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    Here is this year's first release. The first movie was released in 2008. Apparently it's becoming a world-renowned documentary for those making an effort to "wake up." Does anyone else follow this? Any thoughts? Do you watch any other films related to Zeitgeist?
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    I saw that when it was first available online. I believe some of it, but not all. I do think many of the predictions are uncanny.

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    Hmmm...very interesting...I've watched the first 2 & have the 3rd to watch later tonight when I have some time set aside.

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    The biggest conspiracy is how anyone actually buys into more than 8% of what's in that "film".

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    Trust me when I tell you the Zeitgeist films are not entirely factual. Also, they are selling this futuristic idea called the Venus Project. Their idea is basically communism merged with futuristic kitsch, packaged as an original solution to all the world's problems. The people behind the Venus Project have scammed people out of their money in the past. Now they are accepting donations and peddling their shit online in the disguise of trying to save the world. If you watch the movies, don't take everything for fact.

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    I just recently saw the 3rd. My favorite part was the first 1/2 where they went into the reasons for violence and how it impacts society. I think that part was spot on and really reflected a lot of the ideas I have about society as well. I feel like violence and abuse spreads like a disease, because the cycle continues and spreads as if it's viral, but it's so much more complex to identify and treat.

    I might have some different ideas on how to address it though. Nonetheless, I love the films because they spark thought and creativity.
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    While part 1 clearly implied some kind of grand conspiracy, this one explicitly rules it out and puts the blame of our problems "fundamentally at the socio-economic system itself", which is obviously a correct conclusion.

    Its explicit anti-political stance, while understandable, isn't helping.

    I think this zeitgeist movement is OK for young people just starting to realize capitalism is not good for humanity. The third film is OK for bringing new people (somewhat more rationally than the first two) into a vague anti capitalist mainframe.

    That said, there is a clear evolution throughout the movies and this was by far the best movie yet. It surely helps as an eyeopener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarity View Post
    I think this zeitgeist movement is OK for young people just starting to realize capitalism is not good for humanity.
    Yeah, 'cause we saw how wonderfully communism worked out for Eastern Europe.

    Capitalism has many undeniable flaws, but it's a thousand times better than most of the alternatives offered by it's harshest critics.
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    Yeah, 'cause we saw how wonderfully communism worked out for Eastern Europe.

    Capitalism has many undeniable flaws, but it's a thousand times better than most of the alternatives offered by it's harshest critics.


    LOL who said anything about communism? This film, along with many other things going on politically, demonstrates Americas growing discontent and distrust of the system presently ran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarity View Post
    LOL who said anything about communism? This film, along with many other things going on politically, demonstrates Americas growing discontent and distrust of the system presently ran.
    When you reject capitalism you only leave open so many realistic possibilities... Since I doubt they are embracing facism, that basically leaves some kind of Socialism i.e. Communism. In lay discussion, those words are usually pretty much interchangeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rarity View Post
    LOL who said anything about communism? This film, along with many other things going on politically, demonstrates Americas growing discontent and distrust of the system presently ran.
    There is a difference between fixing the system's flaws and making declarations that capitalism is bad for humanity.

    This present system with all its inherent problems still allows for people who barely speak the language to move here and within a few years have a better life than they ever dreamed of in their homelands. When those who decry capitalism's threat to humanity come up with a system anywhere as good as this, I'll be glad to join them on the bandwagon.
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    Every type of government system is bad for humanity because it takes people to run them, and people are pieces of shit.

    Back on point please.

    I enjoyed the movies, I like anything that tries to give you information. I find it kind of funny people are having to warn people off from believing everything in the movies though, I guess some people might believe everything they see. In all they are interesting and well worth watching.
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    I love documentaries, but this isn't one. The maker of these movies manipulates the actual truth for his own agenda, which makes it more propaganda.

    And the message contradicts the motive, which is to sell you something.

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    Good old Marxism.


    I think some of these ideas for the Venus Project could be implemented into existing society already, and in some ways already are (cooperatives, the Amish, Mennonites, etc....).

    I can see where they're coming from on the state of humanity though.
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    It's meant to create thought & that's it...not a fix or the bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable View Post
    It's meant to create thought & that's it...not a fix or the bible.
    This is exactly what came to mind as I was watching the movie. I think that this last film, Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, had a different approach than the first two, especially the the segment where religion was debated.
    This film actually included facts pertaining to a society's infrastructure on a scientific level.

    Conspiracy or not, this film was produced to reach out to the masses who view our society and its inner workings from beneath the surface. This film simply tries to offer its audience a new perspective, and to try and validate various subjects with arguments and info to back it up, even though whats included may or may not be actual facts. The public obviously isn't always informed of "the truth" anyway. It's up to the viewer to do their homework.

    At the end of the day, it's really up to the viewer to decide whether they believe these stand points or to continue believing what the mass media feeds us. After all the media is a part of "the system."
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    I'm curious what you all claim is untrue in the films, and why you are convinced it is untrue. And I want factual evidence to back up your claims, not just "god really exists because the bible says he does" - that is your BELIEF, not a fact.


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    in the interest of equal time .... you might want to check out a slightly different documentary !



    with some important vignettes ...







    and my personal favorite piece of advice from the film ...

    “If you are in a camp and a bear attacks, you don’t have to be faster than the bear, you only have to be faster than the slowest camper.” Micheal Ruppert “Collapse”

    I'll also echo a posted comment re 'Collapse' and 'Zeitgeist' ...

    "I fully support the Zeitgeist movement, and i truly hope that we can make a peaceful transfer to a Venus project like society, but its just not realistic. Those in power are willing to kill and destroy whole populations of people to further enforce their power. So the transfer will not be a peaceful one....... thats the scary part."



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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    I'm curious what you all claim is untrue in the films, and why you are convinced it is untrue. And I want factual evidence to back up your claims, not just "god really exists because the bible says he does" - that is your BELIEF, not a fact.
    Just two things off the top of my head because I don't have time to source things, but there are lots of sourced refutations of the Zeitgeist movies online:

    The second movie, as well as the Venus Project, assert that the earth has unlimited resources, enough to go around for everyone for an indefinite period of time. Of course this is absurd. (Overfished waters, dried up oil wells...) Resources can be depleted if exploited faster than they can be replenished.

    The second movie states that 911 was an inside job. This may or may not be true but there simply isn't enough hard evidence to prove this statemnt.

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    The entire "North American Union" section of the film...

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    Quote Originally Posted by girlfromipanema View Post
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    The second movie states that 911 was an inside job. This may or may not be true but there simply isn't enough hard evidence to prove this statemnt.
    Not enough hard evidence? What about the molten metal and CLEARLY angle-cut support beams at the bottoms of the towers, and the real video footage of multiple people who were THERE in the lower floors saying they heard/felt/were injured by blasts coming from BELOW? Those angle-cut support beams were cut in exactly the way it would be done in a controlled demolition. Why does the "official" 911 report not even mention that? There is video footage of this.

    What about the overwhelming "oddities" in the supposed Pentagon crash site? Why was all the evidence literally buried before any real investigation could be done? Cover up.

    Why were all of the NORAD defense pilots coincidentally out on "training" missions keeping them away from the real targets they should've been taking down that morning? Why is 911 the only time they've reportedly missed their targets?

    Not an inside job, my ass.

    Also, who is the biggest claimant that 911 wasn't an inside job? The government. The government who produces its own evidence which is full of holes and easily refuted via real science and plain footage of the crash sites. But we're supposed to swallow the government's "proof" of their claims at face value.



    I'll leave religion out of it, but look at some of the other stuff. For example, the health insurance and federal reserve banking systems which are designed to line the pockets of a few while enslaving the rest of the population further and further, to the point we literally have no choice but to keep on working for crap and lining the pockets of those greedy few. Or the fact that the original US income tax law was never actually ratified by enough states to legally pass.

    Our society is being fucked six ways from Sunday, and most people write this stuff off as "bullshit", then go right back to feeding the machine like good little slaves. I suppose telling oneself it's bullshit helps one sleep better at night. I guess.
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    I was a member of the Zeitgeist Movement when it first started. I went to New York to meet other members and hear the filmmaker speak and all. I was dismayed to hear that the movement's aim was only to make more movies and popularize itself as opposed to real civil action, so I left.

    I can see how the 911 argument can easily get heated, so I will stay out of it. I'm not a structural engineer, so I cannot comment about the steel beams and melting temperatures and the like. The movie Loose Change: 911 goes into a lot of detail on the subject, but there is also an argument against the claims they make too. (The filmmaker of Zeitgeist actually no longer supports his own claims that 911 was an inside job. He either didn't want to deal with the backlash, was intimidated, or no longer believes it himself.)

    The Federal Reserve system argument is valid, and has been detailed more thoroughly in other films, such as The Secet of Oz.

    I don't deny that modern western society is fucked and, in a way, we are stuck feeding the machine in one way or another. I do what I can i.e. support local, organic, don't shop at Wal Mart, buy second hand clothes, vote with my dollar, etc. I don't consider myself to be asleep, but remain skeptical of all information presented to me by both independent and mainstream media.

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    Not enough hard evidence? What about the molten metal and CLEARLY angle-cut support beams at the bottoms of the towers, and the real video footage of multiple people who were THERE in the lower floors saying they heard/felt/were injured by blasts coming from BELOW? Those angle-cut support beams were cut in exactly the way it would be done in a controlled demolition. Why does the "official" 911 report not even mention that? There is video footage of this.

    What about the overwhelming "oddities" in the supposed Pentagon crash site? Why was all the evidence literally buried before any real investigation could be done? Cover up.

    Why were all of the NORAD defense pilots coincidentally out on "training" missions keeping them away from the real targets they should've been taking down that morning? Why is 911 the only time they've reportedly missed their targets?

    Not an inside job, my ass.
    Every time someone has tried to explain why "scientifically" the buildings couldn't have done what they did, another scientist steps in and explains exactly how it could have happened just like it did.

    I've heard dozen of explanations for the i-beam cuts and I mean really, crazier shit than that has happened. Hell I've seen crazier shit and that didn't involven explosions and falling buildings.

    But putting that aside for a second, who's to say there wasn't more to the terrorists plan than just the planes? Nobody but conspiracy theorists.

    How do you know what kind of investigation was done? You go spend a few days in a government archive and not watching Jesse Ventura and some youtube documentaries, and then we'll talk.

    The same people claiming the NORAD pilots ignored it are the same ones who then claim the 4th airplane was shot down???

    But at the end of the day... SouthPark explained it best, our government can't find one guy hiding in the caves of Afghanistan. They can't reach a consensus on any single topic. They can't run an a government program without spending twice as much as they need too AND twice as long. Yet people still want to beleive that they pulled all this off??

    I noticed you ignored my comment about the "North American Union" which has subsequently been removed from the film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SupaByoch View Post
    Not enough hard evidence? What about the molten metal and CLEARLY angle-cut support beams at the bottoms of the towers, and the real video footage of multiple people who were THERE in the lower floors saying they heard/felt/were injured by blasts coming from BELOW? Those angle-cut support beams were cut in exactly the way it would be done in a controlled demolition. Why does the "official" 911 report not even mention that? There is video footage of this.

    What about the overwhelming "oddities" in the supposed Pentagon crash site? Why was all the evidence literally buried before any real investigation could be done? Cover up.

    Why were all of the NORAD defense pilots coincidentally out on "training" missions keeping them away from the real targets they should've been taking down that morning? Why is 911 the only time they've reportedly missed their targets?

    Not an inside job, my ass.

    Also, who is the biggest claimant that 911 wasn't an inside job? The government. The government who produces its own evidence which is full of holes and easily refuted via real science and plain footage of the crash sites. But we're supposed to swallow the government's "proof" of their claims at face value.



    I'll leave religion out of it, but look at some of the other stuff. For example, the health insurance and federal reserve banking systems which are designed to line the pockets of a few while enslaving the rest of the population further and further, to the point we literally have no choice but to keep on working for crap and lining the pockets of those greedy few. Or the fact that the original US income tax law was never actually ratified by enough states to legally pass.

    Our society is being fucked six ways from Sunday, and most people write this stuff off as "bullshit", then go right back to feeding the machine like good little slaves. I suppose telling oneself it's bullshit helps one sleep better at night. I guess.
    I've come to the idea that I'm still not sure 9/11 was an inside jobs but way too many coincidences if it's not.

    1) The Patriot Act was created long before 9/11. Yep, there had been various versions of this long before 9/11. It may not have been called Patriot Act but still around. However the Bush administration (more on this one later) needed something to pin it on.

    2) Iraq was planned before 9/11 but the Bush administration needed someone to blame so they used 9/11. However, here's where this logic fails. Saddam Hussein was blamed for being involved, only he disliked the hijackers as much as the USA because they were religious radicals and Saddam was a secular tyrant. In fact Osama Bin Ladin has tried to kill him. So the Bush administration used this as an excuse to attack Iraq. Why did they want to attack Iraq? Because of oil and also because Bush wanted to avenge Saddam personally. Cheney is an oil man and guess what company made money off Iraq war? Haliburton. Guess who was CEO? Cheney. Bush wanted to avenge Saddam because his father couldn't get him and in the long run was defeated for another term because of Bill Clinton.

    3) Bush family was partners with Osama Bin Ladin's father in the Carlyle Group. I find it very ironic that when other people couldn't board planes the Bin Ladins could. Of course the Bush family is also partners with various Saudi princes, and most of the hijackers were Saudis AND Saudi Arabia has been very supportive of various suicide bombers.

    4) The Bush administration created voter fraud to take office. Back in 2000 I suspected they stole the election from Gore. It all came down to Florida and of course Jeb Bush was governor there and his minion Katherine Harris was secretary of state in charge of counting ballots. I suspect now they stole the election knowing (or at least had an idea) of an upcoming 9/11. In hindsight I don't think Bush was all that smart to pull this off, but Cheney is. Cheney is a vile person and he's showing it in various interviews. There's been several stories of how Bush didn't want him to run with him a second term but Cheney didn't allow that. I think Cheney was the one in charge and they intentionally put someone not very bright (Bush) as leader. A personal opinion but I think Bush seems like a nice guy but Cheney is pure evil and probably scarier to me than Saddam Hussein.

    I've heard people ask that if this all happened why didn't McCain get elected. The reason is that McCain for all his faults has never really been trusted by these same people. It's not a Republican agenda, I've come to believe it's both parties. I hate to admit this, but I've been wondering if Obama was elected partly to continue this agenda. I hope I am wrong but he's been wanting to expand Patriot Act and so far hasn't pulled the troops out of Afghanistan or Iraq.

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    What I find hilarious is that the evil masterminds behind this epic conspiracy were apparently too dumb to plant a few missiles in the Iraqi desert to at least cover their ass! You know, so they wouldn't almost lose the 2004 election over charges that they lied to the nation.
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