him. I love his commentary. I love hearing a man's perspective even though I usually don't agree with them. You came on this thread starting drama. You're talking about something that has absolutely NOTHING to do with you. When I saw that you commented I thought ok she has something cool to say.. oh no oops .. another attack on me. I guess you had to continue your attacks here. wow camwhore.. just stop. It's not a good look. Why follow me around on the board? and make smart comments that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. I agreed with the OP. Her assesment was right.

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    Drama?

    Moving on.

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    THANK YOU for not making this one long ass paragraph that hurts my eyes!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    Eric, Are you an escort? Ever worked as an escort? You do know that you are preaching to the choir right?
    You didn't tell me anything I didn't already know. $400/$500 an hour is a lot of money an hour. A lot of appointments? I'm sure you know (this is if you've even worked as an escort).. that we're not going on one hour appointments everyday. One day it could be two one hour appointments for $400 total: $800 seeing just two clients. The next day it could be an overnight for $3,500 seeing just one client. The day after it could be a 4 hour appointment for $1600 and a $400 appointment later on that day. That's 2k seeing just clients. Clearly you've never worked as an escort. Just because we charge $400/500 an hour doesn't mean we're doing one hour appointments year round.. geesh.

    Trust me I've worked UTR and it is VERY easy to get clients. I won't spill the beans but I have my ways. I learned from
    the best. The volume is really up to you.

    Eric, I have to give it to you. You're a very intelligent man but you don't know it all. Oh and I do agree with you where you said reviews make it easier for girls to tour.
    Am I an escort ? No, I flunked the physical. There were a few technicalities.

    $400 an hour is a "lot of money" ? Depends where you are. In most parts of the country it is actually a high end rate. In NYC, it is middling. In L.A. it used to be. My first hand knowledge of L.A. is admittedly dated. In Miami, it is mid-range. I DO know that a LOT of L.A. , Vegas and Miami gals cannot get their old rates consistently without touring. All 3 places have been clobbered by the recession and business is way down.

    I have an idea how things work which is why I used hourly totals and I am well familiar with overnight, weekend, weekly and even monthly rates. As I am with 1/2 hours if that suits your purpose. My whole point was that escorting VARIES. What is true or works for one lady might be a bad idea for someone else.

    If you know what you are doing and have connections, you can easily work UTR and get clients. Often a much better grade of client than gals who advertise. It DEPENDS on WHO and WHAT you are and what you have to offer the hobbyist. It DEPENDS on WHO and WHAT you know. I have several friends, including a few S-Web members who do very nicely escorting UTR.

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    $400 is a lot of money in the carolinas hun. The going rate here is $200-$300 and $300 is even pushing it but at $400 I do very well for myself. When I tour up north I charge $200 extra to cover travel costs... I'm sure you know that's common practice for us.. well some not all. You'll have to be super hot to get away with that here. Up north I've seen no-so-hot escort charge $300-$400.. so you're right.. it's all about location location location.

    You're dead on. What works for one won't work for all

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    $400 is a lot of money in the carolinas hun. The going rate here is $200-$300 and $300 is even pushing it but at $400 I do very well for myself. When I tour up north I charge $200 extra to cover travel costs... I'm sure you know that's common practice for us.. well some not all. You'll have to be super hot to get away with that here. Up north I've seen no-so-hot escort charge $300-$400.. so you're right.. it's all about location location location.

    You're dead on. What works for one won't work for all
    That's right. In the Carolinas $400 is close to, if not actually in, the high end. And yes, it would be standard if you charged at least $100 an hour more if you toured NYC and at least $50 an hour more if you toured NNJ.

    Location is key and so is whether or not a gal is GFE. "Safety girls" generally get less.

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    That's right. In the Carolinas $400 is close to, if not actually in, the high end. And yes, it would be standard if you charged at least $100 an hour more if you toured NYC and at least $50 an hour more if you toured NNJ.

    Location is key and so is whether or not a gal is GFE. "Safety girls" generally get less.
    Funnny you said that. On an escort board I'm apart of I asked the guys if they weren't scared of catching an STD from girls that CIM and they said NO. They were saying the risks are low bla bla bla... another girl got in the discussion and said "Yeah start doing CIM like me and charge $800 an hour" Um no LMAO.

    However I'll have to disagree and say that HOT safety girls .. are able to still demand higher fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    Funnny you said that. On an escort board I'm apart of I asked the guys if they weren't scared of catching an STD from girls that CIM and they said NO. They were saying the risks are low bla bla bla... another girl got in the discussion and said "Yeah start doing CIM like me and charge $800 an hour" Um no LMAO.

    However I'll have to disagree and say that HOT safety girls .. are able to still demand higher fees.
    CIM is NOT necessarily part of standard GFE. BBBJ Yes but not CIM. Now they have "Enhanced GFE" which afaic is just a glorified way of saying PSE. I'd prefer GFE myself, but not without a healthy dollop of common sense.

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    CIM is NOT necessarily part of standard GFE. BBBJ Yes but not CIM. Now they have "Enhanced GFE" which afaic is just a glorified way of saying PSE. I'd prefer GFE myself, but not without a healthy dollop of common sense.
    The girl that told me this was PSE. She has a seperate rate for PSE and GFE. I'm all GFE. I think PSE activities are a little too risky for me and no amount of money is worth me doing ALL that (Greek, CIM... etc) However eric, In boston a girl that won't do CIM is not considered GFE.. to them.. I know.. gross. ugh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    The girl that told me this was PSE. She has a seperate rate for PSE and GFE. I'm all GFE. I think PSE activities are a little too risky for me and no amount of money is worth me doing ALL that (Greek, CIM... etc) However eric, In boston a girl that won't do CIM is not considered GFE.. to them.. I know.. gross. ugh!
    Is that right ? One little reasonable safety measure and she's NOT "gfe" in Boston ? Fortunately it still can be omitted in N.Y. and elsewhere while retaining the coveted label. Likewise PSE can mean Greek travel is included or it can mean barebacking. Fortunately, from what I am hearing, a lot of gals are backtracking and insisting on some basic safety measures e.g. no CIM, no bareback even with a current AIM test etc. Some hobbyists are getting it too and realize that some limits make sense for THEIR safety and not just the lady's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Is that right ? One little reasonable safety measure and she's NOT "gfe" in Boston ? Fortunately it still can be omitted in N.Y. and elsewhere while retaining the coveted label. Likewise PSE can mean Greek travel is included or it can mean barebacking. Fortunately, from what I am hearing, a lot of gals are backtracking and insisting on some basic safety measures e.g. no CIM, no bareback even with a current AIM test etc. Some hobbyists are getting it too and realize that some limits make sense for THEIR safety and not just the lady's.
    To me...

    GFE means you kiss, cuddle and basically act like a girlfriend. It may or may not mean BBBJ. It DOES NOT mean CIM. I dislike kissing strangers with open mouth so I will never be GFE.

    PSE implies vocal, dirty talk, many positions, wild, "cum on me, make me your whore", raunchy but SAFE play ... anal may not be offered but it usually is an extra charge. I think PSE is more attitude than anything and have had clients describe me as PSE despite never allowing CIM or Greek. It's all about the fantasy...

    Everyone's def. is different though. Our goal as escorts is to make the guy feel he got his money's worth and leave with a huge grin, and you don't need labels for that.

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    To me...

    GFE means you kiss, cuddle and basically act like a girlfriend. It may or may not mean BBBJ. It DOES NOT mean CIM. I dislike kissing strangers with open mouth so I will never be GFE.

    PSE implies vocal, dirty talk, many positions, wild, "cum on me, make me your whore", raunchy but SAFE play ... anal may not be offered but it usually is an extra charge. I think PSE is more attitude than anything and have had clients describe me as PSE despite never allowing CIM or Greek. It's all about the fantasy...

    Everyone's def. is different though. Our goal as escorts is to make the guy feel he got his money's worth and leave with a huge grin, and you don't need labels for that.
    You're certainly entitled to your own personal nomenclature but " Islandgirlcoco" and I were using terms as most commonly defined and understood by most folks in and around the escort biz.. At a minimum , GFE is understood to include DFK, DATY and BBBJ ( not necessarily to completion). PSE involves more - Greek , CIM, bareback. At least one but necessarily all. I know of more than one porn gal who advertised herself as "PSE" and turned out to be total "safety girl" in session : No kissing, everything covered. A couple reviews and their bookings dried up. Point being, there is a bolt for every nut. It is generally not advisable to bill yourself as "GFE" if you don't wish to provide the services commonly understood to be included. GFE means "Girlfriend Experience" NOT "Girlfriend Impersonator". Nothing wrong with kissin and cuddlin but it ain't necessarily "GFE" for any seasoned hobbyist. "Safety girls" get plenty of bookings. Plenty of guys don't want or need GFE. Others are bigger germaphobes than some of the gals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    The girl that told me this was PSE. She has a seperate rate for PSE and GFE. I'm all GFE. I think PSE activities are a little too risky for me and no amount of money is worth me doing ALL that (Greek, CIM... etc) However eric, In boston a girl that won't do CIM is not considered GFE.. to them.. I know.. gross. ugh!
    This is simply not true. BBBJ is GFE, CIM is not required. If you know a girl who was told that by one guy in Boston he was simply trying to talk her into doing CIM and probably threatening her with a bad review if she didn't. Some guys are jerks but GFE in Boston is no different than anywhere else that I have hobbied...NYC, LA, Miami, Chicago to name a few.
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    GFE CAN be fully covered. I know wonderful ladies who get great rates and GFE reviews and do everything covered. I said I am not GFE because I don't want to open mouth kiss someone - a peck on the lips is fine, having some strangers tongue swirl around my tonsils makes me ill.

    And bareback girls are really risking a lot. Even with a clear AIM test/bill of health how can they know the guy they're seeing didn't have unprotected gay sex? CL and it's casual encounters has made hooking up way too easy and convenient - I quit doing bbbj (and NEVER to completion) after a guy, in postcoital cuddle, told me about an amazing all male threeway he had the week before and how he was "worried now cuz they didn't wrap up". I will never forget the sinking feeling in my stomach.

    When a man contacts me and even ASKS for BB sex, he goes on my DO NOT SEE list. I also know of other ladies who do offer BB FS - client who has ED issues admitted to me a couple of names, another client confirmed he too was offered this - and I try not to see guys who have seen them. It's amazing what some people will do for an extra $100...because let's be real, not every BB provider is getting THOUSANDS for her risk.
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