




Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Streamate and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story. All of you that are complaining about Streamate CHOOSE to work there. When you sign up it tells you make 35% if you were not happy with that when you read that, then you should have not signed up. It is just like the strippers that work at Deja Vu KNOWING they take a big cut. At least it is money and some money is better than no money. You all choose this profession so either deal with how it is or go work your office job.





we dont have to DEAL, with anything. When people speak UP, things CHANGE.
For those who don't know, in its beginning, streamate only gave 25%, years ago. It's true that there were only few girls online, higher traffic and the whole videochat biz was more softcore, no videos recording, but still..



I would have to disagree because it isn't a matter of people using "genetics" as an excuse. Race is much more than just "genetics" because it's a state of being; it's who you are to the core and nothing can change that. Genetics on the other hand are based upon traits that have been passed down that contribute to your outer appearance but ones which could be tolerable or better accepted to a certain point; they don't necessarily indicate ethnicity. There's nothing as you call it "trivial" about the fact that no matter what you are still being rejected because of your race without being given the chance to prove stereotypes otherwise. In this line of work or a job that pertains to the sexual industry in which your income is based upon your ability to sexually attract men or to "turn them on" and you're sent subliminal that despite everything you're never good enough b/c of your race alone then it does take a toll on people on some level. There's a difference between being a red-head (genetics) and being an Asian (race).





yall nkow 35% of your own shit is not acceptable. Yall just scared youll get banned from the site OR your just settling because you get paid anyway.
Man up an accept the truth.
( dont beat me up...lol)


I am so sick of people using "being black" as an excuse to why they are NOT making money. As a black woman I made a lot of money camming and still do whenever I get online. The whole race excuse it just that.. an excuse. Men LOVE variety. Believe it or not. It's pretty simple. This job is based on looks, body type.. etc.. If a man likes you he'll become a regular and spend lots of money on you. There is no use complaining about it.





Amber, if you know how to drive your own traffic, did you know you can get 100% on ifriends for any new customer for what they spend in your room?
The only catch is they can NEVER have had a membership there in the past and they have to use your link and your link only to sign up, and they can't surf away (but isn't it the same way at streamate - they can't have been a member before)?
I really wish I knew how to get my own traffic. I've tried a lot of times and just seem to find broke losers who want freebies, has been a waste of my time.
I always look at being black in the cam world as a good thing. I am a minority. If and when I'm on Streamate I'm always in the top five on the "Ebony" page. Why? There are never more than 80 some odd black girls on. I love it. Not only that, I'm one of the few attractive, American, well spoken black girls. Besides, these men don't care about specifics, most of them just want to bust a nut...pussy is pussy.
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I am *moderately* successful at driving my own traffic. I do get some crossover sales from the different social media outlets I use, my websites (yup, I've got more than one), my blogs (yup, I've got more than one of those too), but I wouldn't say that I'm the best at it -- I'm just always trying. Always.
In my earlier cam days, I did try out iFriends with mixed results... I missed the iFriends heyday and now they're pretty much in the shitter, so I just skip that one from the line up of places I try to promote. (I even promote sites I don't like because they convert well.)
I would LOVE to promote you via twitter... What's your username at Streamate, chixplease?
This goes for anyone else that works Streamate regularly. Follow me at twitter and do an @reply and I'll try to get the word out that you're on & looking for shows. (I'll be using my own Cam Model's link, but you'll be getting guys who are into "girls next door" and not "porn stars" -- here's me at twitter: http://www.twitter.com/amberlily)
Also, and this is work mentioning, if you use twitter & work Streamate start following them and use @Streamate when you're promoting your own Cam Models link and if they are online -- they WILL retweet your Cam Models link to their growing list of followers. It's a nice gesture that I'm not sure they'll always be in a position to do, it's a real person and not a bot RT'ing you right now, so jump on it for as long as it lasts. Using hashtags like #Streamate or #ILoveStreamate are helpful also.




What I don't get...If you are really any good at all at driving traffic somewhere...why would you not drive it to your own website for skype shows where you keep 100%?
In fact, I don't have a CLUE as to the realities of the girls on this forum and I realize that with THIS post. Every girl I ever promoted ends up with a site and 30-50 regular sugar-daddies. THAT is the outcome of camming. I mean, if you ask yourself, "What is the outcome I'm looking for?" The answer should be "To have awebsite where I keep all the money from trusted Sugars who I actually like camming for and who appreicate me."
Notice...all my first posts were pointed in THAT direction, but then I've slowly come to realize that to varying degrees, most of the girls on here were just bouncing around from cam site to cam site...Posting threads about how they love MFC/Stream/IM/Camz/Indy/AW, and then a week or two later, how they can't make money, or hate the free shows, or hate the other girls showing shit, or whatever, and NOW they love YaddaYaddaBlahBlahCam...
In the end, this is not a complaint I'm posting, even if it seems like one...the bitching and moaning is the natural extension of what I keep on hammering in every post I write. ALL of these sites are run by men who don't give a fucking fig for you or your bottom line or your experience or your income, except as it drags yer broke ass into their Site.
Guess what...If a camsite (Stream for example) that pays CRAPPY, and has 200-250 girls on lots of time, and keeps HUGE money from you...If that site started paying 70%, it's BAD for them...You might say "Duh, of course! They lose 35%!" But that's not true...they lose 35%, plus you now make $400-$500 per day...and when most girls make $500 per day, guess what? They DON'T go "Cool! I now make $2500 per week!"...They ACTUALLY go "Cool, I made $500, now I don't have to work anymore this week!" And that 200-250 online at any given time drops to 40-50 online...
It is a VERY small percentage of the women out there who are driven go-getters...most just want to make their $300-$500 per week and be done with it.
None of this can ever be fixed or addressed in the system the way it exists now. A whole new kind of camsite needs to open up (guess who is working on it?) that actually addresses all this stuff.
Anyway...you guys gave me a new thread to start...Watch for it.
Your post in really interesting, but in the end it is the same thing again, that always happens when People actually want to change the status quo. When they tried to Unionize the Auto Industry and they were getting fire-hosed, the auto workers who were crossing the picket lines said "At least we aren't the GARMENT Industry with their child labor!!!" It's the tendency of humanity to be sheep/cattle. Most people will follow the other lemmings off the cliff. Overall it is MUCH easier to stay in the KNOWN rut, than to go do something completely different.
Why do you think the people who make Millions or Billions (as opposed to those who inherit) are all known for "thinking outside the box"? Because all the other shlumps are slogging away in their rut, saying "This works, it's EASY!" and selling themselves short in a life that is ONE TIME through, and then yer dead. No time for slogging...no time for ruts...No second chance.
Anyway...WAY to philosophical and metaphysical for SW I think...We need to bust out of the box....that's the long and the short of it.
To say, "Stream is definitely Evil Woman Hating Misogynists who hold webcam girls down worldwide and all for their own bottom line with no heart, soul or morality...but at least they aren't as evil as DevilCams..." is not a good reason to work for them or associate with them....
There are camsites out there who are a lil greedy and maybe a lil lame, but NOT evil. So why not work for those? Or yourself?
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Amber...you realize that your saying the same thing again as the other post?
Someone goes "Here, look at this horrible anti-woman, behavior...behavior which holds down third-worlders, hurts US cam girls by giving preferential treatment to the people who will work for dirt, and in general shows a disrespect for humanity in general and women in particular...."
And you go "Well that's just cam sites!"
But it ISN'T AW or MFC...It isn't independent camming...NiteFlirt...even CamContacts (I know, that one has no traffic, but it IS far more fair and far more (not just a little) appropriate towards women). So to point out that there is a big group of evil fuckers out there, should be to point out that Stream belongs with the group we boycott and don;t work for....not "oh well..."
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Gotta say...I have been to a couple of the strip clubs that cater to black women ONLY, and it sure brings in a LOT of the guys who love a beautiful brown-skinned lady...It provides a gathering place for like minded individuals, and it makes for an experience that is unique....
Just my take...I think a "SexyChocolate Cams" could work well....if done right...
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Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Apartheid and how they treat you then go somewhere else and live. Stop complaining and go live elsewhere. End of story.
Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like Sweatshops and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story.
Alright all I gotta say here is if you do not like the Garment Industry in the 60s (think Norma Rae) and how they pay then go somewhere else and work. Stop complaining and go make money elsewhere. End of story.
Screw THAT! If things aren't fair and you don't like them, it is your right and responsibility to stand up and SHOUT! I'm MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE! So, take your complaining about our complaining, and go read OTHER threads. What, do you work for Stream? What does it benefit you to silence people who are airing their grievances? A cornerstone of the American Way and our Constitution, but the way...
My hope is that this isn't like MOST things here in the US where it is just whining before going back, tail between the legs, to Stream for another helping of shit stew...
Really dumb...there are three or four sites in the world with enough real traffic to sustain a living. Each has a VERY different style and way of appealing to customers...so if the one where you get business is Stream, yet you feel they are completely unfair in their pay...You say "Just shut up and take it.." What kind of personality do you have that thinks that way? I just don't get it...
"Don't rebel against unfairness!"...What up with THAT?
The phrase "Some Money is Better Than No Money" resonates throughout this thread with all of those who argue that Stream is FINE. It is the most senseless ridiculous statement on this entire website....because how far does it extend? If everywhere started paying 25cents an hour, would you just say "Oh well...Some Money is Better Than No Money"...If you loaned someone $100 and they gave you back $14 and said "Some Money is Better Than No Money" would you accept it? Well...
TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE!
"All Of My Money is Better Than Some Of My Money!"
Or
"All Of My Pay is Better Than Some Of My Pay!"
in other words...
"All The Money is Better Than Some of the money."
Wow....that works way better for me and makes all our lives better if we ALL demanded it be WAY closer to THAT than your silly phrase...
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I actually am stunned and bemused that there is ANYONE defending a site that rips them a new asshole everytime they log on?
Stream is SHIT. Accept it...it's just the easy way out...
I mean...the one thing I will say positive about Stream is that it keeps the girls who like it easy and spoonfed off the truly good sites....
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Um...you are COMPLETELY wrong. Seriously...I'd delete this if I was you, because it just looks really ignorant of the meaning of the word Genetics.
Your DNA is above and supersedes and DETERMINES your race. Really. Look it up. Genetics...IS you. All you are is Genetics, including all the experiences you have had BECAUSE of those Genetics. Black Skin is a Genetic Trait. And very little more...Raise a Black person in a black family, and they "act black" as far as cultural behaviors, raise them in a white family, and the same is true for "acting white" culturally. I wish a true African could chime in here and comment on this idea....
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PS.
ge·net·ics definition
Pronunciation: /jə-ˈnet-iks/
Function: noun plural but singular in construction
1 a : a branch of biology that deals with the heredity and variation of organisms
b : a treatise or textbook on genetics
2 : the genetic makeup and phenomena of an organism, type, group, or condition
also;
Because I don't get to keep 100%.
--Credit card processing fees--
Someone has to do the credit card processing for these camshow sales -- and fees are taken out. The percentage outgoing depends on how/who's doing the payment processing, of course, but we're already down 15-20% and gosh, those chargebacks are fun. Keeping up with the Visa/MC deposits with these processors is lovely too, being that we're "high risk" adult entertainment and everything. So unless, I'm going to go to all the trouble to get my camming dudes to send me cash via snail mail which has a number of risks, the least of which is having their money get lost in the mail, and they have to wait to get off with me until their payment shows up and guess who's boner is probably long gone by then?) Just factoring having a merchant account to do the credit card processing already has me at less than 100%.
--Website Hosting--
My sites aren't hosted for free, there's another bill. I'm fortunate to be in a partnership of sorts with some good friends of mine with much bigger sites than mine, I'm pretty much their tag along for as long as they'll have me, but they spend a small fortune every month to keep our sites up. Making sure our sites experience little to no downtime and are backed up (in the rare event of a server hard drive failure -- that happened to us in November and was all kinds of soul-crushing) means forking over more money.
--Using/Paying for 3rd Party Services/Software--
I'm gonna take a stab that you're not very familiar with Skype & don't realize that they are technically a third party service that experiences downtimes. And the quality of the video stream there is definitely NOT as good as those on the big network sites we're ragging on... Skype's better than Yahoo & Eyeball, but it's not the awesomest. To really be totally and completely "independent" -- you'd need to purchase your own video streaming software and anything that's worth a damn is expensive so there's yet more money that you'd need to invest and keep investing in as upgrades are necessary. Having programmers standing by to fix stuff as it goes out. Cha-ching! That's more money flying out of this keep 100% idea.
I think it's wonderful that you're working on something and can't wait to see the results! More power to ya, Bambalina!![]()
Not "just cam sites" -- I was more specifically talking about big box cam network types: ImLive, LiveJasmin, Flirt4Free, Naked, Webcams.com, Cams.com, CamWorld, and ect. Not so much with the other sorts that you've mentioned like AW and MFC.
By all means, utilize the places that work for you.




But card processing fees equate directly to either long waiting times to receive pay, or Payoneer/AlertPay/Bank Transfer/Etc. Fees accrued through the camsites.
See, when I say "keep 100%"...that is a reference to the actual money being spent on your camshow not going to someone else first to have 35% plucked out or whatever.
Your point is well taken, but in general, MOST of the women here are paying some sort of fees to transfer or receive their money, and so the processing fees are a moot point.
Um...HostGator.com for the websites we're discussing? ABSOLUTELY fine and costs $9.95 per month for:
- UNLIMITED Domains
- UNLIMITED Disk Space
- UNLIMITED Bandwidth
- Shared SSL Certificate
Meaning you can have 5 or ten different sites on this account.
So if you make $1000 per month (hoping you do WAY better than that) then you are spending 1% on hosting...so yer right...NOT 100%....99% at least as far as hosting goes.
Well, we will agree to disagree here. Every Indy camgirl, who is making a living uses Skype/MSN/Yahoo MAINLY and Eyeball/ICQ/Etc. Secondarily. All of those are free, and it is rare that ALL of them are down.
For those more adventurous....
Red5
100% Free....
I'll do a thread about it...you guys need some red5
Thanks and nothing here is intended as an affront...just that I think there is a way to do this with ALMOST all the money in your pocket, and I have with many women. Can't really argue SOME processing fees...but I usually ignore those because they exist generally across the board.
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We agree here in the main then...except I consider MFC and AW to be BIG High Traffic sites of a quality equal to any of the others you named...as far as traffic goes and such, especially when you analyze the traffic patterns with regard to retention and time spent on site, both AW and MFC truly do "blow away" the other sites you list up there...
And overall, I think (and believe me, I understand the power in those first two words, as compared to what reality will DO) anything that truly reaches for a positive change and a new paradigm for the women who actually create the eros in the erotic industry, should be applauded and cheered and supported.
I just didn't read those two posts as doing that, and read them more as apologetics for the Big Cam sites, or even Stream in particular.
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