Hehe i joined also before i realised the minimim payout.
But whats more on my mind , hehe , the logo is the zantrec(sc) commercial girl.
"its great to be thin" hehe.




Hehe i joined also before i realised the minimim payout.
But whats more on my mind , hehe , the logo is the zantrec(sc) commercial girl.
"its great to be thin" hehe.
Americanmade18 on most sites.
Hi everyone -
Thanks for all the positive comments and to those who have already signed up. We've read your concerns about the $500 target with interest.
Our thinking behind the target is:
1/. We want the site to have a community feel. We don't want the members getting fed up with the fact that they make a connection with a Virtual Girlfriend one day and she's gone the next. A low target makes this kind of turnover more likely.
2/. Fraud considerations. A significant level of chargebacks come from guys who wish they hadn't spent $x online last night and file a fake fraudulent use complaint with their credit card company. A guy that feels he knows you and has bought several of your content packages is less likely to be asking his credit card company for the money back than a once only purchaser. Again a $500 target helps with stability.
3/. The 'Get her to her goal' dynamic. We've seen this in action elsewhere - where members get behind a girl to push her to her payout target. If there's no real goal then you don't get that 'backing my girl' push to your earnings. The goal makes the site a challenge and then a purchase isn't just a penny in the slot for something, it's a campaign donation to your target, being part of your journey. Sounds crazy? We think that in this type of project a proper goal is important to how the members feel about their involvement - they think of themselves less as purchasers and more as backers. Maybe that is crazy, but it seems to be important. We think that having members think of themselves as part of your goal team, rather than just as casual purchasers will actually benefit the speed at which everyone earns and positively build relationships that lead to further sales.
4/. Overheads. As you've probably already figured, we've cut our margins leanly to make the site as rewarding as possible for our Virtual Girlfriends. Naturally a $500 goal cuts down on our administration costs.
Would love to hear your views on this and any further suggestions. Thanks again for all your comments so far.
regardless $500 is high and I suspect lots will give up.




$500 is too high for sure. I kind of understand the 'community feel' point about girls leaving, but I'm not sure I understand how the 'fraud considerations' justification works, unless they're just saying they want to keep more of our money for longer in case of charge backs? Whether they pay out to the girls or not doesn't really influence how many purchases guys make.
Personally, I don't want to be sharing with guys how much $ I need before payout. I totally understand the 'goal' of number one spot eg on MFC, and how guys like to see their fave at number one, but I'm not at all sure that translates into payout. Like, if I were a guy I'd be pretty pissed off if I got girls begging going... please please, I just need ($495) more to payout!
The other issue for me is, I like to be able to have people I know confirm that they have been paid by companies before I sign up. We're going to be waiting a while before there are many girls who are going to confirm that the payout is genuine.
I hope it does well though.
I agree, I joined but have not completed the id process for the $500 payout min. That is insanse and with a new site that could take months to reach that so you are really doing it all for free IMO





another concern may be that, if your NOT legit in the end, they are out of $500 and thats ALOT in one shot.
$500?? Even if there is reasoning behind it, it can't be set that way without a track record that traffic can provide that amount in a reasonable time, or a company pays out.
1/. We want the site to have a community feel. We don't want the members getting fed up with the fact that they make a connection with a Virtual Girlfriend one day and she's gone the next. A low target makes this kind of turnover more likely.
I think girls will be more likely to get fed up if they feel $500 is too far away for them to get to if it is progressing slowly, which is going to happen with a new site.
You have to invest in the girls for them to invest all that time in your new company with essentially no way of knowing when to expect pay. IMO girls will be more likely to stay on the faster they see their money paid out.
2/. Fraud considerations. A significant level of chargebacks come from guys who wish they hadn't spent $x online last night and file a fake fraudulent use complaint with their credit card company. A guy that feels he knows you and has bought several of your content packages is less likely to be asking his credit card company for the money back than a once only purchaser. Again a $500 target helps with stability.
IMO this won't make a difference to fraud. The only stability it gives is that the company has a pool of the girls money to absorb chargebacks. It's just like a funds hold that some camsites (unfairly) have.
3/. The 'Get her to her goal' dynamic. We've seen this in action elsewhere - where members get behind a girl to push her to her payout target. If there's no real goal then you don't get that 'backing my girl' push to your earnings. The goal makes the site a challenge and then a purchase isn't just a penny in the slot for something, it's a campaign donation to your target, being part of your journey. Sounds crazy? We think that in this type of project a proper goal is important to how the members feel about their involvement - they think of themselves less as purchasers and more as backers. Maybe that is crazy, but it seems to be important. We think that having members think of themselves as part of your goal team, rather than just as casual purchasers will actually benefit the speed at which everyone earns and positively build relationships that lead to further sales.
As someone else said about MFC, it makes sense if the goal is to get a girl to #1, but if a girl is seen to be begging for money to get to her payout, this is really unattractive. I've seen members to other camsites complain if girls get to asking too much for gifts/$. The guys like to feel like they're not under duress to spend. Reminding them here and there is no prob... but when the target is $500... I hope you've got some wealthy traffic coming in!
4/. Overheads. As you've probably already figured, we've cut our margins leanly to make the site as rewarding as possible for our Virtual Girlfriends. Naturally a $500 goal cuts down on our administration costs.
Understood, but you're looking at this from a different perspective than that of a girl or camgirl. There are many companies who have come and gone or not paid out or basically just been sketchy. Until somewhere has a track record, it is hard to expect the girls to take on the majority of your companies risk without proof of the traffic you're offering, or evidence of paying out on time.
That's my 2 cents. I think you will have difficulty getting girls to sign up or stay when they realize that's the payout level. It will honestly lead you to a higher turnover of girls, not a lower turnover.





Yeah, Im not even going to bother with it with that high a payout to reach. Pretty much would take forever to get any money on a brand new site like that.
Here lately Im dropping nearly all the sites that take a long time to pay me and concentrating on the sites that pay fast with lower payouts (with the exception of adultwork which takes a couple weeks to get my pay, but I kept that one because of having a lot of regulars on there and the payout threshold is very low too).
On the subject of being wary of getting involved in web projects without a track record, I totally understand. As a developer I've been burned more than once myself. On the other hand I imagine that there have also been plenty of cases of established organisations vanishing without paying their bills too. Everyone was a start-up once.
As for the possibility that it might be a scam, that would seem a bit crazy. If you're making money for you then you're making money for us too. Why mess with that? If you're worth stealing from, you're surely worth way more carrying on doing what you do well and letting us take our cut.
So the $500 is a deal breaker for some. It's fair to say that when we came up with that figure our thinking was that the women would see it as not too tough but the members would see it as a goal challenge. Any suggestions as to what would be a better figure (bearing in mind that we still want to keep an element of goal challenge for the reasons stated before).
We really appreciate the feedback - and if it leads to our site being the kind of place that more of you want to work with that would be even better.





Are you saying that members are going to be able to view how much money we have made or how far we are from payout?
That's never EVER been something I would consider sharing with a customer.
Just to give you some idea of payout thresholds:
- Imlive $50 for payout
- Adultwork 30 for check, 50 for Payoneer (that particular one is in pounds not dollars)
- Streamate $20 for check, $100 for Payoneer transfer
- Ifriends and Camcontacts $100 for payout
I think $100 Would be much better. $200 at the very most.
Girls can still set higher goals and share those with the members, but being able to collect that money in intervals is much more comfortable.





$200 is the highest im going EVER.
It may have already been said but if it takes a girl a super long time to get to $500 she might take her money and never come back again. That's not really community building. That's if she even waits that long though.
I agree that a lot of girls may end up just giving up.




A girl having to beg members to give her money so she can collect her paycheck doesn't sound sexy at all to me. Sounds sad. "Come on, hun, just buy this naked photo set and I can FINALLY get the money I earned and buy myself some food!"
500$ payout is ridiculously high. I'd never ever venture into camming with a new site that has such a payout limit. As girls who have more experience than me said: on a new site, making that sort of money could last for months.
Also, one of the perks of adult industry is getting your money FAST. And what if I was working on your site and made 350$ (which is not so little money, my rent is that much, for comparison; though admittedly, my rent is low) and for whichever reason I decided I don't like it. I either have to bust my ass off to get to the 500$ or leave you my hard earned money.
Yeah. You're not really pulling the girls in with this strategy.
It seems to me that is another of those "adult social" projects, that want the girls to work and work and work with the smallest benefit for her in return. The only one winning here is the site owners. So if they make it hard for the girl to achieve and receive her pay, she will have to work 5 times harder for a crappy pay at the end, but giving content and traffic to the site.
Also, at the end, if you leave the site after a while, they wont care, you already posted content, busted your butt for free trying to reach that ridiculous goal of $500.





Exactly. It's none of their damn business how much I've earned or how far I am from payout and there is no way I would share that with any customer, ever.
Very good way to completely turn off a high roller who might have spent a lot on you.
If you do well you'll get the jealous idiots who will try to talk you down in price because you are making "so much money" and if you don't do well you will get the other kind of idiots who try to give advice as if they know how to help and expect freebies in return.
This is why I get the impression that the owner of this site doesn't have a ton of experience in this industry as he doesn't seem to understand the nature of the customers. Correct me if I'm wrong??
When I'm on cam, I thrive on presenting a fairly high class image to the customers, as do most camgirls who are in this seriously. We spend a lot on the image we put out there, as the guys are paying for that- the fantasy. If suddenly I start begging to hit a payout, it completely destroys that. What's attractive about a girl who's sounding needy? Aside of the fact it is annoying to customers to be bothered in that way. They like to feel like they are spoiling you, not responding to being asked. We hate when guys beg from us, so it goes without saying, they hate it the other way around!
It is an adult social network project - but as you can get almost whatever you want for free on the web now, content with a personal connection is one of the few things that you can still hang a price tag on (so we're happy to be what we are).
As for the idea that participation would give women the smallest benefit in return, the women decide what to offer and at what price and $1 spent on their content is worth $1 to them (which is completely transparent and considerably better payment for effort than elsewhere).
You're right, if people leave before they get paid then the site gets a bonus, but it obviously works best for us if the women that participate are happy and keep participating. Working on the basis that women can't achieve their payout goal would give the project a very short shelf life. As said, we're reviewing the total required in response to the useful comments we've received. It was never our intention to come up with a payout total that would generally be considered unachievable.
We want our site to be as good as it can be for everyone involved. We're actively considering all of the valuable feedback we've been getting from this forum to help make that happen. Many thanks again to all of you for your input.
Woohoo!



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Last edited by Afroangel; 04-04-2012 at 09:29 AM.

I dunno. I'm in. Sounds good to me, and I like the idea of MGF. Plus, it would be nice to just "get" a $500 check one day. I'd feel so accomplished, and rich. lol. But yeah, I see what you mean about what if it never does come. That kinda sucks. Maybe they should pay out that $25 signing up bonus right away, so that we know that we can trusy them, and so we can see how payment works. Just an idea.




That's a good idea.
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Agreed x100 that the $500 min payday is a bit much. 500 is not ridiculous, I cash out at $500-700 on MGF. But MGF is a bit more established, and they have customers already. Its a bit unnerving to think I'm going to work creating content for an up and coming site then possibly never see a check, or see not see it till months down the road. Its not clear that VLA has the client base to support the big paydays just yet. I suggest a $250 payout.
Anywhoooo I am going to bite the bullet and sign up. I like that I don't have to have the cam on to make money. Some days I'd rather sit around in my sweatpants.
Will report back to you ladies!
Last edited by Lacy Luck; 12-15-2010 at 09:21 PM.
Yea I've already signed up just need to get my verification pics uploaded them I'm gonna throw all of my content up so I'm ready to go when it starts.
Does it have to be exclusive content?
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