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    Default 5 things. Part 2. The OTHER side.

    So, we're going to have a huge list of stuff that camgirls want in the perfect website. Yet is we are to build the perfect website, it is pretty obvious to me, that doing even 75% of the stuff listed would NEVER work for a "for-profit" company...however we will be able to fit MORE into a co-op, because operating expenses will be lower.

    So, now I'm asking as owners to answer these 5 questions..remember, you are the owners of this camsite.

    1. What percentage of gross income goes for the promotion of the site? Remember, this will DIRECTLY decide the quality and quantity of traffic.

    2. Your cam site will be severely limited in growth if the policy is "NO guests or registered FREE traffic"..ie. it is 50% likely to cause failure if you force all traffic to input credit card before checking out the system. But Guest traffic doesn't make cam girls happy. At what point will you abandon the plan for ONLY credit card registered users? I mean, as a webmaster, i can tell you this will SEVERELY curtail growth, which is why I ask.

    3. The ability to truly be free to offer the camroom you want to offer sounds wonderful to me. However, I fear that to curtail ANY of the choices a camgirl would make, on a co-op site would be unfair. I mean if a girl can choose to be 100% private only and offer NO open chat, then on the other end of the spectrum, do we also allow FULL shows in Free Chat if THAT is your style? Or do we put limits at BOTH ends so there is more fair middle ground? Will models who do group/private only be viable when there is open shows allowed?

    3a. The corollary question here. What makes the choice for group/private, or clothed only in free the most viable for you, if that is the case? I mean, there are many shades of gray, so we must have a policy for free chat. Can a girl do a tasteful striptease on her stripper pole if she so chooses? Can she flash for tips? Can she do a topless show if she so chooses? If Yes, state why you think that is acceptable if you can, and if no, why is your idea of what is acceptable in camming more valid than a girl who treats it more as a stripper would?

    (I was thinking about this, and if it is true that a girl banging pussy in open chat is taking money away from you in any way, ala MFC, then all of you who show ANYTHING in public, OR private are taking away from MissEgo...and I never see her complain...So, should it be that camgirls have a right to decide ANYTHING about the nature of other camgirls shows on the site YOU own...and of so, what gives them that right?)

    4. If we're giving them (those dirty camgirl fuckers, want goddamn EVERYTHING!) the perfect camsite, what is our plan to still be viable, make enough money to survive, pay hosting, promote, pay employees, etc. So, what are we actually going to pay these ladies and how can you justify it and still stay in business? Do we pay less at the beginning when we need MUCH more of the actual money coming in? Will those nasty camgirls accept that?

    5. What do you want to MAKE sure gets in, even if it costs us extra percentage points off their take? What are your absolute musts to make sure this site stands out for camgirls AND customers? (this is the opposite in a sense from the previous of the dream, but what really HAS to be there to make this special for you?

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    Default Re: 5 things. Part 2. The OTHER side.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    2. Your cam site will be severely limited in growth if the policy is "NO guests or registered FREE traffic"..ie. it is 50% likely to cause failure if you force all traffic to input credit card before checking out the system. But Guest traffic doesn't make cam girls happy. At what point will you abandon the plan for ONLY credit card registered users? I mean, as a webmaster, i can tell you this will SEVERELY curtail growth, which is why I ask.
    I should rephrase the statement I made about free guest traffic. The freebie guests are there on the-huge-site-that-must-not-be-named *wink*, and they can watch video, however they can not interact with a host until they register. Also they can only watch for a period of time until it kicks them out of free vid and plunks them down into a registration form, which seems to be working brilliantly for that site.

    On a similar site, guests are allowed free reign and I can not count the times where I have had regulars run off and their moods ruined by idiots begging for freebies. It cuts down the time that I am live on that site due to constant irritation from these guys who freely admit they have no credit card and/or no intention of buying, ever.

    Let them watch for a time, get a nice teaser of what hosts are available live and get them wanting to chat with us, but don't let them type a word until they register.

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    Default Re: 5 things. Part 2. The OTHER side.

    Every model mI have ever promoted on MFC had the same first instruction from me...MUTE Guests, and MUTE Basics..The WHOLE time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post

    1. What percentage of gross income goes for the promotion of the site? Remember, this will DIRECTLY decide the quality and quantity of traffic.
    20%. When you think about how LJ and SM get their traffic, isn't that by spamming the hell out of tube sites with pop-ups and posting mirror sites? I'm naive about these things, but there are better, more cost-effective ways, surely. It's become a really popular joke as of late, actually.

    2. Your cam site will be severely limited in growth if the policy is "NO guests or registered FREE traffic"..ie. it is 50% likely to cause failure if you force all traffic to input credit card before checking out the system. But Guest traffic doesn't make cam girls happy. At what point will you abandon the plan for ONLY credit card registered users? I mean, as a webmaster, i can tell you this will SEVERELY curtail growth, which is why I ask.
    Pretty much what laurielegs said. It's still flawed slightly. I would also implement something like what AW has and let the host set chit-chat times and auto-kick users when that time is up. I think that would be perfect then. Pay-up or shut up.


    3. The ability to truly be free to offer the camroom you want to offer sounds wonderful to me. However, I fear that to curtail ANY of the choices a camgirl would make, on a co-op site would be unfair. I mean if a girl can choose to be 100% private only and offer NO open chat, then on the other end of the spectrum, do we also allow FULL shows in Free Chat if THAT is your style? Or do we put limits at BOTH ends so there is more fair middle ground? Will models who do group/private only be viable when there is open shows allowed?
    I must say, that the freedom to do what one wants on MFC is pretty awesome. But there definitely should be limits. Perhaps no nudity below the waist and put a limit of how long/often someone can set themselves to private only? Just to even the playing field a bit, but then no one said this business was fair...


    3a. The corollary question here. What makes the choice for group/private, or clothed only in free the most viable for you, if that is the case? I mean, there are many shades of gray, so we must have a policy for free chat. Can a girl do a tasteful striptease on her stripper pole if she so chooses? Can she flash for tips? Can she do a topless show if she so chooses? If Yes, state why you think that is acceptable if you can, and if no, why is your idea of what is acceptable in camming more valid than a girl who treats it more as a stripper would?
    Hmmm, this question confuses me a bit, but then I'm running on E sleep-wise. Errr, public tease with no nudity below the waist would be cool. If she wants to keep her top on and flash for tips, that's awesome too. But you should always leave them wanting. My opinion on that isn't more valid than any other, but if you give it all away for free, what have you got left to sell? That's what drew me to camming, the tease aspect and "rewarding" the person who knew he wanted the prize and acted accordingly.


    (I was thinking about this, and if it is true that a girl banging pussy in open chat is taking money away from you in any way, ala MFC, then all of you who show ANYTHING in public, OR private are taking away from MissEgo...and I never see her complain...So, should it be that camgirls have a right to decide ANYTHING about the nature of other camgirls shows on the site YOU own...and of so, what gives them that right?)
    Ah, but see on MFC, MissEgo is a rarity and smart as a whip so finding her niche was a no-brainer on her part. In a world full of titties and vagina, she's unique. She inspired me to try non-nude in public for a couple of days and althought it was quiet, I still hit my marks in record time. Honestly, I don't have any problem with girls masturbating in public. Have at it. It's just A.) MFC's attitude about it where they won't either enforce their own silly rule all-around or erase it and B.) The patron's attitudes about it. It's a vicious circle that feeds a models' desperation and the members' greed because they feel like because the last 5 girls they watched fucked vacuums, that girl 6 should do the same. It's hard to explain from my POV why public shows on MFC bother me but don't at all on SV. I think mainly because SV gave the greenlight for hardcore, but it's not ANYTHING GOES. They still have boundaries and I like that. I think it's needed.

    4. If we're giving them (those dirty camgirl fuckers, want goddamn EVERYTHING!) the perfect camsite, what is our plan to still be viable, make enough money to survive, pay hosting, promote, pay employees, etc. So, what are we actually going to pay these ladies and how can you justify it and still stay in business? Do we pay less at the beginning when we need MUCH more of the actual money coming in? Will those nasty camgirls accept that?
    Honestly, I think a fair rate for a network site is 50/50. They bring the traffic, perform admin work, process the payments, etc. But to be honest, I don't know shit about business start-up costs on such a scale but there are new networks popping up weekly. Will they be viable in the long run? Only time will tell. They have heavy competition. But I know one thing that's helping SV out is a site owner that communicates directly and is patient and that's building faith in the models who are on their consistently which in turn helps the site. It's all about morale. I know of 2 girls for sure who've sworn off MFC and switched and they haven't regretted it.

    Basically, yeah, if you wanted to start of with a lower pay rate and then raise it depending on the success rate (bonuses to the beta models?), as long as you listen to your models' suggestions and keep their needs in mind, it seems like crashing and burning is unlikely. I haven't been camming long, but I've yet to see someone who treats the models the way Kathleen at SV does. She listens and is receptive to what they think would be an improvement. No canned responses. No attitude. Really simple, but it seems to work.


    5. What do you want to MAKE sure gets in, even if it costs us extra percentage points off their take? What are your absolute musts to make sure this site stands out for camgirls AND customers? (this is the opposite in a sense from the previous of the dream, but what really HAS to be there to make this special for you?

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    No studios and perhaps a few mods to make sure every girl is performing to the best of her ability. This doesn't mean if girl 1 doesn't pole dance that she has to, but LIGHTING, SOUND, CLEAN SURROUNDINGS, CLEAR CAM FEED, DOESN'T LOOK SLOPPY, PLAYS MUSIC AT AN ACCEPTABLE VOLUME. I mean, imagine a camsite where every model had these things straight. Quality, quality all around.

    But I'm probably being a bit tyrannical there.

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    Aww shucks Thanks ladies!

    1. I agree with the 20% going towards promotion. If there's no traffic, none of us are making any money. 20% of the site's income, right off the top, should go straight to ensuring those damn camgirls get traffic

    2. I like laurielegs' idea on the free stream for a limited time, and then being directed to a registration form. I can honestly say though, I've seen a girl who was talking to a guest in her room on mfc, and he was asking her to do all these things, and she said "How about you sign up as a premium first, get some tokens, then come back and take me private? Then I'll be able to do all the things you're asking me to do!" She even sent him her baf link. I shit you not, he signed up and took her private for half an hour.
    I can see all the sides of the "free guests/basics" argument, so whatever anyone else's thoughts are on the matter, I'll go with.

    3. I think, just from reading posts on SW, every single one of us has a different hustle and cam style. While someone may rock the sex kitten persona in private, someone else may be sweet and bubbly in free chat, and so on. Putting restrictions on what is / isn't allowed in shows might restrict the models signing up on the site, which would be not good, right? Having the choice to run her own show the way she wants is important (and, let's face it, pretty much essential, no?). HOWEVER... I can see how that would be confusing to guys. On MFC, for example, a guy can go from my (sweet and wholesome ) room where I'm baking vegan cookies to another girl's room where she is fisting her ass. No offense to the women who do that in their shows, I'm just pointing out that it is very very different from mine. I posted on CGU that maybe this epic camsite could have categories for the models, such as "non-nude", "topless", etc? I have ZERO experience on sites like that, so I'd love to hear if other girls think it sucks or is awesome, but I think it'd be a good way for guys to go straight to the area they want to see. It annoys the HELL out of me when random guys show up in my room demanding dp toys in free, when I'm clearly in the middle of doing the dishes.
    Guys know what they want to see, which is why I don't think models who do/show more than me are taking money away from me. If you go to the mall looking for shoes to go with your new dress, are you going to look around until you find the pair you want? Or are you going to say "Fuck it, I'll just get these lime green wedges"? (okay, shoe addicts, you'll do all of the above, but just play along for a minute). If the guy wants to watch a girl fist her ass, he's going to find her on the site. If a guy wants to "get to know" a girl and chat and hang out, he's going to find me, you know?

    4. I like the idea of starting off paying girls, say, 65%, and increasing payout percentage depending on the amount they make. I'm not sure how viable that is, but it seems like a good idea at the moment.

    5. I'll get back to you on this one. This post is probably too long as it is!


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    You are right MissEgo, a site with a lack of categories makes it very difficult to a member to find what he is looking for and puts those models who do offer specialties at a disadvantage. I'm positive that is one of the reasons I did so poorly on MFC: I was lumped in with everyone else. The fetish guys are forced to go through all the different models pages looking for their kink and half the models have nothing at all on their profiles clueing guys in to what they will or will not do. Unless I spent countless (and penniless) hours on there, I would never have the chance to build up a good amount of regulars. Not all models can spend 20+ hours a week camming. Some of us have 10-12 maybe, if I'm lucky..I want to go somewhere where I can be found and make consistent money! I'm not greedy...$30 to $50 an hour is satisfactory to me and it's realistic. Anything above and beyond that is a blessing but not expected.

    On my other sites, I'm in a category. They know where to find me. I have traffic, plenty of privates. I don't have to work my ass off to get a show nor am I expected to perform a certain way because that is what is making all the other models money. The viewers on MFC are VERY spoiled and it shows when you talk to them. I mean.." Why pay for the milk when you can have the cow for free? "

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    So categories are getting a definite thumbs up...am I getting that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    So categories are getting a definite thumbs up...am I getting that?

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    Definitely I believe categories are helpful both to hosts who want to target a particular fetish or market and to viewers who are looking for something specific.

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    1. Categories . MFC really missed the bar with this one I agree with you on this kittykrane.
    2. Percentage payout 70% or better and I agree that it should go up depending on the models' performance.
    3. Real Mods. People that check out the site and see if the members are keeping to the rules. I often see the child pedos, and rape guys will take me private and I have to jump in and say sorry can't do that. When you can see that based on their score , they have done this with other models. There should be a 2 strikes rule on this. Once a slap on the writs and twice acct removal and ban.
    4 Blocks should keep the customer out of your room for a minimum of 6-8 months. not 6hrs as MFC has it. To me what's the point in trying to remember who you banned knowing that the name will not be in that list the next time you log in.
    5 Phone option on cam sites with an extention. Sites should have an option for a member to call you at a per minute price and it should be advertised on your profile like any other feature you offer. On many sites it's a hidden feature that a guy has to hunt for. I feel they need to promote this as much as webcamming. They would be surprised how many guys that are too cheap to spend money on a show, but if they saw you for a moment atleast, they would likely want to spend money hearing your voice over the phone. This would also give those ( pedo creepy types the ability to discuss their thoughts without pushing for it in a show)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    So categories are getting a definite thumbs up...am I getting that?

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    Yes, 100%!!!!! Whether they be looking for: mature, milf, BBW, young & hot, goth, tranny, couple, 2girls, Domination/BDSM....make it easy for the guests to find what they are looking for and easier for the models to be seen. It gives a fairer chance because generally, the top gals are always going to be the ones being promoted. At least let others have a chance to be at the top of their category.

    I do like a straight phone sex option too, but they need to purchase a block for that and we get the whole amount whether they hang up or not. I don't want to do a lousy 2 min phone call cos some guy is too cheap, just like camming. I worked for a NO TABOO phone sex line and there were pedo types, bestiality types, etc... REALLY freaky stuff that you can (and personally wouldn't want to do on cam)....I don't like to encourage these types, but for some it is just fantasy.

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    Ok, just pointing out...even for a co-op...

    70% + for pay from most of you, who also see that 20% is the minimum for promotion if you are going to have majorly good traffic at the site...

    Since this thread has us being realistic cam site OWNERS as opposed to greedy dreaming camgirls, which we WANTED in the other thread...

    70% + 20% = 90% and we haven't touched on Hosting, the webmistress who keeps the site running, the managers, the Mods if we have them, retaining legal council so we avoid messy legal stuff...etc.Oh yeah, and 10% minimum for the two layers of payments..first the buying of "chips" and secondly paying those damn camgirls...someone has to do payroll and make sure there isn't errors and such..oh yeah, and we need an accountant...

    You sure 70%+?? Positive???

    Well we COULD just scimp on promotion and have no traffic..

    This rate also leaves NOTHING for those who put themselves out at the beginning to really make the site roll, and along comes Miss Streamate/MFC and she joins like in the 7th month, once we REALLY have it rolling and she gets paid 70% just like you who worked when there was NO traffic yet and stuff, are you all ok with that?

    I mean you should realize now as you think about this, why 65% is a BIG bar in this industry...since 20% plus expenses of 10% would leave 0% for profits for an owner...

    Thus why I said I do not see how SV can be viable if they continue to pay 80%...since they then MUST by necessity because of the merchant account for buying tokens and hosting, be spending quite a bit less for promotion than they should. What they DO have is the ability to fold the promotion insto what they do to promote the video section.

    Either, way, in this thread, try to think like the owners...How the hell can we pay these crazy bitches 70%+ and still be effective!? ESPECIALLY at the beginning when we have small traffic and not THAT many models??? Argh...we're screwed!! Get us out of it! What do we do???

    website ownership is FUN!

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    I know absolutely nothing about hosting etc, so my suggested percentages stem from that. I might be wrong, but most of us probably know very little about ALL the ins and outs of making a cam site, and we're just shouting out numbers that sound good to us from our points of view.

    SM can get away with paying, what, 35%? Girls still work the site. Why? Because the traffic is damn good, right? No Scrimping On Promotion B!
    If traffic is awesome and payout is fair, cam girls will promote the site anyways. Remember what Twitter was like when SV started? Every second tweet had "@SkinVideo" in it.

    I was talking this stuff over with my boyfriend, and the idea that came up was that most camgirls have day jobs or are going to school or doing things related to OTHER professions... there have to be a few in the bunch who are experienced with certain things we need to do to keep this site going.
    For example, I'm sure someone here is probably an accountant. I myself have accounting training and have experience processing payroll. HOWEVER... would it get messy having some girls "behind the scenes"? Maybe. What do you think? It might make things run much more smoothly, on the other hand, because it adds a different perspective to the vanilla job. A cam girl processing payments for the site is going to make damn sure that things are entered accurately, because she knows how horrible it is to be a cam girl waiting on that payment. Make sense?

    There should definitely be an incentive for those of us who sign up early, when the site is just starting. But what?
    Higher percentage? Easily suggested but maybe not the best idea from an owners point of view. At the startup of the site is when there's LESS money to be handed out, so higher percentages wouldn't be a good idea (from an owners pov).
    Set as the "featured" models or something? Like, on the home page of the site, BAM, check these girls out!! Curious guests are going to check out THOSE rooms first. This depends on what your home page layout looks like, though...
    What do other sites do for early sign ups? I've seen one give you a credit for like $25.

    If we think about all of the things that make the big sites work, and improve upon them... and all the things that other sites do wrong, and do them right... this'll be AWESOME.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bambalina View Post
    Thus why I said I do not see how SV can be viable if they continue to pay 80%...since they then MUST by necessity because of the merchant account for buying tokens and hosting, be spending quite a bit less for promotion than they should. What they DO have is the ability to fold the promotion insto what they do to promote the video section.

    Either, way, in this thread, try to think like the owners...How the hell can we pay these crazy bitches 70%+ and still be effective!? ESPECIALLY at the beginning when we have small traffic and not THAT many models??? Argh...we're screwed!! Get us out of it! What do we do???

    website ownership is FUN!

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    I honestly think way too many hosts (even you Bambalina *wink*) get too hung up on the percentages. The two very most important things for me are being able to mute guests who have no intention or ability to buy and steady quality traffic.

    If there was a site with traffic like Streamate, where I had guys who had valid credit and were ready to buy I would be MORE than happy with 50%!

    Ifriends was like that back in the day and it was awesome. I truly enjoyed camming then, had a blast every day. These days I do still enjoy it but some days the beggars are a real drag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissEgo View Post
    If we think about all of the things that make the big sites work, and improve upon them... and all the things that other sites do wrong, and do them right... this'll be AWESOME.
    This and pretty much everything else she said, especially about SV. If you build it, they will come...

    I can tell you right now that MFC isn't successful because they sink tons of money into advertising. Not at all. It's all word of mouth. Sure, they have banners and some pesky ads out their that pull the bait-and-switch tactic cam sites are fond of, but it mostly because if people like and have faith in something, they're going to talk about it.

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    Actually I've seen MFC everywhere. This was even before I signed up to work there. I just went to eros tonight because I'm trying to find a straight male strip club and I saw webcams there. I clicked on the link and it took me straight to MFC.

    Also after downloading split cam there is an ad there and I've been looking at that ad for the last 5 months. Another reason why I said hmm maybe I should give this a whirl.

    Also it's the name too. Anything that has "FREE" in the title will bring pretty much anyone.

    And let's not forgot how FREE EVERYTHING REALLY IS THERE. That's why a room that says 947 people will only have about 40 people that are premium members 200 that are basics and the rest are guests. Also out of those 40 premiums maybe only 10 have tokens to spend.

    They may not be spending alot on advertising because word of mouth is huge. I also think some sites are too complicated and get confusing especially when you have pop ups. MFC is really easy to navigate with the exception of looking for something specific. The only option I see is when someone is trying to narrow things down by continent which is not really that helpful at all. I think their method of using the cam score is to make sure that the top promoted girls retain the highest numbers in traffic.

    Also the term "MY" makes the guys feel like they've stumbled onto someone's dirty little secret. Whoever came up with the name of the site was genius.

    Ok I'm ok to go down to 65% from 70% . I would love to make 80% but yes I do understand what's the point of making 80% of 0? So 65% sounds reasonable.

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    Well yeah, I mentioned banners and ads, but I still don't think it costs diddly squat in proportion to what they're making and there's very few porn sites I visit where they make their presence glaringly known. They don't market "aggressively" like SM or LJ. It's annoying when every other video I click on generates a pop-up sign-up page for one of those sites or has stupid little scroll-ads at the bottom of the screen that imitate chat boxes that you can't close. I agree that the word FREE definitely cuts down on how much marketing they have to do. The site url says what it's all about. "SM and LJ? Eh huuuurrrr, what's that?" *closes pop-up* ^___^

    I found MFC via google because I got bored with cam4.

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    It is a complete difference in advertising strategy. MFC works for organic results and higher quality traffic banners and such MOSTLY, and LJ SM work for floods and inundating traffic no matter the quality.

    MFC cannot do that, since their bandwidth would take a huge hit if the brought in a MUCH higher proportion of freeloaders, since their site tends to support the freeloader better.

    Thus the Alexa numbers I posted way back...MUCH less bounce on MFC, much longer retention...HUGE bounce on SM, and very low retention, but HUGE numbers...

    Generally I think they each put out about 15% (SM and LJ may put out a few more percent, but not many)..But as has been pointed out, they are 5-8 years IN...in the first year, they probably BOTH put in at least 25%+ to promotion. In fact, SM and LJ may have TRULY weren't complete buttholes to pay 35% because they promoted with MOST of the rest of their money, for the first year or two they were working to bring in traffic. NOW however is a different story, since they bring in a million a week and so $250k per week is an INSANE budget for promo.

    But it is, overall, a SERIOUSLY bad idea to compare our site to WELL advanced big sites who have NOTHING in common with our start up now. I promise you, if you trust me in the least about what I know the MOST about in my life...They had a MUCH bigger percentage of their money eaten up when they started out, for promotion.

    Lastly, Spinnerette, love your posts...keep it up...and don't take this wrong..but the worst thing one can do in the promotion game..the very garlic/cross to the vampire fangs of advertising and promotion are the words "If you build it, they will come" and "We'll get word of mouth"...AHHHH! (Bambalina runs screaming, hissing and clawing at the air like a host of bees is attacking her)...MFC got word of mouth..BECAUSE they spent a huge amount to get like 2 million "mouths" aware they exist...then those 2 million saw a completely unique camsite and spread the word to 10 million more...We see the Phenomena that is Facebook and Twitter, and say Word of Mouth! and we are right, but we also neglect that both of those sites were HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of dollars in the hole, for promotion and advertising before they brought in ONE dime.

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    PS. I promise. None of this is meant to do ANYTHING but steer the conversation a bit...to focus us...This is NOT my site, but I have input and I want it generally to be treated as equal to anyone else's input...really...I just have certain first hand knowledge that comes in handy...so please...no-one ever feel stifled by me...k?

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    One last thing for now...

    One thing we have that other camsites don't...grace...a measure of slack...see, if this is a camgirl sitre, then presumably the camgirls involved as well as those who believe in it, will cut us some slack and help us grow it and promote it and make it happen. They may also believe (since we will be telling the truth) that the money paid out will be larger and larger as the income grows, and that at the beginning thy may want to work for 45% or 50% so we can get big fast. Since this ISN'T a for-profit enterprise in the normal sense, we CAN'T keep the money...it has to be re-invested..we CAN'T be SM greedy, so a trust can exist that as we roll up bigger numbers, the girls will benefit. In other words, in this site, there is no greasy haired pinky ring wearing fatcat to keep most of our money...it all goes back to US...and as long as the contracts and design are transparent, women will know exactly how this is working.

    THAT is our strength...not that we're making 70%+ from the outset, but that we can take less and make this thing blow up HUGE, so we can end up with 70+ of HUGE. With camgirls that are REALLY making $2000 minimum per week. To do that, we need to get to $50k per week as soon and fast as possible, because that gives us $10k per week for promotion, which is JUST ABOUT enough to truly start blowing the site up HUGE.

    A co-op CAN say, alright ladies, those who don;t believe in EVER working for "free" can take a week off...the rest, We're gonna give 100% of all earnings this week, and make a commercial and put it on TV in full rotation...NO OTHER CAMSITE...CAN..do that...because they aren't a co-op they are for profit... (not saying we'll ever do THAT..but pointing out in another way what a co-op's hugest competitive advantage is...and what ouyr BIGGEST strength is)...

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    Tee-hee. Sorry! I'm an optimist when it comes to things like that, but then all I'm promoting at is little ole' me. My daily mantra is show up...keep showing up...keep putting yourself out there...eventually the VERY right ones will take interest. ^__^ This isn't to say there isn't budgeting for my ad costs as well, but it's piddly squat in comparison to what start-up networks need.

    I read somewhere though that MFC started off as a live voyeur cam site though? Unisex. A voyeur cam site for college coeds. Then something clicked and very slowly they started making tweaks to their system until you see what it is today. Camscores, tipping, no man cams, Miss MFC, etc. That ugly duckling turned into a swan (and seems to be becoming one beast of an ugly swan now...). It wasn't getting any play until it slowly moved to hardcore sex chat. It's all about a niche these days.

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    When it FIRST went up it had HamsterCams and shit.....(Look at the parking lot outside my work Cam!)

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