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    I thought ied share a little travia with you. Hopefully some new girls are lurking , and get this. Im also making a website souly to helping new girls , Talking about every serious part of this business , From both the mental aspect , to the legal aspect.
    I hope you all will be a part of that with me.

    Ive been going over forms for days , though i read them when i orriganly signed them, I didnt really really LESTEN to what its saying , just kinda agreeing, I regret that now.

    We will start with the Big Daddy, Streamate.

    1.I agree to give Streamates a perpetual license to use any content that i produce and submit to stremates and its computer systems in the marketing, advertising, promotions, or sales of any products or services of streamates, affiliates or agents on the internet.
    This has been discussed before , But it means , Not only they , but they , and their affiliates , or agents , can resell anything you do on their website. Shows Pics , Anything.



    2.I warrant that i have carefully read and understood that that this form (and attached I.D) Is a legal document and may affect my legal rights , and sign the Form and submit the I.D. to streamates knowingly and voluntarily, without inducement and for valid consideration.
    Aka, You can sue them.

    3. I like this.
    Nothing in this agreement will be constituted as creating a partner ship or joint venture between the parties, or making either party a employee of the other, and at all times , model shall have no authority to make any representations or warranties on behalf of the company or agency.
    We arnt there employees , we have no say in this business , and we are their bitch.

    4.Model will be soulfully responsible for the media
    We make it , they sell it.

    HERES A GOOD ONE!
    5. MODEL AGREES THERE WILL BE NO NUDITY IN ANY DESIGNATED FREE AREAS. APPROPRIATE LINGERIE SHALL BE WORN AT ALL TIMES IN SUCH DESIGNATED AREAS, LINGERIE CAN ALSO BE WORK IN FREE, SEMI, AND NUDE CHAT AREA.
    Aka , they are breaking the law when they ignore this.

    See what you can make of it , Ill post more on here and the site later.
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    I read most things but its just in my nature.

    Number 1, its business

    Number 2 I dont know what you can sue them for. Its to say you give them permission to look at your ID and your not drunk or under the influence of other mind altering substances.

    Number 3 means your self employed just, which we all are.

    Number 4, SM cant make the content for you or send you out to film sets,photo sets etc. Its up to you to provide content.

    Number 5, they break the contract when they dont enforce this. But they can only enforce it when they see it or by an authorised agent. Similar to when people speed in cars. others may see it but only a police officer can do anything about it and its against the law (probably) for an officer not to stop you if you break the speed limit but he still has to see you do it.

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    Yes, But their should be monitors , just like theirs multiple police officers. Not one guy you email and he ignores it because its good for his business. they want to run this like a business , and except us to follow their rules , i expect the same from them. And as far as being self employed , they claim the money i make them in their over all tax applications.


    They will let things pass , To benefit them, and its starting to get out of control.
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    You signed THIS:


    From the date of execution of this General Release and Authorization, the undersigned hereto does hereby grant, release and assign to Producer any and all claims of right whatsoever in and to all photographs or printed materials of the undersigned or by the undersigned and delivered to Producer for any purpose chosen by Producer.
    From execution hereto and for value received and acknowledged below by model Producer shall exclusively and irrevocably own in perpetuity all right, title and interest, including copyright, in and to the digitized photographs, reproductions, video and any digitized printed material of the undersigned with no rights expressly reserved by the model. Model also grants Producer and its designees the right to use her name, likeness, image voice, appearance, and performance as embodied in the Product whether recorded on or transferred to videotape, film, slides, photographs, audio tapes, or other media, now known or later developed. This grant includes without limitation the right to edit, mix or duplicate and to use or re-use the Product in whole or part as Producer may elect. Producer or its designee shall have complete ownership of the Product in which model appears, including copyright interests, and model acknowledges that she has no interest or ownership in the Product or its copyright.

    REALLY think about that...if you REALLY think about that...I mean for REAL...you will NEVER go on Streamate again. Period. Or if you do, then you just don't care....

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    I think about how I sign things every day that wouldn't hold up in court.

    Let Streamy try to put out my sexy DVD with all my queefs. I'm takin' 'em down!

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    bun, generally true, but the content and copyright stuff DOES generally hold up in court...because they aren't limiting liability but asking you to sign away a voluntary process.

    I'd love to hear a quicky on this by Michael, but I know when that one chick fucked Tiger, they released her Privates on DVD even though she was only camgirl for like a month...and it was few years before and she tried to block it and I am pretty sure the court sided with the company with the signed paper saying they OWN that private...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyFlame View Post
    Yes, But their should be monitors , just like theirs multiple police officers. Not one guy you email and he ignores it because its good for his business. they want to run this like a business , and except us to follow their rules , i expect the same from them. And as far as being self employed , they claim the money i make them in their over all tax applications.


    They will let things pass , To benefit them, and its starting to get out of control.
    But you are self employed and thats what a business does, claim taxes.

    It would be very hard to prove the company is ignoring emails/rule breaking. As you cannot be standing over a mods shoulder when he see's something and doesnt respond.


    B: If people read most contracts they wouldnt sign them. Nearly all contracts have entries that heavily side in the companies favour. SM is no different. The good thing is people have choice. Plenty of other cam companies on the net so if you dont like one then you can go to the next. Alot of people know what SM get up to and still stay with them, its only a minority that dis-approves of them here.
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    But , When the whole front page is nude women , i think its time for them to step up there "rule" game.

    Its getting a bit out of hand, as for when i signed up i was under the impression that this was a "No nude in free" site , and when it gets to the point that you have to do it just to get ANY traffic , its out of hand.

    Ohh and about their "Mods"
    Shish , if there going to suspend girls for going afk for half a sec , and they can catch that , they better damn well be watching the other girls using there toys in free.
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    I myself will start screwing them the way the blaitently screw me , Including useing them to drive traffic to my website.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BuffyFlame View Post
    I myself will start screwing them the way the blaitently screw me , Including useing them to drive traffic to my website.

    This is perfect. Use the companies anyway you can to gain more for yourself. Instead of using energy and time in a negative way, use it to grow your business and become successful. You are in control of your life, dont let them distract you.


    Edit: Spending days reading a contract isnt going to benefit your bank balance much. The clock is ticking for all of us, use your time as best you can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    But you are self employed and thats what a business does, claim taxes.

    It would be very hard to prove the company is ignoring emails/rule breaking. As you cannot be standing over a mods shoulder when he see's something and doesnt respond.


    B: If people read most contracts they wouldnt sign them. Nearly all contracts have entries that heavily side in the companies favour. SM is no different. The good thing is people have choice. Plenty of other cam companies on the net so if you dont like one then you can go to the next. Alot of people know what SM get up to and still stay with them, its only a minority that dis-approves of them here.
    Something terrifyingly true about that !

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    B: If people read most contracts they wouldnt sign them. Nearly all contracts have entries that heavily side in the companies favour. SM is no different. The good thing is people have choice. Plenty of other cam companies on the net so if you dont like one then you can go to the next. Alot of people know what SM get up to and still stay with them, its only a minority that dis-approves of them here.
    Absolutely true. However, as you know, if you've ever read the contract from MFC, it contains most of the same language and in some cases even scarier...however the difference is, that MFC can be said to have put in this language to protect themselves, but never (thusfar) intended to actually use those clauses...Whiole Streamate is known to consider themselves owners of you privates and that selling them is fine, putting them up free on tubesites is fine...etc.

    And I agree also about people's apathy toward the terrible practices of SM...this however doesn't change a thing about the reality of those practices and the karma of those who support it...it's also better to KNOW what you're doing than to go in blind...

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    ::screeching to a halt::

    Wait, what's the Tiger / Stream / DVD story?!?! That sounds out.fucking.rageous. Although, sigh, frankly not very surprising.

    Right about now I'm really thanking my lucky stars that I found this godsend-of-a-forum & listened to y'all re: staying the fuck away from Stream.

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    I'm not sure of the details of the Tiger one, but definitely Michelle McGee worked for OnHerCam and got outed...the one who boned Jesse James and broke up him and Sandra Bullock...Well, she worked for 2 weeks for OnHerCam and they released her privates and chat transcripts as well...so much for NOT saving stuff....

    Story here:

    This stuff has happened before and will happen again...I think I've read at least 4 or 5 stories like this over the years...

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    Wow. I'm definitely gonna do some more reading into this. The only place aside from AW that I've spent any significant (read: naked) amount of time on is LiveJasmin (don't worry--the instant I met minimum cashout I was G.O.N.E.). These contracts are amazing. Truly. I am with you: we can and MUST do better. They are empowered to take so much from us because we don't know that WE are empowered to say no!

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    You will be saying alot of no's then. I dont think this industry or being self employed is for everyone.

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    they damn sure did do that to that girl from OHC... that was sick as hell!

    They threw her under the bus for MONEY, and care NOTHING about how that would affect her personal life....

    it was said " well she shouldnt have did that" - or something to that nature... WHOA

    first i love indy, then i hate it.... but i think I love it again..amen?

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    Damn her tats are so hot! She got run over a LOT in that entire thing though. I think if I got that much bad publicity I would at least write a bestseller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    You will be saying alot of no's then. I dont think this industry or being self employed is for everyone.

    ...I'm confused. Since when is saying "no" to something you're not comfortable with a bad thing? Since when is rallying for better working conditions a bad thing?

    I've been self-employed my entire working life, and in this industry in and out since I was legal (7 years). I also have very, very little that I regret--and nothing that I regret when it comes to the sex work I've done, save for the month I was on LJ. But I picked up and left, because that shit was not doing it for me, either emotionally OR (more importantly at the moment) financially.

    I've found I not only make more money when I'm setting limits I'm comfortable with, but I also SPEND less money on therapy. HA.

    Kidding. Sort of. No, but seriously, I have no problem saying no, and was always taught that it took a lot of guts to say no. And guts are what I think a business-minded lady needs IN PLENTY. How else could I possibly set myself apart in a sea of beautiful naked ladies? How else to survive the notorious sex worker burnout syndrome? No, I plan on staying here for some time, and if I'm going to stay here AND stay sane, I'ma need to lace up my cleats and dig in.

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    This...and more...^^^^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexandgrammar View Post
    ...I'm confused. Since when is saying "no" to something you're not comfortable with a bad thing? Since when is rallying for better working conditions a bad thing?
    I have yet to find ANY major cam site with a contract that doesn't have these major loopholes, so if you are signed up with any of them, you really have said yes to a lot of these things.

    I think it is possible to change things and I think we should all band together to do so, however at the moment I don't see any viable alternative other than the major cam sites for myself. I am really hoping that changes soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexandgrammar View Post
    ...I'm confused. Since when is saying "no" to something you're not comfortable with a bad thing? Since when is rallying for better working conditions a bad thing?
    Yes you must be confused, I didnt mention saying no was a bad thing or rallying for better conditions a bad thing. Best read, then re-read my posts before quoting me again.



    Nearly all contracts will have something we dont fully agree with so if you want to be picky you will be saying no alot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    Yes you must be confused, I didnt mention saying no was a bad thing or rallying for better conditions a bad thing. Best read, then re-read my posts before quoting me again.

    That sounds like a threat.

    And "I don't think this industry or being self employed is for everyone" sounded like a very backhanded insult.

    Correct me if I'm wrong; I'm here to learn. But I'm also a big girl, & don't take kindly to people telling me, passive-aggressively, that I'm in the wrong biz.

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    I didnt actually say your in the wrong business, read it as you want.

    We are all self employed with the options to go where we like, who are you rallying for better work conditions against? You are your own boss (rallying against yourself?). If you dont like a site then move on to another. Is there much point trying to change sm/others when you can just make your own site these days (go indy?)or leave the site, no-one is forcing anyone to use a specific site. Alot of threads lately have been focused on "moaning" and not the actual goal, our bank balances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    I didnt actually say your in the wrong business, read it as you want.
    Okay, my mistake. Horrible headache & maybe that's making me testy--but that's no excuse. I'm sorry for misreading you!

    Quote Originally Posted by PrincessJenny View Post
    If you dont like a site then move on to another. Is there much point trying to change sm/others when you can just make your own site these days (go indy?)or leave the site, no-one is forcing anyone to use a specific site.
    I couldn't agree more. Believe you me, I've steered farrrrrrr away from MFC, SM, & the others. Like I wrote above, my only regret is spending a month on LJ.

    At the moment, I'm only on AW, & it is working very nearly perfectly for me. I like the contract, I like the support, I like the clientele--and I lovvvve the pound-dollar conversion

    When I speak about rallying "against" anyone, then, I'm not speaking personally, or currently, but towards the sort of united front that Bamb has been talking about--and spearheading!

    I'm quite happy on AW--but I'm not so brash as to think that will necessarily last. (Resting on my laurels seems like a quick trip towards being out of work with no back-up.) And I'm also constantly saddened & angered when I read other girls on here posting about the ridiculousness they go through with SM, MFC, LJ and others.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all about getting my money. But I really am not able to do so in entirely good conscience when I hear about the shit that goes down elsewhere. Which is one of the reasons I respect you, and everything you've done for camgirls, so much, PrincessJenny! And I know there is lots more we can do, as a group, like this, that is innovative, and puts our best interests in mind, all the while never keeping our gaze off the bottom line: moolah, and a fair amount of it.

    Speaking of which...

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