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    Default Hustling the slow clubs

    I'm starting at a slow club on Friday. My club has 2-4 girls work per shift but I've only seen one customer in the club (I've been in twice).
    So here's some questions:
    a) How do you or other dancers deal with campers?
    b) When is a good time to approach the customer? (so I don't annoy them or piss off other girls)
    c) Is there anything else worth knowing about slow clubs?

    I'd like to stick with this club for a while because it's not a Vu club, it's clean and classy, and has cheap house (there's only 3 clubs in WA like this). Plus, summer will be awesome.

    (I'm not sure if this thread belongs in Hustle Hut or the Newbie board but I didn't see anything in about slow clubs in Hustle Hut that weren't about dives.)
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    By campers, I mean the girls who just sit there with the customer forever. But those guys suck too.

    And at my club it would be best if I'm the one selling the drink. That way I get $10 off house.
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    Campers- ugh, the death of me. LOL. Well, those are the girls that are sitting there for free drinks, usually. As long as he is buying, she isn't going to leave. I know this sounds like crap, but when she goes on stage, go over to him, introduce yourself, and hustle him quickly before she gets back. If he says he is waiting for her, excuse yourself. If he doesn't, try to get a dance out of him. She obviously isn't succeeding, so she should give someone else a shot, but she won't..cause she's getting drunk and that's ALL that matters.
    Approach customers as soon as you see him. I usually wait until they get a drink but if it's a super slow club, a customer only comes in every so often and usually the campers are right there trying to get a drink as he is getting one so BEAT THEM TO IT. Say hello, make small talk. If he offers a drink, take one but make pretty much make it seem like you are not sitting with him to get drinks. Talk to him but always be leading up to dances.
    In slow clubs, girls get VERY catty. They fight over the customers who may be spending such little money, it isn't even worth it to fight over it. Customers know since they are the only one or one of the only few guys in the club that they can take advantage of your time. They know that you will sit with them FOREVER trying to make a sale. They will talk your ear off for FREE cause they know they can. Don't let them. Also, don't let them get you drunk. They will try to do that, too. Let them know your time is money even if they are little to no people in the club. Make a sale. Make them spend money. Chances are, if you don't, another girl will come and camp for hours getting free drinks and not letting anyone else make money so make your money and ASAP!

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    I hate to say it, but being aggressive is very necessary in slow clubs. Girls might hate on you for being the first one to approach the guy, and some guys might be turned off by you coming up to them so quickly, but if you can make the guys feel comfortable and not freaked out, then this is how you will make sales.

    Aggressive girls almost always get the sale. I've worked in two dives that had some very slow hours. Every time I let the guy breathe for a minute after coming in, I'd lose the sale to another girl. A few guys were like, "Woah, let me have a drink first..." but these guys were also usually the ones who never intended to buy dances in the first place. Guys who are interested will encourage your company and let you know what they want (i.e. "Let's sit and talk for a few minutes first while I get comfortable" or even "Let's do some dances after I finish this beer") I've lost a few sales from being aggressive, but I've gained far many more.

    And, obviously, there's a tactful way to do this. Don't run up to them and go "wannadance??!" Slide up to the bar, maybe act like you're getting a napkin / straw / ordering a new drink, etc. Then pretend to notice he's standing there, and make some sort of comment ("Is it still raining out there?" or something equally benign. If you're confident, perhaps something more directed like "Hi, how're you doin' tonight?") If you can start the conversation off in a non-awkward, non-hawkish sort of way, then you'll be aggressive in a way that will lead to a sale and not scare him off!

    The biggest battle you'll be fighting is your own attitude. Trying to stay positive when the club is dead is EXTREMELY difficult, as I'm sure you know. But if you are in any way giving off negative vibes when the customers start arriving, then you will not sell anything that night! You must become a happy, brainwashed droid in the off hours. Keep your mind in hustle mode, and keep a pleasant expression on your face at all times. This will help your brain convince itself that it is happy and not scared about the lack of money.

    How I deal with campers. Hm. On some nights, I hustle the shit out of them, knowing they won't buy, just to get them to leave. Sometimes I use them to keep my attitude positive when no buying customers are in the club (it's usually better to be talking to someone and possibly gaining rapport than sitting there on your phone texting). I oftentimes ignore them completely. Hustler haz no tolerance for camperz.

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    Yes, you HAVE to be aggressive. ^

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    Yay, advice will be taken!

    I'm really happy I posted this since so many threads on SW say not to jump on guys as soon as they walk in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by K Sweet View Post
    Yay, advice will be taken!

    I'm really happy I posted this since so many threads on SW say not to jump on guys as soon as they walk in.
    Totally.

    And honestly, girls will always hate on each other for doing this...and it does scare a few customers off here and there. But in general, in a slow club, it pays to be tactfully aggressive.

    Try to do a quick read on him before you approach him right away. If he's older and/or seems secure with himself, he'll probably be someone who appreciates some aggression. The young ones and the ones who come in with groups are good for priming (i.e. where you do a quick intro with no real hustle so they remember and like you later when you're on stage) but not as good for aggressive approaches.

    ETA: Keep us updated on the new club...it has to be weird dancing in a place with only a few girls!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Totally.

    And honestly, girls will always hate on each other for doing this...and it does scare a few customers off here and there. But in general, in a slow club, it pays to be tactfully aggressive.

    Try to do a quick read on him before you approach him right away. If he's older and/or seems secure with himself, he'll probably be someone who appreciates some aggression. The young ones and the ones who come in with groups are good for priming (i.e. where you do a quick intro with no real hustle so they remember and like you later when you're on stage) but not as good for aggressive approaches.

    ETA: Keep us updated on the new club...it has to be weird dancing in a place with only a few girls!
    ^yea 2-4 girls a night? gotta be wierd.

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    Oh! Also, slow clubs can provide you with a REALLY great hustle.

    As soon as you've established some sort of camaraderie with your customer, and as soon as he's gotten comfortable with his beer, say something like, "Well, there isn't much going on out here. We should mix it up." And he'll say something like, "Well what did you have in mind / What else is there to do?" And then you move in for the kill.

    Many slow clubs won't even make the girls dance if there isn't anyone tipping at the stage, so this closing line is especially useful then. But even if there is a girl dancing, slow clubs have a hella lame atmosphere if no one is in the club, so the line still works!

    One of the best lines of questioning I ever used while stripping in dives:

    (After talking for a couple of songs) "So, what do you usually like to do in strip clubs?"
    Him: "Uh...look at naked girls?"
    You: "Well do you enjoy sitting at the stage, or do you ever like getting dances?"
    Him: "Well, sometimes I like getting dances..."
    You: "Yeah? We should go try one out."

    This allows you to feel him out without committing to being in his face about it. Usually this will flush out the time wasters (He'll say something like "I just like sitting at the stage"). Or, if he needs more time, you'll be able to tell (He'll say something like "I like getting dances, but I like sitting for awhile first") Either way, you quickly get information that helps you plan your mode of attack!

    I know it sounds super lame, but this line of questioning REALLY worked for me. Allowed me to transition from talking about the strip club in general, to feeling out if he's a potential sale, to getting him in the back. Without making him feel like he's being 'sold'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    slow clubs have a hella lame atmosphere if no one is in the club.
    the vibe is so diff than it was years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TiffanyRae View Post
    the vibe is so diff than it was years ago.
    Girl, you ain't kidding. When I started (a mere four years ago), my dive used to be so busy that we'd have to put two girls up on stage before 7:00. And we opened at 6:00! Last time I danced at that club, we wouldn't even start putting a girl on stage until 8:00 or so.

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    I know this sounds like crap, but when she goes on stage, go over to him, introduce yourself, and hustle him quickly before she gets back.
    Are you joking? This is 10 times worse than girls that sit on a customer too long.

    It might be her regular that is not buying dances at the moment.

    It really depends on the situation but it's not a good idea to try and snag a customer when someone is called on stage.




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    A) if it's not a regular and they've been sitting for too long I'll go over and join them. Maybe try to sell a double dance or something.
    B) Is the customer alone? Then it's a good time to approach. This has been the rule at all the clubs I've worked at.
    C) Even with slow clubs... a guy who is wasting your time is wasting your time. Don't sit and talk to someone for two hours because you're the only girl/he's the only guy.
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    There's that whole unwritten rule of stripping that goes on with the ownership of customers, particularly when it's slow.

    A.) If a girl's drink is on the table and she gets up for stage or a bathroom break, don't just invite yourself to sit down. Wait a song and see if she comes back before you approach him and ask if she is done sitting with him or not.

    B.) When a girl has sat with a customer for one or two songs and it's dead, she gets called on stage, and 'that girl' runs over to him and steals her sale.

    Quite often when there are only 3-5 girls working it can be hard to make an immediate sale. Part of it is timing, but when a guy walks into an empty club it's a little difficult to convince him to spend all his cash on you in a three minute song. The other issue is that my club doesn't pull you off stage if there are still other customers in the club. So even if there were only two customers and you were giving one of them lap dances, you would still have to stupidly go make your stage call. This also creates some difficulties with timing.

    I've found that girls who 'don't follow the rules' make their money, but they also aren't well liked by other girls and tend to almost be ruthless in their pursuits. I'm comfortable with the way I make my money, and I don't feel like I step on any toes to do so. I'll admit I've felt pretty angry when I got on stage and a girl made the kill after I invested 5-6 minutes in a guy but couldn't do dances yet because there was one other customer and I had to do my stage show. It's part of the game, and if the guy really liked you he would say no to your competition.

    My best advice is to utilize any precious minutes you have before someone else swoops in carefully. Make them count and give him your best, if it doesn't work then that's the game. If it was packed you wouldn't care, so don't take it personally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripper Hacks View Post
    Are you joking? This is 10 times worse than girls that sit on a customer too long.

    It might be her regular that is not buying dances at the moment.

    It really depends on the situation but it's not a good idea to try and snag a customer when someone is called on stage.
    I would have to disagree with this. Sometimes you just have to piss off a girl who is camping out.
    You can approach him in a very tactful manner. You could go up to him and ask if he is waiting for the girl to get back so they can do dances. Or you could just ask if you could sit with him and if he says yes then you know that he isn't necessarily waiting for the girl. Or you could even ask straight up is he waiting for the girl on stage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Girl, you ain't kidding. When I started (a mere four years ago), my dive used to be so busy that we'd have to put two girls up on stage before 7:00. And we opened at 6:00! Last time I danced at that club, we wouldn't even start putting a girl on stage until 8:00 or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papillonluvr View Post
    I would have to disagree with this. Sometimes you just have to piss off a girl who is camping out.
    You can approach him in a very tactful manner. You could go up to him and ask if he is waiting for the girl to get back so they can do dances. Or you could just ask if you could sit with him and if he says yes then you know that he isn't necessarily waiting for the girl. Or you could even ask straight up is he waiting for the girl on stage.
    or you could go up to him bat your eyelashes and say "hey cutie, why are you sitting over here all by yourself?" if he's waiting on a girl then that gives him a non-awkward opportunity to tell you he's waiting on the girl that was sitting with him. or let you know he would like for you to sit down. it's a little bit more subtle of an approach.

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    Yes.

    I've found that girls who 'don't follow the rules' make their money, but they also aren't well liked by other girls and tend to almost be ruthless in their pursuits.
    I am going to refer customers to them? If they are a problem no I am not.

    I also agree with:

    B.) When a girl has sat with a customer for one or two songs and it's dead, she gets called on stage, and 'that girl' runs over to him and steals her sale.
    Don't be that girl. Most guys just don't know any better. Some do and don't care and that is not my idea of an ideal customer any way.

    But you really can't be angry at some girls for sitting. If a guy didn't buy me a drink I wouldn't sit for long. If he buys a drink and no dances it just depends. If you know the dancer is lazy sure go poach the guy or if the customer is giving you eyes to come over. But you don't know the conversation the two of them are having otherwise. Yes it's annoying and the girls should know better. If it's a girl that doesn't do it that often she is probably sitting for a reason.

    It's the girls that use it as a part of their repertoire that bothers me. They sit forever and then get a two or three dances or "sympathy dances" as I would call them.

    In slower clubs you have to be majorly territorial when you have regulars or potential regulars. In a busy club who cares. Chick moved in on your customer either walk up and say something or you just move on to another customer and make money if you cant get back to him.




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    We've got a new girl right now that keeps trying to steal our customers when we're onstage. Luckily our manager is there to pull her aside and tell her thats not acceptable.
    Except our manager also tried to send me to do exactly that because a girl was with a very wealthy guy, and she was far too drunk. They called her to stage and tried to send me over. I said no, not unless I'm invited.
    Double standards much.

    Anyway, my thinking is that in order to look forward to going to work, in order to enjoy it we need to have a good atmosphere amongst the dancers and the other staff, so no matter how quiet it is I won't be a bitch in my hustle.

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    It's not an every single time thing but if she's been sitting with him FOREVER and not making a sale just getting drinks...I would try to sell a dance. I mean I've worked in a VERY slow club. There are 'those' girls that don't make any money, only care about drinks, and don't want any of the other girls to make money. You HAVE to be aggresive. You have to try or else you're going to go home with nothing cause of some dumb camper girl that doesn't sell any dances anyway and only cares about shots of patron! I'Ve had several customers who have told me no other girl has even offered them a dance after half hour - hour +! I mean, really?! That just goes to show you she doesn't care about the money..they just care about getting as drunk as possible.

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    Slow clubs suck!!

    Definitely be a little more aggressive - as a general rule, I would say don't go to a guy as soon as he gets in, but that is based on a club situation where there are enough customers to go to someone else! I generally try to limit my pre-close to 2-3 songs, its a balance between rushing them and losing the sale, and wasting time. if the club is crazy busy, I'll make that one song. If its super dead, I might give them 20 mins (or even 30, if I KNOW I can get it done!!).

    In terms of sitting with a customer when the girl he was talking to is on stage - honestly, I don't have a huge problem with this in most cases. It all depends on what the norm is for your club, and how it is handled. I would definitely ask if he is waiting for her, but unless he flat out turns me away, I would sit with him, and try to sell him a double with her and me. Sometimes guys actually want to get rid of a girl and don't know how! In my club, its not a huge deal to do this - sometimes if I'm dealing with a camper and I really dislike the girl or she has cut in on me before, I'll grab them on the way to the bar or back from the bathroom...but I wouldn't recommend it unless you are prepared to deal with the possible drama!
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    Update: I did great! Made $350, which was $250 after house tip out (I hate WA clubs), and not bad for my 2nd time ever hustling in a strip club. I think being nervous made me more aggressive, so I'm gonna keep freaking myself out before my shifts.

    Even though it was me and 3 other girls, one was new, the other hung out in the dressing room a lot, and the other was actively hustling guys. So, it really wasn't that competitive. It amazes me that even with the shitty economy we're in, there are still many girls choose to ignore customers and excellent resources like SW.

    Two things I learned:

    1. The girl who was actively hustling (we got along well, she seemed to respect that I worked hard) said, in slow clubs, it only takes one customer to make your night.

    2. A friend of mine who has worked slow clubs said it's important not to get discouraged if its slow, and not to focus on "How much money did I make?" but "Did I work on getting a potential regular?" since that's often where you can make the bulk of your money. It also keeps you out of a negative mindset.
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    ^ Yes, that's how strip club hustling works in both big AND small clubs: all you need is one customer! And you really never know who that will be.

    Just because an older rich man walks into your club, that doesn't mean he's willing to spend any of his money. For all you know, the young hispanic guy who works in the restaurant down the street will come in and spend his last two paychecks on you. And this is just plain true, not just positive propaganda. I was constantly being surprised by who would spend money on me.

    Your night can be completely changed in the last hour the club is open...but if you don't keep a positive attitude and an open mind, you'll never stumble across these opportunities.

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    Nice job, K Sweet!! I have to go through the same thing, only my "slow club" has anywhere from 10-13 girls working on the weekends so that makes it twice as hard to make $$. You did great, keep it up! And it is so true that it only takes 1 guy to make your night, I've had that happen many times...also, I've had nights where I made nothing until the last hour the club was open so don't get discouraged even if you start out slow just stay positive because $$$ doesn't work off a schedule!

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    what club are you at?

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