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    I wasn't meaning vanilla age play at all. Maybe I'm a target for a different kind of wackos then... I can mention dozens and dozens of things I've been said that I don't think neither of you would be comfortable with, even considering it role playing. I do look very young, that's maybe why I get these guys. A guy once asked me to pretend I was his daughter as I said, I don't remember how old he said she was, but it was definitely under 10. I don't think that's acceptable AT ALL. Other guy made a similar request not too long ago, but this time asking me to pretend I was his wife's daughter. I remember one who wanted to role play on the telephone with me one day, and started to talk as he was babysitting me and talking with "baby voice" (I mean, the voice you use to talk to a baby, not sure how you call it) and mentioning and calling his dick "baby bottle" as he were trying to trick me ("my character") into sucking it... The funny thing is that they only reveal that kind of intention after some minutes of pvt. The funny thing is that this is a recent phenomenon to me, maybe I'm just having a coincidental wave of urgh, don't even know how to call them...

    And yes, my mind draws some unlikely scenarios sometimes...

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    I'm probably nit-picking here, but I feel like criminalizing (or judging, for that matter) people's sexual fantasies is a really, really slippery slope. I identify as a queer sex radical feminist (that's kind of an awkward mouthful, but there it is). I also identify as a proud submissive who happens to very much get off on ageplay sometimes.

    Sex trafficking is one of the grossest, saddest, DIREST things going on in the world right now (hell, for much longer than "right now"). Pedophilia, rape culture, incest, et cetera, make me feel homicidal, as in, I want to fucking kill the types of people who take advantage of people in this way. There is clearly a LOT that we need to think about, and organize, and do around these issues.

    It makes me really uncomfortable, though, when the idea is floated, however flippantly, of reporting people for the fantasies that they choose to entrust in us. It's just a little too 1984 for my taste--not to mention for my clit

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    Hrm... I mean, I find that stuff creepy, but again, I really feel like it's dangerous--extremely dangerous--to try to criminalize anyone's sexual fantasies. Like Smurfette said, if they were into children, they wouldn't be paying a grown woman good money to role-play with them.

    In my experience--which is admittedly limited--role-play takes quite a bit of self-awareness. Both parties need to consent, for one. And it sounds like you have really clear boundaries, and I absolutely respect and admire that. Especially in the sex industry, where it's so easy to cross the line from what you're comfortable with over into what makes you queasy, I really applaud that you know where you stand, and what you won't do. When a cam customer asks me specifically to pretend to be under ten, I usually try to steer the conversation elsewhere. But just because I'm not always comfortable going there with someone in my work life, doesn't mean that I feel I'm entitled to judge anyone else for it.

    Everyone is entitled to his or her fantasy, as long as it stays a fantasy, OR as long as its acted out between two consensual, safe, and sane adults. That's the edict I try to live (and love!) by

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexandgrammar View Post
    I really feel like it's dangerous--extremely dangerous--to try to criminalize anyone's sexual fantasies. Like Smurfette said, if they were into children, they wouldn't be paying a grown woman good money to role-play with them.
    I am very very very anti-thought police. I think criminalizing fantasy is a very dangerous thing as well. But to play devil's advocate, I am not sure I agree with the above.

    If a guy is an active pedophile for girls around age 10-14, and doesn't have continual access, it is very likely he looks on the net for extremely young looking models to role-play with when there is no actual 10-14 yr old girls available. I would assume there isn't an unending supply of underaged girls, or opportunity to molest them (thank heavens)...Wouldn't you agree?

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    It's a really good question, and I'm not sure what I think. I've always assumed that someone who is an honest-to-god pedophile has NO interest in adult women. As in, does not find adult women attractive, and thus, would just view an adult woman acting like a child as rather silly.

    I think Smurfette's bringing up rape fantasies was actually very apt. I fantasize about rape. I don't think this is uncommon, but I don't presume to speak for all women--not at all. When I was a child, I fantasized about being taken by force, although I didn't have a name for it then. I was never molested, or assaulted, nor did I ever want to be. This is all to say that I really think that a fantasy world should be presumed to be just that, as long as no one's getting hurt.

    Andrea Dworkin wrote that "pornography is the theory, rape is the practice." She also believed that rape is a crime of violence, not of sex, and that all men are natural rapists, if not literally then figuratively. Needless to say, I disagree with Andrea Dworkin. Fervently.

    If I play the devil's advocate, too, and assume that there ARE pedophiles who troll the internet looking for women to role-play with, I still can't justify criminalizing role-play. When that happens, then all so-called "deviant" sexualities become criminalized, as is the case, to a lesser extent, with obscenity laws in Canada.

    The issue here is sex trafficking, and that's a real one, a HUGE one. We have our work MORE than cut out for us in trying to help the very real, very trafficked women (and men) out there, without worrying about people's fantasy lives. When we do the latter, I feel like we can get even more overwhelmed by the uphill battle at hand, and then do nothing.

    (I love debates like this. A lot.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    Someone said girls from outside UK/USA/Australia or something shouldn't be accepted. Not only it's a huge generalization (there are other places with high levels of human development, you know?), it wouldn't even start to fix the problem, just keep it away from your sight or even make it worse (not working on these sites they would be forced to "heavier" exploitation). If these girls couldn't work on these sites they would still be forced into some other form of sexual exploitation. Are you worried about their well-being and safety or about these 3rd world nasty things somehow infiltrating your life? Please, I'm not trying to sound harsh at all, but that isn't such a quick solution...
    I just said that because I don't really think I could live with myself if I was profiting off of people being exploited. I know that it wouldn't solve the problem, but yes, I do think that sites should be more picky when accepting people, especially those outside of developed countries...the video recording thing you mentioned doesn't sound like a bad idea actually. My main issue is with studios, and you can usually tell that most girls in really poor countries are in studios by the tacky wallpaper and screens etc. I never said it would be a quick solution, but I do think it could be a step in the right direction if big sites stopped turning a blind eye out of greed when they could use their almighty powers to help people in these situations, even if just by raising awareness.

    Sexandgrammar I can relate to some of what you say because there are plenty of fantasies I have too that I would never want to actually happen, or I should say I'd only want them to happen with the right guy. I think it's the same for most customers, but sometimes I think "Would they really do these things if given the right opportunity and they could get away with it?" I usually give the benefit of the doubt that it's just a fantasy for them but that doesn't mean I don't get creeped out haha.

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    On the subject of men being petifiles , Have you ever heard of "Hardcore Max" He actualy has the girls in his porn movies say they are 13-14 , call him mister , Where pigtails , and dora the explora shirts, ect , He has over 100 movies with 100 different girls , most of them foreign , phillipens russa , in some of his videos the girls appear to be REALLY underage , some of them are porn stars though , so mabye just good casting for the part? Ive been researching him for sometime now , its kinda creepy.

    Im not asking for a online orgy , But what do you think of these from a human standpoint.


    In this video around 3:40ish the girl actually says shes 14- Obviously a lie , But still i didnt think that was allowed , Suggested underage sex , Im not trying to call the max man out , for obviously hes not breaking any MAJOR laws , beings his massive video base , But still ied like your input.
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    Buffy, your video gave me a clue on why I attract this kind of members... I started to wear braces again less than a year ago... Some of them make remarks about it, that added to me looking younger that I am... well... I'm just so fed up of being asked to act like a child...

    And yes Sunbeans, I really agree with you them. Studios should not be allowed in these countries, maybe not outside the country the site is from, since the sites have no way to control if the model is being paid or not. Sorry, I guess I didn't understand what you meant. I'm a little sensitive about this because when I was in IF there was some nastiness going on on the forums, with many girls really insulting non-American girls and suggesting they should leave or receive their payout in their own currency (I remember thinking, what the fuck? Why should I be paid less for the same work and make more to the site? That's the same mentality of international companies that establish factories in 3rd world countries so they can pay less for the same work...).

    Actually, the first time I worked on a site ever was for a studio (a physical one). Here they put adds on the newspaper saying they need "English speaking girls". I went to an interview and though I would give it a try... And yes they ripped me off... I had quit because I found out I could do this from home (they claim you cannot), I really didn't like the woman who ran the whole thing so I did it by phone. Like a week later I went there to receive what I had earned and... puff! The studio was gone! They left the location, and didn't leave any phone number with the building administration... They had made me sign a contract saying that if I ever worked on the same site two years from signing up with them I would owe them 2 thousand dollars. I didn't care because I know that was BS... The funniest thing is that I recognized that lady 2 years after that because she was a participant on Big Brother...

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    I have a question tho, whose answer I can't give yet to myself... In which point do you think fantasy/fetish stops and we start dealing with paraphilia/aka the sick stuff?

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    Although I didn't think exactly this (but I should have), what I frequently wonder about that matter is whether guys who ask things like that aren't "proto-pedophiles" who might start their activities with, but not exclusively, camming. No one suddenly wakes up and think "hey, I think I wanna start molesting children today". They might try this kind of role play to make sure they really get off with that, to experiment, test reactions, even to try to repress their urges for a while... What makes me hugely bothered is that I think if I play along, rather than just saying "I think that's sick", I might plant a seed that encourages the guy to think he might get away with it, after all, I didn't seem so shocked. It's possible that I'm being paranoid, and that maybe just one in a million of guys who ask for that kind of thing is really a pedophile. I just don't wanna spend the rest of my life wondering if that guy I helped to get off wasn't really a pedophile looking for some kind of reassurance.

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    I am very very very anti-thought police. I think criminalizing fantasy is a very dangerous thing as well. But to play devil's advocate, I am not sure I agree with the above.

    If a guy is an active pedophile for girls around age 10-14, and doesn't have continual access, it is very likely he looks on the net for extremely young looking models to role-play with when there is no actual 10-14 yr old girls available. I would assume there isn't an unending supply of underaged girls, or opportunity to molest them (thank heavens)...Wouldn't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    I have a question tho, whose answer I can't give yet to myself... In which point do you think fantasy/fetish stops and we start dealing with paraphilia/aka the sick stuff?
    I really can't answer this to myself, even. I (as most people) have fantasies that I never want to do in reality for various reasons, and I think we can't censor thought, nor try to. However...I find incest/pedophila creepy and uncomfortable even as fantasies and that's the reason why I just won't do it in my shows. I know some girls are okay with this sort of roleplay and it doesn't bother me, it's the question of what they feel comfortable doing. It's just something that crosses my personal boundaries and I NEED to steer away from that, regardless of the money. If I could get a regular who would spend thousand a month on me or more, but it would involve that, I couldn't do it. I need money, but I also need my sanity.

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    I beleive it becomes an issue , when you no longer think of it as a fantisy , more as need.

    Ex: You love porn , You watch porn and think about porn so much , where you cant get satisfaction ,without having porn involved.

    When it becomes a need , or obsession ,over just fantisy?
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    Hehe no worries Magnolia, I wrote that post kind of fast because I guess I was angry over feeling helpless about this problem. It's hard because when you hear about this kind of thing, you can't help but picture yourself in those situations. Sometimes when I start feeling too guilty about my privileged life I donate money to causes that help people in bad situations like this...I guess it's really the only thing I can do.

    That would be totally ridiculous to get paid in lower currencies! In fact I always feel bad for girls in the UK and EU who get paid in crappy US dollars because it almost doesn't make it worth it. I also hate the fact that sites like Imlive (dunno if Streamate does this) charges European customers in euros (not sure if they charge UK guys in pounds, I'll have to remember to ask next time). Anyway yeah, studios are such a ripoff. I'm guessing part of the reason they exist is because internet isn't too great in a lot of third world countries so maybe some girls really can't do it from home.

    And I definitely think your braces are bringing in a lot of creeps. Not sure how it is in your country, but in the US most people who have braces are 14-16 give or take so guys will associate it with being in high school. Hopefully you'll get less weirdos when you get them taken off.

    MistyRose I agree with you, you have to feel good about yourself. I'm a people-pleaser by nature and I admit that I have a hard time saying "no" when I'm being paid, but I'm getting better. Once I told a guy off in pvt for giving a girl a date rape drug and told him how horrible it would feel to have that done to you, he seemed to feel pretty guilty and said he wouldn't do it anymore, probably lying but I like to think there's a small chance I could've made a difference, haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    I have a question tho, whose answer I can't give yet to myself... In which point do you think fantasy/fetish stops and we start dealing with paraphilia/aka the sick stuff?
    When they bring in an actual child or unwilling person. Everything else is between consenting adults and no one should have the right to tell cosenting adults what they can think about while they masturbate.

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    There is a double edged sword here, and one thing that you have to consider is that there IS a legitimate reason for "studios" in SOME foreign countries. This is the "catch-22" though. because there is a legit purpose.

    See, in some countries, CAMMING is illegal, so the only way a girl can earn money camming is to work through a "Studio" who pays off the cops and other authorites. Also in many places internet that is of quality for webcam use is ONLY available at high cost in large city centers, so the vast majority of women can't get it.

    Now, I do not condone these studios either since they often pay pennies on the dollar they earn (which is often only 30%-35% of the real dollar thanks to SM) and so they use these women terribly. HOWEVER, for those women it is usually consensual, and they DO get paid much better than being receptionists or cashiers or whatever, in countries where those jobs are just not available. So these studios are a double edged sword. And many of them are almost indiscernible from the human trafficking studios, or are even shared within the same building. I did want to point out though, that it's a very tricky subject.

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    Another thing is, most of those girls cannot afford their own computers. That is why the Internet Cafes are so popular.

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    I'm a first-generation Filipina; this is, needless to say, a bit of a point of concern of mine. I'm mostly referring to Luzon -- the main island, where Manila is -- in this post
    This is going to end up being really long. I'm sorry; I'm drunk, tired, and had a hard day working my "clothed job."

    A bit of context: the Philippines has, essentially, served as Southeast Asia's "raping bag" for the better part of its history. I mean this in a really serious way, because it goes beyond a dismissive government and into more pervasive cultural roots. After being conquered by Spain, Catholic missionaries were sent to convert the indigenous people -- most of whom rejected the religion at first but eventually had no real say in the matter. This religious influence has led to one of the worst, worst, worst sexual ed. systems in the world. My grandmother was sixteen when she married my grandfather, a much older man. My grandfather had managed to convince her, after doing nothing more than stealing a kiss, that she'd fallen pregnant. She went on to bear seven children.

    There's both a reproductive ignorance and an obligatory Catholic strike against reproductive rights. I could go on for miles and miles, having been raised American, about how far behind we as Pinoys are in treating women. Admittedly, it's led to a lot of complexes I have as a dancer; my mother has always been a naturally beautiful woman, appearing exotic & foreign to Western men (among them, my father), which has over the years allowed her to live comfortably. Drawing the parallel between dancers and women like my mother -- both of whom make a living off of an attractive appearance -- often leaves me with a sense of guilt. My father, a cynical old Jewish ex-Air Force officer, took care to remind me that the only thing easier than being a hot chick was being a hot chick who actually knew what she was doing with life.

    But that's not really the point I was trying to make. I just needed to get it off my chest.

    The point I was trying to make is that the Philippines hasn't really grasped the concept of "reproductive rights." There are a whole fucking lot of us. I consider my family lucky because my mother & father met by happenstance, married, and a new opportunity was born. A lot of us got the chance to emigrate; others stayed behind and kept to farms & small businesses, receiving support from my mother. However, that sort of self-sustainable lifestyle is actually really, really difficult to accomplish in the third world. You'd be surprised. My grandmother actually worked as a seamstress in a sweatshop for a number of years before my parents met & married. And if you think the sex industry in Thailand has a reputation...

    The age of consent in the Philippines is twelve; the age of consent for prostitution is eighteen. That said, the definition of "prostitution" is blurred. Keeping in mind the fact that most women are wildly uneducated about the matters of sex before childbirth, it's definitely plausible for human rights to come into question. It's not really about malice, though; it's about money. If you mate a third-world economy with what I consider a deep social plague, there's a lot of room for exploitation. It stops being "I'm being mistreated, I'm being exploited, and I as a human have rights & dignity" and starts sounding more like "My family needs me."

    My mother -- like a lot of women who emigrate to the America from third-world countries, who seek opportunity and some semblance of a future -- has blossomed into, shall we say, a much more "enlightened, liberated, Americanized" woman of her time. She began using birth control after I was born, encouraged honesty rather than authority during my "coming-of-age." The thing of it is, you can never really completely abandon deeply-embedded traditional tendencies. I'd confided in her once about a friend of mine in high school whose stepfather was molesting her; her response was, "That makes sense; she always dressed like kind of a slut." This sort of caused a rift between us during my adolescence, after I was raped and could never let her find out for fear of evoking a sense of shame (I told my father later on and he agreed with my decision), but at the same time I bear a forgiveness for her because that's what we were raised with in the Philippines, and I'm just glad that I wasn't raised there for very long.

    Because, beyond the often-strong family ties relatives have with one another, it's not really an environment conducive to feminine safety.

    The question still exists, though: This is horrible; what do we do to help?

    I'd like to think I've tried to answer that question simply in relaying a firsthand account of culture. Knowing the origins of a problem always makes it easier to suggest a solution. Reproductive rights are human rights, just as female genital mutilation is becoming more widely recognized as a monstrosity rather than an accepted practice. It goes beyond women choosing whether or not to bear children and into women having the education & mental capacity to choose whether or not they should. Additionally, since so much of the issue revolves around poverty, checking into nonprofit organizations and charities which seek to send aid to third-world nations, particularly ones where the sex industry is exploitative, is a good call.

    But these are all part of the greater picture. What about the individuals? What about the girls whose faces really do show up on the screen? There do exist watchdog groups that seek to police the web, magazines, and black markets for human trafficking. There's also INTERPOL (the international police coalition). The issue gets trickier when you consider international vs. national law -- for example: mail-order bride magazines based out of Russia often recruit women from Belarus, but the Belarusian govt. can't really say anything because the companies aren't based in Belarus. I think I'll compose a list of relevant links tomorrow when I'm done working.

    This was probably a lot longer than anyone actually really wanted to read. Hell, it's four o'clock in the morning here, and ended up being a lot longer than I really wanted to write. However, taking my familial background into consideration brings me a real sense of redemption as a dancer in the first-world. It takes the bastardization away from something enjoyable & pleasurable, puts the experience back into my hands. To every "feminist" who has ever questioned whether or not we girls are doing this of free will & sound mind, the answer should be pretty fucking obvious after reading this:

    Yes, and I'm damn grateful.

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    That was an awesome post, extremely interesting glimpse into Filipina culture and history.

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    To every "feminist" who has ever questioned whether or not we girls are doing this of free will & sound mind, the answer should be pretty fucking obvious after reading this:

    Yes, and I'm damn grateful.
    and I second that! Definitely.

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    Wonderful, rich post. I was enthralled. Thank you for the cultural insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    That was an awesome post, extremely interesting glimpse into Filipina culture and history.



    and I second that! Definitely.
    An ex-boyfriend of mine and I used to fight over that all the damn time. He was a self-proclaimed feminist and loved to dole out so-called statistics about the majority of legitimate sex workers -- dancers, cam girls, adult actresses, etc. -- were victims of rape, abuse, incest, etc. and, therefore, could not make the decision to do sex work "in their right minds." I thought this was so abhorrently offensive and fucking disgusting of someone who claimed to have faith in women to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felons_Felony View Post
    An ex-boyfriend of mine and I used to fight over that all the damn time. He was a self-proclaimed feminist and loved to dole out so-called statistics about the majority of legitimate sex workers -- dancers, cam girls, adult actresses, etc. -- were victims of rape, abuse, incest, etc. and, therefore, could not make the decision to do sex work "in their right minds." I thought this was so abhorrently offensive and fucking disgusting of someone who claimed to have faith in women to say.
    That seems to be the mainstream view of sex workers of any type including cam hosts. I've been in this biz for years and from what I've seen, nothing could be further from the truth.

    Of course the media especially loves to dig and dig until they find *one* stereotypical sex worker among probably hundreds they had to go through to fit their preconceived ideas and say this is typical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by missmagnolia View Post
    Although I didn't think exactly this (but I should have), what I frequently wonder about that matter is whether guys who ask things like that aren't "proto-pedophiles" who might start their activities with, but not exclusively, camming. No one suddenly wakes up and think "hey, I think I wanna start molesting children today". They might try this kind of role play to make sure they really get off with that, to experiment, test reactions, even to try to repress their urges for a while... What makes me hugely bothered is that I think if I play along, rather than just saying "I think that's sick", I might plant a seed that encourages the guy to think he might get away with it, after all, I didn't seem so shocked. It's possible that I'm being paranoid, and that maybe just one in a million of guys who ask for that kind of thing is really a pedophile. I just don't wanna spend the rest of my life wondering if that guy I helped to get off wasn't really a pedophile looking for some kind of reassurance.

    I see what you mean missmagnolia, I'm should Pedophiles have to start somewhere just like serial killers start somewhere. No not all little boys that kill or hurt small animal when they are kids turned into serial killers, but some do. I think it's probally the same thing here, which is why I cant justify "punishing" them for this because you never know if it's just a fantasy and will always be just that and nothing more. I have some rather odd fantasies like others mentioned and when I was younger I really put myself down for having these feelings and would never want to actually have them happen to me in real life. I don't think many active pedolphiles would want to role play with a grown women, I think once they get to that stage theres no going back and theres no half way to satisfy their urges. I may be wrong though.

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    I'm a first-generation Filipina; this is, needless to say, a bit of a point of concern of mine. I'm mostly referring to Luzon -- the main island, where Manila is -- in this post
    This is going to end up being really long. I'm sorry; I'm drunk, tired, and had a hard day working my "clothed job."

    A bit of context: the Philippines has, essentially, served as Southeast Asia's "raping bag" for the better part of its history. I mean this in a really serious way, because it goes beyond a dismissive government and into more pervasive cultural roots. After being conquered by Spain, Catholic missionaries were sent to convert the indigenous people -- most of whom rejected the religion at first but eventually had no real say in the matter. This religious influence has led to one of the worst, worst, worst sexual ed. systems in the world. My grandmother was sixteen when she married my grandfather, a much older man. My grandfather had managed to convince her, after doing nothing more than stealing a kiss, that she'd fallen pregnant. She went on to bear seven children.

    There's both a reproductive ignorance and an obligatory Catholic strike against reproductive rights. I could go on for miles and miles, having been raised American, about how far behind we as Pinoys are in treating women. Admittedly, it's led to a lot of complexes I have as a dancer; my mother has always been a naturally beautiful woman, appearing exotic & foreign to Western men (among them, my father), which has over the years allowed her to live comfortably. Drawing the parallel between dancers and women like my mother -- both of whom make a living off of an attractive appearance -- often leaves me with a sense of guilt. My father, a cynical old Jewish ex-Air Force officer, took care to remind me that the only thing easier than being a hot chick was being a hot chick who actually knew what she was doing with life.

    But that's not really the point I was trying to make. I just needed to get it off my chest.

    The point I was trying to make is that the Philippines hasn't really grasped the concept of "reproductive rights." There are a whole fucking lot of us. I consider my family lucky because my mother & father met by happenstance, married, and a new opportunity was born. A lot of us got the chance to emigrate; others stayed behind and kept to farms & small businesses, receiving support from my mother. However, that sort of self-sustainable lifestyle is actually really, really difficult to accomplish in the third world. You'd be surprised. My grandmother actually worked as a seamstress in a sweatshop for a number of years before my parents met & married. And if you think the sex industry in Thailand has a reputation...

    The age of consent in the Philippines is twelve; the age of consent for prostitution is eighteen. That said, the definition of "prostitution" is blurred. Keeping in mind the fact that most women are wildly uneducated about the matters of sex before childbirth, it's definitely plausible for human rights to come into question. It's not really about malice, though; it's about money. If you mate a third-world economy with what I consider a deep social plague, there's a lot of room for exploitation. It stops being "I'm being mistreated, I'm being exploited, and I as a human have rights & dignity" and starts sounding more like "My family needs me."

    My mother -- like a lot of women who emigrate to the America from third-world countries, who seek opportunity and some semblance of a future -- has blossomed into, shall we say, a much more "enlightened, liberated, Americanized" woman of her time. She began using birth control after I was born, encouraged honesty rather than authority during my "coming-of-age." The thing of it is, you can never really completely abandon deeply-embedded traditional tendencies. I'd confided in her once about a friend of mine in high school whose stepfather was molesting her; her response was, "That makes sense; she always dressed like kind of a slut." This sort of caused a rift between us during my adolescence, after I was raped and could never let her find out for fear of evoking a sense of shame (I told my father later on and he agreed with my decision), but at the same time I bear a forgiveness for her because that's what we were raised with in the Philippines, and I'm just glad that I wasn't raised there for very long.

    Because, beyond the often-strong family ties relatives have with one another, it's not really an environment conducive to feminine safety.

    The question still exists, though: This is horrible; what do we do to help?

    I'd like to think I've tried to answer that question simply in relaying a firsthand account of culture. Knowing the origins of a problem always makes it easier to suggest a solution. Reproductive rights are human rights, just as female genital mutilation is becoming more widely recognized as a monstrosity rather than an accepted practice. It goes beyond women choosing whether or not to bear children and into women having the education & mental capacity to choose whether or not they should. Additionally, since so much of the issue revolves around poverty, checking into nonprofit organizations and charities which seek to send aid to third-world nations, particularly ones where the sex industry is exploitative, is a good call.

    But these are all part of the greater picture. What about the individuals? What about the girls whose faces really do show up on the screen? There do exist watchdog groups that seek to police the web, magazines, and black markets for human trafficking. There's also INTERPOL (the international police coalition). The issue gets trickier when you consider international vs. national law -- for example: mail-order bride magazines based out of Russia often recruit women from Belarus, but the Belarusian govt. can't really say anything because the companies aren't based in Belarus. I think I'll compose a list of relevant links tomorrow when I'm done working.

    This was probably a lot longer than anyone actually really wanted to read. Hell, it's four o'clock in the morning here, and ended up being a lot longer than I really wanted to write. However, taking my familial background into consideration brings me a real sense of redemption as a dancer in the first-world. It takes the bastardization away from something enjoyable & pleasurable, puts the experience back into my hands. To every "feminist" who has ever questioned whether or not we girls are doing this of free will & sound mind, the answer should be pretty fucking obvious after reading this:

    Yes, and I'm damn grateful.

    Thank you so much, very good post I have to admit though it makes me sad and feel a bit hopeless, from what I've read about other poor sisations in foreign countries, Iraq for example when something is grained into the people and it becomes the norm for them it makes it very very difficult to change things. Like your mother for example, even after changing her veiws a lot and living in america still had some veiws that would probally never change. I am very ahppy you're here and not there I'm sure there are some good points of the phillipines but waht a distorted veiw on human rights and everything else.

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    i understand where you are coming from bamb.

    maybe i shouldn't pay my taxes cause I know that money is used to help fill politicians pockets and fund wars.

    If you buy anything non organic you are helping to support Monsantos(http://organicconsumers.org/monsanto/crimes.cfm) crazy fucked up business practices which affect farmers as well as your health. FUCK GMO lol

    If you buy gas -you're fucking the environment. etccc

    the list is endless
    and yes I hate streamate and all big box pimps.

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    Great thread ladies .. Thank you. I have learned of lots of new information about the studios in the Philippines reading you here. Bambalina requested that I mention some of the resources already available on the CGN Forum might prove helpful for your research.. So I will. The reading rooms are pretty easy to navigate and have been used by my own Poli Sci students to good effect.
    First: We have a map and list of Adult Video Chat studio locations in the CGN Reading room in my Preliminary Research findings here: http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/i...hp?showtopic=5
    If you look at the Philippines what immediately leaps out at you is the fact that most of the Studios in and around Manila are located in the areas that used to cater to the US Military when we had bases at Subic Bay and then were re-deployed to attract sex tourists from Australia and Western Europe once the bases were closed..So already this is sort of red warning flag going up....
    We have had several Filipina models members and two studio owners posting over the past year.
    You can find their posts in "The Situation in Asia" in our Reading Room.
    What the Filipina Myumi says in her responses to my questionnaire are especially relevant. She admits to being underage (15) when she started camming in an adult studio.
    http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/i...25&#entry11748
    And this seems pretty common in the Philippine studios. But at the same time: She; Dragon and Camsculptor all claim that camming is an alternative to actual street prostitution; a gate way out of- rather than a portal going into - real time sex work. You can find some of their posts in this thread.
    http://camgirlnotes.15.forumer.com/i...showtopic=1768
    then to see the rest click on their member name and see all posts made by this member.

    I have heard pretty much the same thing from countries like Moldavia or the Ukraine - that the cam studios are an alternative to the economic emigration overseas that makes you vulnerable to being trafficked. or an alternative to actually catering to sex tourists in cities like Bucharest, Kyif or Odessa.. Ofc, now that some studios in Romania and lots of independent models are raffling off "dates" and weekends" with customers on MFC, this claim is subject to challenge but in general I think that it still stands true that camming is a way of staying in your home country and in school without actually having some stranger in your room - or more to the point actually coming inside you...If your research can establish something different I will be mighty interested and very appreciative if you share it here.

    There are lots more reports and posts on trafficking issues in Eastern Europe, Latin America and the Russias that can be found in the different "Country reports" in that same section. They are all titled "The Situation in XXX"

    BTW, I know we have a terrible reputation on this board, but for what it's worth I promise that no angry or creepy "hobbyists" are lying in ambush for you on CGN - at least in the Reading Rooms of the forum..lol
    Anybody can access that part of the forum as a guest and copy or print out any posts that you think are relevant.

    Good luck and Happy Hunting
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    Quote Originally Posted by xxxevexxx View Post
    I see what you mean missmagnolia, I'm should Pedophiles have to start somewhere just like serial killers start somewhere. No not all little boys that kill or hurt small animal when they are kids turned into serial killers, but some do. I think it's probally the same thing here, which is why I cant justify "punishing" them for this because you never know if it's just a fantasy and will always be just that and nothing more. I have some rather odd fantasies like others mentioned and when I was younger I really put myself down for having these feelings and would never want to actually have them happen to me in real life. I don't think many active pedolphiles would want to role play with a grown women, I think once they get to that stage theres no going back and theres no half way to satisfy their urges. I may be wrong though.
    Something that comes to mind is the nature of BDSM. Do people exist who use D&S roleplaying as a stepping stone for less-consensual acts of sadism? Probably, but there's a difference.

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