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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    This site is really interesting. It is such a complete melting pot of ideas. I love that.

    I was a webcam girl. I know EXACTLY what the job is and isn't. I fumbled around and slowly learned my chops, and then I got AE Promotion, and realized I knew nothing because this business isn't what it SEEMS. So, I made it my business to latch on like and leech and learn the ins and outs of AE promotion. My mentor now considers me good enough to take the lead on the new sites they are working on. I don't cam now. Or...Very Seldom and only for very special clients. But I DO promote a few girls RIGHT NOW. And I have promoted several over the years. And guess what? NOT ONE has failed to make GREAT money when promoted correctly. So, I don't agree that great camgirls do everything right and still fail. Sorry...I've not run into that AT ALL. I've run into lovely women doing SO MANY THINGS WRONG and I come along and shift their perspective and poke here, and tug there, and do some internet magic, and suddenly they are making $1k per week minimum and often quite a bit more. So it is a repeatable experiment that has a systematic quality to it.

    But see, where we run into problems is that in every REAL way, you are 100% correct...just not your reasoning about it. There ARE too many webcam girls. Many of the girls reading this now will NEVER make very good money and should probably quit. All the stuff on here is just blowing smoke up their asses, and they will never make it...because they are the girls who will not, can not, or otherwise do not do what is necessary to make it. If I can take almost ANY female between 18 and 45 and make her a nice living doing adult stuff with webcam as their main endeavor, that means that most of the failures could have been different stories...but at what cost?

    See, John the Sugardaddy has a lot of money, but ol' John is only gonna support two or three girls...So...which two or three? and the $20 Bill the medium level tipper will spend this week, well it will go somewhere...but once it is gone, Bill will not be a fountain if money who just sprouts more...In other words, the money from customers is finite, and the girls who know how to get it will win, and the ones who don't will lose....So, that means we have two VIABLE choices...

    And by viable, I am saying that the choice often expressed on here, is NOT viable...which is to encourage every girl and tell her she can make it and probably will if she just hustles a little more...Hard to hustle with a freaking 700 camscore...hard to hustle when you have 3 kids around and so you only get on at 3am and 10am in the morning...and yes, hard to hustle while shivering in a blanket, when the girl next door has a warm house, a stripper pole, and $500 worth of Great toys to top off her hot VS wardrobe.

    So, 2 viable options. (and a little third thing to consider)

    1. Encourage the ones who will never make it to get the fuck out of the business and make room for those who have the game and the skills and the go-to spirit to make it....Kinda nasty and cut-throat though...eh? But seriously...that chick makes $120 a week...and THAT money would be going to the girls who really hustle and work it...

    2. Ignore all of the shit about too many girls and not enough money and all the shit about blankets and all the shit about most girls failing, and do the SMART thing...Go GET some customers...there are at minimum 1,000,000 men right now on the internet who never actually made the trip to a webcam room and tipped and bought shows and stuff who potentially WOULD for the right woman....a MILLION of them....So...If you go get them...You beat all that other stuff.

    Which brings us back to...tomorrow, on MFC, or Stream or whatever...there will be a TON of women just hoping the guy stumbles in and likes them, laying there...in a blanket...or eating KFC, or whatever....tons of them...diluting the customer base....and if we ALL went in and told them how to beat that, and how to get more money and do better, they still won't and the next day will lay there eating kfc with their mudmask on. It is the nature of the whole thing.


    We weren't talking about eating, wearing face masks and all that stuff you keep talking about. You keep talking about things that has nothing to do with the topic or the original discussion. Like I said before, those are examples of being unprepared for camming live or anything that would interfere with being a quick performer or being ready to perform at any moment. Just stay on the topic and stop going off into left field b/c you're starting to sound more bogus by the minute.



    So this:

    "a cam model can do everything right by the book and still can't earn a decent living."

    the very premise of your argument, has NO meaning....because as far as every girl I have ever worked with, if they go by the "book", they will succeed. So maybe your book and my book are different, and your "book" is one where women work hard and do it in some systematic way (which includes camming in blankets) and they fail. But maybe your "book" is flawed...if it includes things like "Camming in a blanket is OK! You'll make just as much!" then I see why gals can go "by the book" and still fail.

    Secondly...sorry, you can do ok in a blanket I suppose, and I don't shank anyone nearly as bad as YOU make it out for wearing a blanket, I just say it is not a great idea...but you use these words...


    I'm not talking about " my book" or "your book". You love to twist things and take them out of context. What I was talking about is the universal guide to webcamming. Usually cam models and sites advice that you: buy various outfits, wear makeup, have a well lit room, smile, flirt, and so on then you'll make it. That's bull b/c I see some beautiful women who do everything right by the cam model guides and still very rarely are they sent to privates. So all the made-up hair, all the stunning wardrobes, all the latest equipments, all the personality to light up a room, the hottest body to die for and yet no one is tipping them and yet rarely anyone is taking them private and there's a room full of people with 100+ visitors. How the heck you explain that? So you tell me it's not them they'll doing everything "right by the book". Is it their fault that most are tightwads and beggars? No. So you claim there's a 1 million guys waiting to spend on the right woman but where are they? Getting them to spend is like getting blood out of a tree.


    "that interfere with stellar performances." and then say that blankets are "presentable"...well, I bet if you asked 1000 people, what are the top 3 "costumes" apropos for a sexy fantasy webcam girl...I seriously doubt even one would say wrapped up in a blanket...Lingerie, Naked, Bikini, panites and bra, whipped cream...body paints, naughty schoolgirl, Hot Nurse, french maid..I think ALL of those would lead "Wrapped in a blanket"...So I would say that "interferes with a stellar performance"...YOUR words.

    It's only if one becomes a bitter cam model who does it wrong, that one becomes bitter, frustrated and realizes that camming isn't what it's cracked up to be...I mean, lemme ask the ladies here....how many of you took longer than a month to realize that the $2000 per week promised in the ads was not gonna happen without some real help?

    Then you either made the best you could, got out, or got help to make the $2k a week.

    I never said that blankets were presentable. I said that you can still look presentable otherwise. If you have your hair done, make-up done, and wearing a wardrobe then you are ready for camming. The only thing is that you're covered up some of the time. And for some reason, you like to keep suggesting that I said wear it's ok to wear snuggies the entire time when I said before, that a model can and should occassionally show off her bod in free chat and then covered again and repeat the process. That way she isn't freezing but she's showing off skin to whoever wants to see. But of course, you'll ignore that and instead harp on anything that you perceive as being in opposition to your viewpoints. It's obvious you have selective e-hearing and you're stuck on one thing and not the entire picture.



    and this:

    "in actuality it may not be them but this industry."

    It IS them, AND it is this industry...

    This industry is screwed up..VERY...But the biggest reason it is screwed up is because it is unequal and skewed. Because it is wrapped up in reliance on the very real inequalities in society and sexual roles, we end up with this completely unreal industry where the only people with a Product, do NOT control the market. Those who do NOT have the product and can never truly BE the producer...control the entire industry. So obviously, the most important members of the industry...the actual owners of the products, are NOT in control.

    Since all it would take is for all the women who make the sex industry EXIST to go on strike for a few weeks and the whole "industry" would be on its knees, and since this never happens..it IS the fault of the women...

    In effect..Streamates could NOT pay 35% if the women on Streammates refused to work for 35%...PERIOD. They would pay more if it was demanded and truly smashed their bottom line to not respond. If all the women on MFC who felt that MFC not following their own rules as regards penetration and such in public suddenly didn;t come anymore for a week, the site would see a drastic cut in traffic and revenue that would alter their following the rules drastically. If one person opened an Indy Site where the fees were a fair, low, monthly rate instead of the drastically high percentages charged for no real investment in the girls...Oops..that's me...

    But THAT is the main problem we face...Until it solved..You DO have to do every little bit to get that edge...and I will always be on hand to point that out...

    B



    That's a totally different topic and we weren't discussing cam rules, pay out percentages, women demanding this & that, and all that mumbo jumbo you're spewing out. Look it's obvious that you're argumentative and like to play this back-and-forth game and you this attention but I said what I said and you nor any one else can convince me otherwise b/c I've seen it before too many times to have an actual basis moreso than what you state otherwise. You can keep on if you want but it stops with me and I'll just put you on ignore mode and then you can look foolish continually arguing when I don't respond back. I'm done with this topic.

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    Default Re: Some thoughts on Camming - especially on MFC

    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
    Like I said before, those are examples of being unprepared for camming live or anything that would interfere with being a quick performer or being ready to perform at any moment.


    And like I said...since ANY MOMENT as you say, includes FIRST IMPRESSIONS, then we disagree. I think it is in the same area as eating or mud masks or otherwise appearing oncam in an unprepared way. Because MANY MANY men peek into your room, watch for like 2-3 seconds and leave, and it happens all the time and fast...so blankets will hamper your retention of those guys. Argue all you want...it is truth.

    That being said, I will once again say, let's agree to disagree about blankets, and move on to the more pressing points we BOTH touch on. Forget the stupid blanket. Wear one...decorate your walls with them...start a site called BlanketCam...it's all ok with me...

    What I keep replying to is an internal contradiction you seem to not see in your logic...where it won't really affect things that you wear a blanket and give peeks and so on....but that camming is grueling hard world where it is almost a guaranteed failure and doing stuff to look great or improve yourself or whatever is pretty much useless..."The Universal Guide to Camming" is a lie and this is one motherfucker of a job! But wearing a blanket won't hurt anything....

    Do you not see how at ODDS these two positions are?

    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
    What I was talking about is the universal guide to webcamming.


    Ok, now we've parted company with reality. Sorry, but I am unaware of this "Universal Guide to Webcamming"...Who wrote this guide? Who verified it as "Universal"?

    You and I don't even have an argument here. You can keep arguing all you want, but all the "Mumbo-Jumbo" I spew...is exactly about the SAME thing you are saying here.

    But are you telling me that you buy into the sham the men try to sell us to snare us into working even if we're destined to fail??

    Just because something appears in writing on the internet, is meaningless. I can find you where people write that if you sell Amway you can't possibly go wrong, and they print guides for it...in fact for HUNDREDS of MLM businesses and pyramid schemes, and they all say you'll get rich before you know it, with almost no work if you follow the plan. Yet everyone who does those schemes FAILS, and the company and the reps blame them for some intrinsic weakness or some flaw in their "working the plan"...The same is true of a LOT of the affiliate marketing world, wholesale from home, door to door sales, and MOST telemarketing.

    "If you just would have worked it a little harder, or followed the plan a little better, you'd have made it..."

    But to believe that "universal guide to webcamming" is extremely naive. Most women realize within 2-3 weeks that the "just get on and look decent, and you'll make $2k a week" spiel is a mean joke designed to suck in hopeful young women.

    So we're on the same darn page here.

    Where we part company is that in Webcam, there IS a way to do it and succeed and pretty much every woman COULD do it. It just isn't part of the "universal guide"...it's all the stuff posted about on this board, which ISN'T the stuff you're talking about....

    So, guess what?...my advice about blankets...doesn't apply to that, because the girls on here reading that advice, ALREADY KNOW that the Universal Guide to Camming is a fucking sham. But it being a sham doesn't change the fact that it is still correct to say that appearing online as a fantasy sex girl means that one should try not to do so covered in a blanket....bad first impression most times...especially when "Sexy Sarah" nextdoor is swinging naked on a trapeze while fucking herself with a live swordfish....follow?

    Have a sense of humor...don't take this all so seriously...this is a silly discussion on an internet forum...no big deal...and I'm some asshole with an opinion, just like all the other assholes on the internet...I'M PROBABLY WRONG, as are we all much of the time. But I still think that to avoid wearing a blanket, and investing in a heater is (in general) usually GREAT advice. Feel free to argue all you want.

    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
    That's bull b/c I see some beautiful women who do everything right by the cam model guides and still very rarely are they sent to privates. So all the made-up hair, all the stunning wardrobes, all the latest equipments, all the personality to light up a room, the hottest body to die for and yet no one is tipping them and yet rarely anyone is taking them private and there's a room full of people with 100+ visitors. How the heck you explain that? So you tell me it's not them they'll doing everything "right by the book". Is it their fault that most are tightwads and beggars? No. So you claim there's a 1 million guys waiting to spend on the right woman but where are they? Getting them to spend is like getting blood out of a tree.
    Well, with all you say...if you go to Stream or MFC or IMLive, or the Indy sites, you will see there are women there who will ALL laugh in your face, because they are making $1000-$10000 per week. In fact, go to MFC right NOW and I guarantee the top three girls by camscore who AREN'T porn Stars, that are on RIGHT now, make over $2500 per week. The ONLY time this isn't true is sunday afternoons and 4-7am in the morning...pretty much all other times this is truth. MFC itself has at least 100 or more girls making over $2000 per WEEK. And some of them are LESS "pretty" than the ones making crap. So obviously there IS a way to make those trees bleed money, isn't there? You're just mad that you don't know the answer. That isn't MY fault.

    Overall, probably 2500 girls in this business make over $1000-$2000 oer week, every week...and 90% of them know the same things....figure those things out, and you will make the bigger money. It isn't really rocket science.


    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
    I never said that blankets were presentable. I said that you can still look presentable otherwise.


    Ok, I'm a poor reader then:

    You:
    "Therefore wearing a blanket doesn't compare because you can look presentable and ready at any moment; the only thing is that you're wrapped up."

    Because that reads to me like you think blankets are presentable attire. If you had said "under the blanket you can look presentable" then MAYBE I would have read it the way you say it up there...But you didn't.

    Sorry. Just sayin'

    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
    you like to keep suggesting that I said wear it's ok to wear snuggies the entire time


    Now, lets discuss selective e-hearing, and even "Making Shit Up"...

    Where did I ever say anything about wearing snuggies the Entire Time? Where did I ever use the word snuggies? Where did I say you said that?

    Not only do you put words in my mouth I've NEVER said...but you put words in my mouth REPEATEDLY when you say I like "to keep suggesting" as if I have done this repeatedly...I never said what you wrote up there...

    However, when you say a few lines later that whoever needs to see her nakedness CAN...that is FALSE, because the Sugar Daddy peeking in for a second to see what this woman looks like, sees a damn BLANKET. And then he leaves and goes to the room with the Mulatto Girl and the Finnish Princess doing 69 while in a giant aquarium filled with glowing jell-o...and he tips those girls $200...see?

    Quote Originally Posted by rainwater View Post
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    That's a totally different topic and we weren't discussing cam rules, pay out percentages, women demanding this & that, and all that mumbo jumbo you're spewing out. Look it's obvious that you're argumentative and like to play this back-and-forth game and you this attention but I said what I said and you nor any one else can convince me otherwise b/c I've seen it before too many times to have an actual basis moreso than what you state otherwise. You can keep on if you want but it stops with me and I'll just put you on ignore mode and then you can look foolish continually arguing when I don't respond back. I'm done with this topic.
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    Put me on ignore, don't put me on ignore. Your choice. And as for selective E-hearing, how do you miss the part where I say repeatedly that it doesn't really matter one way or another to me whether a girl wears a blanket, and that overall I don't have much problem with blankets, and that you seem to have leapt on me like some sort of werewolf for making an observation, both non-judgmental and also part of a MUCH LARGER POINT, that the investment in a heater is generally a business investment and the fact that it allows you to work unhampered by blankets might make some women want to purchase one.

    In other words, I was done with this argument when you started it. To me there is no argument, and I don;t come here to argue, and as you can see, every post has explained my position clearly yet again, and then gone on to be about broader more pressing issues for the cam-world than the dumb "blanket controversy" that isn't a controversy...Let's spell it out simply:

    You think that wearing a blanket when it is cold is reasonable and fine and as long as you give peeks and such that it is a presentable way to appear on cam.

    I think that if you are wearing a blanket fairly often on cam, then you should probably consider a heater if at all possible because it is a good investment in your business.

    The original poster of the blanket stuff has laughed it off and made light of it, I have done the same, and you keep coming back as if I am attacking you personally or as if this whole stupid thing really MEANS anything in the whole scheme of things....

    Why don't we just agree to disagree, since everytime you write back, for me, it uncovers more and more differences in our respective views of camming.

    Not a problem...We all have opinions...Great.

    Now we're really done with this blanket thing, because I won't bring it up again, even if you DO. I'm sick of it, and larger issues are being discussed here, and this myopic fixation on the dumb blanket thing is steering us from more important stuff.

    B

    PS. I do think some truly important stuff was said here....So this discussion HAS served a purpose. Just don;t like the direction it is going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post

    I was a webcam girl. I know EXACTLY what the job is and isn't. I fumbled around and slowly learned my chops, and then I got AE Promotion, and realized I knew nothing because this business isn't what it SEEMS. So, I made it my business to latch on like and leech and learn the ins and outs of AE promotion. My mentor now considers me good enough to take the lead on the new sites they are working on. I don't cam now. Or...Very Seldom and only for very special clients. But I DO promote a few girls RIGHT NOW. And I have promoted several over the years. And guess what? NOT ONE has failed to make GREAT money when promoted correctly. So, I don't agree that great camgirls do everything right and still fail. Sorry...I've not run into that AT ALL. I've run into lovely women doing SO MANY THINGS WRONG and I come along and shift their perspective and poke here, and tug there, and do some internet magic, and suddenly they are making $1k per week minimum and often quite a bit more. So it is a repeatable experiment that has a systematic quality to it.


    B
    I just caught this thread by Bambalina...I could not agree more on promoting. I've cammed for bit over a year ago and had no time to continue. I'm now considering getting back to camming. I truly believe if models were properly promoted to bring targeted traffic to themselves, they could make quite a bit more money.

    While I understand sites like MFC and SM already receive lots of traffic, yet at the same time a model could easily be lost in the sea of other models. Without proper promotion...our chances of getting lost are much higher.

    We have to treat camming business like a job. If we want to make consistent income, we have to work it with consistency. When I cammed last year, I noticed my income continue to climb week after week...but I burned out from burning the candles at both ends working my full-time career plus cam at night. I was literally putting in 80 hours per week at my job then I had to get all dolled up and be on cam at night...talk about feeling crispy!!! I'm sure if I put in 1/3 as much effort I would be successful in making a decent living camming.

    Just curious...this may be a really silly question...I was wondering if someone can tell me what's "AE promotion"?

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