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    (EDIT EDIT--HAPPY ENDING! THE CAT LIVED see below for different version with end!!!)

    I am warning you, this is a very, very sad video! I confess I could not finish it, and still haven't. I started to bust up.

    I don't really like posting downer type stuff, but it's as strong a kind of proof that animals can feel love, loyalty, and grief for a loved one as anything I have ever seen, read, or heard of. Remember you can hit 'stop' or 'pause' at any time, and I highly recommend you do--if you even open it.

    It's a cat trying to revive his friend, another cat who has been hit by a car.

    Edit--there are very happy and cool animal videos proving emotional capacity, love and loyalty in a post below. Maybe it would be better to look at those instead.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br8JO...layer_embedded
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    ugh
    that is so sad. i cant watch it all

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    I know, I barely made it 30 seconds.

    One of my best friends had two cats, and one died suddenly of a heart attack or something, out of the blue. My friend found out because the other cat literally screamed when he found him dead.


    There is a book I could not finish either, called The Emotional Life of Animals

    http://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Live.../dp/1577315022

    (only 2$ used)

    It was really good, but the entire first, lengthy chapter consisted of awful stories of animals showing how distraught they were, starving themselves when their mates died, etc. I couldn't get past that to the parts where the author explained why this is important, positive, scientifically useful, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I know, I barely made it 30 seconds.

    One of my best friends had two cats, and one died suddenly of a heart attack or something, out of the blue. My friend found out because the other cat literally screamed when he found him dead.

    poor thing!
    reminds me of my uncles dogs, one of them passed away (it wasnt sudden or anything though) and the other dog wouldnt eat for about 3 weeks after it was very sad...

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    oh jeez...theres a whole bunch of sad animal videos on youtube! i better not watch them

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    OK, OK, stop watching them! Let's try to get something positive out of this thread instead.

    Here is how I found the video, because CKXXX posted a really cool, sweet story of a dog that had been abandoned saving a sick girl's life:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Mw_...layer_embedded

    There were all kinds of cool animals saving kids and kittens and other animals videos listed, so look at them instead of the sad ones! I saw this further down and had to look, even though I knew it was going to be a bad one.

    What's really interesting is that this dog apparently knew somehow from downstairs that the girl was having a seizure!

    I liked the dog saving the kittens from the fire one, and the dog nursing the baby white tiger cubs too. And all the elephants together saving the drowning baby elephant was awesome!

    Watch out for the fawn and the cat, one though. It's got a shocking ending--the mom deer gets pissed and hurts a dog--why it then leaves the cat alone I don't know.
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    That was so sad...and so inspiring. The animals have got it sussed...no hatred, no wars, just love and peace......

    You know what it says in The Bible...."...and the meek shall inherit the Earth.."

    I'm pretty sure it means the animals......not humans.
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    What the hell???

    There is another version of this that shows them taking the cat to the vet and it apparently is saved. And partly because of the massaging they show the other kitty doing!!!



    Why in hell they didn't show that part is beyond me--unless maybe they tried to revive the cat, it didn't work and they aren't telling us because it was too sad???

    There is a link in this to yet another Youtube that shows a Chilean TV version where the cat supposedly lives. And in the comments someone apparently translates the Chilean TV announcer. From Turkey to Chile? I am confused, but really glad the little girl kitty made it and her friend was no doubt happy too. One cool thing also is that supposedly these are strays--in which case it's not cats learning human emotion from contact somehow.

    Anyway here is the happy ending link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxDGg...eature=related
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    This is why I love animals more than people. They have so much more compassion. I have a cat and dog and the dog has been sick. The cat has been sleeping by the dog to watch over him. The dog is now fine but the cat takes it on himself to be the caregiver.

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    YES! Look at the third video here. They show a red circle around the kitty massaging his friend kitty's chest, and repeat it twice. The fucking cat saved his friend's life!!

    They are not going to fake a cat lying on the vet's table with tubes and working on him like that to make us feel better.

    And the headline ("El gato héroe que reanimó y salvó a su amigo") has to read:

    "The hero cat who revives/reanimates & saves his friend" I know my Latin roots, and enough French which is close to Spanish, that's what it says.

    What an amazing thing to have happen, I was so sad and then the kitty lives.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TFy5...763&feature=iv
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    This is why I love animals more than people. They have so much more compassion. I have a cat and dog and the dog has been sick. The cat has been sleeping by the dog to watch over him. The dog is now fine but the cat takes it on himself to be the caregiver.
    Yeah that is cool!

    Some people are like that, too, though. They are just a little harder to find. It's so easy to get bogged down in the bullshit, like having to work sucky Christmas nights at your club lol. It's easy to lose sight of what really matters.
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    Unfortunately most of the people I've met aren't like that. Luckily several family members are exactly like that and the guy I want USED to be like that (though not lately). I always kid and say my male cat and dog are partners. Of course my cat loved my last two dogs (both female).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Unfortunately most of the people I've met aren't like that. Luckily several family members are exactly like that and the guy I want USED to be like that (though not lately). I always kid and say my male cat and dog are partners. Of course my cat loved my last two dogs (both female).
    CKXXX has a pitbull that lets kittens climb all over him and he loves it!
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    im so happy you posted that other video with the happy ending!
    I luv lil meowzers!!
    I watched a bunch of videos after this one (including the fawn you warned of)
    some are really sad..but others are kinda inspiring & heartwarming.
    The world would be a dark place without the light of animals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    This is why I love animals more than people. They have so much more compassion. I have a cat and dog and the dog has been sick. The cat has been sleeping by the dog to watch over him. The dog is now fine but the cat takes it on himself to be the caregiver.

    Me too! That is so touching Kelly..Im glad your dog is okay now Thats sweet.

    I couldnt watch the video.. but I heard about it before.. I dont want to watch it... I get so upset when I see an animal in fear, or sadness. I want to get a dog so bad from the shelter, cause I want to help badly.. I am trying to convince my mother to get one too since she has been thinking about it. I dont like animals being hurt - at all. Their emotional level is high and I think they know well off how we feel, whats going around them, to protect us and save us. I can tell whenever my dog is trying to protect me or take in my emotions.. whenever fear, or happiness, was going around the house he felt it too and showed it.

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    Well you might want to check it out anyway Kisca, since the kitty lives! And he saves her with the paws massaging her, as contrived and unlikely as it sounds!

    I watched many versions and some people understood Spanish from the Chilean TV and apparently the poor female kitty was in a coma and would certainly have died if he left her there. The vet said that he saved her life for real. You might cry anyway, I fucking did haha. Twice including the first one when I had to stop. Then when she lives after all. So I am a mush about cats sorry.

    I just spent an hour finding every YouTube of that video I could find and posting "THE CAT LIVED WATCH THE OTHER ONE!"

    There are literally hundreds of comments on all these different videos, people busting up just like me, they don't know!! Hopefully I can spare further unnecessary agony.

    This was my Christmas present, I swear that's all I needed to bust me out of my Grinch mode hahaha! Who cares when Baby Jesus was born? Life goes on and living creatures care about each other--that's what it's really all about.




    Oh and yeah Kisca, cats and dogs and other animals can definitely sense emotion in humans, and can have their feeling hurt very easily, or be happy too, or try to cheer you up. I know many times in my life when I was upset my cats (way back when I had them) would almost always come to me and give a little cry and rub on me. They were without question trying to make me feel better and were sad that I was sad.
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    I cried. Watched it again, cried agian. The ending of the video is even worse than the beginning, he's trying so hard. I'm glad the little lady turned out okay, and I hope she found her way back to her mate.

    I do wonder hy it took so long for someone to bring her to the vet or otherwise help her. They'd rather get her mate's heartbreak on camera.

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    Oh and yeah Kisca, cats and dogs and other animals can definitely sense emotion in humans, and can have their feeling hurt very easily, or be happy too, or try to cheer you up. I know many times in my life when I was upset my cats (way back when I had them) would almost always come to me and give a little cry and rub on me. They were without question trying to make me feel better and were sad that I was sad.
    Anyone who has had a strong bond with an animal knows this. My younger cat, as much of a bully he is most of the time, will come over and comfort me when I'm crying. He'll curl up and nuzzle me until I stop.

    He also freaked out when my older cat didn't come home one night. He kept watching out the windows for him. It was raining, my cat must have been finding shelter. When the sun came up, DBF brought him outside and he just stiffed around for him and sulked. (The older cat came home at noon like nothing happened, screaming at me for breakfast.) Of course, I was freaking out all night, too, and he curled up with me in bed. He NEVER does that.

    My younger cat got really hurt a few months ago (claws ripped out, chipped teeth) and when my older cat realized what was wrong, he crouched down in front of him, looking around, as if to guard him from whoever hurt him. He must have stayed there for an hour before he calmed down.

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    I cried. Watched it again, cried agian. The ending of the video is even worse than the beginning, he's trying so hard. I'm glad the little lady turned out okay, and I hope she found her way back to her mate.

    I do wonder hy it took so long for someone to bring her to the vet or otherwise help her. They'd rather get her mate's heartbreak on camera.
    Notice the guy who finds the kitty carrier and takes her away (I presume to the vet) is dressed in business attire, probably taking time from his job or business.

    There are a lot of reasons people won't stop and help but might watch. Most kids are trained from an early age not to stop and help hurt animals. I was, but it didn't take lol.

    First you have to catch it--they usually run away. Or they are lying there and there's nothing much you can do--the cat looked dead, what are you going to do with a dead cat?? The hero kitty is not going to go anywhere else and might get upset if you go near him. Then you have to find a kitty carrier. Also this is Turkey, a 3rd World country, I bet carriers are a little harder to find. You might have to go back to work or school or to pick up your wife and kids, what are you going to do with a dead or dying animal in the meantime? Then you have to find a vet who will look at her right away. Then you have to pay for it, and she might die anyway. Then you have to figure out what to do with a barely alive kitty while she heals. What if no pets allowed in your apartment? Or your wife is deathly allergic? Or your dog will eat the cat?

    Look, fuck it--I'd be right there trying to help! But these are the things most people think. There's been a few times I tried to save or help a dying or sick cat or dog, and there are always complications that make it difficult or impossible to follow through--especially the money thing.

    I saved a starving kitty outside my house 1 1/2 years ago. I didn't know what was wrong at the time, he just looked like he was about to fucking die right there (he was), skin & bones, not even able to run away when I accidentally cornered him on my stairs 4:30 AM after work. I will get instantly evicted if I even bring a cat inside my apt. for an hour. But I went to the drugstore and bought food, but he was gone when I got back. But the next night there he was waiting on the steps! I gave him the food and wow he was happy to eat.

    Then he never left the steps and I kept feeding him, but the neurotic woman who runs this giant old house with apts. would either chase him away or call animal rescue and they'd have put him down. Finally I was a bit drunk one night coming home and of course I let him in. Then I fell madly in love as I'd been kitty deprived for 4 years. Then I noticed he seemed sick and weird. Into the vet he went. Meanwhile I have no idea what the fuck I'm going to do with this cat!! No one at work can take him!

    Vet says he is a blind old kitty with very bad tooth problems. 700$ to fix him up and give him shots. Back in the old days that would have been it, I couldn't pay that! I find a girl at work who will take him, pay the money, take him to her house. But she is with a fucking white trash SO and they have a huge party and the cat vanished, we never found it though I went & looked everywhere. I had him for 2 weeks & paid 700$ and for all I know he fell in the canal behind her house, or her SO killed him.

    I would have paid 1500 easy, more, for him to live, or even have him for a few months. It's been 1 1/2 years and I am still so sad.

    So these are the things that stop people, sad as it is.

    But hey they saved this kitty!


    Oh they said in one comment that the kitty was still alive and healthy & happy. I think both cats.
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    The ending of the video is even worse than the beginning, he's trying so hard.

    I do wonder hy it took so long for someone to bring her to the vet or otherwise help her. They'd rather get her mate's heartbreak on camera.
    Maybe it's wishful thinking, but the kitty seemed a little less upset, a little more determined when I watched it again knowing he saved it.

    Oh don't even think about watching the little Chinese puppy video. Talk about heartless filming.
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    Look, fuck it--I'd be right there trying to help! But these are the things most people think. There's been a few times I tried to save or help a dying or sick cat or dog, and there are always complications that make it difficult or impossible to follow through--especially the money thing.
    Difficult, but not impossible. If you actually care, you'll find a way. DBF and I technically kidnapped a neighbor's cat a couple months back because he'd been so sick for so long (we went to this girl and told her what was wrong with him and that he needed to go to the vet, but she didn't take him). We had no money. None. I called every vet in San Diego and we finally found one that would take him ASAP and let us pay within 30 days. We rotated him between the bathroom and the bedroom to keep him away from our other pets in the week that we were giving him his medication. When we finally called his owner again, she suddenly had the money to reimburse us for the medication when she claimed not to have the day we scooped him up (I admit I called her and yelled at her).

    He could have gone blind from the pinkeye he had, caused by a URI. A MONTH that we knew of, his eyes were crusted over. When we brought him in, he was so dehydrated that he couldn't urinate-- he'd just keep mounting the litterbox and nothing would come out.

    That bitch did not care about him enough to find a way to get him to the vet FOR A MONTH. It was her own fucking cat!!! People always will have en excuse when they don't actually want to do something. When you really want to, you find a way.

    Happy ending: he came back to visit us about a month after we brought him home. I'd never before seen his eyes clear, it really was worthwhile to see him finally healthy.

    ETA: I almost didn't bring him back. But, at that point, there as too much of a paper trail and I could have faced a several-thousand dollar fine for concealing his identity and he would have been brought back anyway.
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    Oh and yeah Kisca, cats and dogs and other animals can definitely sense emotion in humans, and can have their feeling hurt very easily, or be happy too, or try to cheer you up. I know many times in my life when I was upset my cats (way back when I had them) would almost always come to me and give a little cry and rub on me. They were without question trying to make me feel better and were sad that I was sad.
    This is SO true. A few years ago, two friends of ours were having a rough time in their relationship. They had 3 cats, one a tabby female would ONLY ever sit on the girl's lap.

    Without any warning, one night she sat on the guys lap....and continued to do so.

    This struck him as strange...and he mentioned it to me one night when he was out with me and my husband (his wife was 'working late'). I suggested to him, that the female cat's emotional bond with his wife had been damaged for some reason, and that the cat had decided it was no longer wanted on her lap. That's why she had started sitting on his lap....where she felt secure.

    Three weeks later - our male friend found out that his wife had been having an affair for 5 months - and she was in the process of leaving him.

    The female tabby had already sussed out this emotional break - and had chosen the person who still had affection for her!!
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    Wow, that's cool you did that!

    I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, I was just explaining why most people will stand there watching an animal suffer and not do anything. It's not always that they are totally heartless. You can see those Turks watching the kitties were upset, and didn't now what to do.

    We did save a big tough stray tom once, in Austin, when we were dead broke. He used to come try to hang out and pick up on out teenage mom kitty we brought from Chicago. (We being my first love and I)

    Actually she was my first ever kitty! I never cared about cats! I was a dog man, from way back. But in college I was drunk at a party and this girl was very upset and looking up into a huge tree. I asked her what was wrong, & her kitten was up there stuck. There was no fucking way to climb this tree, it was way too big around and the first branches were too high up. But I managed to grab some leaves hanging down, and pulled the branch they were growing from low enough so I could pull myself up it, and into the tree. But of course the kitten was freaking out, but I managed to grab her. But no way could I climb back down like that with her. So I told the girl to stretch out her scarf, and dropped kitten into it!

    Then found out she was trying to give it away. I had to have it, called her China Doll after the old Temptations song. She was knocked up though, at about 2 months! The vet was amazed, when we first took her in he thought she'd been hit by a car and had a hernia!

    Anyway this tom used to come around after she'd had her litter, trying to see if she was ready for a date--funny thing was, I would always smell cologne when he came cruising by lol!!! But one morning, after we moved to a different apt in the same building, he suddenly appeared out of nowhere, laying on our doorstep all bloody and dying, hit by a car. We had no money and didn't know what to do so like an idiot I took him on the bus to the Humane Society, hoping they would fix him up. We were worried and called and they had just let him lay there all day and night, did nothing and were going to kill him soon.

    So like you, after I went by bus and got him, we found a vet that would work with us. He was fine in no time and when he got healthy started spraying, so back out he went!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pussyinboots View Post
    The female tabby had already sussed out this emotional break - and had chosen the person who still had affection for her!!
    Wow! Maybe the cat also sensed that he would need her.


    OK we need to bring this into a somewhat more positive mood--watch these elephants saving the drowning baby elephant!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd-Lt...eature=related
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    I'm really glad that you're willing to take the time and the effort to help an animal. It means a lot to me. I didn't mean my rant to be directed at you at all, apathy towards hurt animals just puts me in a rage and the video set me off.

    A word about the Humane Society: I do work with them, and I'm very proud to be a part of their facility. However, I think that sometimes people get confused with what they actually do and what they do and don't have funding to do, and it's often a legal issue. I had to read a letter once from a elderly woman who was upset that the HS couldn't give her money for her cat's diabetes medication. Well, legally they can't-- the animal would have had to be in the HS's care to recieve the assistance. She could have surrendered the animal and then they'd be able to pay for the medication.

    In your case, the cat probably fell into the catagory of, "too sick/injured to realistically save and place in a home." (The other euthenasia catagory is, "too aggressive/ violent to be safe in a home.") Usually in any case, they would have given you the option to take him back instead of having him euthenized. Maybe they didn't offer outright because he was a stray?

    It's sad, it's very sad, and we wrestle with this issue a lot: Do you try to save them all, come up short, and end up with suffering animals, or do you save the ones you know you can and humanely put down the ones you can't? They decided to do the greatest good for the greatest number. This came up recently when two nearby campuses merged. One took in only owner-relinquished animals and had a 100% no-kill rate for adoptable animals. The other campus was where strays were taken and they have a lower no-kill rate (not sure the exact number) because their limited funding is specifically purposed to treat and adopt out a certain amount of adoptable animals. If they get more than that, the animals are either (best case) brought to another facility or (worse case) put down.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is, a charity does what it can, but it can't do everything. Sometimes, the best thing to do is take care of the animal yourself. And I'm very happy that you stepped up and did that for that cat, Djoser.

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