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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    One thing to say...

    MFC...HUGE traiffic...50%-65% Pay.

    FUCK Stream!

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    PS. I do promotions, and I CAN tell you, their overhead for that site is NO WHERE NEAR 65% of what they bring in. They are in the profit of OVER $1mill per week range Easily...
    As much fun as I have on MFC to be 100% honest its not really a black girl site... I am a black girl (obviously) I have hit and miss days but we dont make what the white girls do on that site. I have seen a handful with CS over 2000 plus we deal with more bs so as good as the %%%%%% is I couldnt make it my main site.

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    God, I wish I could work with ALL of you and help out...seriously...we'd all be rich...well, maybe I can....once we have a regular and an indy site open, then we can do a real true camschool.

    I will do what I can to give some tips...

    But for those who say MFC is so different and wierd and whatever...AdultWork, has HUGE traffic and pays out 65% and 60% and even stays above 50% with daily pay if I'm correct...

    and 2.00 POUNDS is $3.18 for those who wonder...

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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    Good luck you're on your own . I am happy with streamate. and its spelt boycott
    I agree with this. +1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    God, I wish I could work with ALL of you and help out...seriously...we'd all be rich...well, maybe I can....once we have a regular and an indy site open, then we can do a real true camschool.

    I will do what I can to give some tips...

    But for those who say MFC is so different and wierd and whatever...AdultWork, has HUGE traffic and pays out 65% and 60% and even stays above 50% with daily pay if I'm correct...

    and 2.00 POUNDS is $3.18 for those who wonder...

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    59%-64% with daily pay added yeh.

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    Hehe it was just a suggestion , Its not like im going to jump head first into a Boycott on my own.
    Lol a one person boycott..
    But for the ones of you on here who are fed up with the low percentiles on this site,
    there got to be something done about it.

    Not only do we put up with the sexual abuse, there the mental aspect of it
    when the haters come around. And even mabey a little physical
    when you've done 11 shows in 30 minuets.

    I like Streamate as well as far as as many show i get
    But when it comes down to the payout , Im getting less
    and doing more shows.

    Ied get payed the same amount for 2 Shows on SM
    As i Would on AW..

    I posted this as support for the other girl ( I know theres a ton
    i see them) Who arnt so ok with getting 35% and feel cheated
    as well.


    I love my fellow cam girls , And I hate seeing as much as anyone els
    when a girl posted she wants to quite because she s sore
    tired and made 30Bucks.

    And as far as me personaly , I deleated my account after ,
    A fishy low pay, Sent on a late day , With a warning note on
    it to not say brb again.

    And the sad part is , I stay in the top row on SM , Higher then anywhere els I
    Stream.
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    We do lose a little bit on daily pay with the conversions on PayPal to withdraw in $ from pounds, as PayPal loves to mess the exchange rate to their favor lol. But it's still a lot cheaper than what wire fees could be!

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    Hehe
    One day ill get around to trying daily Pay,
    But for some reason i like the Weekly And Semi Weekly Pays.
    Idk I guess it makes it feel more real to me.
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    And i think im going to start working Adult Work Full time.
    I never quite got the complete fill of the site layout.

    Do most girls use the DirectChat To Work.
    Because some of the girls i have Spoken with
    say they just click the Avalible For Webcam tab and wait.
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    streamate

    1. nobody can argue about how we spend and split the revshare. 35% of huge traffic is better than 100% of nothing 6 minutes ago

    2. streamate
      I could say this over and over on all the forums I just feel it's pointless to argue for a tiny amount of people complaining 7 minutes ago

    3. streamate
      if girls are coming to our site it's because we have massive traffic nobody can compete with right tnow 7 minutes ago

    4. streamate
      so what's better 35% of 20millions visitors or 70% of 2000? we chose the more visitors and only a few complaint 9 minutes ago

    5. streamate
      looks like it's hard to understand for people. we could pay probably twice that but no traffic and no advertising so nobody 10 minutes ago

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      the 35% is the biggest cut. the other part goes to affiliates, webmasters, and TRAFFIC. No traffic=nobody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    eek! oh id love my own cam site lol
    Well, I'm working on that for us all right now....BOTH types....

    See, it used to be you opened an adult site with pics of yourself and made a large amount of money with very very little work...we all have heard those stories...well, Bambalina was around for that shit...

    Now Amateur sites are harder work...and very few make HUGE bank...

    In an odd way, I see us much like the farmers. Individual farmers were the WAY it was for a thousand years. Then corporate farms came along and almost completely wrecked family farming. But then along came the co-ops and crop buyers (that's you in this equation Jenny...with Daily Pay)...and by offering something great and cheap and healthy, they forced corporate farms to offer organic and healthier foods....

    So, we need to follow the model that has been followed in other industries, and WE need a co-op...we need to open a couple sites that offer WAY better than the corporate sites, and the corporate sites will never let us displace them...so they will HAVE to become more fair...as their girls flee to out cool sites, they will HAVE to bend and offer better to their girls. There will be no choice.

    Stream is a fucking sweat shop. Period. You know why they don't care if you boycott them? Not for the reasons above...or not entirely...mostly because Stream started out with like 5% American Girls, and 95% Russian/Romanian/Asian/Eastern Bloc women who were almost fucking starving, and they paid them MUCH less than 35%, because all of those women work for STUDIOS that take half or MORE. Those women, even today, often make 10cents per minute for a private. So, bitchy demanding American women...35%...take it or leave it...we have the traffic...

    I won't support a sweat shop...not just because it doesn't pay me as well, but because I don't want to support that sort of treatment of women, and helping Stream EXIST, supports them doing that to women worldwide.

    Plus, if you had an indy site, and you charged a dollar a minute for something, and some guy came in and said, "No, YOUR time is not worth $1, it's worth 35CENTS..." How hard would you tell him to fuck himself? Now realize Stream's insult is even worse in a way, because it says all women are worth 35 cents on the dollar. Worse yet, they record all your shows and have it in their contract that THEY own them, and they sell your content, and DON'T protect you when it gets jacked.

    They KNOW you will suck crap from their corporate ass to get that traffic, you will do ANYTHING to get their traffic, and so they can treat you like absolute garbage.

    Personally, I can't believe anyone works there....outside eastern Europe anyway....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    God, I wish I could work with ALL of you and help out...seriously...we'd all be rich...well, maybe I can....once we have a regular and an indy site open, then we can do a real true camschool.

    I will do what I can to give some tips...

    But for those who say MFC is so different and wierd and whatever...AdultWork, has HUGE traffic and pays out 65% and 60% and even stays above 50% with daily pay if I'm correct...

    and 2.00 POUNDS is $3.18 for those who wonder...

    B
    Yes, I do work Adultwork and highly recommend it - absolutely love it. Unfortunately though the income I make from there does not compare to Streamate, not even close. I do need to work on my profile more, plan to make Adultwork a priority much more.

    I do very much appreciate the tips though, definitely helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxDahl View Post
    Do you really believe that?
    yes I have watched the site for months b4 I started and heard the same from the men that frequent the site. Not just a bitter opinion because I have made $300 in no time on that site and the nxt $30 in 8hrs

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    Quote Originally Posted by minniesoporno View Post
    streamate

    1. nobody can argue about how we spend and split the revshare. 35% of huge traffic is better than 100% of nothing 6 minutes ago

    2. I could say this over and over on all the forums I just feel it's pointless to argue for a tiny amount of people complaining 7 minutes ago

    3. if girls are coming to our site it's because we have massive traffic nobody can compete with right tnow 7 minutes ago

    4. so what's better 35% of 20millions visitors or 70% of 2000? we chose the more visitors and only a few complaint 9 minutes ago

    5. looks like it's hard to understand for people. we could pay probably twice that but no traffic and no advertising so nobody 10 minutes ago

    6. the 35% is the biggest cut. the other part goes to affiliates, webmasters, and TRAFFIC. No traffic=nobody.

    1. A Fallacious Argument. ie. In debate terms, this is logically unsound.

    No-one works for sites with "Nothing" MFC does not have NOTHING, AW does not have NOTHING...there is traffic out there...and the traffic is often better prepared to spend money than those who respond to the ENDLESS spam advertising of Stream. A HUGE portion of their traffic is TRASH. Look on Alexa, Look at the amount tha stay and spends TIME there, it isn;t THAT high, and is actually LOWER than the repetitive traffic of MFC. Because MFC advertises where cammers hang out. Stream buys pop-ups on myriad adult sites with no relation to camming and promises COMPLETELY FREE camera shows with girls, in such a way as to suggest almost a dating site...Go watch their damn TV ad again, and tell me it doesn't sound like you get to MEET these girls and KNOW them...

    2. What every Union Buster has always said to stop insurrection. What every dictator says to belittle the rebellion, what every company says to stave off the massive Strike. It's just a small rabble shouting into the wind...

    Well, Guess what? Anonymous took down Visa, Mastercard, Paypal, Amazon, and so on to make a point...when they didn't like what happened with Assange...20 women can cause a LOT of trouble to Stream. Just by telling the truth.

    3. Fallacious Argument. Girls Sign up in droves for "Studios"...does that mean they are packed with traffic and a good deal? No, it means they spammed enough to make sure girls know who they are. The one who advertises better is not always the better product. Almost all computer people will tell you Linux is a Superior OS to Windows, but Linux is FREE, and Windows has BILLIONS to advertise, so we get the crappier system.

    Stream exists because of the Studio System in Europe. It always has and always will.

    4.A lie, combined with a fallacious argument. The intrinsic lie is that they CANNOT support both. They can. It isn't even that hard. They despise MFC, and generally dismiss them, even though a quick look at Alexa shows you EXACTLY that Stream's traffic is going to MFC more and more and more. Because MFC does the traffic/pay thing RIGHT. I don;t agree with everything MFC does, and I think they are never going to be completely useful as long as they allow their own rules to constantly be broken. However, they have HUGE traffic, and it is MUCH ore loyal traffic (NOT opinion...look it up on Alexa) and they spend less to advertise and pay MORE than 50%. So Stream MUST be lying since there is a provable place that HAS traffic and also pays over 50%.

    AW is another, and an even better example in some ways. VERY little in advertising, comparably, 65%, and TONS of traffic. All for a site that is more about Escorts than Camgirls (originally). Stream is just outright lying.

    5. Ah...here we go...they could pay 70% (twice what they pay) "and no advertising, so no traffic"....Think about this and how insulting it is to intelligent folk...

    Well, what about if they paid 50% and spent 20% on advertising? they would lose SOME traffic, but the girls would be paid MUCH better....How about 45% and 25% in fact that would only be a small drop in advertising, and since they advertise in places that bring low quality traffic, they could cut those and not lose any GOOD traffic.

    It is always an interesting argument when one does this dance...

    It fools people...

    Consumer:"Your product costs much too much"

    Store: "Ah, well we could GIVE IT AWAY, but then we'd be out of business!"

    What does that have to do with whether one could LOWER the price a bit?!

    Worker: "Our wages are unfair!"

    Company: "Well we could double your wages, but then no-one would buy our products because we would have to raise the price and lower the quality!"

    Worker: "But we didn't ASK for double...just a 10-20% increase..."

    Funny how debate works..eh?

    6. An absolute lie. In fact they don't even include profit...funny that...Stream is a Not For Profit CHARITY for girls. They don't even include 1% for profit. It's ALL for Girls, Affiliates, Websites, Advertising, Hosting, etc. Those poor little starving owners! We should start a charity fund for them!

    See, TRAFFIC is the buzzword. Well, what would you guys say if I told you I can get you PURE Webcam Traffic -- 100,000 hits -- for UNDER $1000? You do realize that STream brings in a LOT of money...right? If all of you ladies make AVERAGE $25 an hour, and they have 150 ladies on and the site keeps 65% (about $40 an hour)...that's more than $6000 an hour after yer paid...and we're being conservative, and you ALL know it....Wow...$144k PER DAY, after you are paid...$4.5 mill a month. CONSERVATIVELY. So let say they buy 10,000,000 hits per month...that's $100,000 on traffic. leaving them with $4.4MILLION dollars...or..less than 3% on traffic. They spend another $10k to make the commercial, and another $500k on advertising it all over the late night airwaves...We're still at $3.9 million...$50k per month for hosting...(NO way it is that high)...3.85million...

    In other words...Um...they could pay 50%...since this would change these numbers in such a way as to leave Stream with over 1Million profit per month...WELL over...I think we can see that there are lies being told....

    No matter how you jigger my number around you still can see that Stream is VERY profitable for the owners, at the expense of the girls....

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    4.A lie, combined with a fallacious argument. The intrinsic lie is that they CANNOT support both. They can. It isn't even that hard. They despise MFC, and generally dismiss them, even though a quick look at Alexa shows you EXACTLY that Stream's traffic is going to MFC more and more and more. Because MFC does the traffic/pay thing RIGHT. I don;t agree with everything MFC does, and I think they are never going to be completely useful as long as they allow their own rules to constantly be broken. However, they have HUGE traffic, and it is MUCH ore loyal traffic (NOT opinion...look it up on Alexa) and they spend less to advertise and pay MORE than 50%. So Stream MUST be lying since there is a provable place that HAS traffic and also pays over 50%.

    AW is another, and an even better example in some ways. VERY little in advertising, comparably, 65%, and TONS of traffic. All for a site that is more about Escorts than Camgirls (originally). Stream is just outright lying.


    I totally 1 billion percent agree, Also with the foreign studio base keeping them alive.
    And all there perfect foreign bods!

    Hehe My deal is , Ied rather have 2000Paying customers then 20m beggers haha.
    only 2 out of 100 guys on any site actually plans to pay. SADLY =[ lol

    But either way , theres a site for everyone , Anyone who dosnt like SM( LIke Me ) Theres tons of opptions! Thats the good side, Ive been freelancing , At Sl , And Also on free cam places , where you chat and sit and wait for a someone who wants to buy a skype show.
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    I still hate MFC I just dont have the right persona for it, at ALL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxDahl View Post
    OK.

    Here's my deal...too many people are comparing themselves to the exception and trying to make it the status quo. Of course if you do that, you'll always be disappointed. Personal goals are necessary and when those are met, pat yourself on the back. You just met your own standard. Nothing wrong with reaching for the stars, but don't expect for it to happen overnight and without a lot of hard work. It takes diligence as well as steadfastness. Even the cream of the crop are still learning how to stay relevant in a changing market.

    I don't really know what else to say but that your line of thinking is what is holding you back for the most part. I may not see any black women in the top 20 there, but I know of a few that make very good money despite what you perceive to be a handicap. Yes, there are going to be men out there who skip by your room because your look may not be their cup of tea, but that's true for a lot of women. A lot of men can't stand blondes and I know a good handful that have outright blocked all models from the EU and South America. It's not a big deal as there is a customer base for everyone out there. You just have to learn to cultivate it.

    As for the members feeding you bullshit garbage...I'm almost 100% certain that they don't contribute to the bottom line, do they? Rarely have a had a member who's tipping me well or buying shows try and tell me that I don't have what it takes to succeed on that site. Quite the contrary, actually. And for as many girls that are ahead of me in rank, I'm also ahead of a lot of others (yes, a lot of them white). But again, I don't look at the top girls and take their success as a measure to my failure. I don't even know what I'd do with that much money!

    I do agree that it may bit harder for those of certain ethnic backgrounds to win over people who come into a room expecting you to fulfill a stereotype. That's where you either get comfy with the fact that these people are pigs or revel in the fact that you didn't give them the satisfaction. They'll leave and make room for more open-minded individuals.

    I don't mean this at all as an attack or a lecture. It just rubs me the wrong way when instead of breaking the mold, people would use something as trivial as genetics as an excuse to why they can't do something. At the end of the day, you are what you think. That's how I see it.
    Totally agree. There is a market out there for everyone and everything. If you can figure out what you can offer thats the key to success. I am going to guess that most of the people on here are from the us or uk, and there is a market for that on sm, even in the land of EEFF. (eastern european flim flam)

    Now as far as SM is concerned and all of the problems with their take. I believe that their business model absolutly depends on traffic. For those inclined to think they spend their money on advertizing, I disagree. I think SM did build their site originally on the studios in eastern europe, but now the game is a bit differant. You can not simply advertize anymore and expect traffic for a site.

    I think SM made the investment into tube sites a few years back. If you look at say 80% of them out there they all seem to have the same main OS, just differant styles. This is how SM advertizes. It is simply cross-marketing at it's best. They are able to pull traffic from these porn tube sites and funnel it too the "profit making channel", which is the webcams. They were able to see it way before anyone else, and thats the reason they have what they have. Which is why I believe they have bought up as many tube sites as they have and can with the profits. It only makes sense.

    Now MFC on the otherhand, does advertize on a grassroots level with pics and the site URL. Which has proven effective and SM won't admit that, as it goes against their business model. If SM is looking to buy more tube sites, then the banks and investors won't put in the dough to make it happen. But then again, maybe they don't need them, with the 65% take......

    Really in the end, it comes down to business. Do you have the traffic and the satisfaction monetarly you are looking for? If not, then expand your base. There are many sites out there to do that with, and people on here to help you out with that....

    So in the end, maybe you want some traffic, want to make some good money, SM maybe right, but if you really put the time and effort into it, AW or niteflirt may be the way to go. If these don't work, then let's start a new thread on what the perfect cam site would be, and not just 1 BILLION % payout...

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    I often wonder at the fact that some people find it hard to believe that many humans are greedy turds who don't give a teensy little peanut fart whether you starve, live, die or even exist, except in cases where you might somehow benefit THEM. And it isn;t really strange, that, like Scrooge, these characters in the play we call life, often end up running businesses and making lots of money.

    You know, it really is quite a bit easier to make money when you have very little morals or heart, and you're willing to use and abuse others, as well as lie cheat and steal.

    BP really doesn't CARE that they screwed the gulf and did all that stuff. The President of BP really did go on a yatch race during the worst weekend of the disaster.

    Now let's look at the old school cam sites like Stream....They began their business and made their first millions on the backs of European Women who could not even feed their family. This was their original business model.

    What makes you think they care at ALL about anyone? They sell your content, steal from you, upload it to (if prescott is right) their tube sites, without paying you, and for your labors and your time and your sharing your body online, they think you are worth 1/3rd of the money while they keep 2/3rds....

    So, why would ANY of you ever post anything they SAY as if it was even possibly true? These people don't know how to tell the truth even when it is good for them.

    Lets pretend that conspiracy theory spouting Bambalina is maybe like a little bit right here...and that Stream makes over a million a week, and they invest back UNDER 1 million per month...total...affiliates, advertising, traffic, hosting, equipment, etc. $1Mill back in and they keep $3mill+ per month.

    Now, this means they knowingly pay SHIT to you and don't care...and they keep their money and laugh all the way to the bank. And since you are such suckers you keep coming back, and even if you leave they have 2000 Eastern European women ready to go....they don't NEED to even consider raising the rate...why WOULD they? To be NICE? Does that seem logical from a company that made its success off of Easter Europeans being willing to work for dirt?

    And what do you think they would say if we asked them to raise the rates, or if someone raised a stink because they pay 35% when other camsites with traffic can pay 50%-65%...Do you think they'd say "Fuck it...we don't care...the women are pieces of meat to us that make us money, nothing more and we will pay whatever piddly they will work for...."? or would they just say "Our business model is such and our traffic numbers and our advertising and blah blah, and so we can only AFFORD to pay the women 35%...and why complain? You're making money!"? I think #2 is more likely...You?

    MANY companies just rape us dry and take whatever they can...and they have no heart or soul but the BOTTOM LINE...and if you think your immune to that as a camgirl, well, trust me...porn is worse than MOST industries for heartless pricks who look down on the very producers of their industry.

    This industry belongs in our hands. Period. It won;t change very much until it is.

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    Man, I just wrote this big ole long, somewhat helpful, reply and *poof* -- into the internet ether because StripperWeb made me log back in...

    Anyhoo, here's sort of how it went:

    I realize that this probably won't stop Streamate Hatefest 2010, but I did want to chime in with some information that no one else has posted yet. If you can drive your own traffic, then you CAN make a higher percentage on Streamate using your Cam Model link. Dunno what I'm talking about, login over there and see the Tips & Tutorials section. Find the section on Promoting & read it. By using your Cam Models link you get your base 35% PLUS 40% for anyone who signs up & spends money on you. Yes, that's right, 35% + 40% = 75%. If you refer someone & you're not logged in and/or they spend money with another model, you get 20% of that.

    This means that you need to be good at doing your own marketing, if you're going to earn these higher percentages, but they can and do pay off. Building social media profiles that are worth a damn and using them ALL of the time (regardless of what sites or cam platforms you're utilizing) are terribly important. Same thing with personal websites/blogs. And the nicer thing about earning traffic this way is that it's tailored TO YOU. People who follow you on twitter can follow you anywhere -- with a moment's notice you can show them how to find you anywhere you're camming. Don't like camming on Streamate anymore? -- Get them to sign up somewhere else to see you.

    I've been camming for a very, very long time -- as both an indie & a network performer. Remember the era dial up? Yup, I've been camming since then. I've seen and used a lot of different webcam platforms, have seen a lot of them rise and fall, and Streamate isn't near as "evil" as some. On Streamate: you can set & change your prices almost any time you like (and if you can't raise them higher beyond the defaults you can contact support and they can), you don't have to have a schedule or a minimum number of hours logged in to collect what you *did* earn while you were, you don't have to score a minimum rating to get traffic to your chatroom, you don't have to perform a 1 hour a week webcam show FOR FREE that THOUSANDS of assclowns will come and watch and insult you during to be a part of the system, you have kick/block buttons that actually work, you aren't competing against your own archived camshows that members pay pennies on the dollar for while you are LIVE, your private feed(s) aren't on some mirror site that's marketed as "STOLEN PORN" that are given away FOR FREE because they are "still working out the bugs from the system, and it's just not ready yet" or whatever other bullshit they felt like spinning you that week, you aren't tricked into logging in more hours so that you can try to win some cash prize for the most amount of time online and/or in private that *mysteriously* the same three girls win every pay period. I could go on and on AND ON, but I'll stop there.

    Alrighty, I gotta go pee. Been on here way too long... I rarely post, so I hope that what I wrote up there helps at least a couple of ya'll out. I tried!

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    Hmmm well I'm not giving up Streamate totally but just haven't worked on there in awhile. Not to threadjack but I would like to know how many girls have had success using the cammodel link because I put that link out repeatedly in a lot of places including running banner ads on ebanned and posting on backpage and I never got one single sign up? Just wondering how many it works for?

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    I dont remember going on the attack against MFC I still Work there and make money so I'm not holding myself back I was making a true statement. 100% wrong I dont base my earnings around the top girls and the guys that told me that are my top tippers. They make my night they wanted to be real with me when I was going to leave mfc. Yes not every guy will be turned on by you but the facts are the facts.

    Quote Originally Posted by LuxDahl View Post
    OK.

    Here's my deal...too many people are comparing themselves to the exception and trying to make it the status quo. Of course if you do that, you'll always be disappointed. Personal goals are necessary and when those are met, pat yourself on the back. You just met your own standard. Nothing wrong with reaching for the stars, but don't expect for it to happen overnight and without a lot of hard work. It takes diligence as well as steadfastness. Even the cream of the crop are still learning how to stay relevant in a changing market.

    I don't really know what else to say but that your line of thinking is what is holding you back for the most part. I may not see any black women in the top 20 there, but I know of a few that make very good money despite what you perceive to be a handicap. Yes, there are going to be men out there who skip by your room because your look may not be their cup of tea, but that's true for a lot of women. A lot of men can't stand blondes and I know a good handful that have outright blocked all models from the EU and South America. It's not a big deal as there is a customer base for everyone out there. You just have to learn to cultivate it.

    As for the members feeding you bullshit garbage...I'm almost 100% certain that they don't contribute to the bottom line, do they? Rarely have a had a member who's tipping me well or buying shows try and tell me that I don't have what it takes to succeed on that site. Quite the contrary, actually. And for as many girls that are ahead of me in rank, I'm also ahead of a lot of others (yes, a lot of them white). But again, I don't look at the top girls and take their success as a measure to my failure. I don't even know what I'd do with that much money!

    I do agree that it may bit harder for those of certain ethnic backgrounds to win over people who come into a room expecting you to fulfill a stereotype. That's where you either get comfy with the fact that these people are pigs or revel in the fact that you didn't give them the satisfaction. They'll leave and make room for more open-minded individuals.

    I don't mean this at all as an attack or a lecture. It just rubs me the wrong way when instead of breaking the mold, people would use something as trivial as genetics as an excuse to why they can't do something. At the end of the day, you are what you think. That's how I see it.

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    there is another thing about SM that most of you probably dont know.
    they actually WANT and PREFER studios. girls from eastern european countries cant even sign up with them and work from home. SM has agreements with a studio or two in each small or big country there stating that they wont accept independent girls. they have to go though a studio, get paid 30% instead of 35% and then, if they are lucky, they will get about 40% (out of their 30%) of what they make from the studio. even if, lets say, an estonian girl who lives in us wanted to sign up with them, she would have to do it through an estonian studio, unless she has a us passport and can hide the fact that she is originally from that country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gingergina View Post
    there is another thing about SM that most of you probably dont know.
    they actually WANT and PREFER studios. girls from eastern european countries cant even sign up with them and work from home. SM has agreements with a studio or two in each small or big country there stating that they wont accept independent girls. they have to go though a studio, get paid 30% instead of 35% and then, if they are lucky, they will get about 40% (out of their 30%) of what they make from the studio. even if, lets say, an estonian girl who lives in us wanted to sign up with them, she would have to do it through an estonian studio, unless she has a us passport and can hide the fact that she is originally from that country.
    That's just cam networks in a nutshell though. This isn't exclusive to Streamate. Most of those same models are on other sites at the same time, splitting their feeds. In my humble opinion, Naked.com is one of the worst EVER.

    Sad, but true. These cam networks need performers on ALL of the time to keep up with demand and most of us US ladies don't/can't/won't put in 12 hour days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuxDahl View Post
    Well what is a black girl site?

    are you a black girl??? Plus I never... I gonna stop wasting my time on you. My opinion is my opinion. Please read what I said again because ur lost in ur own thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberlily View Post
    Man, I just wrote this big ole long, somewhat helpful, reply and *poof* -- into the internet ether because StripperWeb made me log back in...

    Anyhoo, here's sort of how it went:

    I realize that this probably won't stop Streamate Hatefest 2010, but I did want to chime in with some information that no one else has posted yet. If you can drive your own traffic, then you CAN make a higher percentage on Streamate using your Cam Model link. Dunno what I'm talking about, login over there and see the Tips & Tutorials section. Find the section on Promoting & read it. By using your Cam Models link you get your base 35% PLUS 40% for anyone who signs up & spends money on you. Yes, that's right, 35% + 40% = 75%. If you refer someone & you're not logged in and/or they spend money with another model, you get 20% of that.

    This means that you need to be good at doing your own marketing, if you're going to earn these higher percentages, but they can and do pay off. Building social media profiles that are worth a damn and using them ALL of the time (regardless of what sites or cam platforms you're utilizing) are terribly important. Same thing with personal websites/blogs. And the nicer thing about earning traffic this way is that it's tailored TO YOU. People who follow you on twitter can follow you anywhere -- with a moment's notice you can show them how to find you anywhere you're camming. Don't like camming on Streamate anymore? -- Get them to sign up somewhere else to see you.

    I've been camming for a very, very long time -- as both an indie & a network performer. Remember the era dial up? Yup, I've been camming since then. I've seen and used a lot of different webcam platforms, have seen a lot of them rise and fall, and Streamate isn't near as "evil" as some. On Streamate: you can set & change your prices almost any time you like (and if you can't raise them higher beyond the defaults you can contact support and they can), you don't have to have a schedule or a minimum number of hours logged in to collect what you *did* earn while you were, you don't have to score a minimum rating to get traffic to your chatroom, you don't have to perform a 1 hour a week webcam show FOR FREE that THOUSANDS of assclowns will come and watch and insult you during to be a part of the system, you have kick/block buttons that actually work, you aren't competing against your own archived camshows that members pay pennies on the dollar for while you are LIVE, your private feed(s) aren't on some mirror site that's marketed as "STOLEN PORN" that are given away FOR FREE because they are "still working out the bugs from the system, and it's just not ready yet" or whatever other bullshit they felt like spinning you that week, you aren't tricked into logging in more hours so that you can try to win some cash prize for the most amount of time online and/or in private that *mysteriously* the same three girls win every pay period. I could go on and on AND ON, but I'll stop there.

    Alrighty, I gotta go pee. Been on here way too long... I rarely post, so I hope that what I wrote up there helps at least a couple of ya'll out. I tried!

    you must be on Rude ? LMAO ... that just made me feel sick to my stomache.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberlily View Post
    That's just cam networks in a nutshell though. This isn't exclusive to Streamate. Most of those same models are on other sites at the same time, splitting their feeds. In my humble opinion, Naked.com is one of the worst EVER.

    Sad, but true. These cam networks need performers on ALL of the time to keep up with demand and most of us US ladies don't/can't/won't put in 12 hour days.
    i believe if those studio girls got 100% of their 30% or 35% SM is paying them, probably they wouldnt have the need to be on a zillion sites at the same time.
    i have no idea how do they manage it all. when im on SM, i have enough of chat going on there and have to pay all my attention to guys there. or maybe im just bad at multitasking

    anyways, what i was saying, i think its not fair that SM actually WANT studios and PREFER studios.

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