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    One of the most overlooked aspects of camming is the profitability factor. What I mean by this, is that just "traffic" isn't enough, nor is high percentages...

    Environment counts for a lot...This is where we have this strange split, where people are defending a blatantly rip-off messed up site like Stream, while other defend and fight for MFC...

    Mostly this is because the Stream people are comfortable there, and know how to hustle it and know what the pull is to get your money flowing....

    The MFC gals get it for that site and know how to steadily play THAT environment, and all must admit, it is a VERY different environment.

    So, for you What makes a perfect cam environment, and what are the most important factors?

    Public Chat...on or off? Tips in Public? Tips at all? Nudity in Public? No rules? LOTS of rules? cam viewing for guests? NO guests, ONLY paid folk? chatroom style?

    I mean so much makes up a chatroom on a camsite, and so much makes up the way a customer interacts...

    What do YOU think?

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    In my personal opinion...

    Public Chat...on or off? On, but optional.
    Tips? Yes, both in public & private. Tips should be encouraged to show appreciation but not used for requests.
    Nudity in Public? No.
    Rules? Enforced rules in public chat, very light rules in private.
    cam viewing for guests? No.
    NO guests, ONLY paid folk? Yes.
    chatroom style? Yes.

    So basically... AW. Haha. No really, I think I'd like a camsite where public chat is more interactive & fun like on MFC, but without all the nudity & sex, and with as many privates as one would expect on SM & AdultWork. Is it realistic? Probably not... but I can dream.

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    My ideal would be MFC and all the potential it offers, with the ability to PUT MYSELF into a private only , so for example, if I splitcam something like MFC and AW, and I got a private show on AW, I could set myself into private, and the guys on MFC would be able to login and watch that show at a per-minute cost.
    I would be happy with a 50% split, if they bring me good steady paying traffic.
    "begging" words and phrases to automatically be banned from all chat functions on the site.
    NO chargebacks.
    Daily pay.

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    You obviously have a vested interest in calling sites like streamate a "blatant rip-off" because you are planning your own camsite. I am surprised more ladies don't see through this nonstop anti-streamate propaganda and self-promotion.

    Oh and NO, I don't even use streamate but I would if I were doing a niche that fit that and if I weren't able/willing to do my own marketing to make it on other sites.

    We all have our thing. Some of us are willing to do the extra work required to make it with the sites that pay a higher percentage. Some of us just want to plug in and go, and that means taking a lower percentage but the ability to make some money almost immediately and continue doing so with little effort beyond turning on the cam and waiting for customers.


    Chargebacks: no site owners with half a brain will eat all chargeback costs. That would encourage models/studios to scam the system and potentially bankrupt the site in short order. Remember every chargeback costs the site extra fees, not just the amount charged back - the site eats that extra cost and the model only eats her cut of the original charge.

    Daily pay: this isn't feasible for most sites, at least not until they're well established. Then once they're established, what is their incentive to offer it? It will cost them more without any benefit to them - UNLESS they charge the models for it. Niteflirt isn't charging for it now but they will do so again, once their site functionality is fixed (if it ever is LOL).
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    I don't believe Bambalina ever said STREAM IS TERRIBLE, DON'T GO THERE.

    She's putting into words what a lot of camgirls already feel, and she is actually using OUR feedback to make a site that will cater to OUR needs and will benefit US. She has the advantage of knowing both sides of the business, as opposed to just the business end of it. She knows that a happy camgirl is a camgirl that will keep customers coming back again and again, which in the end, is profitable for BOTH parties.

    Keep doing what you're doing, Bambalina, and don't let anybody tell you different.

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    Public Chat...on or off?

    Personally for me, off, but it is nice to have an option for free as long as it is fairly vanilla and/or rules for free are firm and are adhered to (see "Nudity & Rules").

    Tips in Public?
    Yes, for simple requests... not for nudity.

    Tips at all?
    Yes, I think they should be encouraged as they up the potential from per min earnings.

    Nudity in Public?
    No

    No rules? LOTS of rules?
    No nudity in public chat. Rules for private only for things that can get illegal in nature. Either way, if there are RULES, they should be firmly enforced, so that the field is fair for everyone, and the overall earnings of the site are not inhibited by some breaking rules/giving away things that others will not. No one should feel under pressure to break the rules in order to remain competitive.

    Cam viewing for guests?
    Absolutely not.

    NO guests, ONLY paid folk?
    Yes

    Chatroom style?
    Yes


    And

    I also think promotion of personal sites should be allowed. Obviously, I can see why most places don't allow this, but I'm speaking from a camgirl's point of view, and it really helps spenders to keep spending... it snowballs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    You obviously have a vested interest in calling sites like streamate a "blatant rip-off" because you are planning your own camsite. I am surprised more ladies don't see through this nonstop anti-streamate propaganda and self-promotion.
    With 2 major sites (AW & MFC) offering 65-70% to the performer, its time for the sites paying a lower cut to step up their game.
    The more sites that offer a higher payout percentage, the better. Not just for the individual performers, but for the industry as a whole.
    If a site is not paying out enough cold hard money, the girls become desperate and nag the customers. Those customers then leave the site with the desperate girls and move on to spend money in a more chilled enviroment where the girls are making bank.

    Girls not willing to put that extra effort in = whatever. Upto them.
    This business is like a sewer, what you get out of it, depends what you put into it.

    This is a really interesting discussion about business. Lets not edge it into a personal attack towards an individual.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dancing Days View Post
    I don't believe Bambalina ever said STREAM IS TERRIBLE, DON'T GO THERE.
    Really? I see it all the time in nearly every thread of hers, much like in this very thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    a blatantly rip-off messed up site like Stream

    Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about, first of all. Secondly, it is of course easy to defend someone who advertises "I'm going to give you everything you want and will charge you practically nothing for it" but the reality of this actually WORKING is yet to be seen.

    If it were so easy for a camsite to turn a profit while giving the models everything they want, don't you think SOMEONE would've done it by now?? After all, that site would surely have all the models, wouldn't it?

    iFriends almost went bankrupt when they paid everyone 50% so they had to change. MFC apparently does well and pays 50% but their business model is unique and relatively few models will do well there - plus who's to say the MFC model can be sustained over the long term?


    I agree that most camsites could probably afford to pay more than 30% and IMO that is ridiculous. But without actually seeing their numbers, us sitting around saying all sites could afford to pay 50%+ is speculation AT BEST. Complaining that all sites don't pay 70% is pointless.

    MFC is a free cam site with the option of paying - lots of looky-loos who will watch your show while others tip. AW is not just a camsite but a place for hookers and johns to meet also. Clearly those two sites have done something very different from a normal camsite and that is why they can afford to pay more than industry standard.

    Bottom line: none of us can speculate on what a camsite *should* pay because we don't know their numbers, but I can assure you *most* would go in the hole if they paid 70% to everyone.
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    I really don't think that's true. Other websites that paid out more went down the toilet because they had shitty traffic and didn't attract paying customers. Streamate makes more money than we could even dream of, but they don't want to share it because that means they get less money. If they didn't have a lot of models and paid out 70%, then YES, they wouldn't survive. The sheer fact that they have a lot of models from whom they can make money GUARANTEES the fact that they CAN afford to pay out more. More models = more money.

    EVERYONE can benefit from this. Top models would be more likely to stay with Streamate = Streamate getting more money. I really have a problem imagining Streamate employees barely making rent, but that's definitely a reality of girls selling themselves short on that site and not demanding a (slightly) higher percentage.

    But anywayyyyyy, Bambalina...

    Public Chat...on or off? Should be optional, just in case you feel like doing something productive while people make up their mind whether they want to take you private or not.

    Tips in Public? Yes, and also in offline and private sessions. We should be able to keep as close to 100% of the tips as possible.

    Nudity in Public? NO.

    No rules? LOTS of rules? Lots of rules in public, not many in private. Who cares if you want to stick a bottle up your ass? If both parties consent, then who's that hurting?

    cam viewing for guests? NO, they should at least have a basic or (even better) a premium account.

    NO guests, ONLY paid folk? In public, yes.

    chatroom style? Yes

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    So, to answer the original question for myself:

    If I weren't good at doing my own marketing, or at least willing to spend the time to learn, and needed the ability to block certain areas from seeing my profile/cam, I would use a site like streamate where I could just log in and start making some money. HOWEVER I do think a payout of 40-50% would be more fair, depending on some specific circumstances. I'd be willing to take 40% if I knew I wouldn't have to sit in free chat dealing with the looky-loos and beggars. I'd expect a little more if I were expected to do free chat. Some type of compromise.

    Since I am very good at doing my own marketing and spend a lot of my own time doing so, I am only willing to deal with sites where I get MINIMUM 60%, and really, for a site like niteflirt where a lot of things don't work, it isn't even international and making money there is almost entirely up to me, I feel somewhat miffed at even giving up 30% to them. It's my understanding that they do spend a good deal on marketing but that doesn't matter much when calls drop or don't go through correctly and the site's functionality is glitchy at best. Not to mention they have some pretty extreme security issues!


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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    You obviously have a vested interest in calling sites like streamate a "blatant rip-off" because you are planning your own camsite. I am surprised more ladies don't see through this nonstop anti-streamate propaganda and self-promotion.
    You caught me. I attack streamate because I'm opening a site at some point in the future. So transparent...but wait? May I ask you, what is my motivation for being kind and sort of cheerleading my biggest competitors, MFC and AdultWorks?

    Wait...Could it be that I despise cheap scamming male-dominated lowpaying old guard adult entertainment?? Could it be???

    Otherwise explain why I am only against the low paying sites...

    Oh yeah, and as a potential site owner, why would I be trying to make a MUCH higher percentage go to the camgirls and LESS to my site? What advantage is that to me? I mean, I'm so crafty even I don't get that one...

    Damn me! Fooling myself!
    {sarcasm Mode OFF}

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Chargebacks: no site owners with half a brain will eat all chargeback costs. That would encourage models/studios to scam the system and potentially bankrupt the site in short order. Remember every chargeback costs the site extra fees, not just the amount charged back - the site eats that extra cost and the model only eats her cut of the original charge.
    How many of you girls out there have gotten chargebacks from MFC?

    Hands please? Since they say they do not pass on chargebacks unless circumstances are EXTREME, and I know for a fact I have had girls making FAT BANK and none of them has ever seen a chargeback from MFC, So those MFC guys!! Less than half a brain cell.

    If you do things right chargebacks are about 1-2% at most of total invoicing and are definitely able to be folded into the budget. If you get those who habitually ring up chargebacks, they eat them.

    In fact a very simple policy is that chargebacks over 4% and you eat them all including fees. That means guaranteed less than 4% of your budget will ever be chargebacks. Not too hard, eh? and that means a fgirl making $3200 per month can rack up to $127 in chargebacks and not have to eat them..just an example.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Daily pay: this isn't feasible for most sites, at least not until they're well established. Then once they're established, what is their incentive to offer it? It will cost them more without any benefit to them - UNLESS they charge the models for it. Niteflirt isn't charging for it now but they will do so again, once their site functionality is fixed (if it ever is LOL).
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    What if I work with Princess UPFRONT? So we start the site with daily pay services from her and figure it into our payments. I would assume, correct me if I am wrong PJ, that she would take 5% in exchange for daily pay offered as a menu option on the actual site?

    How many of you girls would take that?

    Sigh....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    What if I work with Princess UPFRONT? So we start the site with daily pay services from her and figure it into our payments. I would assume, correct me if I am wrong PJ, that she would take 5% in exchange for daily pay offered as a menu option on the actual site?

    How many of you girls would take that?

    Sigh....

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    *raises hand*!

    Fuck yeah!!

    I'm more than willing to give up that 5% for the convenience and excellent motivation of daily pay. (and it's not just motivating, it's FUN to see that money the next day). I want camming to not only be profitable, but fun for me and daily pay has definitely put in a big amount of fun factor for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Really? I see it all the time in nearly every thread of hers, much like in this very thread:
    I actually do THINK stream is terrible and that women really shouldn't go there. But I also realize that it is a certain style of site that is necessary, and so we're better off to rally and CHANGE the site and MAKE them pay you all more.

    So you got me there. I think we should get rid of stream as soon as possible and if I can make a site that is better and the market dictates, I would be really happy to say I am the one who made the site that was TOO MUCH competition for stream.

    That being said, I don't really think we'll change all that much, except MAYBE to raise the rates at stream.

    Why defend a 35% site at ALL SB? Why waste all this time explaining how 35% is somehow FAR or OK? I mean what is in it for You???

    I mean if my motivation is called into question because I think women should be paid a fair and decent portion of the money they earn, shouldn't yours be called into question when you claim the camsites are justified in offering unfair pay? And lest you say I use loaded words like unfair pay, it is unfair when there is a known model in which a site CAN pay 50%+ and two different sites with different strategies do this.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Don't assume I don't know what I'm talking about, first of all. Secondly, it is of course easy to defend someone who advertises "I'm going to give you everything you want and will charge you practically nothing for it" but the reality of this actually WORKING is yet to be seen.
    No assumptions here. I am directly calling into question your motives, your attack on me, your assertions about profit margins and such for camsites, your math skills, your ability to actually comprehend the scale of a large site like Stream, and even your insight.

    However I will not accuse you of something without proof because I am losing an argument.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    If it were so easy for a camsite to turn a profit while giving the models everything they want, don't you think SOMEONE would've done it by now?? After all, that site would surely have all the models, wouldn't it?
    No, I do not. And your question is meaningless, since "If it were so easy to fly in a machine, wouldn't someone have done it by now?" is a question that was relevant only so long as there was no airplane...

    In other words, what motivation exists for a male dominated industry to treat the women well at the expense of the men who run it?

    And why would it change without being forced to? Like EVERY OTHER INDUSTRY that has EVER been unionized or organized, or improved.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    iFriends almost went bankrupt when they paid everyone 50% so they had to change. MFC apparently does well and pays 50% but their business model is unique and relatively few models will do well there - plus who's to say the MFC model can be sustained over the long term?
    Well, MFC is around for a while and seems to be doing nothing but improving traffic and model numbers, so I think they are doing fine.

    Relatively few models do well there? Are you actually claiming this??? I mean seriously?

    And the last question...lemme try "and who's to say that streamate can survive against MFC, since all graphs show MFC taking MUCH of Stream's paying traffic?" and my question has SOMETHING to back it up, yours has NOTHING.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    But without actually seeing their numbers, us sitting around saying all sites could afford to pay 50%+ is speculation AT BEST.
    Are you saying that all the data needed to figure it out is NOT available?

    That we cannot figure out the average daily income of stream? That we cannot figure out a likely promotion budget? That we cannot know advertised costs for hosting and such?

    I gave specific numbers, you never argued them as even possibly wrong...because you CAN'T...because if you read what I wrote, you have to at least acknowledge my numbers are realistic, and if you're even a smidge HONEST you'll admit I erred purposely on the LOW side. Therefore, I challenge you to show me me where you believe my numbers were way off.

    I notice you waste tons of time defending streamate, where you "don't even cam" yet I also notice you avoid any post with substantive data gleaned from experience running and promoting websites.

    [quote=SupaByoch;2042922]MFC is a free cam site with the option of paying - lots of looky-loos who will watch your show while others tip.
    [quote]
    In other words, the model used by every profitable strip club in the universe.

    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    AW is not just a camsite but a place for hookers and johns to meet also. Clearly those two sites have done something very different from a normal camsite and that is why they can afford to pay more than industry standard.
    that is the most ridiculous aspect of your post. So are you saying you believe that AWs CAM section, which stands seperate, LOSES money? Breaks Even? I think we both know it makes quite a bit of money, and the model being able to pay 65% does not change no matter how you try to alter fact. Because they saw it necessary to drop the DirectCam rate to 65%, shows that that is a profit point for them.


    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Bottom line: none of us can speculate on what a camsite *should* pay because we don't know their numbers, but I can assure you *most* would go in the hole if they paid 70% to everyone.
    Bottom line, all of us have a right to speculate on what a camsite should pay, and whpo the hell are you to tell us otherwise? And SOME of us have an ability to actually extrapolate numbers and show data that proves their point.

    Most probably WOULD go in the hole if they payed 70%, but that doesn;t mean they couldn't be re-organized to successfully pay 70%..

    Plus, and more importantly this is a thread where speculation and ideas are asked for...nothing more and nothing less...

    Sour Grapes much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troublegum View Post
    My ideal would be MFC and all the potential it offers, with the ability to PUT MYSELF into a private only , so for example, if I splitcam something like MFC and AW, and I got a private show on AW, I could set myself into private, and the guys on MFC would be able to login and watch that show at a per-minute cost.
    I would be happy with a 50% split, if they bring me good steady paying traffic.
    "begging" words and phrases to automatically be banned from all chat functions on the site.
    NO chargebacks.
    Daily pay.

    MFC used to have this optin - it was called 'away private' and allowed the girl to set her room to away private when she was in a private on another site and just allow guys to pay the spy rate to view it.
    They took it down though

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    Quote Originally Posted by BritishBecky View Post
    MFC used to have this optin - it was called 'away private' and allowed the girl to set her room to away private when she was in a private on another site and just allow guys to pay the spy rate to view it.
    They took it down though
    They took it down? Damn, they dropped the ball there. I would BANK with that feature!

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    You obviously have a vested interest in calling sites like streamate a "blatant rip-off" because you are planning your own camsite. I am surprised more ladies don't see through this nonstop anti-streamate propaganda and self-promotion.
    A few more comments, since this really does impugn my character to the point of almost being libelous.

    It is incredible to me that you use the word "propaganda" to describe a person calling a site that pays 35% a "blatant rip-off".

    We'll leave my self promotion aside, since I have yet to ever sell anything on here. Since I advertise nothing but the fact that I will be opening a site at some time in the future, and that only because, unlike the male dominated established adult entertainment world, I CARE what the women think. So I have asked about their thoughts on what the perfect camsite would be. But since you bring it up, I feel that, knowing this site, if I open a cam site, and even one giorl finds out about it, I will be asked enough questions to be able to completely explain why it is greater than sliced bread and orgasm, and I have NO need to pre-sell anything here, since I will be asked for info when it exists, and honestly, I'm not sure if I will answer directly, because I feel that selling on this forum is not my style. I'm sure if my site is even remotely worthy or popular, it will get tons of threads here, which will both build it up as great and tear it apart as not what people expected. But one thing they WILL be saying. It pays MUCH MUCH MUCH better than STREAMATE and pays more than 50%, and has qualities of a collective. So, as long as I do not fold and renege on my philosophy and beliefs, it really doesn't matter whether I am a potential camsite owner or a dairy farmer, if I truly believe that 35% is an extremely unfair pay-rate to the point of being a bogus slap in the face ripoff and insult to every poor woman performing shows for the villainy that poses as camsite owners.

    If you choose to believe that this is a ruse and that I am only saying it to further my camsite, while being 90% positive about the other "thinking outside the box" camsites, then so be it.

    I stand by my opinion that stream profits to the tune of $1,000,000+ per month (and very possibly it's $1,000,000+ per WEEK), split between less than a dozen people. This is shameful and ridiculous, and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of MANY on here, not just me.

    They post your privates to a tube site they profit from, disregarding your privacy their customer's purchased material, and your right to your own content (which considering you pay 65% to them, the least they could do is let you keep the rights to your content).

    They spam to the point where they are reported to the attorney general, using companies owned by the same owners as stream, which you can bet were payed by Streamate Limited.

    On top of which, stream is only the most blatant and biggest offender, and there are several other old guard sites who disregard and disrespect and undervalue the women who work for them.

    So whether you feel that attacking me is a worthwhile pursuit, I lay at your feet that you have yet to prove anything I allege as untrue or "propaganda".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    So, for you What makes a perfect cam environment, and what are the most important factors?

    Public Chat...on or off? Tips in Public? Tips at all? Nudity in Public? No rules? LOTS of rules? cam viewing for guests? NO guests, ONLY paid folk? chatroom style?

    I mean so much makes up a chatroom on a camsite, and so much makes up the way a customer interacts...

    What do YOU think?

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    I personally like a chat room atmosphere where they can just click and come in and be paying automatically rather than using skype or yahoo because I've encountered so many timewasters and guys who are technically challenged it has sometimes taken up way too much of my time just to set up a short cam show, like an hour wasted for a 20 minute show is just too much.


    Public Chat - would like to have the choice to have it on or off.

    One of the things I really like about Streamate is that most of the guys have a valid credit card and I can be sure they can choose to buy a show if they want. Also the ability to ban at will is important. (and unban if they do apologize for whatever got them banned).


    Rules - I would prefer no nudity in free chat, at the very least no hardcore penetration or genital closeups.


    Away private like some sites have would be lovely for those of us who like to multicam.

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    I completely agree with Bambalina. They make a million dollars a week (or month...but I believe it's more like week) BUT WHO IS DOING MOST OF THE WORK? I'll give you a hint... Certainly not the admins of a self-run site.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Otherwise explain why I am only against the low paying sites...


    How many of you girls out there have gotten chargebacks from MFC?

    No, I've never gotten a cb from MFC. I always feel confident that once those tokens go into my token stats, that money is MINE.

    was a "no chargeback" site, which is cool, but it was a freakin Streamate STUDIO paying only 20%, and they didn't let you block areas. At 20%, it's probably safe to say that's the cam site with the lowest paying percentage, and I guess ImLive would come second to that with their 30% pay. ImLive was really the only site where I felt "worried" about chargebacks.

    When I heard about AW and MFC having nice traffic and offering over 50% AND daily pay, I thought "Niiiiice!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    *raises hand*!

    I'm more than willing to give up that 5% for the convenience and excellent motivation of daily pay. (and it's not just motivating, it's FUN to see that money the next day). I want camming to not only be profitable, but fun for me and daily pay has definitely put in a big amount of fun factor for me.


    This 100%.

    I just got my PayPal debit card in the mail the other day, which is awesome, because prior to that, I had to always have my PayPal funds transferred to my bank account (which took 2 - 3 days). Now when I see that "You've got funds!" e-mail, I know that my money is right there on my card. Daily pay sure does beat having to wait for the 1st and 16th of the month.

    And yes, it makes camming that much more enjoyable, knowing that I'll have my money the next day.
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    I like the option to turn free chat on or off and to control the length of time someone can chat for free. When I don't have much time to spend online, I like to turn off free chat. If I have a little time to kill, I like to chat to keep up the personal connection with the regulars. And I like the time limits so that if there's someone who just can't get enough of the free stuff, he gets kicked out automatically.

    I also like using the on-site cam. I used to do all my camming via Skype with prepayment and it was brutal feeling the need to keep an eye on the time. When it's automatic, I can put that same energy to holding their attention for as long as possible and it works - my DirectCam sessions can go on for hours, whereas no client would pre-book a multi-hour session.

    I don't care much about nudity in free chat. I think my clients are paying to see my nudity, not just any nudity. I could be wrong, but that's my impression. And it's not like we're competing for the same guys. Some guys just want to get off quickly and see a pair of tits or a pussy flash, some guys want to talk and fantasize about a real encounter, some guys have a particular kink or a particular taste in women, etc etc.

    A dealbreaker for me: the site absolute cannot record my sessions without my permission and sell them or use them for promotion (which is why I will never go near SM). I can't stop guys from recording the sessions - that just comes with the territory. But if a site records my sessions, that amounts to straight-up theft to me because they're getting paid and I'm not.

    So it's important to me that I can control my content and make sure I'm paid for it, whether it's photos, videos, or live sessions. If a site will give me that, I'll work my ass off to be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    What if I work with Princess UPFRONT? So we start the site with daily pay services from her and figure it into our payments. I would assume, correct me if I am wrong PJ, that she would take 5% in exchange for daily pay offered as a menu option on the actual site?

    How many of you girls would take that?

    Sigh....

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    I am open to the idea and talks yes. Anything I can do to help the community I will certainly have a go at.

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    I like the idea of no public chat at all, nada, for if im not in the mood at all to smile, but aw dont work for me, an i cant work out wh, so i gave up.

    so in public chat i stick to the rules of no insertion in my pussy (i would say arse too but i dont even do it in prvt) i do go nude, but only for tips, an my shows are tame, oil, lotion, dance etc.
    I love to make up games to play, so what im trying to say is, public chat has to be interesting or i get dead bored chattin to myself! lol

    no chargebacks, i love mfc for this, imlive ripped me off so much!

    i love the fact that mfc is standard price on prvts across the whole site, means no "what should i charge" and you get $3 per min, which is great in my eyes.

    I like that ur personality can really shine on mfc through your games, raffles contests, and that ur allowed to sell stuff, and direct ppl to ur blog, twitter ect.

    however, i hate the guests, basics im ok with, ive had a few turn premium, but guests do my head in, 5 mins per hour in a cam room is all they should be allowed for a preview. thats my opinion.

    i dont like the fact that ppl get stills of my prvts, ok so its only 3 stills per prvt an these ppl hav to have spent 1k tokens on me, but still, i dont like it.
    archived cam shows on mfc too, i mean come on, a guy can watch it 50 times before he decides he wants another show, or not at all lol. at least make it that they can only view it 5 times after the prvt.

    LOVE the ban an ignore button, that is sooooo a need in cam rooms with free chat, so i love this! love love love lol.

    all i can think of right now

    jess xxxxx

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    This 100%.

    I just got my PayPal debit card in the mail the other day, which is awesome,
    Paypal Debit Card ROCKS!...You have funds...5 seconds later swipe-KA-CHING! YAY!

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