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    ^^ Can you elaborate?

    I'm not saying they're perfect; there are plenty of cultural biases and they don't account for all types of intelligence either. I don't think there are too many "false positives" in terms of people getting high scores without being very smart, though.

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    Someone wrote a book about geniuses a short while ago and one conclusion was it took 10,000 hours of practice to become a "genius" level practitioner. I think men are much more obsessive compulsive about things like this and fits in better with male personalities.

    This may be another reason why women are no doubt saner than men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lol1337a View Post
    ^^ Can you elaborate?

    I'm not saying they're perfect; there are plenty of cultural biases and they don't account for all types of intelligence either. I don't think there are too many "false positives" in terms of people getting high scores without being very smart, though.
    Schools have dumb down the IQ test to make parents think their kids have a chance when its only a chance for them to waste money on tutors and for nonexistent jobs. I have met many people with so called low IQs surpassed people that boast about their high IQs. I believe that a genius isn't counted by a test, its counted by what and how they do it. A person no matter what their race or sex is, if they can look at the world around them and create something that can move others generations after that fact and no matter the canvas. Good and bad...

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    Perhaps it is because men geniuses are more interested than women geniuses in showing off how smart they are. The woman genius knows she is smart and that is enough. The man genius needs others to tell him how smart he is.

    Please, tell me how smart I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redwolf View Post
    The woman genius knows she is smart and that is enough. The man genius needs others to tell him how smart he is.
    Sorry, I don't buy this. Admittedly men often tend to want to dominate conversations and prove how knowledgeable they are--but I haven't noticed that the men who do this are any smarter than anyone else. I have sat and listened to really stupid fucking guys pull this shit innumerable times. And a few women as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sananeko View Post
    Schools have dumb down the IQ test to make parents think their kids have a chance when its only a chance for them to waste money on tutors and for nonexistent jobs. I have met many people with so called low IQs surpassed people that boast about their high IQs. I believe that a genius isn't counted by a test, its counted by what and how they do it. A person no matter what their race or sex is, if they can look at the world around them and create something that can move others generations after that fact and no matter the canvas. Good and bad...
    Schools don't make IQ tests, and it's not that common for students to take them. The most popular tests are the Wescheler and the Stanford Binet, which are both run through independent agencies. You may be referring to the Flynn effect, which is a trend of increased scores when outdated tests are used, and this can be attributed to anything from test familiarity to increasing overall fitness due to improved medical care and nutrition over time. The tests are updated often, though, and results are always scored upon a standard distribution that is periodically reset. The average score is always set at 100 regardless of how high the raw score may be , so IQ tests "mean" the same as they always have. I do agree with you that IQ doesn't equate with genius, although it does highly correlate. Intelligence is one thing, but genius necessitates creating a "work of genius."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Interesting you should mention these two. Though intellectual genius is one thing, but the political savvy and charisma necessary to rival the achievements of these two might be another. Plenty of the world's greatest leaders have been lacking in sheer brainpower, I suspect. It is far better to be shrewd than a genius, when dominating your fellow men and women.

    Other women, if we consider the ability to rule an empire to be the equivalent of genius, would be Hatsepshut, Catherine the Great, Theodora (the real power behind 'Justinian the Great'), Empress Dowager Cixi. I know there are more but I have been partying lol.


    My favorite woman of all time, though:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artemisia_I_of_Caria

    What the article doesn't tell you, though is the tale of possibly the most outrageous military coup ever, pulled off by Artemisia at the battle of Salamis. She commanded 5 ships there as a semi-voluntary ally of the Persian Empire; as all the Ionian Greeks were pretty much required to contribute to the war effort.

    When it looked like the Persians were losing, and a bunch of Greek triremes were running down on her ass, she turned and rammed another Persian Allied ship. So the Greeks chasing her thought she was one of them, and left her alone. She was able to get away, unlike the majority of the other Persian and allied ships.

    Xerxes was watching the battle from a high mountainous promontory. When he saw what Artemisia did, he supposedly remarked 'My women have become men, and my men women.' She had advised him not to do what he did at Salamis, BTW--arguably the single most decisive battle in history.

    It didn't hurt that the ship she rammed was commanded by another Persian ally who had been an asshole to her before.

    And Theodora was a burlesque dancer when she met Justinian

    I saw this little doodle of Hatshepsut buttfucking one of her boyfriends> It was meant to be a piece of grafitti. Cute. Very cute

    There was another Artemesia but she wasn't as much of a badass. she just sat around and moped for her dead husband Mausolus.. That's where we get the term mausoleum.

    Alexander may have been great, but the women in his life were something else. His mom Olympias was a snake worshipper who had his dad bumped off. She was one of 7 women in Philip's harem, and she didn't take any of his shit.

    His wife Roxane was another crazy chick. When she found out that he married some other bitch, she had her murdered and tossed into a well.
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    This thread reminds me why I love you all. Great topic OP.

    I think it's greatly possible there are so many unknown historical female geniuses. Ancient Gaul is widely reputed for not keeping written records. They relied solely on oral tradition. This also made it very easy for the Romans to rewrite history and record events in the way that presented their empire as victorious, the Gauls as barbaric, and celebrating female intelligence did not mesh well with that! Women in Gaul were allowed to have wealth, so I imagine they had more access to education.

    There's also the ancient widespread practice of burning literature when an enemy empire seized another....an exhibition of dominance, a method to disconnect the people from the past and force them into the new regime. It pains me to think how much history and knowledge was lost in burnt papyrus and scrolls (or is sitting in some black market collector's archive).

    I suppose it depends on how we define genius. Chess players often excel at strategy and advance visual planning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Other women, if we consider the ability to rule an empire to be the equivalent of genius, would be Hatsepshut, Catherine the Great, Theodora (the real power behind 'Justinian the Great'), Empress Dowager Cixi. I know there are more but I have been partying lol.


    Empress Wu Zetian was actually way cooler. Only female empress (in the sense of Reigning Female Emperor) in Chinese history, and she also spent time being a concubine AND a monk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy this. Admittedly men often tend to want to dominate conversations and prove how knowledgeable they are--but I haven't noticed that the men who do this are any smarter than anyone else. I have sat and listened to really stupid fucking guys pull this shit innumerable times. And a few women as well.
    I've had guys pull this. I've had guys tell me things trying to look smart that were false. I've had guys use words that didn't fit where they thought they did. Ever see the show In Living Color and the illiterate guy named Oswald who would use words that didn't fit? (clips are on YouTube if people forget this). I've known guys who did this.

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    ^^^I will never forget visiting Daytona Beach a little while after I got hired down here, and stopping by a club I used to work. Two managers were outside, and somehow the question of how to spell the word 'bachelor' came up.

    I told them the correct spelling, but since I was formerly only a DJ, they (sort of politely) dismissed my answer, and proceeded to discuss it for about ten minutes, coming up with several weird variations, and finally congratulating themselves with some successful minor butchery of the English language.

    It was a very amusing 'slice of life' illustration of a couple of not quite really, really stupid guys, with a little success under their belts propping them up, trying to be dominant males with The Answer. I stood there wondering whether to try to correct them, but knowing it would be useless and possibly antagonizing to them. It was far more entertaining just listening to them go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Sorry, I don't buy this. Admittedly men often tend to want to dominate conversations and prove how knowledgeable they are--but I haven't noticed that the men who do this are any smarter than anyone else.
    I never suggested that every man who wants to dominate conversations and prove how knowledgeable he is is a genius.

    Some men who are geniuses like to show it off:
    1) some men geniuses are not show-offs
    2) not every man show-off is a genius

    I merely entertained the hypothesis that if geniuses reside among men and women equally, perhaps we see more men geniuses because more of them are out to show-off or prove themselves to others.

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