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    Recently the GOP attempted to pass a bill that prevents certain rape victims from being allowed to receive federal money for an abortion. What's sad is that wasn't even the worst part of the bill. The bill also wants to modify a law that requires all hospitals receiving Medicare or Medicaid funding, to provide emergency care to anyone, regardless of their ability to pay. The new bill will make it allowable for doctors or hospitals to refuse to provide medical care for pregnant women with life-threatening emergencies, if it is necessary to abort the fetus in order to save the woman. These people are completely insane.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2...n-abortion.php

    Make sure to contact your Congressman to oppose this bill.

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    I'd like to say I'm shocked and appalled by this. Appalled, yes. Shocked, no. Lately, the GOP has had a tendency to pursue all sorts of things that have a root in their religious-right morality propaganda, and then they manage to twist it into some major financial concern so that their followers get all riled up about Big Government and Spending and Welfare and all that. It's so predictable it's nauseating. I don't know when it became too much to ask that Americans have a right to be safe and healthy, regardless of how much money they pull in a year.

    If they really cared about the deficit and government spending, they would cut the Defense budget, and they wouldn't have wanted to continue the Bush era cuts for the wealthy.

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    Wow. I just want to say that if they allow pregnant women to die instead of getting a life saving abortion, then that makes them hypocrites and NOT "pro life". Whether one agrees with abortions, the reality is sometimes they are needed to save the life of the mother. I want a baby, but if it is going to kill me then yes I will have an abortion.

    Btw, I know many people against abortion but most of them draw the line at rape and health of the mother. I would only have an abortion in those instances (possibly health of the fetus) but firmly believe women should have the right to abortion.

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    This is what nauseates me about Republians. So we're gonna go back to the days when women who'd had a "back alley" abortion had a massively painful death while laying on a stretcher in a hospital hallway and being denied service??

    Yep, you guys are family friendly wetf. You're all going straight to hell.
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    As somebody who is strongly pro-choice and liberal... you guys are just wrong about the facts and purposes of this proposed bill. The current law forces a hospital that recieves federal funding to perform an abortion or transport the patient to a hospital that will. The bill is about not making doctors perform a procedure that may be against their religious beliefs. By forcing a doctor to perform or help an abortion be performed is encroaching on that doctors religious rights.
    Doctors do also take the hippocratic oath. This requires them to "Do no harm" or they will lose their medical license. They are not allowed to just let women die. Could some doctor just let a woman die instead of helping her in some fashion? Legally, according to this bill, it is possible... but they would be unable to practice medicine again.
    As for the possibility of this bill bringing back back-alley abortions? Ludacris. Even if a few hospitals refuse to do them, there are plenty of hospitals and clinics that do. They are still covered by medicare. This bill would do nothing but allow hospitals to choose not to perform them.

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    and if a woman needs an abortion because she is having pregnancy complications that could result in her death, doctors or hospitals could refuse to provide her with an abortion and just let her die.

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    I don't get people who have "moral issues" with part of their job description. Like the pharmacists that refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control or the morning-after pill. I mean, get over it or find a new job. It would be like if I was a stripper and refused to give guys lap dances because I found them "morally reprehensible."

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    Default Re: GOP wants pregnant women to die

    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    I don't get people who have "moral issues" with part of their job description. Like the pharmacists that refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control or the morning-after pill. I mean, get over it or find a new job. It would be like if I was a stripper and refused to give guys lap dances because I found them "morally reprehensible."
    Because there are other reasons they got into it. I support birth control and morning after pill but I know many who don't. I guess I look at it as would I like it if I was forced to deal with someone I was opposed to. For example, when I was modeling I was approached to model furs. I am big into animal rights, and though this would have been a lot of money (and may have led to a more successful modeling career)I turned it down.

    I will say though the whole birth control situation is tricky. If this happened, the pharmacy should have someone else filling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Because there are other reasons they got into it. I support birth control and morning after pill but I know many who don't. I guess I look at it as would I like it if I was forced to deal with someone I was opposed to. For example, when I was modeling I was approached to model furs. I am big into animal rights, and though this would have been a lot of money (and may have led to a more successful modeling career)I turned it down.

    I will say though the whole birth control situation is tricky. If this happened, the pharmacy should have someone else filling it.
    This. Also, not filling birth control orders is nothing like not giving lap dances, because giving lap dances is the main part of being a dancer. If you don't do it, there goes a huge part of the job requirement. If you are a pharmacist, filling birth control/morning after pills is not a huge part of the job description. You can still be competent at your job while abstaining from it. Also, pharmacies are private companies. If you don't like the policy of the pharmacy, GO TO ANOTHER ONE. By taking your business elsewhere, you are showing the pharmacy how you disagree by not giving them your money. This is not close to the issue of the abortion bill, because there is no conceivable scenario where getting a birth control/morning after pill is life or death at that exact moment.

    Again, I am strongly pro-choice, and I think abstinence only is the worst possible way to teach children about sex. I believe birth control should be available for anybody that needs it, but that doesn't mean that every pharmacy should be required to stock it... free country and all.
    And the problem I have with the bill is the non-transport issue. I do agree that regardless of stance on abortion, leaving a woman to die of complications is insane. However, I believe this is mostly a non-issue, and just something for politicians to argue about, because doctors are required, not by law, but by medical license to help the people in need... if a doctor doesn't help a woman who may be dying, that's the last time they are going to have the chance to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nelly33 View Post
    If you are a pharmacist, filling birth control/morning after pills is not a huge part of the job description. You can still be competent at your job while abstaining from it. Also, pharmacies are private companies. If you don't like the policy of the pharmacy, GO TO ANOTHER ONE.
    Most people would not agree with an emergency room physician who refused to treat a bleeding pregnant woman who needed an abortion.....Where do you stand on this? Should she see another physician till she finds one who's morals allow him to save her life? Or should he do his damn job or get another one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nelly33 View Post
    This. Also, not filling birth control orders is nothing like not giving lap dances, because giving lap dances is the main part of being a dancer. If you don't do it, there goes a huge part of the job requirement. If you are a pharmacist, filling birth control/morning after pills is not a huge part of the job description. You can still be competent at your job while abstaining from it. Also, pharmacies are private companies. If you don't like the policy of the pharmacy, GO TO ANOTHER ONE. By taking your business elsewhere, you are showing the pharmacy how you disagree by not giving them your money. This is not close to the issue of the abortion bill, because there is no conceivable scenario where getting a birth control/morning after pill is life or death at that exact moment.
    Not everyone has that choice. In rural areas, there might not be another pharmacy anywhere near the area. Many poor women don't have cars and may only easily be able to get to a single pharmacy. For the morning-after pill, the sooner you use it after having sex, the more effective it is. If a woman has to go around trying to find a hospital or pharmacy that will supply it, she will be wasting valuable time. In addition, if the woman is rape victim, she should not have to go around searching for a pharmacy or hospital where she can get it. If there are pharmacists who don't believe in birth control, they're free not to use it. It is not for them to decide whether or not other people should or shouldn't use it. If they refuse to provide women with lawful medication, IMO, they should be fired and lose their license.

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    ^^I remember reading about one case of a poor rape victim who had to have her rapists child for exactly those reasons. Didn't make it to a clinic that would supply the morning after pill in time and for some reason surgical abortion was not recommended for her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by princessjas View Post
    Most people would not agree with an emergency room physician who refused to treat a bleeding pregnant woman who needed an abortion.....Where do you stand on this? Should she see another physician till she finds one who's morals allow him to save her life? Or should he do his damn job or get another one?
    I would think that the medial profession is self-regulated enough with the Hippo Law's and all to avoid this conflict and that the bill being proposed is just senseless posturing by a politician. When doctors actually start letting women die on the floor then they lose their medical license I believe.

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