
Originally Posted by
Bambalina
This site is really interesting. It is such a complete melting pot of ideas. I love that.
I was a webcam girl. I know EXACTLY what the job is and isn't. I fumbled around and slowly learned my chops, and then I got AE Promotion, and realized I knew nothing because this business isn't what it SEEMS. So, I made it my business to latch on like and leech and learn the ins and outs of AE promotion. My mentor now considers me good enough to take the lead on the new sites they are working on. I don't cam now. Or...Very Seldom and only for very special clients. But I DO promote a few girls RIGHT NOW. And I have promoted several over the years. And guess what? NOT ONE has failed to make GREAT money when promoted correctly. So, I don't agree that great camgirls do everything right and still fail. Sorry...I've not run into that AT ALL. I've run into lovely women doing SO MANY THINGS WRONG and I come along and shift their perspective and poke here, and tug there, and do some internet magic, and suddenly they are making $1k per week minimum and often quite a bit more. So it is a repeatable experiment that has a systematic quality to it.
But see, where we run into problems is that in every REAL way, you are 100% correct...just not your reasoning about it. There ARE too many webcam girls. Many of the girls reading this now will NEVER make very good money and should probably quit. All the stuff on here is just blowing smoke up their asses, and they will never make it...because they are the girls who will not, can not, or otherwise do not do what is necessary to make it. If I can take almost ANY female between 18 and 45 and make her a nice living doing adult stuff with webcam as their main endeavor, that means that most of the failures could have been different stories...but at what cost?
See, John the Sugardaddy has a lot of money, but ol' John is only gonna support two or three girls...So...which two or three? and the $20 Bill the medium level tipper will spend this week, well it will go somewhere...but once it is gone, Bill will not be a fountain if money who just sprouts more...In other words, the money from customers is finite, and the girls who know how to get it will win, and the ones who don't will lose....So, that means we have two VIABLE choices...
And by viable, I am saying that the choice often expressed on here, is NOT viable...which is to encourage every girl and tell her she can make it and probably will if she just hustles a little more...Hard to hustle with a freaking 700 camscore...hard to hustle when you have 3 kids around and so you only get on at 3am and 10am in the morning...and yes, hard to hustle while shivering in a blanket, when the girl next door has a warm house, a stripper pole, and $500 worth of Great toys to top off her hot VS wardrobe.
So, 2 viable options. (and a little third thing to consider)
1. Encourage the ones who will never make it to get the fuck out of the business and make room for those who have the game and the skills and the go-to spirit to make it....Kinda nasty and cut-throat though...eh? But seriously...that chick makes $120 a week...and THAT money would be going to the girls who really hustle and work it...
2. Ignore all of the shit about too many girls and not enough money and all the shit about blankets and all the shit about most girls failing, and do the SMART thing...Go GET some customers...there are at minimum 1,000,000 men right now on the internet who never actually made the trip to a webcam room and tipped and bought shows and stuff who potentially WOULD for the right woman....a MILLION of them....So...If you go get them...You beat all that other stuff.
Which brings us back to...tomorrow, on MFC, or Stream or whatever...there will be a TON of women just hoping the guy stumbles in and likes them, laying there...in a blanket...or eating KFC, or whatever....tons of them...diluting the customer base....and if we ALL went in and told them how to beat that, and how to get more money and do better, they still won't and the next day will lay there eating kfc with their mudmask on. It is the nature of the whole thing.
We weren't talking about eating, wearing face masks and all that stuff you keep talking about. You keep talking about things that has nothing to do with the topic or the original discussion. Like I said before, those are examples of being unprepared for camming live or anything that would interfere with being a quick performer or being ready to perform at any moment. Just stay on the topic and stop going off into left field b/c you're starting to sound more bogus by the minute.
So this:
"a cam model can do everything right by the book and still can't earn a decent living."
the very premise of your argument, has NO meaning....because as far as every girl I have ever worked with, if they go by the "book", they will succeed. So maybe your book and my book are different, and your "book" is one where women work hard and do it in some systematic way (which includes camming in blankets) and they fail. But maybe your "book" is flawed...if it includes things like "Camming in a blanket is OK! You'll make just as much!" then I see why gals can go "by the book" and still fail.
Secondly...sorry, you can do ok in a blanket I suppose, and I don't shank anyone nearly as bad as YOU make it out for wearing a blanket, I just say it is not a great idea...but you use these words...
I'm not talking about " my book" or "your book". You love to twist things and take them out of context. What I was talking about is the universal guide to webcamming. Usually cam models and sites advice that you: buy various outfits, wear makeup, have a well lit room, smile, flirt, and so on then you'll make it. That's bull b/c I see some beautiful women who do everything right by the cam model guides and still very rarely are they sent to privates. So all the made-up hair, all the stunning wardrobes, all the latest equipments, all the personality to light up a room, the hottest body to die for and yet no one is tipping them and yet rarely anyone is taking them private and there's a room full of people with 100+ visitors. How the heck you explain that? So you tell me it's not them they'll doing everything "right by the book". Is it their fault that most are tightwads and beggars? No. So you claim there's a 1 million guys waiting to spend on the right woman but where are they? Getting them to spend is like getting blood out of a tree.
"that interfere with stellar performances." and then say that blankets are "presentable"...well, I bet if you asked 1000 people, what are the top 3 "costumes" apropos for a sexy fantasy webcam girl...I seriously doubt even one would say wrapped up in a blanket...Lingerie, Naked, Bikini, panites and bra, whipped cream...body paints, naughty schoolgirl, Hot Nurse, french maid..I think ALL of those would lead "Wrapped in a blanket"...So I would say that "interferes with a stellar performance"...YOUR words.
It's only if one becomes a bitter cam model who does it wrong, that one becomes bitter, frustrated and realizes that camming isn't what it's cracked up to be...I mean, lemme ask the ladies here....how many of you took longer than a month to realize that the $2000 per week promised in the ads was not gonna happen without some real help?
Then you either made the best you could, got out, or got help to make the $2k a week.
I never said that blankets were presentable. I said that you can still look presentable otherwise. If you have your hair done, make-up done, and wearing a wardrobe then you are ready for camming. The only thing is that you're covered up some of the time. And for some reason, you like to keep suggesting that I said wear it's ok to wear snuggies the entire time when I said before, that a model can and should occassionally show off her bod in free chat and then covered again and repeat the process. That way she isn't freezing but she's showing off skin to whoever wants to see. But of course, you'll ignore that and instead harp on anything that you perceive as being in opposition to your viewpoints. It's obvious you have selective e-hearing and you're stuck on one thing and not the entire picture.
and this:
"in actuality it may not be them but this industry."
It IS them, AND it is this industry...
This industry is screwed up..VERY...But the biggest reason it is screwed up is because it is unequal and skewed. Because it is wrapped up in reliance on the very real inequalities in society and sexual roles, we end up with this completely unreal industry where the only people with a Product, do NOT control the market. Those who do NOT have the product and can never truly BE the producer...control the entire industry. So obviously, the most important members of the industry...the actual owners of the products, are NOT in control.
Since all it would take is for all the women who make the sex industry EXIST to go on strike for a few weeks and the whole "industry" would be on its knees, and since this never happens..it IS the fault of the women...
In effect..Streamates could NOT pay 35% if the women on Streammates refused to work for 35%...PERIOD. They would pay more if it was demanded and truly smashed their bottom line to not respond. If all the women on MFC who felt that MFC not following their own rules as regards penetration and such in public suddenly didn;t come anymore for a week, the site would see a drastic cut in traffic and revenue that would alter their following the rules drastically. If one person opened an Indy Site where the fees were a fair, low, monthly rate instead of the drastically high percentages charged for no real investment in the girls...Oops..that's me...
But THAT is the main problem we face...Until it solved..You DO have to do every little bit to get that edge...and I will always be on hand to point that out...
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