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    ugh! I am prolife, but if they are going to cover for any type of rape they should cover for all. This country is going downhill fast. This would make women drugged and raped feel even more shame/stigma. What a crock of shit! I am so mad I cannot even think straight!

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    Boooolshiet. I'm pro-choice. I don't believe in bringing life into this world if you cannot or have no desire to support it. What's the point?

    Once again, this is just some BS crap that doesn't matter meant to distract all the people who are oh-so-concerned about controlling their fellow man while yelling about freedom. Some big stuff is going on in the background, but they'll make sure to skim over that and talk this to death because it'll get both far sides riled up and ready to take to the streets. That's great news!

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    I just don't understand why anybody thinks that it's okay for the government to mandate this sort of shit. It is NONE of the government's business what women do with their bodies, rape or no rape. And choosing to define "rape" like this is so completely unacceptable it makes me sick. These people need to fucking start addressing the real issues instead of trying to distract people with the stupid religious-right moral propaganda.

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    Default Re: Republicans redefining rape abortion

    Wow, is it really 2011? For a minute there, it felt like the 1950s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    I just don't understand why anybody thinks that it's okay for the government to mandate this sort of shit. It is NONE of the government's business what women do with their bodies, rape or no rape. And choosing to define "rape" like this is so completely unacceptable it makes me sick. These people need to fucking start addressing the real issues instead of trying to distract people with the stupid religious-right moral propaganda.
    I do generally agree that abortion is none of the gov's business, and I do think abortion should be legal (though I refuse to call myself pro-choice).

    BUT...I think when you're talking about government funds being used to pay for a procedure that is in most cases, elective. Then there should be some form of discussion. Though at the end of the day, that discussion is somewhat academic.

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    BUT...I think when you're talking about government funds being used to pay for a procedure that is in most cases, elective. Then there should be some form of discussion
    Yup ... nobody is talking about limiting a woman's 'right to abortion' here. What's being discussed is a woman's 'right' to have US taxpayers cover the cost of an abortion.

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    "are you in the mood to rape someone today but are worried about the consequences it will have on the US taxpayer system? no worries.... just add roofies! and rape away, guilt free of the chance that the US govt will have to pay to clean up after you!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jester214 View Post
    I do generally agree that abortion is none of the gov's business, and I do think abortion should be legal (though I refuse to call myself pro-choice).

    BUT...I think when you're talking about government funds being used to pay for a procedure that is in most cases, elective. Then there should be some form of discussion. Though at the end of the day, that discussion is somewhat academic.
    I have to agree, because I see where you are going with this.

    I am prochoice, though I seriously doubt I would abort if I became pregnant, unless it was a rape or my health would be affected. I firmly believe that abortion should be legal, but as for paying, I understand those who are opposed to it not wanting to pay. Am I bothered paying for a woman who was raped? No way. Am I bothered by paying for a woman who is having her 5th abortion courtesy of taxpayers? Yes I draw the line on these women. They should be using birth control or not having sex. I am NOT talking about rape victims by the way.

    The abortion issue is very complex and there's the problem. Many of you know that I am taking classes to become a Confirmed Catholic (already a Catholic, just need confirmation). I'm sure everyone knows the Catholic Church is probably the most pro life church out there (except for some Baptist and various other religions). In theory I understand why they feel this way (though don't agree with all of it) but the other part makes me wonder if it's all strictly pro life. For instance, in class the one priest (who's very involved with pro life issues) was talking about various "pro life politicians". I actually wanted to say that many of these so called pro life politicians in reality are opposed to women in general and vote against women having the same rights as men. These politicians couldn't care less about a fetus.

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    It's not the government's business to define when an abortion is "elective" and when it isn't. It just simply isn't their business. When they start putting women on trial (both figuratively and literally) about whether or not their rape fits some little cookie-cutter definition--when, in fact, the majority of rapes are NOT committed by strangers, but by someone the victim knows and probably has or had has a relationship with--well, that's something I just find totally unacceptable. And it would cost a LOT more taxpayers' money having to investigate every individual instance in which a rape resulted in pregnancy in order to decide if the said rape fits this incredibly offensive definition than it would to just pay for the abortion.

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    So you're saying the government should pay for any and all abortions? Sorry, I can't get on board with that.

    Anytime you talk about spending tax dollars, its the governments business. The discussion has to be present. Otherwise you're just writing a blank check.

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    ^ No, I said that the government should be paying for any and all abortions that were the result of rape or incest, without trying to define what type of rapes are eligible and which ones aren't.

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    Default Re: Republicans redefining rape abortion

    But here's another problem: women lying about being raped to get abortions. There are women who lie about being raped, which makes it rough for all women who are raped.

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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    what is more cost effective? The abortion or 18 years of food stamps, education and healthcare?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenathefabulous View Post
    to play devils advocate, which is worse: a woman lies about being raped and the government funds her abortion, or a woman is actually raped and cannot pay for the abortion and the government wont help her?


    due to my political beliefs, i dont any american friendly standpoint on the govt paying for abortions. although if i was raped, i would certainly use govt money to pay for an abortion if possible. what bothers me though is not related to whether or not the govt is paying for abortion, but the fact that they are trying to somehow say that drugging and raping a girl while she is unconscious is somehow ok and the woman is somehow more responsible for that situation than one where she is conscious. while one of those might cause more trauma than the other (i dont know, i havent experienced either) it doesnt change the fact that a woman was impregnated against her will. being knocked out doesnt mean she consented.
    I'm more concerned about the woman denied an abortion. I don't like when someone lies but denying her the right to an abortion is wrong.

    I don't think it matter how she was raped, the fact that she was is what I am concerned about. Yes, anytime a woman has sex against her will it's rape. Doesn't matter if she was drugged or even if it was her husband and she was drunk.

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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    Because these politicians are the same ones who think as women we should make less. These politicians aren't interested in 'saving' the fetus as imposing their view. Rape is rape. I was raped twice (once orally) and it's the same as if I was raped by a stranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    ^ No, I said that the government should be paying for any and all abortions that were the result of rape or incest, without trying to define what type of rapes are eligible and which ones aren't.
    Oh, sorry it was kind of hard to tell.

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    what is more cost effective? The abortion or 18 years of food stamps, education and healthcare?
    How about sending 18 years worth of child support bills / medical bills etc. ... or the bill for an abortion ... to the rapist 'father' ? We DO live in the age of DNA testing after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    How about sending 18 years worth of child support bills / medical bills etc. ... or the bill for an abortion ... to the rapist 'father' ? We DO live in the age of DNA testing after all.

    I agree to this...But the least I can do for a rape victim is contribute through tax dollars for a abortion if she can't afford it & she shouldn't be drug tested to be defined as rape.

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    No one anywhere should be making some kind of qualifications check list for a woman who became pregnant from a rape. Rape is rape, there aren't fine little details to shove in there and outline. No, means no. And if someone was drugged and then taken advantage of, it is still rape. It is unwanted and the person doing it is not only in the wrong for drugging someone with potentionaly deadly poison, but for the sexual assault that follows. Does this mean that if a woman is drugged, then raped and does not become pregnant but knows it happens, that she was not raped and she cannot make a police report on this. Because it just wouldn't make sense. There is no if, ands, or buts about it, rape is rape. Sexual assault and harassment of any degree, here in the states is taken very seriously. And changing the definition as to what qualifies as a rape is nothing short of one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. They only want to change it just for the financial aspect. But look at all of the people that will suffer from it and possibly get away with rape. No I do not support this one bit. If rape changes in the event of a pregnancy resulting in an abortion, it better change rape across the board or all hell will break loose. They need to remember, we do not live in a perfect world. There are enough sick people out there, men and women, that get away with things like this already. Changing is going to give them another reason to keep doing it because they will just find new ways to get away and keep their undeserved freedom.





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    Default Re: Republicans redefining rape abortion

    You know if this passes that defense attorneys are going to start using that new 'definition' as a way to get their clients out of rape charges claiming that it wasn't 'forced' if they were drunk or high. Will this also pave the way for potential sex offenders to get out of statutory rape charges if a 13 year old girl 'wanted it' and there were no signs of her fighting back?

    Oh, and if your Dad rapes you, you better be in line for that abortion before you turn 18 because it's only important until that big 1-8 birthday!

    Hmm, interesting.
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    Exactly my thoughts ^^ !!!





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    Default Re: Republicans redefining rape abortion

    Quote Originally Posted by Laurisa View Post
    You know if this passes that defense attorneys are going to start using that new 'definition' as a way to get their clients out of rape charges claiming that it wasn't 'forced' if they were drunk or high. Will this also pave the way for potential sex offenders to get out of statutory rape charges if a 13 year old girl 'wanted it' and there were no signs of her fighting back?

    Oh, and if your Dad rapes you, you better be in line for that abortion before you turn 18 because it's only important until that big 1-8 birthday!

    Hmm, interesting.
    From what I've heard, defense lawyers already use the drunk excuse to get their clients out of charges. The system is really messed up because they drop charges of some cases but others are allowed to go through. I know because I was brutally attacked by the friend of my best friend's boyfriend, I pressed charges for assault and the judge (his name was Dennis Dohme, I'll ALWAYS remember that) actually laughed at me for pressing charges, though I had backing (including a cop this guy hit too).

    My point is yes it will affect women pressing rape charges. Sadly though most rape victims never press charges because in court it's "him versus her" and the system is really biased against rape victims. It's why I didn't press charges when I was raped.

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