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    I find it interesting on several levels that many on this site so wildly endorse AdultWork publicly. At this point it is one of the few sites with a HIGH ratio of Moneyed Customers to Camgirls.

    If a WHOLE BUNCH of women come and read you guys saying how awesome it is, and they all go sign up, what do you think is going to happen?

    I'm asking the question honestly.

    Because most of you seem to be ok with an Adultwork more crowded with camgirls and spreading the customers MUCH thinner.

    So...quite wonderful on one end that so many have gotten to play on AW. But since AW is a great example of a site that just doesn't HAVE the traffic of a big box site, so cannot support a HUGE influx of girls and stay "awesome". When does the cheerleading and sending girls there become camgirls completely shooting themselves in the foot?

    Used to be that when I took one of my girls on there, it was INSANE...literal NON-STOP privates, because MOST times she was the ONLY American girl on. And a lot of brit guys, as you american girls know, LOVE the "accent".

    Now, there are usually at least 3 or 4 on when I go there. Splitting the customers.

    Also, I'm sure British girls have to be like "Oh great, our nice little moneymaking secret is now overwhelmed by American Girls..."

    Don't get me wrong, because there is not judgment here, since I am moving away from promo and into the web, so I am just wondering if altruism and helping other girls to do well supersedes ones own ability to bank hardcore.

    In other words, when is it better to keep the cool secret, secret...I mean you don't tell all your best hustles, right?

    Please. Discuss.

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    I kept AW a secret for a year.

    Why did I finally tell?

    I am a woman.

    I really don't want it to overcrowd . That will be my biggest issue because that is my safe haven.

    On the flip side, I dont like woman being exploited.

    But on the flip side of THAT, it seems to me by reading these forums that some woman like to be exploited.

    So now I don;t even care anymore.

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    I agree with you.

    I joined AW 3 years ago and never could figure out how to work that damn complicated site, so I never ended up actually performing on there. Admittedly, because of this site I'm giving it another try though I'm still confused. If it works out I probably would never tell anyone. I learned a looong time ago in phone sex the worst thing you can do is tell people how you make your money. What sites you work on, where you market, etc. Especially for the public to see for years and years to come it's one of the easiest way to oversaturate your market, unfortunately.

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    I think if you're good at what you do, it wont matter how many girls are on there. All guys want something different so its not really a big issue on how many girls are on there.

    make yourself irresistible and you wont have any problems

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    yeah the site is extremely hard to navigate so I suspect lots of girls won't deal with it. I honestly think most flock to MFC.

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    My thinking is that MFC and AW - both great sites - have totally different working environments. MFC seems ideal for women who really know how to hustle and work a crowd for tips. I notice that the successful women on MFC are great entertainers with tons of variety, creative tipping ideas, hot dance moves, etc. AW has a totally different energy. It's more one-on-one, hustling seems a little more subtle, maybe more about prolonging a private than pushing to get one in the first place (at least, that's how I use it).

    So the way I see it is that some women are going to be better at AW and others at MFC (though some are probably kick-ass at both). But the vibes are so different. Yeah, it would suck if AW were suddenly flooded with new girls, but none of them will stay unless it's a good fit for them and making them some money.

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    My home site is AW and I`m not scared.
    If a guy wants ME, he will choose ME.
    I bring a lot of spenders into AW, and more hot performers that discover AW will bring their spenders over too.
    I never look at another girl as competition.

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    Quote Originally Posted by amberluv View Post
    I think if you're good at what you do, it wont matter how many girls are on there. All guys want something different so its not really a big issue on how many girls are on there.

    make yourself irresistible and you wont have any problems
    Amber, no offense...but this is incredibly naive thinking. Sweet, but naive...If you are an American blond, or a black girl, and you are the ONLY one on for several hours, you will BANK like motherfuckin' goldman sachs.....Now drop 3 more black girls in or three more US blondes in and see what happens...your income will go down...now drop 37 more blondes in...

    Every girl on there is trying to make herself irresistible...good luck.

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    I guess you can say that say that. But competition is not that serious, webcaming isnt some sort of marathon lol

    At the same time, i have no responsibilities so competition doesnt phase me. Sure im saving to move out, but i can wait like another 4 years.

    hustle harder if more girls flood AW, im sure you'll be banking.

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    plus theres such a small black female population on there (and in general for webcamming compared to white webcamming girls) and we ALL look COMPLETELY different (big. small, light skinned, dark skinned, etc), so i guess we're not really feeling the heat of competition...


    actually it's kinda awesome lol.

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    Hasn't AdultWork's traffic been growing a lot in the past couple months? As long as member traffic grows alongside the influx of camgirls, hopefully we'll ALL be able to stay successful there.

    Honestly, I rarely think about my competition when I'm camming. My job is to make sure my profile looks good, upload new pics & videos, hustle the guys who come into free chat and to give the best show possible in private. Worrying about that other Canadian redhead who happens to be logged on at the same time as me isn't going to do me any good.

    ALMOST every day, there is around a two-hour stretch where I get back-to-back-to-back privates which is where I make the bulk of my money. If that starts to dry up I'm gonna start worrying.

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    Okee doke, well I'm absolutely not here to argue about this, and really did just want opinions.

    I guess I've been on enough wonderful sites with like 125 girls total and a good amount of traffic when I first started, and every SINGLE one got much shittier and harder to make money on when they exploded in users, and a popular forum like this advising girls to flock there and make bank, I just see it as shooting yourselves in the foot.

    But then again, we're to help each other out...

    I just wonder about the balance in life and if anyone thinks of that balance in general...I mean...I tell "CuteBlondGrl" to go to AW, and she does and she works the same GENERAL crowd as the model "SxyBlndQn", and immediately CuteBlondGrl gets tons of privates and money and LOVES AW...but SxyBlndQn has an immediate drop in traffic of 12%...

    Did I help or stab SxyBlndQn in the back? I mean if 500 new models sign up, it is inevitable between 1 and 5 of them will have SIMILAR enough attributes to you that it WILL affect your traffic.

    Another way to look at this is that if AW has 10,000 paying users per day (I know...not accurate, whatever, the math works no matter the numbers used) and 200 camgirls sign in per day, this leaves 50 users per girl, generally and on average. Up the number to 1000 camgirls signing in per day and you drop the general potential new traffic to 10 per girl, because the traffic didn't improve that much. The traffic will never scale, unless every girl brings 50 men with her who never log into AW. Bring it to MFC levels, and you get 4.5k camgirls or something logging in and now you get 2 guys in yer room average.

    It is a bad business decision, but a helpful thing for the new girl. It brings a new girl to a place with great money, but it also may hurt other girls already there. I mean maybe your really original, black or BBW or big busted or something, but what about the girls who are more vanilla, working to eke out a living? Do they deserve having us bring in MAJOR competition? I mean do you honestly thing that the regular housewives with their wonderful amateur shows can compete again amber rae if she shows up and plays a "amateur" shtick? I think it will cost that woman hits.

    That is MY opinion, and I'm happy to hear others. I just see "Go to AW, it rocks!" which gets posted here in various forms pretty often, as not thinking things through, and definitely spoonfeeding those who did not do the actual work to FIND AW.

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    I get where you're going, Bambalina. As someone who just started working AW because I heard about it here, I am eternally greatful to girls who shared this info, and I definitely wouldn't want AW to become worse for camgirls.

    And I still don't think it's spoonfeeding...no one can do actual work for you, for one thing. Another, I would constitute this as a word of mouth between people who do the same work, not straight up advertising on big scales and I don't think that can bring in such a HUGE amount of camgirls on AW. I could be wrong, info spreads, but as Smurfette said, it's our job to make ourselves look good, hustle and work hard.
    I don't wanna be thinking how to backstab someone else just becase they're working on a site I am, too.

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    Unless camsites start deleting girls who are crap performers, then thats always going to be the way.
    Bad performers hurt our money worse than amazing ones do.

    Shame we dont (yet) have a place where every girl is of a high standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troublegum View Post
    Unless camsites start deleting girls who are crap performers, then thats always going to be the way.
    Bad performers hurt our money worse than amazing ones do.

    Shame we dont (yet) have a place where every girl is of a high standard.
    True, but you mus admit, that if I go and advertise a site, it will get the effects of this MUCH sooner than if it is just kind "our little secret" and on the downlow.

    This site's posts appear on Google. So that means within 90 days all this pro aw stuff is going to be on the worlds largest search engine and I believe it will affect every girl here.

    I may be wrong about this. But my experience is that you should never underestimate when word of mouth becomes widescale media **->ADVERTISING<-** and these posts all being on google soon will make more and more girls find it...

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    Oh, and if you think I'm saying keep AW secret, I'm not...

    I'm trying to get at something much simpler.

    Hint: Number of Customers is finite right now and will not grow beyond a steady state, number of models is exponentially increasing because we post it here.

    Two things...two numbers...ONE has to change for things on AW to get better for all.

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    I`m totally lost LOL. Having a blonde day today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Hasn't AdultWork's traffic been growing a lot in the past couple months?
    Client numbers rocketed in mid december and have stayed high since.

    The site is now doing better than ever and has a great client to performer ratio.

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    And isn't this post going to appear on google, too? So aren't you doing the exact thing that you are preaching about? Essencially advertising? Just sayin'

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    Advertising is exactly what AW needs. They should start with a better affiliate program!

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    I probably never would have heard about AW if it weren't for the wonderful ladies of this forum. Princess Jenny's daily pay is what got me to sign up, and I am incredibly grateful to have that opportunity. So I appreciate all of you who recommended AW and didn't just keep it to yourself, or I'd still be getting ripped off by Stream. (I do log into Stream once in a while when other sites are slow but I've mostly phased it out of my camming routine.)
    I don't think a lot of girls are willing to put in the time to figure out AW - it is much less user-friendly than the other sites. I am pretty tech savvy and it was a learning experience for me.
    Bambalina, I see you recommend MFC a lot - do you think the same problem applies on there as well? Why/Why not? I know it is more well-known, but I see girls who are new to camming and don't know about any of the sites being encouraged to sign up there. Does the different atmosphere of MFC make this less of a problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troublegum View Post
    Unless camsites start deleting girls who are crap performers, then thats always going to be the way.
    Bad performers hurt our money worse than amazing ones do.

    Shame we dont (yet) have a place where every girl is of a high standard.
    And who decide who is crap and who is high standard?
    What if it is you to be kicked or not registered in the site?
    At Chatgf.com we register only a few and bounce most others and got lots of complaints due to this, being called moron or nazi. Same drama I seen about onhercam in this forum time ago, because not registered a model as had not the required looks.
    So the girls are upset because myfreecam or streamate have 950 online at any moment and even adultwork growing to this, but if a site not register everyone this is seen with big suspect or called names

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    Personally if I believe if its YOUR site, YOU decide who works there. But then many would disagree.
    I find all shapes and sizes attractive, looks wise, but so many performers have a shitty attitude and they scare off potential spenders.
    Feel free to debate.

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    Default Re: Adultwork and Keeping Wonderfulness.

    The main reason why more women joining popular sites isn't that bad is the concept of, uh---"stick-to-it-iveness"......(yes, probably a made-up word, but you get the meaning. A LOT of girls joining doesn't necessarily correlate to them:

    a) sticking with the site, especially if they get frustrated easily because they assumed the money would just flood their account from minute one of being on cam

    b) reading extensively as to the different ways they can generate income (active AND passive)

    c) working a regular schedule on the site.

    d) creating the best profile possible

    e)regularly updating their content/picture sets

    etc

    So, you know the expression, you can lead a ________ to ________ but you can't make them ___________

    We can fill the blanks with " You can lead a woman to financial opportunity, but you can't make them rich".

    But for women who really want it, the sky is the limit, and there's no use in "hogging the knowledge" so to speak, because a few of those women may be your biggest motivator or resource one day and help YOU out with new creative strategies or new financial sources/tips/goldmines.....but then you're still gonna have to "mine" for that gold if you want it, and not just 'read' about it. You know?

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    ^I love that ^"hogging the knowledge"^ awesome!

    I'm with you there with the not thinking from a place of scarcity.

    If it stops being magnificent then we will obviously adapt as we always have done, as we always will done.

    Stay fabulous x

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