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    my dad was told he has brain cancer in october. he has been doing chemo which i am agianst, i DO NOT want a fucking reply from anyone saying that is the bst thing BECAUSE IT IS NOT! my sister and i believe in alternative medicine. i saw RICK SIMPSON run from the cure on you tube read knockout from suzanne sommers etc. it is first round of chemo and he lost his hair already. his legs and hands are swollen etc. i am very scard hes going to die. ALL I WANT IS SOME ADVICE FROM PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN THERE NOT POSTS FRONM PEOPLE TRYING TO GET THERE POSTS UP WITH " O SO SORRY HUN" BLAH BLAH BLAH dont bother posting if you havnt been through this or know what im talking about!!!!!!! i want real responses from people who HAVE WENT THROUGH THIS OR ARE GOING THROUGH THIS! what do i tell him to make him believe chemo is not the way to go?

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    My father had cancer about 10 years ago - he did the Chemo, and it worked. He's all better now (but the chemo really just about killed him in the process. Rough stuff).

    My uncle recently passed of Cancer (brain tumor). He did the Chemo too, but he probably would have been better off with a more naturalistic approach. If he had lived with the tumor then he might have had another 10 or more years.....It's the chemo that killed him.

    I wanted to post this to help make you feel better, but I don't think I'm doing a very good job.

    In the end, I don't think you can a whole lot to change your fathers mind. Usually once a person decides in a case like this then they don't change their minds.

    What have the doctors said in terms of a holistic approach? What are his odds with chemo, without? Etc? The best thing to do would be to get some info together and present it with your sister to your dad. Some case studies about how Alternative medicine was effective against his type of cancer would be reassuring to your dad. Statistics, ect. But only if you're sure that this really is the best approach for him.

    Sorry your family is going through this. Hope I could help.

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    My dad was diagnosed with terminal bladder cancer 6 years ago.
    They gave him ONE round of chemo and he said NO MORE!! He couldnt handle the horrible side affects so he decided to go with alt medicine/ eating completely vegan. His doctors told him he wouldnt last through the year - he is now in remission and living a happy life!! So dont give up hope..I know its hard to see someone you love go through this especially if hes going to be undergoing chemo...But ultimately you gotta let him decide what he feels is the right thing to do for his body.
    If you are interested in any info on alternative medicines or anything feel free to pm me!!

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    My mom had a severely debilitating disease that ultimately killed her. It wasn't cancer (rheumatoid arthritis), but she never considered alternative medicine except very briefly when she first got it. Instead she resorted to massive doses of cortisone, which treatment has a lot of really nasty side effects, and that definitely helped kill her in the end. She also took so many different kinds of fucking pills that it ate away her stomach lining.

    Right after she had major heart surgery (very tricky in her weakened state!), and was just making it into recovery, they had to take her back in to operate on her stomach. I was furious when I found out, but it was so bad they had no choice, as it turned out. She wound up dying due to respiratory failure--a common problem after major surgeries in weakened patients, I guess.

    I was so mad at her doctor for keeping her in this treatment program for so long! At one point, towards the end, I wanted to go smack the son of a bitch in the face I was so mad. I would never have done it, of course--even if he had been in the same city (Orlando about an hour away)--but if he'd been in the same room I'd have been yelling and cussing at him for sure.

    Sorry, I have no advice as to what to tell him, my mom would get pissed off anytime you even thought of bringing up the subject of alternative medicine, so I stopped trying.

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    I just went through all of that last year with my father. Pancreatic cancer. Never felt emotional pain like that and don't EVER want to feel that way again. He beat the odds!

    My advice is get books on alternative therapies that can make the case for you. If he sees the words of doctors and holistic practitioners it may carry enough extra weight to open his mind. Some things you may be able to do for him like changes in his environment and diet. I'm hoping for the best.
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    I also had an uncle who passed away from brain cancer last spring. He'd been struggling with it for two years, went through chemo etc. & I was just happy that I got the chance to say goodbye. I called him like the week before he passed because I just had that "feeling", & told him that I loved him & he'd always been an inspiration in my life. This was a man that ate perfectly healthy, & in his 70's was still sky diving, deep water scuba diving, surfing etc. & worked out at the gym EVERYDAY! While I'm sad that he passed away, he's the only person I've had pass away in my life who I didn't feel sad for. He never missed an opportunity to try something... & that is what I think was the most amazing thing about him.

    On the other hand, a close friend of mine also developed cancer the year before last & went through chemo the entire year. He & my friend got married just in case, so she'd be able to make legal decisions if anything happened. He lost a ton of weight during chemo, & went through it for something like 9 months. It was awful! I'd go to the hospital & he'd suck on an ice cube & then throw up because his body couldn't even handle the water. The doctor did put him on a vegan diet as well. He wasn't conscious half the time & even after chemo it was like he was just "out of it" for months & couldn't focus. He'd been through cancer once before, but not the chemo. Luckily he made it through.

    My stepfather also had cancer & pulled through. I believe they simply cut his out.

    I think with chemo it really depends on how well the body is with healing, & that often has more to do with age than anything else.

    Personally, if I were going through cancer I'd read everything Dr. Oz has presented on cancer:
    http://www.doctoroz.com/question?query=cancer&qa=1

    & I probably would go outside the US to get treated simply because the FDA wants to do so much research on things that are already saving lives in other countries.
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    I had a friend who had brain cancer...she was diagnosed in 95 and died in 07. The original diagnosis was that she had 3-5 years to live. She did chemo and it kept the tumor in check for a while but without surgery it was going to eventually get her. This was an inoperable tumor.

    She had three kids and the chemo got her an extra 7 years with them.

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    My Sister lost a breast to cancer. She had chemo, and she's still going strong years later...knock on wood. My Dad had inoperable colon & liver cancer. He was fighting it with natural means, but was felled by a massive stroke out of the blue last month. We'll never know how that would have worked out, one way or the other.
    I don't know what your Dad should do OP...but yeah, fuck cancer.

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    I just went through all of that last year with my father. Pancreatic cancer. Never felt emotional pain like that and don't EVER want to feel that way again. He beat the odds!
    Wow how did he do that?! That's about the worst kind you can get--I lost one of my best friends from college to this. He called another friend who wound up becoming a doctor and asked for the straight truth. The other guy said "You're fucked", and he didn't last much longer. So your dad is still alive and strong? ("He beat the odds!") I hope so!
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    My great aunt had breast cancer back in the late 80's. Double masectomy and chemo took care of it, but when she developed colon cancer 15 yrs later she refused chemo. She just said she would rather have a few good months than a miserable few years. For her, the chemo was that bad. She said over and over again that death was preferable to the chemo. It must have been truly awful.
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    I want to thank you who have posted what they have been through and for those of you who believe in alternative medicine. Its a very sad time for me realizing that he is going to stick with chemo even though he is due to do double doses of chemo in the middle of january which makes me sick to my stomach. Ive done so much research on this since his diagnosis that i wish i knew all of this when my boyfriends mom sister and dad died of cancer. i posted a few links of some of the most interesting videos about cancer that some may find gut wrenching.... gut wrenching meaning why do our loved ones have to suffer and die when there is a cure for cancer. Profit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEGKT6UqzFs



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJh...eature=related

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgkABfFpewE

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?doc...15481465736414

    take a look and tell me what you think. the bottom one is a clinic called the hoxsey clinic in mexico. It is where i want to take my dad

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    another thing is why don't they do chemo sensitivity test to see if the chemo would work for your type of cancer? that test should be the first thing that they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Wow how did he do that?! That's about the worst kind you can get--I lost one of my best friends from college to this. He called another friend who wound up becoming a doctor and asked for the straight truth. The other guy said "You're fucked", and he didn't last much longer. So your dad is still alive and strong? ("He beat the odds!") I hope so!
    Yeah, pancreatic cancer...that's THE worst cancer you can get. Brain? Breast? pshaw...5% of pancreatic cancer patients live longer than 5 years past diagnosis. Most die within 9 months, and it's not a pretty death.

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    My thoughts are with you. I know Rick Simpson. He helped me make my first batch of hemp oil medicine when my auntie was dying of cancer. He is a remarkable man. You can contact him via his web site. He usually responds pretty quickly.

    Unfortunatly, although my auntie was willing to try something so controversial. Her sons chalked my mom and I up to being nutbars, and promptly returned the medicine to us. My auntie died. I wish I would have had the chance to see for myself, someone who was helped or cured from hemp oil medicine.

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    I lost my 16yrold sister to Leukaemia when I was 18, my nanna to bowel cancer one year later, my grandad to lung cancer when I was 12 and now my uncle has eymphasema.

    The hardest lesson for me was that I had no control over what was happening. Learning to be powerless and just BE there...

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    So sorry that you are going through this with your father. I have lost 2 uncles and my grandfather and 2 great-grandparents to cancer and my husbands mother has successfully beat cancer.

    The bottom line is, its not your decision to make. My uncle also underwent treatments I was not happy with (he did radiosurgery which was experimental at the time). He deteriorated very quickly due to the severity of his treatments. But at the end of the day, it was his decision to make. You can make suggestions to your dad and hopefully he takes them on board but sadly cancer is not fair.

    I have studied cancer pretty extensively in university and it is a very very complex disease involving several genetic mutations and in reality when you understand how it works its quite surprising its even possible to occur. Usually at least 7 mistakes have to occur within DNA to result in metastatic cancer. Further amplyfying the problem of curing the disease is no two cancers act the same. Its not like x is mutated in breast cancer and y is mutated in lung cancer. Mutations occur in all different combinations and depending on the combination the cancer is more or less aggressive. Because our cells are constantly dividing in reality if we all lived long enough (as in werent killed by something else) eventually we would all get cancer. Its inevitable with millions of cell divisions occurring within the body over time that a copy error will occur in DNA. After studying how the disease works I have realised that an accurate cure for cancer is not anywhere in the near future. I certainly will not live to see it. Yes there are treatments natural and traditional that will be successful but there is no treatment that can accurately target the cancer because every persons cancer started and developed in a unique way. Its true chemo and radiation are not targeted treatments, and are very harsh. Essentially a test to find out whether the individual is stronger than the cancer or not. Its killing every cell, not just the cancer cells.

    I guess the reason Im sharing this with you is because I want to show how unfair this disease really is. Finding a cure is not just roadblocked buy funding or private agendas, but by science itself. I really hope that your dad will see your perspective though because I really see no reason why not to try everything available to him.

    My grandfather chose to have no treatment at all for his cancer. I actually found his death the most peaceful for me because he chose to live out the time he had left without interference, whereas relatives who underwent treatment has an instant decrease in quality of life and with the exception of my husbands mother, the outcome was death regardless.

    Does your father listen when you talk about natural therapies you would like him to consider or do he dismiss you?

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    OP my best friends dad died of brain cancer. Sometimes chemo works and sometimes it doesn't. All I know is that you should trust the doctors as long as they are reputable. Holistic medicine is crazy. You can treat a headache with herbs, but not a tumor. He's not dying from a diet. Why don't you believe in modern medicine? Your dad has a better chance at living with chemo, and that may come with a risk. So, you are asking him to risk nothing and stay in pain? You sound like a horrible selfish daughter to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guysmiley View Post
    OP my best friends dad died of brain cancer. Sometimes chemo works and sometimes it doesn't. All I know is that you should trust the doctors as long as they are reputable. Holistic medicine is crazy. You can treat a headache with herbs, but not a tumor. He's not dying from a diet. Why don't you believe in modern medicine? Your dad has a better chance at living with chemo, and that may come with a risk. So, you are asking him to risk nothing and stay in pain? You sound like a horrible selfish daughter to me.

    first of all wow thats horrible of you to insult her.
    if you knew anything about medicine you would know that chemo is treating cancer with cancer.

    i understand how she feels. my dad died of lung cancer at 63. 3 months after they diagnosed him. i watched him go from a fairly healthy guy tan skin a little bit chubby smiling eyes to someone who could barely walk, reguarly fainted, had grey skin and was skinny as hell. he threw up, couldnt eat unless he smoked pot, was horribly constipated and weak. all from the fucking chemo. holistic medicine is not about herbs its about vitamins and diet
    my advice to you hun would be look up the gerson method ... it focuses on coffee enemas and a mostly raw vegan diet
    also watch the movie food matters which explains how vitamin c has been known to cure different types of cancer and also focuses on a vegan diet.
    im so sorry your going through this. it sucks and you must feel powerless. but you and your dad should talk about alternative therapies and research them together. there are MUCH MUCH better ways to deal with cancer than chemo you are right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guysmiley View Post
    OP my best friends dad died of brain cancer. Sometimes chemo works and sometimes it doesn't. All I know is that you should trust the doctors as long as they are reputable. Holistic medicine is crazy. You can treat a headache with herbs, but not a tumor. He's not dying from a diet. Why don't you believe in modern medicine? Your dad has a better chance at living with chemo, and that may come with a risk. So, you are asking him to risk nothing and stay in pain? You sound like a horrible selfish daughter to me.
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    My mom had throat/tongue cancer for 2 years and pretty much tried everything there was from strange diets to foreign herbal drinks. She tried chemo because it kept spreading and it would eventually suffocate her. She went through 3 surgeries and it kept coming back. My mom eventually decided to end anymore operations and chemo before she had no tongue at all. It was obviously NOT helping her. She had open wounds on her mouth and had to eat through her stomach and breath through a tube in her throat. But the cancer kept spreading and it eventually got to her brain. Thats when things got crazy and it was like I was dealing with a child instead of my mother. Not to mention the pain killers and drugs they were giving her only made her addicted. I dont want to get into any graphics but that was the worst time in my life. However, I really do believe that ending the chemo sooner helped her live longer. The doctors at that point told us she had a few months and she stuck it out for a whole year. She was weak, but we helped her get out of bed everyday to exercise her body out and my dad blended lots of healthy foods for her. I'm not a doctor or anything so I can't honestly tell you whats right verse wrong but i think there's only so much technology can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadenraine View Post
    first of all wow thats horrible of you to insult her.
    if you knew anything about medicine you would know that chemo is treating cancer with cancer.
    False. Chemotherapy is treating cancer cells with chemicals/pills.

    Quote Originally Posted by jadenraine View Post
    holistic medicine is not about herbs its about vitamins and diet
    I was being a bit sarcastic, but holistic is usually anti-chemical pro-organic oils, herbs, veggies (and if they take vitamins than that's hypocritical).

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    And as for Sapphire9 I agree. There is only so much medicine can do. Chemotherapy alone won't work. Combined with radiation and diet it might. It sounds to me as if your doctors knew it had entered her system and were trying to stop it from spreading to other parts of her organs. It would be terrible if they knew they couldn't stop this and kept proceeding. Only when it hits the lymphs you should give up... but any survival after that is a miracle.

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    The bottom line is, its not your decision to make. My uncle also underwent treatments I was not happy with (he did radiosurgery which was experimental at the time). He deteriorated very quickly due to the severity of his treatments. But at the end of the day, it was his decision to make. You can make suggestions to your dad and hopefully he takes them on board but sadly cancer is not fair.

    I have studied cancer pretty extensively in university and it is a very very complex disease involving several genetic mutations and in reality when you understand how it works its quite surprising its even possible to occur. Usually at least 7 mistakes have to occur within DNA to result in metastatic cancer. Further amplyfying the problem of curing the disease is no two cancers act the same. Its not like x is mutated in breast cancer and y is mutated in lung cancer. Mutations occur in all different combinations and depending on the combination the cancer is more or less aggressive. Because our cells are constantly dividing in reality if we all lived long enough (as in werent killed by something else) eventually we would all get cancer. Its inevitable with millions of cell divisions occurring within the body over time that a copy error will occur in DNA. After studying how the disease works I have realised that an accurate cure for cancer is not anywhere in the near future. I certainly will not live to see it. Yes there are treatments natural and traditional that will be successful but there is no treatment that can accurately target the cancer because every persons cancer started and developed in a unique way. Its true chemo and radiation are not targeted treatments, and are very harsh. Essentially a test to find out whether the individual is stronger than the cancer or not. Its killing every cell, not just the cancer cells.

    I guess the reason Im sharing this with you is because I want to show how unfair this disease really is. Finding a cure is not just roadblocked buy funding or private agendas, but by science itself. I really hope that your dad will see your perspective though because I really see no reason why not to try everything available to him.

    My grandfather chose to have no treatment at all for his cancer. I actually found his death the most peaceful for me because he chose to live out the time he had left without interference, whereas relatives who underwent treatment has an instant decrease in quality of life and with the exception of my husbands mother, the outcome was death regardless.

    Does your father listen when you talk about natural therapies you would like him to consider or do he dismiss you?
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    Why don't you believe in modern medicine? Your dad has a better chance at living with chemo, and that may come with a risk. So, you are asking him to risk nothing and stay in pain?
    ^ What they said! I was waiting to see if the OP would reply to Jessie's question to see if he considers or dismisses Tootsie's natural therapy theories. But alas... no reply.

    Above all else... it's HIS decision to make, NOT yours. Sure, you have freedom of speech, but if he doesn't share your view you can't force it upon him. If that is the case, the best thing you can do be by his side.

    Most people wouldn't even be able to comprehend how complex the disease is. With the way Cancer mutates, I don't believe herbs and potions would be of great help. While consuming foods with vitimins that help strengthen your immune system are great, that will only do so much to help you. Like 'guysmiley' said in his last post, there's only so much Chemo can do too. It isn't a cure! So why do people still act supprised when it takes a bad turn?! Science hasn't found a cure for cancer! And like Jessie said in her post that I quoted, I doubt it will be found in our life time.

    If these alternative therapies work on cancer, why aren't doctors using them?!

    Quote Originally Posted by jadenraine View Post
    if you knew anything about medicine you would know that chemo is treating cancer with cancer.

    also watch the movie food matters which explains how vitamin c has been known to cure different types of cancer and also focuses on a vegan diet.
    im so sorry your going through this. it sucks and you must feel powerless. but you and your dad should talk about alternative therapies and research them together. there are MUCH MUCH better ways to deal with cancer than chemo you are right.
    Waaat? Cancer isn't treated with Cancer! This isn't a strain of flu.
    Wow. How is vitimin C able to cure curtain types of cancers? Let me guess, it doesn't work for everybody? If that's the case, then it isn't a 'cure'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tootsie View Post
    another thing is why don't they do chemo sensitivity test to see if the chemo would work for your type of cancer? that test should be the first thing that they do.
    Patients would be informed about how Chemo and different treatments would work and the doctors would explain the chances they would have with the particular type of cancer/s they have.
    The patients would be able to stop treatment at any stage if they no longer wanted to continue. It's not like the side effects of the treatment wouldn't be addressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guysmiley View Post
    False. Chemotherapy is treating cancer cells with chemicals/pills.

    I was being a bit sarcastic, but holistic is usually anti-chemical pro-organic oils, herbs, veggies (and if they take vitamins than that's hypocritical).
    Oh jeez, I was trying to be sensitive and all like they teach you in Nursing, but I have got to chime in now. Chemo can be pretty effective. Cancer is genetically altered cells dividing at an extremely accelerated rate. Chemotherapy slows down cell reproduction. End of story.

    Obviously, to anyone who knows any damn thing, the older you are the harder this is on the rest of your body, due in part to shortened telomeres and possible chromatin condensation. It can and does kill the cancer though, it's just a matter of if the chemo or the cancer kills you first. Cancer is so diverse, there are many, many types of chemo, that can be given depending on the exact cancer you have. It's basically hit or miss though. It may target your exact form and be extremely effective, but it's like a hail mary pass and really is only good, imhho for certain cancers or when the cancer is operable and they are just trying to make sure it doesn't spread anywhere after surgery (although you have that whole cells not dividing thing to deal with, which impedes healing in a major way).

    K, now that I'm done with this little speech, I'll talk about holistic cures. Vit C, damn I wish that shit worked. When my aunt was told she had about a month to live from a very agresssive form of cancer, I researched out the wazoo. I had stayed weeks at a time at her house as a child, and I'd already lost my other aunt that lived with her. I was determined not to lose Trudy too. Basically, I dunno what to say, other than, I found and had mom try damn near every holistic cure out there. Trudy did live longer than expected, but her incision never healed. Her stomach was split open from the day of her surgery till she died. Her husband, Ed, did Chemo and even after he had lung surgery, he healed. Trudy healed after having a double masectomy from her first bout with the disease. She had chemo and lived another 15 yrs or so before developing an extrememly agressive cancer....which she decided to treat holistically, and btw, I completely supported her decision, but she was dead less than 2 mos later, and the entire last month was miserable. She halucinated, thought everyone was out to kill her, knew she was dying but was so unaccepting that she wanted to stay at the hospital, even when the Dr's told her she needed to go home and spend time with her family. It was beyond ugly. Much worse than what I've seen with Chemo actually.

    Yanno, writing this out has really changed my POV. I was always anti-chemo myself, but I never really went through these memories till this thread. Definitlely pro chemotherapy now. If you want to die a very early and painful death, go holistic. If you'd prefer to hang on a while and be excessively tired, but not feel like a garbage truck ran over then backed up again for round 2, then go chemo. At least that is what I remember, and I only listed one case, cause she was the big anti-chemo person in my family, but we ALL die of cancer, so I've seen it dozens of times, and honestly, it always seems to be the same (although every cancer is different, so it could just be that some are more easily beat, and I'm not even thinking about the radiation therapy stuff....but that shit seems to be the same, kills a few, saves a few.).
    "I hear you calling and it's needles and pins. I wanna hurt you just to hear you screaming my name...You're poision. but I don't wanna break these chains.... I wanna love you but I'd better not touch."

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    Default Re: Fucking cancer! Enough said

    i lost my mother to cancer when i was younger.

    my father was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer right before christmas and went in for a whipple surgery. he got out shortly after Christmas and the Doctors think they got it all. He'll be starting up chemo next week. Ultimately this was his decision.

    Being there for him and having a positive outlook is 50% of the battle. Please respect his decisions and support him in everything he does. he needs it.

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