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    Default How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    This should actually be called Union Organizing 101....Because there are proven ways to organize workers in ANY industry for better treatment and pay.

    First off, boycotting Streamate won;t work....yet....

    There are not enough people aware and ready to back you, and a boycott of 50 people is ridiculous.

    So...First step in any Organizing campaign is called "Agitation"...

    That means you bitches have to become the annoying thorn, the buzzing bee, the whining child, the squeaky wheel...and I can tell you from YEARS of reading this damn board...we got some squeaky motherfuckin' wheeels!

    So, first line of offense is to make more people aware that there are problems. And this includes and specifically can even target customers. Because your customers feel VERY ripped off when they realize they spent $100 and you only got $35...They HATE that...and those customers are REALLY important to Stream...

    So...first 2 suggestions...if 10 of you (and those who want to help who don't even work on stream, or hate stream because they are evil, or any other good reason, like you LIKE these fucking misfits on here and want to help them make more money!) or even 20 of your started writing e-mails to stream complaining and asking about better pay, and ALSO (with a different address) wrote as customers saying that you will no longer spend ANY money on Stream, because you were unaware of the unfair working conditions for women, and that 35% is a ripoff and you are going to MFC.

    Second...get yer ass of stream, and get yourself banned...take as long as humanly possible to do it...then change yer IP address, do it again...change again...do it again...(if you need help with changing IP addresses to avoid banning, lemme know)...

    How? LEGALLY that's how!


    Go to Stream, engage the women there as "Fellow CamGirls" and ask them if they will come here and read THIS thread or the Boycott One....Easy. Then make sure to tell everyone in the room that the girl they are watching only makes 35% of the money they give and that they should meet her on skype and let her keep it all and stuff....within 2 weeks, almost ALL of the girls on Stream could be aware of this whole thing and all the guys....

    If you are QUITTING Stream or Pissed, or have an old account...go out in a blaze of glory...these things will actually make a difference, since they affect many many people.

    Do NOT do anything (obviously) which is rude to the lady your visiting, or would negatively impact HER experience...say yer piece and get out...go to the next one...say yer piece and get out...if enough people do it, it will make a HUGE impact.

    That is the the first step...

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    I don't have a massive passion about this 35% business... but I like your style!

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
    I don't have a massive passion about this 35% business... but I like your style!

    Thank you!

    And you SHOULD have more passion...even if you don't even USE stream...

    A rising tide raises all boats. Know what I'm sayin?

    Also, even those who think "wow...I make a lot on Stream" should be able to see that if stream raises the percents by even 5% they will make 5% MORE on ALOT. No woman has anything to lose here by supporting this and that is what needs to be made clear again and again. The only people who lose, are the unbelievably rich owners of Streamate. EVERY women, even the ones who say "Quit Whining" wins....women on IMLive and Camz win, when the largest major webcam provider gives a raise...what do you think they will ALL have to do? Everytime a girl vocally goes Indy, every girl on the cam sites wins...because they (the EFO - Evil Fucking Owners) get a little more worried...every little bit women stand up and fight, and do it themselves and change the system, every little bit is like an itchy little burr in their fat ol' wallets, or a little hole opening bigger to let more money out....and they WILL react sooner or later and be forced to respond and fix it...Read your union history...

    And who knows, this may very well be the true beginning of the Webcam Girls Alliance...a co-op/union of women who stand together and make sure this business pays what it should and that yer not giving away the treasures for pittance....

    So, my opinion...EVERY camgirl should be PASSIONATE....about their money and their place in this world....

    And guess what? I don't even cam anymore really...I am working on my nice fair websites with profit sharing and profit re-investment and such...so I don't have a real dog in this fight...In fact, if I truly make Streamate BETTER, it will lower my bottom line...I just know what's right...

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Some girls..your sisters...are STILL being paid 35%....

    We can organize and change things...it isn't that hard.

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    Really awesome Bambalina. I'm down to do this even though I don't work on Streamate. They have to be stopped. This shit is ridiculous.

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Not to sound negative...I'm ALL IN FAVOR of doing whatever it takes to get a higher percentage out of streamate, but it just seems like we are forgetting about all the other sites that only give us 30-35%. Streamate isn't the only site around that pays that low.
    I haven't been around all that long, and haven't worked on a ton of sites, but what about IMLive, cams.com and some of the others? Don't they pay that low too and take chargebacks out of your pay?

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    I'm not on Streamate (as they won't allow me to register because I live in South America ), but I do have an idea. It's a suggestion you SM girls could make to the site, that wouldn't sound so harsh or demanding for the site owners (I think it helps a lot when you ask for something that the other "part" in conflict can also regard as an "improvement" or, at least, beneficial to both parts). Streamate pays olnly, 35%, right? Why don't you all suggest they start doing this:

    - For the first 10 minutes in private/pay chat, the 35% would be applied.
    - For the next 5 minutes (10 to 15 minutes of private) you would earn 40%.
    - For the next 5 minutes, (15 to 20), 45%.
    - From 20 to whatever, 50%.
    - Maybe even, as a reward if you can keep the guy for a really long period of time, let's say, more than 1 hour, 60%.

    This way, not only the total percentage would increase, but you can use the argument that you would make an effort to keep the guy longer in the room, actually making MORE MONEY, not only for yourselves, but also to THEM. They might buy that because, after all, it's true! I worked on Cams.com (30%, if my memory server me well), and I remember I didn't have the motivation to put a long show together doing more "extreme" things knowing that my cut would be only a ridiculous 30%. All I wanted was to finish the "simplest" show I could do and wait for the next one.

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    I want 50% straight out the gate, fuck an incentive.

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Yeah, me too..! But the only site that offers 50% with an acceptable traffic is IFriends... And it's actually 45% since they hold the 10% reserve (ok ok, it will be returned to you, but immediately, it's 45%). And it has the privacy issues alluded here on another thread. I'm thinking that Streamate can simply ignore the models that ask for a higher percentage, since they have tons of new applicants every day and can use the card "most sites offer 35% or less".

    And well, let's face it, the majority of us is not willing to give a try on a new site that offers 50% or more but has low traffic... Those sites tend to die after a few months. Streamate is easy, the traffic is there and you basically don't have to do a lot of promotion... Maybe if SM performers would start to split between one of these sites and SM, gradually making the 50% work till they can earn make more on it than on SM, quitting SM after...

    Anyway, I'm just wondering aloud! I actually think 50% is still a rape...

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    Yeah, me too..! But the only site that offers 50% with an acceptable traffic is IFriends.
    I can't seem to ever get much traffic there.

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    MissM...both MFC and Adultwork have very nice traffic, and offer MORE than 50%...One of the girls I promote, does AW and NEVER (pretty much) leaves private...

    There are a couple sites worth working....

    I almost think it would be worthwhile to put together a pool of money...say 40 girls at $20 each, and buy 100,000 hits for Camcontacts...and then everyone can migrate there until I can get a site up...

    Also, believe me, I am DYING to tell you guys more details about the site we are planning...and it WILL pay at least 50% obviously....but I would be locked in the cupboard if I spill too much....

    So for now, work continues on the Indy site.....

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Not to be a buzzkill, but seriously, the camsites spend much more money than most of you realize for expenses other than paying the models.

    Adult credit card processing = 7-15%. Figure 10% on average.
    Marketing and affiliate link costs - you can safely figure 20%.
    Then there are their own employee salaries, hosting and bandwidth costs, general business expenses...by the time it's all said and done they are easily spending up to 50% of income on expenses before paying the models. iFriends used to pay 50% always and they nearly went out of business so they had to lower their payouts in order to turn a profit and stay in business.

    The camsites aren't being as greedy as we might like to think. There isn't much wiggle room when it comes to model payout percentages. Every business owner expects to make a reasonable return on investment, and a camsite isn't a cheap investment. The models think it's easy because they basically plug in a cam and go, but a whole lot of time, money and work went into making it possible for you to do that. It takes much more time and money than you realize to start and run a camsite.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    I almost think it would be worthwhile to put together a pool of money...say 40 girls at $20 each, and buy 100,000 hits for Camcontacts...and then everyone can migrate there until I can get a site up...

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    I'd definitely be game for that! $20! I'd be in for sure. I'm already on Camcontacts but the low traffic and low prices (models are on there for literally pennies, 50 cents per minute) killed it for me, haven't been live there in awhile. If there were traffic though I think I'd give it another shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Not to be a buzzkill, but seriously, the camsites spend much more money than most of you realize for expenses other than paying the models.

    Adult credit card processing = 7-15%. Figure 10% on average.
    Marketing and affiliate link costs - you can safely figure 20%.
    Then there are their own employee salaries, hosting and bandwidth costs, general business expenses...by the time it's all said and done they are easily spending up to 50% of income on expenses before paying the models. iFriends used to pay 50% always and they nearly went out of business so they had to lower their payouts in order to turn a profit and stay in business.

    The camsites aren't being as greedy as we might like to think. There isn't much wiggle room when it comes to model payout percentages. Every business owner expects to make a reasonable return on investment, and a camsite isn't a cheap investment. The models think it's easy because they basically plug in a cam and go, but a whole lot of time, money and work went into making it possible for you to do that. It takes much more time and money than you realize to start and run a camsite.
    I disagree. I've worked with and semi-"run" larger adult sites in the past and I know how this works first hand.

    And as for it taking time money and effort to open a cam site...I agree, but I'm DOING it right now...so I will be able to talk from a firsthand perspective there as time goes by....

    But where you primarily go wrong is the assumption that expenses scale equally, and this just is NOT true...Even as shown by your credit card processing costs...or chargeback costs, or any of a number of other expenses...when a camsite starts out and is small, it is VERY hard to pay really high rates, because the gross income is low, but the need for traffic and such is also lower. As a camsite grows howver, the income quickly outpaces the expenditures for traffic, and the credit card rate goes from 15% to 7%...and it takes a few more employees to run a higher traffic site, but only a few..I have seen sites running $250,000 per week that were run and organized by 3-4 individuals...and face it...camsites are fairly turnkey because they provide their own CONTENT...So, when you making $10k a week, you're spending $5k on expenses...agreed...but when you are making $500k per week gross, you are then spending $50k per week..ie. the income grows 100times and the expenditures grow 10times...that is one layer of magnitude...and it gets better for the camsites at even higher levels...

    Either way, the main position or proposition of "Camsites must spend large amounts and pay lower rates to models to keep costs down" is a provable fallacy. Because all one has to do is point to sites with TRAFFIC, where BIG MONEY changes hands, and they pay over 50%, to see that the proposition above is JUST NOT TRUE. And I rest case with Adultwork and MyFreeCams. If they CAN do it, it CAN be done. So either Streamate pays 35% because they are knowingly taking even last cent they can, and fucking the models...or they are an EXTREMELY poor business model, since they can see their competition paying higher rates and cannot repair their business model...either way, bottom line, 50% pay is DOable, because it is being done on a large scale with one of the most killer success stories in the camworld...MFC.

    People can keep on saying webcam sites have huge expenses, but in the end, not so much....and the sites who DO pay more fairly prove this beyond all doubt, because they are doing it and exist.

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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    So either Streamate pays 35% because they are knowingly taking even last cent they can, and fucking the models...or they are an EXTREMELY poor business model, since they can see their competition paying higher rates and cannot repair their business model...either way, bottom line, 50% pay is DOable, because it is being done on a large scale with one of the most killer success stories in the camworld...MFC.

    People can keep on saying webcam sites have huge expenses, but in the end, not so much.


    I'm with you on that, Bambalina. And you mentioned AW and MFC. Those happen to be my FAVORITE cam sites...I'm very happy with them.


    And, in my opinion, there's absolutely no excuse for ImLive to be paying models 30%. ImLive was ALWAYS awarding top hosts with extravagant gifts (and I'm talking Gucci, Prada, etc...some real nice shit). So...they're only paying models 30%, yet they're giving away fancy gifts like Gucci bags, etc on a regular basis??? Hmmm.....

    Instead of trying to impress us with shiny diamond necklaces or whatever is the current prize to be won, they need to use their money to pay models better, because 30% is just pitiful. And that Sexier.com site they had started.....I don't get why they even bothered with that (again...money that could've been used elsewhere), and there was so much negative feedback about Sexier.

    I used to think ImLive had the worst percentage when it comes to cam sites, until I got with Internet Modeling (20%...OUCH!!!).
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    Default Re: How to Change Streamate and MAKE them pay you more.

    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    Yeah, me too..! But the only site that offers 50% with an acceptable traffic is IFriends.



    Yup, and even then, that 50% is only if you're on IFriends and NOT on other sites. If you're on another site(s) besides them, thats bumps you down to 35%.....that SUCKS.

    I'm very happy being on AdultWork and MyFreeCams, and after the day that I had today, I'm definitely gonna continue working day AND night shifts on both sites whenever I get the chance. I want to accomplish my 2-bedroom apartment goal this year.
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    I have to admit that I have been working for streamate for a couple weeks, and I have been doing very well. Spending all my time in privates, etc. I HAD been considering the amount they took as an investment to make the money I have been making. Well today, I added up how much they actually got, and what I received and I got sick. For instance, today I already received a 300 Gold tip....I only received $60 dollars of that...That is the part that makes me sick..The tips should be ours to keep..Very frustrating. I think I have paid in to them MORE than should be allowed..Crazy stuff

    Sorry for the bad typing. I'm in a hurry

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    How can you receive $60 of a $300 tip?? Are you signed up with a studio? :-/ you should be getting $105. I don't get this....

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    no I am not signed up with a studio. That is why I am irate....I haven't received a message back yet..It literally says I get 60 dollars of it. I have yet to figure out why

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    Quote Originally Posted by playmate_tori View Post
    no I am not signed up with a studio. That is why I am irate....I haven't received a message back yet..It literally says I get 60 dollars of it. I have yet to figure out why
    Something is very wrong. You are only getting 20%. I always have gotten 35% from the very beginning. What are your stats showing for per-minute shows? It should be 35% across the board for everything, including tips. Really sounds like it HAS to be through a studio. Could you have signed up through a studio link without realizing it?

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    no they told me that it was an ACCIDENT and that it should be fixed. I am so pissed off right now

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    I really HATE Streamate! Just sayin' to be having the discussion of whether she should get $60 of her $300 or $105 of her $300...is disgusting...that either is even minimally acceptable to anyone....

    Sigh....

    Maybe we really do need a union?

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    Do you guys realize that if you make $100,000 on streamate, you get to keep 35k..so if you make enough to buy a house...you get to keep the down-payment...how shitty is that?

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    That is why I am focusing my attention on sites that pay over 50%. Niteflirt especially, because I am building up a lot of regulars there, and 70% is just too lovely.

    I havn't even cammed on streamate since November, because I don't like the fact that I am not being treated the same as the girls who are on a 1 week delay. Not to mention the fact that they didn't even respond to my last 2 emails, and yes I was professional and polite.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Do you guys realize that if you make $100,000 on streamate, you get to keep 35k..so if you make enough to buy a house...you get to keep the down-payment...how shitty is that?

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    I am starting to dislike them too They really are sad :-(

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