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    I'm trying to find a way to work in New York - I'm there a few times a year on holiday, and would really like to work when I'm there to make some extra cash. Only problem is - I'm not a US citizen!!

    I have both British and Canadian citizenship, and I'm wondering if any of you girls know how to do this by getting a visa? From the research I've done, it looks like you can only get visas to work "seasonal jobs", for which you need a job lined up, and which only covers serving, bartending, etc. Other than that, there seem to be specialist professional visas (don't think I can fit THAT category) or a visa gained through a company sponsoring you to work for them. None of these would allow me to work in a club, but there HAS to be a way...

    Ideas? Have any of you done this?

    Failing all of the above - New Yorkers - do you know of any clubs that do not check whether or not you can legally work in that country?
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    Could you try and contact a club to get a waitressing/bartending job lined up and then just be a stripper once you get there? I could see this being an issue only in terms of taxes, as the government would have you on file for having a visa and job at this place, but then you wouldn't have paychecks or anything from them.

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    I say come, visit, see the sights, spend your money buy a "I heart NY" t-shirt. But, if you want to work, go get an H1 visa.

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    Flashdancers, Private eyes, New York Dolls (all the same company), Lace 1 and Lace 2 will all let you work without a visa, every other club does require a social security.
    out of these clubs i would recommend Flash first, all though it is the hardest to get hired at then private eyes and lace 1. Hope this helps..if you need any more info PM me xxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by hennessy24 View Post
    Flashdancers, Private eyes, New York Dolls (all the same company), Lace 1 and Lace 2 will all let you work without a visa, every other club does require a social security.
    out of these clubs i would recommend Flash first, all though it is the hardest to get hired at then private eyes and lace 1. Hope this helps..if you need any more info PM me xxx
    Can anyone else validate this statement that works at any of these clubs currently?
    From what I know, you still need a visa in NY at all the clubs I have been to here.

    If you are vacationing anyway, I think it might be worth looking into. However, if you are paying travel costs and hotel and you are unsure if you can legitimately work in NY it may be a disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zofia View Post
    I say come, visit, see the sights, spend your money buy a "I heart NY" t-shirt. But, if you want to work, go get an H1 visa.

    Z

    Do you mean a H1B visa? You can't strip on that - you need an employer to sponsor you...

    I am already in new York a couple times a year, and have yet to find a legal way to work, which is why I'm looking for less stringent clubs...

    Thanks for the other suggestions - I'll have a look and see how close they are to where I stay, check out websites and give it a shot when I'm downnext! : )
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    why don't can't you do it legally? meaning find a way to follow USA Laws, then if you are ever caught, you won't get your hiney booted out for good...

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    ^ I think she said she had done some research and was having trouble finding the proper visa to get, and looking for assistance as to how/what kind of visa she needs...and, failing to be able to find a way to dance in NY legally, looking to less strict clubs.

    I was also looking into the same kind of thing more out of curiosity than anything, I'd like to live in new york for a bit at some point, most likely when I am done school, but if I got, say, a really great internship there, I'd definitely want to dance to cover my expenses. subscribed

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    I just had another idea/question for you: fake ids? I know you can get really good ones where they take your picture you sign it, and it has a legitimate address on it, and they even work under blacklight. In canada they only ever check your id so I know it would be pretty easy for someone to get around working without a visa here with a decent fake, wondering if you could pull the same stint in the states if you really needed to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEAD TURNER 2 View Post
    Can anyone else validate this statement that works at any of these clubs currently?
    From what I know, you still need a visa in NY at all the clubs I have been to here.

    If you are vacationing anyway, I think it might be worth looking into. However, if you are paying travel costs and hotel and you are unsure if you can legitimately work in NY it may be a disaster.

    Ive worked at all of these clubs on & off for about 3 years. I know several girls that work there & don't have papers. Personally for me when I got hired I just had my id to show my age. It wasn't until last year after they kept bugging me to bring in my social security card for tax reasons. A lot of clubs ask for it up front cuz when you turn in funny money they write you a check. But at these 3 clubs you get cash for your funny money the same day you earn it. No checks.

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    why don't can't you do it legally? meaning find a way to follow USA Laws, then if you are ever caught, you won't get your hiney booted out for good...
    In order to legally work in a US club, foreign girls need to obtain work visas specific to exotic dancing. However, unless the foreign girl is a feature dancer, there is no way that the US State Dep't is going to approve work visas for foreign dancers when there are US dancers looking for work !


    It wasn't until last year after they kept bugging me to bring in my social security card for tax reasons.
    Under the US patriot act, employers are required to verify the citizenship / US resident alien status of any new 'workers' before allowing them to work. This requires a US passport or a US state driver's license plus some other form of ID. Indeed the Social Security NUMBER is needed to allow clubs to properly account for cash payouts to dancers. In general, any 'corporate' club is going to follow through on these legal requirements.

    Yes there are clubs that will bypass all of the above legal requirements. But in general, these clubs generally treat compliance with prostitution laws, drug laws etc. with the same disdain they show for compliance with the Patriot Act and US tax laws.

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    Melonie, do you know if there is any way one would be able to dance with a student/temporary visa like one you'd get for an internship or to study in the states that would allow you to have regular jobs to help finance your stay?

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    [quote=Melonie;2044475]In order to legally work in a US club, foreign girls need to obtain work visas specific to exotic dancing. However, unless the foreign girl is a feature dancer, there is no way that the US State Dep't is going to approve work visas for foreign dancers when there are US dancers looking for work !



    Do you have any info or advice on how you would apply for a work visa as a feature dancer?? xx

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    ^^^^^this question was for melonie :-) xx

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    I just started working days at NY Dolls and they still haven't asked me for my ID. It's been like two weeks. I think that's pretty normal for the Flash chain.

    I wouldn't work nights at NY Dolls, though; I just don't like the atmosphere, and there's no VIP upsell to speak of. I am willing to trade that for daylight and going to sleep at 11pm, but you want to make money. Try Private Eyes or Flashdancers.

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    There's no VIP at all at NY dolls? ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    ^ I think she said she had done some research and was having trouble finding the proper visa to get, and looking for assistance as to how/what kind of visa she needs...and, failing to be able to find a way to dance in NY legally, looking to less strict clubs.

    I was also looking into the same kind of thing more out of curiosity than anything, I'd like to live in new york for a bit at some point, most likely when I am done school, but if I got, say, a really great internship there, I'd definitely want to dance to cover my expenses. subscribed

    Exactly!! Thank you for understanding my post - I would love to work legally, I WANT to work legally, but I can't find a way to do so!!!

    From the research I have done, there is no appropriate visa - I either need a specialized profession or a company to sponsor me (and no - you can't work on a student visa. The us is one of the hardest places to go to work, so I am looking for anyone who has done this before.

    Thanks for the suggestions of jobs that haven't asked for id...my current club doesn't.

    I also wouldn't be comfortable getting a fake id. On the off chance that someone came into the club, I could easily claim to have forgotten id than risk being caught working on a fake!!
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    From the research I have done, there is no appropriate visa - I either need a specialized profession or a company to sponsor me
    This 'angle' has been used by some 'agents'. For example, a legal immigrant ( originally from eastern europe ) now living in the NY area managed to establish a business entity as an agency. That business entity then was able to sponsor US work visas for dancers to be 'imported' from eastern european countries to legally work for this agency. However, this sham was busted after the 'imported' girls complained to US authorities regarding the 'beyond just dancing' requirements placed on them under threat of being 'sent back home' or worse if the girls didn't 'perform' as expected.

    and no - you can't work on a student visa
    Under the Patriot Act, student visa work is now limited to working at / for the educational institution the foreign student is attending. Unless there happens to be a strip club on campus ....

    Do you have any info or advice on how you would apply for a work visa as a feature dancer??
    As to applying for a work visa as a feature dancer, this is usually handled via your agent. As long as you have a preset schedule of when you will be flying into the USA, what US clubs you will be appearing at on which dates, and when you will be flying out of the USA again, the visa is usually very easy to get via the US State Dept at a US consulate in your home country. And before you ask, no a visa will not be issued in the absence of a preset schedule of pre-arranged US club bookings.

    I'll also relate an anecdote about US work visas and club sponsorship. I knew a dancer who was a UK citizen, a dancer at an international chain club in London, and also a flight attendant on the US to UK route. She tried to obtain a US work visa in order to work at US branches of the same international chain club while on the US end of layovers. Even though the US club managers and corporate management were willing to sponsor such a work visa, the US state dep't would not grant it. The reason given was that this girl planned to work as an 'ordinary' house dancer ... and as such granting a US work visa would have deprived a US citizen dancer of the opportunity to work in the US branches of that international chain club.

    The point of course is that in order to obtain a work visa as a feature, you need to have actual feature credentials as well as pre-arranged US club bookings ( = US 'employer' sponsorship ).

    I also wouldn't be comfortable getting a fake id. On the off chance that someone came into the club, I could easily claim to have forgotten id than risk being caught working on a fake!!
    In terms of real world 'moral hazard', if a foreign dancer is swept up in a club bust it really isn't going to matter much by what means she was able to illegally work at a US club prior to the bust. ID or no ID, the cops are going to check the identity of everybody they bust. In general, if a busted dancer is 'Other Than Mexican' ( DHS classification ), odds are that after the charges against her are dealt with she'll be almost immediately deported - and banned from re-entering the US for any reason for the next 10 years.

    This can be a real problem for busted foreign dancers who also happen to be attending a US college under a legal student visa. If US authorities want to be pricks about it, technically they can hold you in detention, take you in front of a judge, and put you on a bus / plane headed back to your home country without ever allowing you to return to your college dorm / apartment to collect your stuff !


    In fairness, I would also point out that US dancers are also going to be faced with similar legal work restrictions preventing them from dancing in many foreign countries ... including Canada / Aus / UK commonwealth countries, as well as EU countries. There was a time when US girls dancing in Canada was super easy ... but as the result of a Canadian gov't scandal involving mexican dancer work visas a few years back this is no longer the case.
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    ^ Ok: so just to clarify: if you are sponsored to work for a US company, you can dance (as a house girl) on that visa? Like if you got an internship and the company you are interning for sponsors you to get your visa...you would be able to dance while you are there? Sorry if I sound dumb its just pretty confusing stuff haha

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    Keep in mind that any workplace that lets you work "off the record" is willing to let a lot of other things go off the record too; usually places that you don't want to work.

    Also (and I'm sure Melonie has pointed this out before), you have to think about the legal risks involved if you get caught up in a club bust (which is becoming more and more likely now-a-days); not only would you be charged with possibly a false prostitution charge, you'd also be an illegal.....yeah, that wouldn't be a fun experience.

    Odette - I'm not Melonie, but I believe I can answer your question. If you get sponsored to work for a company in the US with and H1B visa, then the visa you get will only authorize you to work THAT job - you can't just apply for another part-time job (stripping); in fact, the SSC you'd be issued says "not eligible for employment without government permission' or something like that.. You would have to get another approval for stripping, and I don't believe that exotic dancing fits the parameters of an HB1 visa.

    I doubt that a feature dancer would be awarded the rights to work legally in the states unless they were top-notch, vegas calibur act....with titles to their names (magazine shoots, porn credits, famous burlesque name, etc).
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    if you are sponsored to work for a US company, you can dance (as a house girl) on that visa?
    Only true if that US company is an 'agency' that is structured to provide dancers to US clubs. In legal terms, these girls never actually work for US clubs ... instead the clubs pay the 'agency' and the 'agency' in turn pays the 'imported' girls that work for that 'agency' under a work visa sponsored by that 'agency'. As you can see, this setup is basically a scam to circumvent the reality that the US State Dep't will not approve work visas for 'foreign' dancers to directly work in US clubs where they would be directly competing with US dancers. This setup also introduces a significant element of 'risk' for the dancers, since they never actually get to keep money they have earned in US clubs without the 'permission' of the agency. That element of 'risk' was greatly abused by the 'agency' operators that were busted.


    I doubt that a feature dancer would be awarded the rights to work legally in the states unless they were top-notch, vegas calibur act....with titles to their names (magazine shoots, porn credits, famous burlesque name, etc).
    This is precisely what I meant by 'credentials matter'. And even then, a 'foreign' feature is only going to be approved to work at certain pre-arranged US locations on certain pre-arranged dates. Her work visa is not an open-ended ticket to remain in the USA indefinitely, nor to seek work at other US clubs / magazines / video producers.

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    Thanks for the help girls...I'll be in NY over the summer, as usual, and I think I'll just bring my stuff and give it a shot, and hope that they don't ask for a visa.

    I don't like taking the risk of being caught in a bust, but I'm willing to risk it for a few weeks...I don't think I would be able to risk it for months though (even though I am aware that there is no reason that I couldn't be caught up in a bust on the first night - its just a weird mental thing...my little human brain screwing with me!!).

    It does make me so sad though - I WISH that I could work there legally and pay my taxes there and live like a normal person there, even for six months on a working-holiday-vise type situation...I understand the desire to keep unemployment down by retaining jobs for Americans, but I find it difficult to understand why a temporary visa would be a problem...sigh!
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    Mannnnn that's some crazy rules. So much for the dream of interning in New York for a summer ...cause I can totally afford to work for free without a part time job and live there for 3 months...pssssshhhhhh. Why is the US so paranoid about foreigners taking their jobs? I guess I just don't understand having grown up in a part of canada where a great % of the working population is foreign and just assume that that's the norm...I think I'll try London or Paris instead in that case, I read about the "youth mobility" visa or something and it sounds great!

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    ^^^ you'll have zero problems working in London ( or any other UK or Aus or NZ commonwealth city ) with Canadian ( commonwealth ) citizenship. US girls of course aren't so lucky. Paris will be a bit tougher, unless you can establish a UK residency first to make use of EU worker mobility laws. Also, US girls now experience similar problems working in Canada. It's not a question of foreign workers in Canada but WHICH foreign workers !

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    Thanks for the help girls...I'll be in NY over the summer, as usual, and I think I'll just bring my stuff and give it a shot, and hope that they don't ask for a visa.

    I don't like taking the risk of being caught in a bust, but I'm willing to risk it for a few weeks...I don't think I would be able to risk it for months though (even though I am aware that there is no reason that I couldn't be caught up in a bust on the first night - its just a weird mental thing...my little human brain screwing with me!).
    Screwing with you? Screw you.... seriously SCREW YOU.

    I work in NY every night and the last thing I need is some selfish, egoistical, self-righteous law-breaker taking a damn dime away from me and the other hardworking strippers that work in NYC Legally.

    Are you so wrapped up in your own magical little world that you neglect to realize there are NYC based dancers who read your criminal musings?

    Chick..... you are flagrantly stating that you wholeheartedly intend to break federal law!

    I hope the FBI/CIA/IRS/INS (and any other agencies that may be relevant) track you down, stick you on a no-fly, none-shall-pass, do not pass go+do not collect $200 dollars - list and toss away the proverbial key.


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