Your right , But i dont feel like im trafficking women , I have my own bills that i need to pay. I guess i just said that as a way to make myself feel better , But your not "Bad" for working there , Maybe naive , But not "Bad".




Your right , But i dont feel like im trafficking women , I have my own bills that i need to pay. I guess i just said that as a way to make myself feel better , But your not "Bad" for working there , Maybe naive , But not "Bad".
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Hehe actually , Im kinda scared if i was to say something , they might somwhow find out , and come after me, hehe talk about scary people , to scare someone who you dont even have.
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I do not feel that is the same thing...because YOU KNOW that Streamate themselves support this and use the income made from YOU to do it and that is isn't from the "back of the store" but is the very supporting pillars of their business.
So the analogy would be more like a store that SAYS they sell Mattresses, but actually sells Heroin, and you know it and you work as the cashier and say "I don't get paid for selling heroin, I just ring up the customers!" I mean the MAIN part of Streamate (and many others) business is the studio system. Without it they would go under. YOU make them look legitimate, and you make them 2/3rd of your work so they can afford more advertising and promotion and recruiting, and you KNOW it. So it isn't like someone selling weed out the back of the store..
I realize that to self-deceive, or rationalize, or avoid the reality of the situation is natural, because we want to make the money these places offer, but do not want to accept we work for and put money in the pockets of those who are at best VERY friendly with and even promoting of EVIL acts. Just like wearing Nike even though we know 6 year olds are paid 6cents an hour to make them in a sweat shop. It's easier not to face that our participation is wrong, because it hurts US personally in our pocketbook, or we have to wear crappier shoes.
But Streamate, LJ and a few others went into business almost solely on the blood of female slaves forced into prostitution and camming against their will, and help keep them captive, and very very afraid and literally RUINED by these people, and then cast off when they are done. Without the top 5 cam sites, these traffickers would be much less likely to recruit MORE women, since this camming gives them the way to recruit an almost unlimited amount, where prostitution alone did not. MFC participates, but did not go into business solely on the backs of slaves, however, to work for them is just to choose a lesser of two evils.
So, what do you do? Well you COULD make a cam site...or help ME make them for US, Because I believe WE can make cam sites that do not accept ANY of this sort of labor. In fact sites where we encourage a different sort of participation completely. In other words, we need to completely steal back the industry from those who make slaves of our sisters and beat them and force them to do things they would never otherwise do.
Wanna really fix it? You gotta take a stand and get your hands dirty, otherwise, you ARE part of the problem...
No judgements, love you...
B




Lets do it!
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Honestly, if you can rationalize it to yourself, then so be it. It is your karma and conscience, and you decide if this sort of thing matters to YOU..not me...I promise, I am just telling you why Streamate NEVER gets a cent of my money, or a scootch of my labors, because they are an evil I CAN combat, unlike chocolate and cheap clothes and so on...because in camming there are alternatives...
I have no right or desire to judge you...and I never will...however I will tell you what I feel you are doing cause and effect wise...
B
PS, I could make an affiliate site for SM and do REALLY well...I will not...




I dont feel like im much use to them every client i get from them i send to my site , and get payed through my own payment processer , yea , i bumm there traffic hehe
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Regardless these sick sick individuals are going to find someway to make money off of these women and in all honesty compared to other things they make some of these girls do this is the lesser of the two evils... sitting at a computer chatting with assholes or being pumped full of drugs and being raped multiple times a day, God only knows what kind of other sick shit that goes one. I don't want what im saying to be taken as im turning a blind eye or saying its ok because it's not as bad, because it's still horrible. I think something should be down about it for sure i just dont know if trying to get these websites to kick these girls off is the right way to go about it because even if you do that it's not as if they are just going to let the girls go home back to their families, no their going to set them up doing something probally much much worse than this. I think it should all stop, I can't imagine what could be done to make an impact the other thing i could say is if the goverment officals in diff. countries quit excepting bribes and turning a blind eye to this crime against humanity then atleast some of it might stop, although I do not believ it will ever stop. It's all very sad. I hope I didn't come off the wrong way I think I'm having a little trouble getting my point across. I just don't think it will ever stop andf if you were her and u would you ratehr be on a webcam or walking the streets and catching hiv or whatever else..?
Youre right in a lot of ways and if all of their faithful camgirls took a stand at once and said they would not back a website that has such little respect for human life, and for what?? To make a few bucks!(as if they dont take enough already!) Well then Streamate would be forced to take a hard look at themselves and change SOMETHING. However we all know that even if we all and 1000's of other women quit there would be thousands to take our place. Companies from what I have noticed hate to loose face though if there was some way to prove Streamate knowingly allowed this to go on (even thoguh it's fairly obvious, we all know they would deny it as long as they could without evidence) and let the world know and they lost a large portion of their customer base because of it that might help. Obviously they would have to address a lot of angry people that are wondering why they would allow this to go on, all of the angry parents of abducted children that very possibly could be one of those poor girls on that website or in some other part of this hideous bUSSINESS THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO ACT, but only if it was made into a public spectacle. Also you would think at that point SOMEONE with some power and authority would then take a hard look a streamate and the girls that work for them, and i doubt those evil men want to be questioned about their house full of underage girls of a adult webcam site, kidnapped from their families. Ok I'm probally rambling sorry, very tired started working last nite finally after putting it off for ever.




Eve, I appreciate the input. As you guys can tell, I am really passionate about this issue. So if I come off at all as accusing you guys of something or sounding harsh, well, I am...and I don't mean it to be personal toward you guys.
Two points though. The first is that camming is the lesser of two evils, so to speak...while that is true morally in the normal world, Camming makes room for many many many more of these women to be exploited and enslaved, because camming is much more popular in the sense that there are many many many customers, while in the streets of Manila, or another Phillipine (Colombian Thai, Easter European, Etc.) city, there is only room for so many prostitutes, but when only 1/3rd of you girls need to be on the street at any given time, you can expand the work-force by 2/3rds. So traffickers who would normally have a few hundred girls, now have up to a thousand because camming exists as well as other internet porn...
Secondly, (and this isn't aimed at you Eve, promise, you are only the most recent to say this, not NEARLY the first) the commonly uttered thing that there is always 1000 camgirls waiting to take our place...it's just not true...
That can be said for a job one needs to apply for, or be "qualified" for, or whatever...However, how hard is it to be a camgirl? Why would even one girl who WANTS to be a camgirl be WAITING? You get a cam, you send in yer stuff, and you cam...almost NO-ONE ever gets turned down or anything...
So just some stuff to consider.
B
PS. Are studios and big camsites EVER *not* begging girls to sign up and make $2000 per week!?



I know many of you girls have a lot of issues with IFriends (let it be clear, me too, though it was my first site), mostly unrelated to that matter, of course. I just wanted to comment that their policy is that they do not allow any "too young looking" girl work on the site, which can seem ridiculous or hugely subjective when you first read, but, seen through this "human traffic" perspective, makes total sense. Even if your documents say you're 30, if you look underage they won't accept you (I wasn't accepted at first, when I was 1. I think that pain-in-the-ass registration process you have to go through that some of you know is to prevent from things like that happening too. You have to record a video documentation session, and one of the questions asked, if I remember well, is whether your doing this by your own decision and discretion or not. I think they try to get a hint (they record your face while you answer that) if the girl is being forced into it or not. Whether it works or not is a completely different story, but I haven't seen anything like your telling there, in over 4 years.
Someone said girls from outside UK/USA/Australia or something shouldn't be accepted. Not only it's a huge generalization (there are other places with high levels of human development, you know?), it wouldn't even start to fix the problem, just keep it away from your sight or even make it worse (not working on these sites they would be forced to "heavier" exploitation). If these girls couldn't work on these sites they would still be forced into some other form of sexual exploitation. Are you worried about their well-being and safety or about these 3rd world nasty things somehow infiltrating your life? Please, I'm not trying to sound harsh at all, but that isn't such a quick solution...
None of this it's a localized problem. Here in South America one of the biggest problems related to that matter is of sexual exploitation of minors mostly by american and european "tourists". They even started to call it "sexual tourism". They come in groups, sometimes with trips organized on the internet, and usually in big cruise lines. They "recruit" children on the beaches, offering what to them seems like a big amount of money in exchange of sexual favors (usually boys under 12). For me it's pretty obvious the travel agency who books those groups must, at some point, suspect of something, or even people inside the cruise line. Not saying that people from here don't take part on it as well, of course they do, a huge part. It's just not a matter of "here it doesn't happen".
Ah, and when I stop to think about that, Bambalina, I feel like quiting camming altogether (not only these mentioned sites). I'm 22 but I do look younger. God only fucking knows if I'm not helping one of these "tourists" to get off when they pay me to put on a schoolgirl outfit and act like I'm younger than I am. I often think if I'm not facilitating all this somehow. Maybe these pervs first start toying with the idea, look for websites, then do underage role-play with a cam girl or boy, then start feeling more comfortable with their own paraphilia and book one of these cruises or whatever.
Some sites allow us to see member's IP. Who has never been asked to role-play to be underage or whatever? I had a guy on SM one of these days who asked me to pretend I was his daughter... Another one, in the middle of a session when I was wearing a school girl skirt, asked me to say my pussy was hurting because I was too young to have sex... If we were allowed to flag these IP's addresses and the site later passed them on to the police or something, I think that could help to get some of these guys (I'm sure if they were found by IP address police would find underage pornographic material on their computers)... Even the sites would disclaim this as a possibility when members are signing up ("if you say something that suggest illegal sexual activity, your IP will be flagged), maybe it would scare these kind of people... This is a Lalalaland idea, I know, and IP addresses aren't even that reliable if you want to find someone's physical location...
I think I got lost and I've deviate from the original discussion, what 'm trying to say is that if those girls are there, it's because there's a demand for them (also not saying it necessarily come from the US/UK/Australia or any place in specific actually). A guy would have to be pretty naive not to realize she's being forced into it (which can happen I guess, but not in the majority of cases), if they are being forced into prostitution or whatever it's not for the "amusement" of the local population as well, who's vastly poor as they are... In Philippines case I imagine (that's just a guess) the clients must be mostly from Japan, Korea, Hong Kong and other more developed areas around.
Anyway, now I'm gonna be depressed for the rest of the day, this is a touchy subject for me...




I think its touchy for all uf us , We make livings in a business where many many many girls are victim to such tandoori abuse.
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I found this:
http://www.humantrafficking.org/countries/philippines
Haven't read it extensively yet... I'm going to research if there's an NGO or something which would be more prepared to get into this if we reported. I guess they have their own ways to deal with this kind of situation without putting the girl in danger.
Thank you. I see where you're coming from. Untill I read this Post from the OP I never considered the possibility of cam sites as a veichile for this industry.
I have a question though Aside from your previously stated plan to boycott Streamate(Which isn't a bad idea, however it is not realistic for those of us that depend on their traffic for bills, as stated) Do you have any ideas as to how we can FORCE Streamate to stand up and take notice, somethign they can't ignore? Is there any way to get proof that they knowingly have sex slaves working right under their noses and haven't done anything about it? I't must be illegal to have sex slaves working for you (some of which that may be underage) in the U.S. right..? and I believe the website itself is based in the U.S. so surely something would have to be done if enough noise was made.
I doubt anyone wants to turn on the evening news to see their top camsite plastered all over the screen and neither do I but I would like to do something. I know they say it only takes one person to make a difference, but I like to see results. To be honest I am just not sure where to start.. and almost feel helpless because I know It won't ever go away but it would be nice to see a change even if its only one website no longer supporting it, more will follow I am sure.
I was kind of rambling in my above post.. I kjnow there is not quick fix. I just wish there was something that would actually make a difference most of it is so underground and filled with law enforcement payoffs and goverment officials turning away its sick. I feel so bad for those girls. I can only imagine how they must feel, how scared they are. Did you know people get paid to 'supply' these pieces of shit with girls. Like Joran Van Der Sloot I am studying forensic phsycology and did a paper on him and he is a pathological liar but he once said that he did not kill Natalie Holloway but that he instead sold her for 10,000$ into the sex trade which is soemthing that happens everyday. You would have to be one callius person to be able to live with yourself after somethign like that.
Thanks for that thread missmagnolia, this is pretty screwed up about their goverment. the people you're supposed to trust are even after you to make a buck. very sad.
The Philippine Government
The Philippine Government was placed in Tier 2 in the 2007 U.S. Department of State’s Trafficking in Persons Report for not fully complying with the Trafficking Victims Protection Act’s minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking but making significant efforts to do so. There are reports of immigration and police officers who are complicit in human trafficking.8

Do you who the biggest offenders are in the Philippines that sell the girls to the traffickers? Many times, it is their own families. Mamasans from the bars and cyber-dens in Manila, Cebu, Angeles City and other cities, will go to the provinces looking for new girls, and promise them a lot of money. Many of these girls have seen other girls from their village leave and send money back to their families and are eager to go. Some are promised jobs in Japan, Russia, Malaysia, Korea or the Middle East as domestic help, but once they get there, are sent to the clubs and their passports taken away.
In many places in the Philippines, the females of the family are considered second class citizens. If there is not enough food for the whole family, the father and sons will eat, and the wife and daughters go hungry. But then, the daughters are expected to support the family (not the sons, they are supposed to start their own families) That is ingrained in the daughter from a very young age. Once the daughter goes off to earn the money, the families sit back and wait for the money to start coming back to them. For many Filipinas, family comes first, before everything else. She may not earn much, but she will send most of it back home to the family.
It is a big problem in the Philippines because so many are so poor. There is so much corruption there, from the top, all the way down to the local villages. There are no jobs (if a fast food restaurant has an opening, they may get 500 applications for that one job, many of then college graduates), so they look for anyway they can to make money. I really wish I had an answer.
I am in NO WAY endorsing trafficking there. I am very very strongly against it. I was just giving some facts on the Philippines.
That is very very sad from what i have read about families doing that, I don't know if it was the Philippines or another country but there was a story about a mother who's daughter was being abused by the brother and father and she wanted a way out for her and these peoplep knew that and preyed upon it and told her they would help her daughter and she would be given a job basically being a nanny/maid to a wealthy family in the same or nearby country. needless to say they did god knows waht to her. One thing that really stuck in my brain like a bad dream from when I was very young was some documentory my mom was watching about this human trade in prostitution rings for young girls in India. I don't remember any details because I was maybe 6 or 7 when I saw this(I don't think my mom knew I was paying attention) But the basis was they were lying to these fathers and mothers of these beautiful, young Indian girls because over there the daughter's family is expected to present to husband's with a dowery(usually with quite a bit of money)as I'm sure you guys know and there are so many families that know they will not be able to offer anything close to what is expected to give . I don't know exactly what they believe in that case but it's soemthing like their daughter will never marry, or never have a happy life or something. Anyways they go to these impoverished families over there and offer to take their daughter away for X amount of years to stay and work somewhere to earn some money towards it and be taken care of and while she there it gives them an opprotunity to al;so save money because they have one less mouth to feed. Needless to say they never bring them back. They found about a hundred girls from somewhere in India sleeping in this room with like 50 bunkbeds practically on top of eachother, covered in filith and when these men wanted to have sex they could go in and pick the one he wants and rape her.



I'm probably nit-picking here, but I feel like criminalizing (or judging, for that matter) people's sexual fantasies is a really, really slippery slope. I identify as a queer sex radical feminist (that's kind of an awkward mouthful, but there it is). I also identify as a proud submissive who happens to very much get off on ageplay sometimes.Some sites allow us to see member's IP. Who has never been asked to role-play to be underage or whatever? I had a guy on SM one of these days who asked me to pretend I was his daughter... Another one, in the middle of a session when I was wearing a school girl skirt, asked me to say my pussy was hurting because I was too young to have sex... If we were allowed to flag these IP's addresses and the site later passed them on to the police or something, I think that could help to get some of these guys (I'm sure if they were found by IP address police would find underage pornographic material on their computers)
Sex trafficking is one of the grossest, saddest, DIREST things going on in the world right now (hell, for much longer than "right now"). Pedophilia, rape culture, incest, et cetera, make me feel homicidal, as in, I want to fucking kill the types of people who take advantage of people in this way. There is clearly a LOT that we need to think about, and organize, and do around these issues.
It makes me really uncomfortable, though, when the idea is floated, however flippantly, of reporting people for the fantasies that they choose to entrust in us. It's just a little too 1984 for my taste--not to mention for my clit![]()


^^ (sexandgrammer) I agree. I have never really seen ageplay or incest roleplaying as really all that bad. People have a lot of inner fantasies that they get off to. It doesn't necessarily mean that they act on it in real life. Besides if they were real pedophiles they wouldn't be paying to watch an adult woman masturbating. I personally get off to the idea of being gang-banged, but there is no way in hell I'd go through with that in real life (nor do I think I'd enjoy it).
Saying that people should be arrested for wanting to play out a 'taboo' fantasy on webcam is VERY 1984ish... it's basically the thought police.
I agree theres bigger things to worry about, like what people are doing not what is getting them off



^^ (Smurfette) Word! To all of that! And I hear you on the gang rape. I spent a lonnnnng time feeling really horrible about myself as a feminist, as a WOMAN, even, for some of the fantasies I have. I mean, I still feel really complicatedly about a lot of them. But I try to remind myself of something the brilliant Kate Bornstein said: You can do whatever you want, as long as it's not mean. Simple--maybe too simple for some situations--but also pretty profound. So, these days, where sex is concerned, I feel like you can really play with anything in the world that gets you off--as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. Unless that person happens to be a happy masochist. In which case, bring on the whips
Again, I didn't mean to derail a really, really, REALLY important talk. Call it a knee-jerk reaction, a pet peeve. The Andrea Dworkins and Kitty MacKinnons of the world--to say nothing of the pesky voices in my head--demonize our dirty little fantasies enough already.
Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnyway!




I think the #1 thing that could help to fix these ills, plus the pay rate, plus the way we're treated vis-a-vis the contract making us sign everything away forever, plus all the unforeseen stuff, is to organize...unionize...collective bargaining is powerful. But I am at a loss in how to get activists together to actually go out and canvas and talk to other cam girls and make it happen. I made CGU for the express purpose of the collective/co-op/union, but we need to have women on every cam site telling every camgirl it exists and that they need to come join us and make things better.
B
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