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    I would do this in a heartbeat, except I couldn't hurt the poor animal. Otherwise hell yes, if they let me I would!



    I am so over this fucking Christmas bullshit. There are no worse nights to work that these two, this night that just ended (thank all the pagan gods) and tonight.
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    Personally I'm happy to work these nights... at least it keeps me around other people! Everything here was closed except for Walgreens! I don't think people should have to work their religions major holidays for 1-2 days, but some of us just appreciate having others to be around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kylea2 View Post
    Personally I'm happy to work these nights... at least it keeps me around other people! Everything here was closed except for Walgreens! I don't think people should have to work their religions major holidays for 1-2 days, but some of us just appreciate having others to be around.
    Wow sorry to hear things shut down so much in your area. It's not so bad at all here as far as that goes.


    There are several reasons I have grown to despise what used to be my 2nd favorite holiday (after Halloween).

    (For the short version, skip this part and go to the next reply.)

    First and foremost was the fact that long before I was SC DJ, I was an architectural illustrator and graphic artist, an independent contractor. Retailers love Christmas, but all other business basically shuts down hard for well over a month.

    From just before Thanksgiving, until a while past NYE, no one wants to even talk about doing any kind of business at all. So right when you need a little extra cash, you wind up worrying about paying rent more than at any other time of the year, let alone buying presents. The presents you are bombarded with commercial propaganda nonstop about, telling you how you must please everyone on your list or look like an asshole.

    Plus my mom married into the most boring family ever. Right now I would kill to have her or my stepdad (or my long ago departed brother) back so I could be bored to death with them during all those Holiday dinners I had to go to, but back then I dreaded it. (I really do miss them both, and my brother but that was way back).

    Then I started DJing, and since I came here actually have done very, very well. I can buy anything I want for anyone, but other than my dad who doesn't want anything for Xmas, they are all dead.
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    Meanwhile, in the clubs, from just before Thanksgiving until right around NYE, all these customers come in and sit there not spending money (saving for presents for their wife and kids I suppose), but still wanting a free show. It's infuriating to me as well as the dancers of course.

    What few dancers do show up by the time the final, torturous two nights of Christmas roll around are no less demanding about music, all of the 300 times they wind up going onstage--and no more helpful about possibly playing any cool new songs whatsoever. And you have to cut the hell out of the songs just like the busiest night of the year, to put the same 5-10 tired girls onstage over and over and over and over again to the same goddamned songs they demand you play ad nauseum the rest of the year.


    Plus, the holiday is so cheesy and commercialized, as it has been for as long as I've been alive.


    Most relevant of all, vis a vis the sacrificing of animals onstage, is the fact that Christmas is based on a pagan holiday, having to do with fertility rites common to a majority of pre-Christian, pagan Western religions.

    It was adopted and converted as part of the greatest PR blitz in history--the wholesale conversion of most of the Roman Empire to Christianity. Largely through the adaptation of pagan festivals such as Christmas and Easter (both heavily tied into the annual patterns of planting and harvest and midwinter rest from agricultural toil and consumption of harvest). The ritual sacrifice of the primary male fertility deity goes as far back as Osiris in Egypt.

    They really have no fucking clue when Baby Jesus was born.

    It could have been mid-August as far as anyone knows. So all those plastic Nativity scenes are nothing but a lot of trite mythology. Complete with strange magnates appearing on camels out of nowhere to give Baby Jesus expensive perfume and incense that as we know, He would have cared nothing about.

    He would have despised what has been done in his name, all the commercial, materialistic bullshit wrapped up in a fake birthday based on pagan religion. The message being 'Rather than give of your heart to your family and friends the other 364 days of the year, give them expensive gifts on a day picked by charlatans about 1600 years ago.'

    This is why I would derive endless pleasure from sacrificing a goat or maybe one of those cute little lambs from the nativity, right onstage. Except no fucking way could I hurt them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    They really have no fucking clue when Baby Jesus was born.

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    Actually its pretty much accepted that he was born in the spring. The whole "shepherds keeping watch over their flock all night"....they only watched flocks all night during the lambing season...spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chop
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksOCE...yer_detailpage
    lol

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    I sick it's disgusting that a club sacrificed a goat. I hope PETA and ASPCA goes wild on them and they are sick fucks. Yes I am an animal lover and hate people who would do this. Unless of course this is more of a metaphor which I suspect it is.

    I agree that Jesus would be appalled at what Christmas has become. It's supposed to be for family celebrations, not whether one gets a Kinetic (or whatever that thing is), a Playstation or a Wii. Then again I'm pretty sure Jesus would be repulsed by how people have used his name to kill people and discriminate.

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    Wow sorry to hear things shut down so much in your area. It's not so bad at all here as far as that goes.


    There are several reasons I have grown to despise what used to be my 2nd favorite holiday (after Halloween).

    (For the short version, skip this part and go to the next reply.)

    First and foremost was the fact that long before I was SC DJ, I was an architectural illustrator and graphic artist, an independent contractor. Retailers love Christmas, but all other business basically shuts down hard for well over a month.

    From just before Thanksgiving, until a while past NYE, no one wants to even talk about doing any kind of business at all. So right when you need a little extra cash, you wind up worrying about paying rent more than at any other time of the year, let alone buying presents. The presents you are bombarded with commercial propaganda nonstop about, telling you how you must please everyone on your list or look like an asshole.

    Plus my mom married into the most boring family ever. Right now I would kill to have her or my stepdad (or my long ago departed brother) back so I could be bored to death with them during all those Holiday dinners I had to go to, but back then I dreaded it. (I really do miss them both, and my brother but that was way back).

    Then I started DJing, and since I came here actually have done very, very well. I can buy anything I want for anyone, but other than my dad who doesn't want anything for Xmas, they are all dead.
    Sorry to hear your family is mostly gone. Do you think that's partly why you don't like Christmas much anymore? I know people who hate Christmas because they had terrible tragedies during the season. For instance a family friend didn't celebrate Christmas for years because his wife died right before Christmas.

    I have experienced what you mention about jobs during the holiday season. Since I've been in the corporate world and when I am looking for jobs I rarely get interviews from mid October- mid January. Even when I had a corporate job we didn't do much during this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I sick it's disgusting that a club sacrificed a goat.
    No no! It was a joke!

    Though if it weren't for the fact I could never hurt a poor defenseless goat (and all the blood, etc.), I would do it for sure! Just to make a point, and for the sheer theatrical effect.

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    I'm pretty sure Jesus would be repulsed by how people have used his name to kill people and discriminate.
    One of the most amusing aspects of the lore that has grown up around the early Christians is the way they invariably play up the horrible nasty cruelty of the Romans throwing the poor, noble, peaceful Christians to the lions.

    What they don't ever tell you is that within a very few short years (like 5-10 or less) of the official adaptation of Christianity as the State religion of the Roman Empire, they started burning hundreds of thousands of their fellow Christians alive, merely for disagreeing about the most trivial dogmatic minutiae you can possibly imagine.

    That figure is no exaggeration, BTW--if anything the numbers are higher--and then we have the Middle Ages, after the nasty cruel Romans were gone and Christianity kicked into high gear. Burnings for heresy, witchcraft, because the pope wanted all the money you were making (read about the Albigensian Crusade in southern France--horrifying stuff), the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc.

    It's been said many times before--they would never let Jesus Christ into one of 'His' own churches, not dressed the way he was.


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    Sorry to hear your family is mostly gone. Do you think that's partly why you don't like Christmas much anymore?
    Thanks, but no, I was burned out on the holiday long before that.
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    That was a bit harsh Djoser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    That was a bit harsh Djoser.
    It was? Just a reply to an interesting discussion between him and KelleyDancer. I didn't read anything mean or slanderous in what he wrote. He's mearly stating facts that anyone could google. People have done horrible, awful things in the name of the son of God, and as a Catholic I'll be the first to admit the hypocrisy of it all. I don't take offense to anything he wrote - it's all true.

    Anyway, back to the OP; things are slow up here too! Our club closed from the 24th to the 3rd - which is fine by me. Was talking to the manager about it, and he said that there's just not enough customers during that 2 weeks to keep the club open and have to pay for lights/heating. Hah! It must be a slow season if the club won't even make enough off drinks/housefees to cover overhead.

    Hopefully tonight will be better. It's boxing day and men will be looking to relax and get away from the family that's been pissing them off for the last 2 days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    That was a bit harsh Djoser.
    I agree, burning all those people at the stake was pretty harsh!

    On a more positive note, the weekend went surprisingly well. I did have to bust the customers balls quite a few times for not tipping and being rude to the waitresses, but still, it was a lot better than last year.


    Edit--And it must be said, I have met true Christians before--people who practice sharing and caring for others everyday, not just on holidays. I will never, ever forget one elderly couple who picked up my girlfriend and I when we were hitchhiking from Chicago to Florida during a college break. It was cold as hell and snowing pretty hard, and getting late at night.

    They invited us to their house, fed us a dinner, tried to give us money, and then gave us a ride another 10-15 miles to the next exit down the highway from their house, where it would be easier to get another ride! Their house was filled with pictures of Jesus, praying hands, etc., etc. You could just tell there wasn't a harmful bone in their body, that they were as decent and kind a couple as you could ever meet, anywhere.

    I couldn't help but think--what if we had been some kind of psycho lunatics, and they still did that for us?! It actually made me a bit fearful they might do it again for the wrong people someday. Probably not though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by islandgirlcoco View Post
    That was a bit harsh Djoser.
    If you mean me, I don't think so at all. In fact I thought it was interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    No no! It was a joke!

    Though if it weren't for the fact I could never hurt a poor defenseless goat (and all the blood, etc.), I would do it for sure! Just to make a point, and for the sheer theatrical effect.



    One of the most amusing aspects of the lore that has grown up around the early Christians is the way they invariably play up the horrible nasty cruelty of the Romans throwing the poor, noble, peaceful Christians to the lions.

    What they don't ever tell you is that within a very few short years (like 5-10 or less) of the official adaptation of Christianity as the State religion of the Roman Empire, they started burning hundreds of thousands of their fellow Christians alive, merely for disagreeing about the most trivial dogmatic minutiae you can possibly imagine.

    That figure is no exaggeration, BTW--if anything the numbers are higher--and then we have the Middle Ages, after the nasty cruel Romans were gone and Christianity kicked into high gear. Burnings for heresy, witchcraft, because the pope wanted all the money you were making (read about the Albigensian Crusade in southern France--horrifying stuff), the Spanish Inquisition, etc., etc.

    It's been said many times before--they would never let Jesus Christ into one of 'His' own churches, not dressed the way he was.




    Thanks, but no, I was burned out on the holiday long before that.
    It's funny because everyone in history talks about the "persecuted Christians" but they don't talk about the other groups attacked. Right now I am taking a religious class to get confirmed and I often hear about how the Catholics are always attacked. While Catholics were often discriminated against, they never mention how the Catholics kicked the Muslims of Spain in the middle ages. I highly doubt Jesus would be bothered by gay marriage or many other issues today. He might disagree on abortion, but I suspect he would probably understand that it's needed in certain instances.

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    Who knows what Jesus would have thought of abortion?

    He was actually in many ways more a political than religious personality, anyway, from what I understand. That's the real reason the Romans killed him, he was stirring up too much trouble with the status quo.

    A very good friend of mine in college was the son of a minister, and this was back where & when it wasn't cool to say you were religious--but if you pressed him, he would tell you he really had Faith. Then in the 90's he spent a few years researching the true historical story of the real man, as far as can really be ascertained at this time. And guess what?

    He lost his faith.

    There are no surviving writings concerning Jesus from his lifetime, whatsoever. Everything written afterward has been translated and transcribed so many times, it is very far removed from what was written down, even well after his death. Some people question whether he even existed.

    Here is a good starting point on the quest for the historical Jesus (really his name was Jeshua), written by a man who was as truly 'Christian' as you can get--Albert Schweitzer:

    http://www.amazon.com/Quest-Historic...mm_pap_title_0

    Schweitzer was a German doctor who dedicated his life to providing free medical care in deepest Africa--but he was also a brilliant scholar. One of the first to question historical versus dogmatic versions of the life of the man.

    Well before that, Thomas Jefferson, a Humanist, wrote that the miracles were a crock of shit. So much for our Founding Fathers being religious men who wanted us to be a Christian nation, as the right wingers fundamentalists would have us believe.

    Here is a website listing every link imaginable concerning the various opinions and investigations of the real man:

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_je.htm

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcno.htm (What historical documentation/proof he even existed--most of the writings were doctored by later Christian translators/copyists with their own agendas)


    They don't even know anything about what really happened with the crucifixion. According to the most commonly accepted version, he was taken down from the cross long before he should have been dead--crucifixion was designed to take at least an entire day if not longer. The Romans really could be pretty brutal.

    Plus there are the translations. Aramaic, Greek, Latin, English--each with translators and transcribers altering successive versions as they saw fit. And remember, you could get burned at the stake for saying the wrong thing according to whoever was in charge at whatever time--great motivation to get creative in your choice of wording, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    If you mean me, I don't think so at all. In fact I thought it was interesting.
    She meant me, and not entirely without justification. I was accused of being a Grinch by one of my good friends when I posted I wanted to sacrifice a goat in the club, on Facebook, lol.

    Why ruin a fun holiday for so many people by bitching about how bad the night will probably suck? As it turned out it did suck, but not that bad (OK except for a while friday haha). Better than being dead.

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    Honestly, if any clubs had been open last night I would have gone! I do my very minimal family stuff on Christmas eve. Last night I was bored and looking for something to do! Back when Boston had the "Combat Zone" the clubs were all open 365 days a year!
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Honestly, if any clubs had been open last night I would have gone! I do my very minimal family stuff on Christmas eve. Last night I was bored and looking for something to do! Back when Boston had the "Combat Zone" the clubs were all open 365 days a year!
    The thing is, we were pretty busy for Christmas and Christmas Eve, and thursday was pretty good, actually. All three nights a lot better than last year. I know the owner made money. And we did have a lot of locals come in, like family sort of (well almost maybe kinda lol). And a lot of guys who were probably lonely, yep. Too bad more of them didn't tip, though! I appealed to this holiday spirit I've been bashing several times on the mike. It worked, a little.

    Also very funny--it was exactly eleven years ago Christmas Day (night) that I started in my first club. And I was so happy to work even that slow (relatively shitty) night back then!! The club was a tax write-off and so yeah there were maybe the same number of girls, probably less, definitely less customers, etc.

    I have worked way, way too many slow nights since then, though. I can't stand them anymore.
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