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    That is very creepy. If someone claims to be "pro life" then kills an abortion doctor then that person is NOT pro life.

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    yea agreed.
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    customer: hmm... nah actually i will take the shotgun marriage. At least then we would be having sex.


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    saw it on fb. it's so fucked up.

    i can just imagine a girl with a bloated tummy going to the one planned parenthood in south dakota to get some birth control or std test or something, only to be harassed for going to get an abortion, then the doctor or nurse practioner there gets killed for it. because crazy people don't seem to realize that abortion is only a small portion of what planned parenthood is all about. they do prefer to help women prevent unwanted pregnancy, as well as to maintain reproductive health. what's wrong with that? oh yeah, that's the thing... the crazies don't really care about abortions. they just hate that women have any rights at all. and genuinely pro-life moderates go along with it because of how much they love babies and all that shit. i just hate it.
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    I read about this...I honestly don't understand those pro-life nutjobs. I mean, if they're so concerned about saving a helpless human life, why aren't they more concerned about all the extraordinarily violent genocide in various countries in Africa? Seems a more worthy cause than harassing helpless women and teenage girls, and the doctors who help them get exams and birth control--and, yes, sometimes abortions. Maybe pro-lifers don't care about helping black people, only unborn fetuses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    Maybe pro-lifers don't care about helping black people, only unborn fetuses.
    You do realize that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was an acknowledged racist and that abortion clinics were and are predominantly located in neighborhoods with heavy minority populations. Its also a fact that black women's pregnancies are far more likely to end in abortion than any other ethnicity. How can you try to link pro-lifers to racism when the fetuses they're trying to save include a high percentage of black ones?

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    Most of them have no concern about the fetus. They're only interested in punishing the woman for having sex. Most anti-abortionists, including yourself, are fighting to take away health care from those same poor women and children they claim to be so concerned about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Most of them have no concern about the fetus. They're only interested in punishing the woman for having sex. Most anti-abortionists, including yourself, are fighting to take away health care from those same poor women and children they claim to be so concerned about.
    And you know what people think because you..... read minds???

    Those women have the same access to health care that I do. I shouldn't have to work to support anyone other than my family or people I choose to support. Spend a little time seeing what I see regularly. Students definitely from the "dependency class" wearing designer clothes, $150 sneakers, driving nice cars and watching big HDTV's and tell me it's okay for my (and I assume your) tax dollars to be spent providing them coverage their families don't care to pay for.
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    ^ Uh, welcome to America. Everyone here has a sense of entitlement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firemaiden04 View Post
    ^ Uh, welcome to America. Everyone here has a sense of entitlement.
    Everyone except the unborn babies......
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    ^ Oh, for the love of...

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    Actually, I've known some very kind truly pro life people. They were against abortion, but they put their money where their mouth was and actually helped these women. They didn't protest at abortion clinics but instead took in pregnant women. They were also for healthcare btw, and for them it wasn't a matter of disliking women. To me they are much different than the anti abortion zealots who truly hate abortion because they hate women making choices. I've actually spoken to true pro life people and they are ashamed of the nutjobs, just like I as a feminist are ashamed of the extreme leftwing man hater feminists.

    Bem does make a good point about those who take advantage of the sytem. I've seen so many people on welfare who ate, dressed and drove a better car than me. I've seen so many people abuse the system, and Illinois is famous for its generous benefits. In fact people come here from other states just to take advantage. Meanwhile, those who truly need assistance often can't get it. Oh and Illinois former governor Rod "the hair" Blagojevich passed through a bill offering medical benefits to any family making $60,000. Not just the kids, and including illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, I have no insurance and there's nothing that can help me because I didn't breed. Sorry, but why should I be paying more taxes for a family making $60,000? Maybe they should sell their SUV or their minimansions to pay for medical.

    However, the fact is many men are against abortion because it does give women a choice. If you truly are against it for religious reasons I understand your reason. If you disagree but then but then don't want to help these women then it has nothing to do with the fetus and all about the woman.

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    ^^^ As far as am concerned, I am not making excuses for the zealots. I have never protested or even acknowledged these people when I see them protesting. I have looked objectively at the issue and see it the way I've expressed. I appreciate that people can and do find themselves in difficult situations only exacerbated by an unwanted pregnancy. That being said, the fact the a pregnancy is unwanted or inconvenient is hardly a reason to justify an abortion IMO. If the life of the mother becomes an issue, it's a different story.
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    For me personally, I've mentioned that I'd only consider an abortion three reasons: rape, my health, and possibly health of the baby. Otherwise I am having the baby and I tell guys I date this. The reason is because way too many think if they get a girl pregnant she will just abort, and I won't. I don't respect women who use it as birth control.

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    I don't think we differ that much, I just have the bar a bit higher to justify abortion. For the record, if I got a girl pregnant and she contemplated abortion, I'd do everything in my power to convince her to have the baby and I'd do my part as the father. If she decided on the abortion (as is her right), I'd be devastated and she'd be dead to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I don't think we differ that much, I just have the bar a bit higher to justify abortion. For the record, if I got a girl pregnant and she contemplated abortion, I'd do everything in my power to convince her to have the baby and I'd do my part as the father. If she decided on the abortion (as is her right), I'd be devastated and she'd be dead to me.
    See, I actually agree with you on that. I got into a discussion about this with the last guy I was with and we were on the same wavelength. He told me that if I got pregnant he'd expect me to have the baby, but that he'd marry me if we weren't married, and be a dad in all respects. He told me he'd be involved, including going to the doctor's appointments and the delivery (and he would have). If I find someone else I'll look for someone like that because the idea of me having an abortion does bother me. I suppose this is why I am very careful who I have sex with because of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    And you know what people think because you..... read minds???
    I can tell by their actions

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    Those women have the same access to health care that I do.
    Do you have health insurance? If you do, then those women do not have the same access to health care that you have. If you have health insurance, who pays for it? You or your employer?

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    I shouldn't have to work to support anyone other than my family or people I choose to support.
    So you want to force poor women to pay for giving birth to and supporting a baby they don't want, because they unexpectedly became pregnant, but you're not willing to contribute a single penny? You obviously don't care about what happens to the fetus once it is born.


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    Spend a little time seeing what I see regularly. Students definitely from the "dependency class" wearing designer clothes, $150 sneakers, driving nice cars and watching big HDTV's and tell me it's okay for my (and I assume your) tax dollars to be spent providing them coverage their families don't care to pay for.
    Health Insurance costs a lot more than designer clothes or HDTV's. I know a few single mothers, and none of them, or their children, live the lifestyle you described above. They're just barely getting by. There's no possible way they could afford to buy health insurance on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I don't think we differ that much, I just have the bar a bit higher to justify abortion.
    I think you do. Kelly doesn't want to impose her views on others, you do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Actually, I've known some very kind truly pro life people. They were against abortion, but they put their money where their mouth was and actually helped these women. They didn't protest at abortion clinics but instead took in pregnant women. They were also for healthcare btw, and for them it wasn't a matter of disliking women. To me they are much different than the anti abortion zealots who truly hate abortion because they hate women making choices. I've actually spoken to true pro life people and they are ashamed of the nutjobs, just like I as a feminist are ashamed of the extreme leftwing man hater feminists.

    Bem does make a good point about those who take advantage of the sytem. I've seen so many people on welfare who ate, dressed and drove a better car than me. I've seen so many people abuse the system, and Illinois is famous for its generous benefits. In fact people come here from other states just to take advantage. Meanwhile, those who truly need assistance often can't get it. Oh and Illinois former governor Rod "the hair" Blagojevich passed through a bill offering medical benefits to any family making $60,000. Not just the kids, and including illegal immigrants. Meanwhile, I have no insurance and there's nothing that can help me because I didn't breed. Sorry, but why should I be paying more taxes for a family making $60,000? Maybe they should sell their SUV or their minimansions to pay for medical.
    That is why I'm in favor of universal health care. There is no reason why you should have to go without health insurance.

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    However, the fact is many men are against abortion because it does give women a choice. If you truly are against it for religious reasons I understand your reason. If you disagree but then but then don't want to help these women then it has nothing to do with the fetus and all about the woman.
    Based on Bem's comments, he doesn't want to do anything to help these women, but he wants to force them to give birth if they unexpectedly become pregnant, regardless of their situation.

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    bem brought up an interesting point here. Up until the 1970s, it was common to sterilize poor black women who came in for abortions. It probably still happens to some extent today, although not in Planned Parenthood. There definitely is a subset of pro-lifers who are motivated by anti-racism along with others who are motivated by racism. Same with pro-choicers. Shit's fucked up. Eugenics was never just a Nazi thing. I know it's a bit off topic, but it's important to be aware of the historical and racial context of the debate, especially considering that it's acknowledged very rarely. I'm extremely pro-choice by the way, for what it's worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I can tell by their actions
    How, exactly? They have less concern for the fetus than the mother who wants to abort it?

    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Do you have health insurance? If you do, then those women do not have the same access to health care that you have. If you have health insurance, who pays for it? You or your employer?
    I have health insurance which I co-pay for. Emergency rooms turn away no one who needs to be seen, even the illegals. Neither does the local hospital dealing with pregnant women and children.

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    So you want to force poor women to pay for giving birth to and supporting a baby they don't want, because they unexpectedly became pregnant, but you're not willing to contribute a single penny? You obviously don't care about what happens to the fetus once it is born.
    They have the coverage they need to see the pregnancy through. If they don't want the child, adoption is an option. It shouldn't be my responsibility to pay for anyone's anything except those that are in my family or those i choose to support. Presently, single moms with multiple kids who are continuing to have children are plentiful, so they're obviously being taken care of by the state.



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    Health Insurance costs a lot more than designer clothes or HDTV's. I know a few single mothers, and none of them, or their children, live the lifestyle you described above. They're just barely getting by. There's no possible way they could afford to buy health insurance on their own.
    Well, I teach in an inner-city high school populated by kids behaving the way I described and RI is a magnet for immigrants looking for a generous system (or so I've read). If the government is covering all their expenses, there's obviously something wrong if they can indulge themselves the way they do.
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    I think you do. Kelly doesn't want to impose her views on others, you do.
    A question gets posed, I weigh in. That's the extent of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    That is why I'm in favor of universal health care. There is no reason why you should have to go without health insurance.
    Who goes without healthcare? ER's cannot turn away people needing to be seen and the Women and Infants Hospital for RI will not turn away mothers needing medical care while preganant.


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    Based on Bem's comments, he doesn't want to do anything to help these women, but he wants to force them to give birth if they unexpectedly become pregnant, regardless of their situation.
    So wanting to prevent abortions is actually worse than initiating one? Right now, around here at least, there is adequate help for pregnant women. Once the baby is born, they can give it up if they choose. To me, that is a much more humane position than killing the fetus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    A question gets posed, I weigh in. That's the extent of it.
    You had previously said that you're in favor of making abortions illegal unless the mother's life is in danger.

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    Exactly, I don't want to impose my views on others. I wouldn't likely have an abortion, but it's not my business to tell someone else what they can do. The only exception would be with regards to taxes going for abortions, and that I would support, but respect those people who don't want to pay for abortion. However, I remember when I was 19, raped and suspected I was pregnant. I'll never know, but I remember how scared I was not only dealing with rape but possibly a pregnancy and broke then.

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    That is why I'm in favor of universal health care. There is no reason why you should have to go without health insurance.
    If there was a better plan for universal healthcare I'd be for it. However (at least in Illinois) their "universal healthcare doesn't include me so yes I resent paying for a system which I need (and will eventually get when I find a fulltime job) but others get instead.

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